David Von Pein
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16 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
IMHO, separate bullets struck JFK and JBC.
I'll humbly choose to disagree.
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http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / The SBT In Action
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Some posit (including DVP) that after being shot through the chest, JBC turns around and looks over his right shoulder for JFK.
Virtually ALL lone-assassin supporters posit that very thing, including the Warren Commission. And that's because Connally has obviously been shot by the time he completely turns around to stare into JFK's face. Only selected CTers believe otherwise.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-887.html
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1 hour ago, Allen Lowe said:
I think Von Pein did it and is trying to pawn it off on Oswald. What Dave's alibi? He actually has more motive, trying to cover it up for so many years.
Can I expect to see seven FBI agents at my door any minute with a warrant for my arrest?
And then there's that bombshell book I can look forward to seeing on the newsstands later this year --- "Colonel Sanders, DVP, And The Murder Of JFK: From Kentucky, To Indiana, To A Tragedy In Texas" [Simon & Schuster; Hardcover; 788 pages; $24.95 USD].
(Yes, I think you'd better try to work The Colonel into your plot too, Allen. It'll be much better for your book sales. Because I don't have any name recognition.)
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4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
What doesn't seem reasonable to me is for a large number of squad cars to respond when so little was known at the time.
You and I argued about that very thing at this forum seven years ago. The reasonable (and obvious) answer is the same now as it was then....
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
Police cars swarmed in as though they had a positive identification on Oswald, when all they really had was a report of suspicious activity by some guy.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
A policeman had just been gunned down in the general area of the theater in Oak Cliff, and the police get a call very shortly after that shooting from a citizen who told them that a person in the theater (who generally matches the description of Officer Tippit's killer) is "running from them for some reason" and is also ducking the sirens....
And you think the police should have dispatched just--what?--one patrol car to investigate?
That's funny, Sandy.
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
The movie theater is a mile from where Tippit was shot. Not exactly nearby.
Nevertheless....
I would expect the police to send two squad cars with four officers to check it out. One car for out front and the other for out back.
Certainly NOT 15 squad cars and 26 officers! How ridiculous!
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
So, Sandy, are you actually suggesting that those "26 officers" were part of some plot to frame Oswald as of 1:45 PM CST on November 22nd? Is that what you're saying?
To use your own words --- How ridiculous!
IMO / FWIW....
The Dallas Police Department, of course, was certainly not privy to any advanced information as to the whereabouts of Lee Harvey Oswald in the Texas Theater on November 22, 1963. That notion is a tremendously ludicrous one, in my view.
But as far as the mindset of the Dallas Police at the time when many police cars were dispatched to the Texas Theater in Oak Cliff on that Friday in 1963, I think it's quite likely that many of those police officers did make a possible connection in their minds (even if they didn't want to admit it later on) between President Kennedy's assassination and the murder of the policeman.
After all, the police knew the President had been shot just 45 minutes before a police officer was also shot and killed. And the two shootings occurred just a few miles apart. And the DPD also knew that the description they had of the suspect in the Presidential shooting was "similar" to the description they had of the suspect who had just shot the policeman. Here's one of the radio transmissions that was made over the DPD radio system at 1:28 PM Dallas time on November 22:
Dispatcher -- "Notify 1 that officer involved in this shooting, Officer J.D. Tippit, we believe, was pronounced DOA at Methodist. 1:28 p.m."
Deputy Chief of Police N.T. Fisher -- "Is there any indication that it has any connection with this other shooting?"
Dispatcher -- "Well, the descriptions on the suspect are similar and it is possible."
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Given these circumstances, Sandy, what would YOU have done if you had been the Dallas Police Department's dispatcher on 11/22/63?More....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2016/02/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1106.html -
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/08/earlene-roberts.html
Linked above: my collection of Earlene Roberts interviews and her one movie appearance (in David Wolper's "Four Days In November", the best JFKA film ever produced).*
* IMHO.
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2 hours ago, Bill Brown said:
"Oswald was arrested at the Texas Theater on suspicion he did not pay for a ticket."
Only a person completely unfamiliar with the events surrounding Tippit's death and the Dallas Police Department's frantic search for the killer would make a comment like this one above.
You're ohhhhhhh so right here, Bill.
I get so tired of hearing CTers confront me with that tired old canard/myth/red herring, in which the CTer is trying to tell me that the ONLY reason the police went to the Texas Theater on November 22nd was because somebody didn't pay for a theater ticket. I just want to strangle the person who has the gall to say that to me (such as the CTer I was talking to in 2016 at the link below):
DVP's JFK Archives / The Real Reason The Cops Swarmed The Texas Theater On 11-22-63
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After the Earlene / Earline thing is settled, maybe we can move on to the other witness whose name is often misspelled --- Acquilla Clemons (Clemmons).
I defer to Dale Myers on the Clemons/Clemmons debate. And as of his circa 2017 blog posts, Dale has apparently confirmed that Acquilla's name has just one M, not two.
The odd part about the Clemons thing, though, is that Myers in past years thought her name was spelled CLEMMONS, with two Ms, because he spells it that way dozens of times in his original 1998 version of his book "With Malice". But now he's switched to CLEMONS. He must have been able to somehow verify the One-M variation.
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4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
But if any buyer said, "I want to go cash-and-carry," then I did that.
Yeah, but buying a rifle is a little different than purchasing a table lamp.
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Here's Mrs. Roberts' original hand-signed affidavit. She signed it EARLENE. This was sent to me by Paul Hoch via e-mail. (Thanks, Paul.) ....
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=233488#relPageId=17
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BTW.....Mrs. Roberts calls the garment a "JACKET" multiple times in her Dec. '63 affidavit. She never says "COAT" there.
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1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:
(Another reference thanks to Steve Roe) On Nov 27, 1963, her sister Bertha Cheek, spells her sister's name "Earline" for the FBI, https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=346
Here's my guess....
Earlene's sister just didn't know how to spell her sister's first name. Because it would seem the only time we find "EARLINE" in the record is when it's coming directly from sister Bertha as the source (e.g., death certificate, that Nov. 27th document you just posted above, and (likely) the newspaper obit. too).
What we need to find is the original version of Roberts' Dec. 5, 1963, affidavit (which would have her actual signature on it). But if we can trust the WC at 7 H 439, she DID spell it with an E, not an I, on her affidavit.
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And to add more confusion to the "EARLENE / EARLINE" mix....
Check out the following link, which has BOTH spellings of her name presented. It says "EARLINE" on her death certificate. But it would seem (per the site below and the signed affidavit I presented earlier) that she herself might have gone by "EARLENE". ~shrug~
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28123630/earlene-doke-roberts
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57 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:
In light of Bill Brown bringing to attention that the census references to "Earline Roberts" have children which (if correct) cannot be "our" Earlene Roberts, I am going to continue to use "Earlene"...
According to the typewritten version of her 12/5/63 affidavit (at 7 H 439), Mrs. Roberts physically SIGNED that document using the spelling of "EARLENE".
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FYI.....
Google Books is a fine resource for many complete copies of books and magazines, such as very old LIFE Magazine issues. But Google Books doesn't have anything online for LIFE Magazine newer than the year 1972.
Oldest LIFE edition (August 17, 1953) --- Click Here.
Newest LIFE edition (December 29, 1972) -- Click Here.
And (if you're interested)....I have a page on one of my JFK websites featuring 46 LIFE Magazine issues focusing on JFK and the Kennedy family (and I've also saved a bunch of the cool full-page advertisements that LIFE used to run in their issues in the '50s and '60s)....
http://DVP's JFK Archives / Life With John F. Kennedy
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22 minutes ago, Micah Mileto said:
Do you have November 1983 Life Magazine?
No, but if you've got 50 bucks to spare, you can buy a copy....
https://www.originallifemagazines.com/product/life-magazine-november-1983/
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48 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:
David no, moving the blue jacket to the TSBD to be found at the TSBD 3-1/2 weeks later on Dec 16, had no motive to incriminate Oswald in that. .... Rather it was the opposite: NOT moving out of the Texas Theatre a jacket if it verifiably turned out to be Oswald's would powerfully function to EXCULPATE Oswald.
Huh? I'm not understanding you here. Was the moving of the jacket to the TSBD (per your theory, that is) an effort by the cops to make Oswald look guiltier or make him look less guilty? You seem to be advocating both of those positions in the two sentences I just quoted above.
~shrug~
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56 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:
when he could have easily and much more quickly bought a rifle at any number of gun stores in the area and without needing to sign any paperwork for it, etc.?
That myth hasn't died yet either, eh? Too bad.
It's highly doubtful that Oswald could have made a completely "anonymous" gun purchase in Texas in 1963. That is very likely another myth created by CTers who are in love with Oliver Stone's version of events.
There are records even in this case (the JFK case) which indicate that some gun store owners in Texas definitely kept records of who was buying guns from them. Perhaps not ALL gun store owners kept such records in '63, but several definitely did, as Jean Davison's research clearly proves at the links HERE and HERE. -
Thank you, Greg, for your last detailed post concerning your beliefs pertaining to Oswald's jackets. I can see that you've put a lot of time into creating that large 117-page report/essay on the jackets.
You're 100% wrong regarding the Jacket Charade (in my opinion), but your diligent effort to try and clear up any confusion concerning the jackets is certainly duly noted by yours truly.
Earlene Roberts, by the way, doesn't always refer to Oswald's outer garment as a "coat" (although, yes, she certainly did on Nov. 22 during her KLIF interview). But during her Warren Commission testimony, she referred to LHO's garment as a "jacket" as well.
And in case you're keeping a Jacket Scorecard, the official tally I came up with after looking through Mrs. Roberts' whole WC session is:
"Jacket" --- 5 references.
"Coat" --- 2 references.
In any event, regardless of which word Mrs. Roberts chose to use to describe the outer garment that Lee Harvey Oswald was wearing when he dashed out of his room in a hurry on November 22, 1963, the whole Jacket Charade that you, Greg Doudna, outline in such great detail in your lengthy article is something that is extremely unlikely to have occurred.
And the main reason the police wouldn't have wanted to play Musical Jackets with Oswald's garments is because they just simply didn't need to --- and that's because Lee Oswald still had the Tippit murder weapon on him when he was arrested in the Texas Theater. (Not to mention the multiple eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald at or near the scene of Tippit's murder with a gun in his hands.)
So, given the fact the DPD knew they had the real killer of Officer Tippit in custody (namely: Lee Oswald), why the need to play Musical Jackets?
But, of course, since Greg Doudna doesn't think Lee Oswald killed J.D. Tippit at all (see Pages 44 and 117), that leaves open a wide variety of unsupportable theories that Greg can pluck from the sky in order to justify why the cops did this and did that.
That's what's so nice about being a conspiracy believer---there's almost nothing that can't be theorized. Even a needless Jacket Charade....and, of course, the switcheroo of the Tippit bullet shells (which is a must---if we're to believe Oswald didn't shoot J.D. Tippit).
I wonder if there is ANY evidence in the JFK & Tippit cases that an Internet conspiracy theorist thinks wasn't tampered with and/or manipulated by the authorities?
Greg Doudna has now added Oswald's two jackets to the list of "Fraudulent Evidence". (And as far as I can recall, that's the first time those two items have been labeled as "Fake" or "Tampered With" by any conspiracist.)
What's next? Oswald's wedding ring in the teacup?
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On 6/3/2023 at 12:45 AM, Greg Doudna said:
"Lee Harvey Oswald's two jackets and why the Tippit killer's jacket was not one of them"....
117 pages ---- https://www.scrollery.com/?p=1553
Greg's jacket theory, like most conspiracy theories, is just about the opposite of the truth and the known facts. Oswald's BLUE jacket was, of course, found in the TSBD's Domino Room in December 1963. And Earlene Roberts, in the Day 1 (11/22/63) KLIF Radio interview linked below, said that Oswald left the roominghouse on November 22nd wearing a "short gray coat", not a blue jacket.
(KLIF-Radio)(Thumbnail).png)
Also see the following excerpt from Vincent Bugliosi's book concerning the two jackets that Lee Oswald owned (click to enlarge):
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2023 RIFLE ADDENDUM....
We must also keep in mind this important fact....
The Klein's coupon that Lee Oswald used to order his rifle came from the February 1963 issue of American Rifleman magazine. But he didn't mail that order coupon until the middle of March.
So by the time Oswald's rifle was shipped by Klein's (March 20), the April issue of American Rifleman (and other similar monthly magazines that had the Klein's ads in them) would have very likely already been on newsstands and in stores around the country.
And what was the length of the Italian Carbine that was being advertised by Klein's Sporting Goods in the April 1963 issue of American Rifleman magazine? Answer: 40 inches (per this e-mail that I received from Gary Mack in 2010).
Therefore, nobody should be at all surprised (not even a conspiracy theorist) that Lee Oswald was shipped a 40-inch Carcano rifle in late March of '63, since we know from the Klein's ads that the 40-inch version of the gun is the exact model (in addition to being the exact same price and catalog number) that Klein's customers would have been ordering and receiving through the mail (via the April issue of American Rifleman) at that exact same point in time—late March of 1963.
And since we know that Klein's definitely did switch from a 36-inch weapon to a 40-inch model in their advertisements in the early months of 1963, it stands to reason that a customer who technically ordered the 36-inch gun might receive the 40-inch model instead. And, in my opinion, that's just exactly what happened with Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle order. Plus, the fact that Oswald ordered his gun in the middle of March while using a February coupon made it even more likely that Klein's would have had to send him the 40-inch gun instead.
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Posted · Edited by David Von Pein
I put this together myself, using the individual Costella frames:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIc3hRRHluY2NmR2c/view