David Von Pein

The biggest thing, though, that doesn't pass muster is the idea that Landis would NOT TELL ANYONE at Parkland that he was dropping a bullet onto a stretcher inside the hospital. It's ridiculous to think a SS agent would do that and not tell a single person what he had done. After all, Landis himself says he was worried about the bullet getting lost. And yet we're supposed to believe he just left it at the foot of JFK's stretcher and then just walked silently away? It's crazy that anyone could (or would) believe such a story.

While performing an online newspaper search for "Paul Landis, Secret Service" early this morning [September 11, 2023], I came across the 1983 newspaper article seen below, which contains an interesting passage that totally contradicts Landis' new 2023 claims. The '83 article says: "Landis said that when he got to the Kennedy limousine outside the hospital, the president had already been taken inside, but he helped Mrs. Kennedy out. He said there was a bullet fragment on the top of the back seat that he picked up and gave to somebody." So, in 1983, Mr. Landis was saying it was merely a "bullet fragment" that he picked up in the limo, which he "gave to somebody". But now, forty years later in 2023, it's a whole bullet (not just a fragment) which he didn't give to anyone but which he himself carried into the hospital and placed on JFK's stretcher. Looks like Mr. Landis' credibility issues just got a lot worse. Click to enlarge:

But Landis isn't talking about a WHOLE bullet there, Pat. He's talking only about a "fragment". Big difference. And now Landis is saying he saw a whole bullet PLUS two different fragments lying on the back seat. So that's three bullet items he's now claiming to have seen. Yeah, right.

Here's one more reason to doubt Paul Landis' new revelation: Landis seems to think that the bullet he says he found on the back of the Presidential limousine, which he does seem to believe was, indeed, Commission Exhibit 399, somehow rolled off of Kennedy's stretcher and onto John Connally's stretcher at some point prior to the time when Darrell Tomlinson found the bullet. But the timing of such a speculative "bullet-hopping" event just doesn't line up at all, as explained by author Vincent Bugliosi in the book excerpt pictured below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARLEN SPECTER -- "Is it possible that the stretcher that Mr. Kennedy was on was rolled with the sheets on it down into the area near the elevator?" MARGARET M. HENCHLIFFE (Parkland Hospital Nurse) -- "No, sir." MR. SPECTER -- "Are you sure of that?" MISS HENCHLIFFE -- "I am positive of that." [6 H 142] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://DVP's JFK Archives / 2012/09 / the-secret-service-and-ce399

Anyone who believes the new Paul Landis bombshell has no choice but to also believe that the following wholly unlikely and unbelievable scenario also occurred on the very same day of 11/22/63.... If Mr. Landis' bullet story is to be believed, we would then have to believe that the bullet he placed on JFK's stretcher was either never noticed by anyone else in the very busy Trauma Room No. 1, or the bullet was deliberately deep-sixed and disposed of, or the bullet was moved to yet another stretcher in the hospital (Governor Connally's). Not a single one of the above 3 choices is the slightest bit believable. A 4th choice would be: The bullet was accidentally lost (after, of course, it was never noticed by a single living soul in Trauma Room No. 1). Yet another unbelievable option.

Another rather incredible claim that ex-Secret Service agent Paul Landis is now making (via the Vanity Fair article) is his claim that he saw two "bullet fragments" lying on the back seat as well. Of course, as we all know, there were no bullet fragments recovered from the BACK seat. The two large bullet fragments (CE567 & CE569) were found in the FRONT seat of the limousine after the car was flown back to Washington. Some people (mostly CTers) can always claim, of course, that Agent Landis really did see a couple of bullet fragments lying on the back seat on Nov. 22, but the Bucket Brigade (clean-up crew) scooped those fragments up when they (allegedly) washed out the back of the limo at Parkland. Bottom Line regarding Mr. Paul Landis (IMO): It's absolutely ridiculous and wholly unbelievable to think that a member of the United States Secret Service, right after discovering and moving a piece of very important evidence connected directly to the shooting of a U.S. President, wouldn't have mentioned to anyone on the very day it happened the fact that he found a whole bullet right there in the same car where JFK was murdered. Landis' explanation for why he never uttered a word to anyone else about his bullet discovery (via the Vanity Fair article) is this: "The special agent simply never gave the bullet a second thought, he says. He had left it where someone would find it." The above reasoning which has Landis just assuming that somebody in the Parkland Hospital emergency room would notice the bullet after he placed it on JFK's stretcher is, in my opinion, just not a believable excuse at all for not saying a word to anyone about his discovery, especially since Landis also readily admits in that same Vanity Fair article that "he believed it was crucial evidence and needed for the autopsy". So, Agent Landis supposedly finds a bullet, doesn't maintain possession of it, but then decides to not tell another living soul in the hospital about his discovery after he leaves that bullet lying on President Kennedy's stretcher?! That's just laughable and idiotic. And, of course, not the slightest bit believable. Landis also says (again via the Vanity Fair article) that in later years he thought of his bullet discovery as merely "a minor detail". That's a fairly large "minor detail", if you ask me. And nobody can possibly use the fact that Mr. Landis, in later years, suffered from PTSD, which is, indeed, unfortunate for him. But any PTSD that was suffered by Mr. Landis certainly can't explain his lack of communicating with someone (anyone!) the fact he had found (and moved) a bullet on November 22, 1963.

Yes, it is a bit confusing. One of the blurbs on Landis' Amazon book page specifically says this: "Landis learns about the raging conspiracy theories—and realizes where they all go wrong." He surely isn't totally ignorant of the fact that JFK also had a wound in his throat. Or is he? ~shrug~

Oh yeah, Vince, I've known for some time now that Clint Hill isn't a big fan of the SBT. I think I could convince him though. If he would just take a good look at all the stuff I present here and here, I think I'd have a chance at turning Clint into an SBT believer.

Paul Landis, following his new "revelation", really doesn't have much of a choice but to have doubts about Oswald acting alone. Because if what Landis theorizes is true (i.e., the back-wound bullet to Kennedy ended up on the top of the back seat after JFK was thrown to the rear at the time of the head shot), then that would almost certainly have to mean that a second assassin shot Kennedy in the throat with a frontal shot. (Unless Mr. Landis wants to theorize that it wasn't a BULLET at all that caused JFK's throat wound, but instead it was a fragment from the head shot that did the throat damage, with that damage giving the false appearance of a bullet hole to Dr. Perry.) ~shrug~ But with each additional theory comes even more questions and problems. Such as: If a single bullet didn't wound both JFK and Connally....and if the bullet that Landis allegedly found was, indeed, CE399 (which I think Landis says he believes is the case)....then what the heck happened to the bullet (or bullets) that hit Governor Connally?! With the Single-Bullet Theory in place, of course, we don't need to ask the question I just posed above. There are no "missing bullets" with the SBT. But with the LBT (Landis Bullet Theory) in the mix of possible scenarios now, this question will always be hanging out there, never to be satifactorily answered by any conspiracy theorist: Where did the bullet go that struck John Connally and ended up making a shallow wound in his left thigh? CTers can, of course, always resort to the theory that has a fragment from the JFK head shot creating the superficial wound in Connally's leg. But that still won't answer the question of: What happened to the bullet that hit Connally? For conspiracy advocates, it always seems to be: So many wounds .... So few bullets.

Yes, I have the interview with the Newmans (below). But Gayle's interview certainly doesn't destroy the SBT. It's a case of her merely not being aware of the subtle and very quick INITIAL involuntary reactions that were being exhibited by John Connally. I wouldn't have expected anyone watching the motorcade that day to notice all of these things that occurred to Governor Connally in a matter of a few milliseconds in real time.

Yes, indeed so. I, myself, find it nearly impossible to believe Mr. Landis' story about finding a bullet "resting on the top of the back of the seat" (which is a quote from the 9/9/2023 Vanity Fair article by James Robenalt. How on Earth could a whole bullet have managed to have been located in that odd position on 11/22/63? "Resting on the top of the back of the seat"? Without Clint Hill ever noticing it or disturbing it, even though Hill was clinging to the back of the car all the way to Parkland? Highly doubtful. And even more importantly, why wouldn't Agent Landis have told someone else in authority (anyone else!) that he had picked up a bullet and moved it to President Kennedy's stretcher? It makes no sense whatsoever for Landis to have remained totally silent about finding (and moving) such a bullet in the limo on November 22. Did Mr. Landis think that the details about where and how the bullet was first found weren't important details at all, and therefore he felt he didn't even need to tell the Chief of the Secret Service or the FBI or anybody in Trauma Room No. 1 at Parkland about his discovery at all? Such a mindset and behavior for a Secret Service agent is utterly ridiculous---and most certainly unbelievable. Plus.... If Mr. Landis' bullet story is to be believed, we would then have to believe that the bullet he placed on JFK's stretcher was either never noticed by anyone else in the very busy Trauma Room No. 1, or the bullet was deliberately deep-sixed and disposed of, or the bullet was moved to yet another stretcher in the hospital (Governor Connally's). Each of the above choices, in my opinion, also resides in the category marked "unbelievable".

Below is a portion of what Special Agent Paul Landis said in this extremely detailed Secret Service report that he wrote in late November 1963. Here's what Landis said he found "on the back seat" of the Presidential limo at Parkland: "By this time someone was lifting the President's body out of the right side of the car. Agent Hill helped Mrs. Kennedy out of the car, and I followed. Mrs. Kennedy's purse and hat and a cigarette lighter were on the back seat. I picked these three items up as I walked through the car and followed Mrs. Kennedy into the hospital." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2023/06/paul-landis.html

"The 'bracketing' of when the SBT bullet struck the two victims in the limousine, in fact, only further makes me think more highly of the Warren Commission and its detailed study of the assassination. The WC and FBI did very detailed angle measurements in May '64, via a surveyor and "thru-the-Oswald-rifle-scope" determinations from the Sniper's Nest. And it was determined (as best as could be determined, circa 1964) that both victims were generally lined up in the limo to receive the "SBT" bullet from approx. Z210 through approx. Z225. Conspiracy theorists scoff at this "bracketing", saying it can't be right. But those CTers are attempting to place an EXACTITUDE on the event that can't really be placed there. Some things MUST be estimated to a degree....and the WC did that. And did a damn good job at it too. Because "Z210-Z225" certainly encompasses the now-widely-accepted SBT Z-Frame of Z224 (a frame I fully endorse for many, many reasons). In other words, the WC got it perfectly correct DECADES prior to the digital Z-Film copies fully backing up their findings of a SBT hit somewhere between Z210 and Z225. So what's the big gripe, is my question? The Warren Commission GOT IT RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Conspiracists just don't wish to accept the Occam's-like SBT scenario of one bullet transiting both victims. Instead, conspiracy advocates would rather rely on pure guesswork, involving multiple disappearing bullets and an SBT-like alignment of wounds on two men (created by two or three gunmen!) that would make David Copperfield proud." -- DVP; April 8, 2007 ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#Single-Bullet-Theory -----------------------------------------------------------------

DVP NOTE --- To fill in a gap regarding John Connally, whose remarks were not heard in the above video, here's a newspaper clipping explaining just what it was that Connally forgot on 11/22/71:

1955 film....

http://classic--movies.blogspot.com/2011/07/seven-days-in-may.html

Wish I did. But I don't.

http://jfk-press-conferences.blogspot.com/2012/06/press-conference-16-august-30-1961.html

Checked.....and mine is A-OK. Thanks for the reminder.

IMO, though, the JFK case has already been "untangled". It was untangled (for the most part) way back in 1964 when the Warren Commission first investigated the case. (I.E., the evidence clearly points to Oswald as the lone assassin.) Naturally, all of the conspiracy theorists think I'm totally nuts for uttering such a statement about the WC and Oswald. But that's how I feel about it nonetheless, and there's been nothing coming from the "Conspiracy" camp that has even remotely nudged me into changing my opinion about that.

Because it's so much fun seeing the CTers here at this forum go into their Denial Mode whenever the subject of the SBT comes up. How the CTers of this planet manage to sidestep the logic of the SBT is beyond my capacity to understand. But nearly 100% of them have been doing it now for pert-near sixty years. Very strange indeed. Funny you should ask about that. It's an interesting story indeed..... As a young lad collecting Topps Baseball Cards in eastern Indiana in the year 1972, I was approached one day by a man who introduced himself as a Mr. Arlen Specter. I didn't know at that time who he was, but he asked me to sit down with him in front of the Kresge's store in Richmond's Gateway Shopping Center and he then proceeded to tell me a fascinating story. It was all about this "theory" he had concerning some kind of a "Bullet" that supposedly went through two different gunshot victims during an attempted murder somewhere in the state of....uh....Texas, I think it was. Mr. Specter then told me to "spread the word" far and wide about this "SBT" nonsense. He said that something he called "The Internet" was going to be in everybody's home in about 20 or 25 more years, and when I grew up, he wanted me (of all people) to start up all kinds of "blogs" (whatever the hell those are) (????). And he wanted these "blog" things to all focus attention on JFK and this "SBT" thing he kept yammering about. I didn't know what to think. Frankly, this Specter guy sounded like a nut. But he brainwashed me thoroughly (of course), so what could I do? I had no choice but to do as he said. And so, 35 years later, in August of 2007, I started my career as an Official JFK Assassination Disinformation Agent.* * I had also spent the previous four years [2003-2007] as an ADA (Apprentice Disinfo Agent), mainly at Debra Conway's JFK Lancer forum. It's not a very fun job (~sigh~), but I can't complain about the salary. (Plus the regular checks from the Arlen Specter Disinfo Estate keep coming in every month too. So that's another perk.)

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