David Von Pein

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Gee, lookie here! Another unanswerable question. But maybe John "Multiple Oswalds" Armstrong knows the answer. Go ask him.

Is there some reason anybody should care about this? ~shrug~

Don't know. But we know that Oswald left his roominghouse zipping up a jacket, but he didn't have that jacket on when he was seen about 35 minutes later lurking in the entrance to Johnny Brewer's shoe store. And the jacket was found along the route that was taken by J.D. Tippit's killer. The math isn't too hard to figure out here, is it?

It was probably J.D. Tippit's wallet. More in this 3-part series: JFK-Archives / Wallets

You're being silly, Robert P. There's no lie in that Robert Frazier WC passage. None whatsoever.

This question also falls under the heading of "unanswerable" (since J.D. Tippit would be the only person who could possibly answer this question, and he was killed by Oswald). But it is an interesting question nonetheless. And I think the probable answer is: Officer J.D. Tippit, for some reason, was somewhat suspicious of Oswald's movements. And Tippit had certainly heard the radio broadcast about the description of JFK's assassin....and in a general way, Oswald matched that description (slender white male; 5-feet-10, 165 pounds). I don't think there's any reason whatsoever to think that Oswald was stopped by Tippit for any reason other than the one I just suggested.

Robert Frazier didn't lie at all. That's just your interpretation of his testimony, Robert. And nothing more than that. Which is always the case with the conspiracy-happy crowd. I'm accustomed to it.

Once more--unanswerable. (I'm detecting a pattern here, folks.)

~sigh~ Once again--unanswerable. How the heck am I supposed to answer these unknowable questions, Bill? How can anybody possibly answer them? How?

Bill, you probably should change the title of this list of questions, because the current title of "50 Questions that Can and Should be Answered" is certainly not accurate when it comes to many of the unanswerable questions you've been asking so far -- such as this 40th entry. Your thread title suggests that this question "can" be answered. Well, it cannot be answered. Nobody knows the answer to it, and it's very likely that nobody will ever know the answer to it. But when this topic about the police car stopping in front of the Beckley roominghouse comes up, I always like to mention this fact (copied from an earlier Internet post I made on the subject): "With respect to the horn-honking police car --- it must be kept in mind that Mrs. Roberts testified that it was not unusual at all for a police car to stop in front of the roominghouse and toot its horn. It happened on multiple OTHER days, according to Roberts. So even if such an occurrence DID take place on November 22nd, it could be looked upon as a NORMAL occurrence, not an ABNORMAL or unusual one. Or do some conspiracy theorists think that the Dallas Police were so shrewd in their advanced planning of the so-called "Frame-Up" of Lee Harvey Oswald that they had a police car stop in front of 1026 N. Beckley Avenue every so often in the weeks and/or months BEFORE the assassination, just so the car could honk its horn in front of the house...in order to make it look like an ordinary occurrence? I'd like to know how the conspiracy theorists who think that a police car was "signalling" to Oswald on November 22 can possibly explain away the very same kind of horn-honking which took place at that exact same residence on multiple OTHER days when Presidents WEREN'T being murdered? When we look at the horn-honking topic from that point-of-view, it makes any 11/22 horn-honking incident seem much less sinister. And if it WAS "sinister", then it's an awfully strange coincidence that the horn was honked ("tip-tip", says Roberts) in the exact same manner in which it was honked by other policemen on OTHER days prior to November 22nd. Wouldn't you agree?" -- DVP; April 17, 2008 http://www.amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/Tx498EODPNIRZ8/6/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0393045250&cdMsgID=Mx3F0CDCD54RLLR&cdMsgNo=148&cdSort=oldest#Mx3F0CDCD54RLLR

I touched on this topic in answering Question #33. It was very likely Howard L. Brennan who provided the description broadcast on the DPD radio at 12:45. But even if it wasn't--so what? In fact, I've always kind of liked the idea that maybe it WASN'T Brennan who was responsible for that APB broadcast. Because in that case, as I mentioned before in Question 33, it means that there was yet another (unidentified) person in Dealey Plaza who described the sixth-floor TSBD assassin virtually the same way that Howard Brennan did. Here's the verbatim words that were broadcast over the Dallas Police radio at 12:45 PM CST on November 22, 1963, just fifteen minutes after President Kennedy was shot: "Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, 5 feet 10 inches tall, 165 pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45." Let's compare that description with what Howard Brennan wrote in his 11/22/63 affidavit: "He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds." Notice any similarities? Of course, the part about the suspect being armed with a "30-30 rifle" probably didn't come from Brennan, because Brennan didn't know guns at all. So that part of the 12:45 DPD broadcast must have come from a different source entirely. But the description of the assassin is identical to the way Brennan himself described the assassin just a short time later on November 22nd in his Sheriff's Department affidavit.

The answer to the first part of your question is, of course, another unknowable. Who knows why Oswald offered to give up the cab? Nobody can know. But, after all, Oswald WAS right there at the Greyhound taxi stand. And there were bound to be more taxis coming and going from that taxi stand in a very short time. And, in fact, we know that another cab pulled up right behind William Whaley's cab when the lady stuck her head in the window. As to why Oswald took the cab three blocks beyond his roominghouse (it wasn't five blocks beyond, because Oswald was dropped off at the corner of Beckley & Neely, which is the 700 block of Beckley), I think the answer to that is two-fold: He didn't want cab driver Whaley to be able to tell anybody later exactly where he lived. And, probably of more critical importance to Oswald at the time, he wanted to check the area of his roominghouse for police activity. Oswald would have had no way of knowing how quickly the police would be on his trail, and he certainly didn't want to walk right into the arms of a waiting policeman on his Beckley doorstep. Yes, it's true that Oswald wouldn't have to have driven three whole blocks beyond his room in order to see if some police were at 1026 N. Beckley, but he might have been thinking that anybody who wanted to surprise the Presidential assassin probably wouldn't be advertising himself by parking his marked police car right in front of 1026 Beckley. Therefore, he wanted to "case" the neighborhood a few blocks away from his room. (IMO, that's what he did.) I'll once again reverse the tables regarding this question: If Lee Oswald didn't have anything to hide and wasn't worried about being picked up by the authorities on 11/22/63, then why indeed did he tell William Whaley to drive a few blocks beyond his roominghouse that day? In the final analysis, doesn't this type of strange behavior on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald on the day the President was shot from Oswald's own workplace lead much more toward Oswald's GUILT than it does his INNOCENCE?

I think the answers to these questions are obvious, Bill. Basic common sense and logic provide the best answers: After having just shot the President from his workplace, Oswald certainly wasn't going to just hang around the Depository's front stoop and shoot the breeze with Wes Frazier, Bill Shelley, and Billy Lovelady. Oswald naturally wanted to get the heck out of Dodge as quickly as he could, and since he had no car to take him anywhere, he utilized his own two feet to walk several blocks east of the murder scene, in order to quickly put as much distance between himself and the Depository as he possibly could. And the fact that he boarded a Marsalis Street bus instead of waiting to board his usual Beckley bus is a real good indication that November 22nd wasn't just an ordinary day for Lee Harvey Oswald. He got on Cecil McWatters' Marsalis bus because it was very likely the first bus he saw as he walked east on Elm Street that day. And he probably wanted to get off the street as soon as he could too. So he hopped on the first bus to come along (which was, of course, travelling back toward the Depository; but there's no other direction McWatters' bus COULD be travelling, because Elm Street was a one-way street going west; so Oswald had no choice of directions at that point, if he chose to board a vehicle on Elm, which he did). And the fact that the bus was moving toward the scene of the shooting was probably not a big deal to Oswald at that time. After all, how likely would it be that the police would be stopping and searching every bus and car and cab that was travelling down Elm Street? Not very likely. So Oswald felt safe aboard that bus, even though he knew it would have to pass right through Dealey Plaza (if the traffic jam hadn't impeded its progress). Now, let me reverse the tables for just a moment here and ask you these questions: If Lee Oswald had been the totally innocent patsy that so many conspiracy proponents truly believe he was (i.e., he shot nobody on 11/22/63 and was completely unaware of the assassination plot that swirled all around him, which is indeed the type of "innocence" that some CTers advocate for Mr. Oswald--with one of those CTers being veteran Internet forum participant J. Raymond Carroll)....then how can Oswald's actions right after the assassination be explained away? Why does he do such out-of-the-ordinary things on November 21st and 22nd if, as J. Raymond Carroll and a few others believe, he was a complete and total unwitting patsy/fall guy? How can a conspiracy theorist like Carroll possibly explain Oswald's unusual Thursday trip to Irving to get those nonexistent "curtain rods"? And the large package that LHO took to work with him on November 22nd? How is Oswald's brown paper package conveniently and "innocently" explained away by the conspiracy theorists (particularly when we KNOW that Oswald told a lie to Buell Wesley Frazier about that package containing curtain rods)? And what about Oswald leaving the TSBD building within just a few minutes of the assassination? Why did he do that if he's totally snow-white innocent? And, as you asked, what about the fact Oswald walked several blocks east on Elm right after the shooting took place? Why wouldn't he have just stayed there at the corner of Elm & Houston (at the bus stop on that corner) and waited for his usual Beckley bus to pick him up? Why walk further AWAY from his Oak Cliff destination? And, indeed, as you also asked, why would he get on the WRONG BUS if he wasn't in a big hurry to get off the streets of Dallas? Why would he do that if he had done nothing he wanted to run away from that day? More food for "Patsy Oswald" thought, don't you think?

And I never said you did say it. I was quoting Robert P. there, not you. (Sorry, I left off the name in the "Quote" block.) Again....what's your point? You think Oswald never left the TSBD shortly after the shooting? Maybe he's still in the building now, helping out Gary Mack at the Museum. This whole topic about pics of LHO leaving is meaningless, since everybody knows that Oswald DID leave the building shortly after 12:30. Even CTers don't deny that fact.

So, Bob P., you must think Commission Exhibit No. 1 (in Oswald's own Russian handwriting) is a fake too, right? You DO realize that CE1 pretty much seals the deal on Oswald's guilt in the Walker shooting, don't you? Or maybe you think Oswald wrote this detailed list of "What To Do If I'm Arrested" instructions for Marina because he planned to steal a loaf of bread and a Dr. Pepper from the Piggly-Wiggly on the corner?

Yeah, right. Tell that to Robin Unger, who has amassed this huge collection of Dealey Plaza photos: http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com And I've got dozens and dozens of 11/22 Dealey photos in my Kennedy Gallery too: http://Kennedy-Photos.blogspot.com Now, tell me again how few pictures exist of the assassination aftermath.

As I said Bill -- Then why don't we have films of MacNeil & Allman too? They were RIGHT THERE by the TSBD too. Where are they in the various films & photos? You're cherry-picking. And you know that Oswald did leave the building shortly after the shooting. So what's your point? What are you trying to prove? Are you implying that Oswald really wasn't Oswald and never left the building shortly after 12:30??

Why do you say "as there should be"? Why do you think a photo or film MUST exist of Oswald exiting the building? Quite obviously, you're wrong when you say "as there should be"....and here's the logical reason why you're wrong about that.... Since you think Oswald should definitely have been photographed if he left the TSBD at about 12:33 PM on November 22, then that certainly must mean you also think that both Robert MacNeil and Pierce Allman should have been photographed as they entered the building that day too (and as they each possibly encountered and spoke to Lee Harvey Oswald on their way into the building). But as far as I know, no photo or film exists showing either MacNeil or Allman near the entrance of the Depository at about 12:33 or 12:34 PM. And we KNOW for a fact that both of those reporters did enter the building at about that time through the front entrance. And there are no doubt many other witnesses who were near the TSBD on Nov. 22 shortly after the shooting who were not captured in photos or films taken that day either. Plus, your argument goes nowhere (really fast) when we approach it from another angle too: Even without having Oswald on film as he departed the Depository, we KNOW he definitely DID leave the building very shortly after the shots were fired at the President. You surely don't deny that the following two facts are 100% true, do you Bill?.... 1.) Lee Oswald was INSIDE the Book Depository Building at about 12:31 to 12:32 PM when he encountered Marrion Baker and Roy Truly on the second floor. 2.) Lee Oswald hurriedly entered his roominghouse on Beckley Avenue at about 1:00 PM. (Earlene Roberts confirms this fact.) And since Oswald was not capable of flying the 2+-mile distance between the Depository and 1026 N. Beckley in Oak Cliff, then he obviously utilized some means of transportation to get to his roominghouse within roughly 28 minutes of encountering Baker in the TSBD. Ergo, Oswald had to have departed the Depository very shortly after 12:32 PM. Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, why did you even bother to ask Question #36 above? Just to pad your count of useless and meaningless inquiries? It would seem that's the case here.

Yet another unanswerable question. Nobody knows who the Rambler Man is. But there's one person we know it wasn't. Can you guess who that is?

The only gunman was Oswald (of course). Not EVERY single witness report was correct. You surely can appreciate that fact, can't you? How many assassins with rifles do you think were firing at JFK from the Depository anyway? Two? Three? More? Somebody got in a Rambler at about 12:40 PM, yes. But it wasn't Oswald. He was getting on McWatters' bus at about that same moment. And the bus transfer ticket proves it. (Don't tell me THAT was planted on Oswald too?)

That's not a bad question, Bill. And I do not have the answer to that question. And I, too, have pondered that same thing myself. But the fact remains that an APB bulletin was definitely put out on the DPD radio at 12:45 PM concerning the description of the TSBD sniper. There's no doubt that such an APB was broadcast on the DPD radio at 12:45 PM. And even if that description of the sniper didn't come from Howard Brennan, who we know saw a gunman in the sixth-floor window, then it would mean that yet ANOTHER witness saw pretty much the same thing that Brennan did -- i.e., a slender white gunman in the TSBD who was about 5-10 in height and weighed about 165 pounds. That description matches Brennan's 11/22 affidavit too--don't forget that. So, I can't see how you can create anything sinister or conspiratorial out of this topic at all. Because you can't just IGNORE the fact that several witnesses DID see a gunman and/or a rifle in the sixth-floor window when the assassination was occurring. So, despite any delay in finding the Sniper's Nest, those witnesses still DO exist and they saw what they saw. But for some reason, the word didn't spread to the investigating officers (such as Mooney) who were searching inside the Depository. ~shrug~

You didn't "prove" SA Robert A. Frazier lied about anything. Frazier said that some people refer to COPPER-jacketed bullets as STEEL-jacketed ones. Big deal. So what? Where's the lie there? You cannot prove CE573 is a plant and you know it. So stop pretending it's a proven fact that CE573 is not the Walker bullet. Plus, we don't really even NEED the Walker bullet to show that Oswald shot at Walker. We've got Oswald's OWN notebook and pictures of Walker's backyard, etc., plus Marina's testimony where she says Oswald told her "I just shot Walker". Now, try to dismantle ALL of that stuff. I'm sure you'll try to dismantle it, in order to pretend Oswald is innocent of yet another 1963 murder attempt, but you will fail miserably, just as you've done with CE573. And, again, if CE573 were REALLY a planted item of evidence, then that bullet would have enough markings and striations left on it to PROVE it came out of Oswald's rifle--and it doesn't have enough markings to do that. So your bullet-planters were sure a bunch of boobs, weren't they? They plant this bullet to convince the world that Patsy Oswald shot at General Walker....and what's the end result? The bullet can't even be conclusively linked to the patsy's gun! Stupid idiot plotters! All of 'em!

Stop trying to hijack every thread you participate in, Bob. (Sound familiar?)

Better question --- If you had just seen the President murdered by rifle fire and if you had truly thought the killer was located on the Grassy Knoll, would you have any desire to run directly toward the source of the gunfire? IMO, that's nuts. I'd be wanting to run in the OPPOSITE direction--AWAY from the assassin--not run right into his arms. Most of the witnesses who ran up the Knoll probably didn't know exactly where the shooter was located, and they just followed the crowd. Yes, Jean Hill would be an exception there, because she WAS, indeed, crazy enough to want to chase the gunman up the Knoll after thinking the shots had just come from the place she was running toward. And she admitted in a radio interview that she "didn't have any better sense, because I started running up there too". But more than half of the witnesses thought the only shots they heard came from the TSBD. IMO, the sound played tricks on the "Knoll" witnesses' ears. The sounds of Oswald's TSBD shots were such that many witnesses thought those shots came from a point further WEST than they actually originated. Call me a silly little "WC defender" (like Tony Marsh constantly does), but that's my opinion nonetheless. In fact, given the overall weight of the evidence that convinces me that there was no Grassy Knoll shooter at all, that opinion I just gave HAS to be my opinion about this matter. How could I possibly buy any other explanation?