David Von Pein

On 8/11/2012 at 9:01 AM, James R Gordon said:

Why don't you address how a low entry wound can exit through a higher exit wound. How is that possible???

Well, in the JFK case, that simply did not happen---as the side-by-side autopsy photo comparison below clearly demonstrates. It's quite clear (despite what the HSCA determined) that the wound in JFK's upper back was located ABOVE the exit wound in his throat:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/jfk-back-wound-location.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2018/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1270.html

1 minute ago, Vince Palamara said:

I like all but the 2003 one with Peter Jennings.

You "like", but you certainly don't agree with David Wolper's "Four Days" film. Right, Vince?

1 minute ago, Vince Palamara said:

Dave, we are BOTH credited at the end of JFK: THE FINAL HOURS

Yes, that was pretty cool.

29 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

The JFK movie: the greatest assassination movie ever.

JFK Revisited- The Complete Collection: the greatest assassination documentary ever.

Full stop.

Another man's opinion (just for the sake of "Equal Time")....

The greatest JFK Assassination feature motion picture ever made (with no other film even coming close, IMO):

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The greatest JFK Assassination documentary programs ever made:

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43 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

Ok so assuming on the day of the assassination she thought LHO worked at the other building, if one follows wc logic she also did not know LHO owned a rifle, she did not know a rifle had been stored in the open in her garage and she did not know that It was missing from the garage on 11-22-63.   She also had a dentist appointment and shoe shopping to do instead of seeing the motorcade.   At some point this is odd.  

I see nothing "odd" about anything you just said. And I certainly don't find it altogether impossible....or even improbable. In fact, everything you just mentioned is true. (IMO.)

50 minutes ago, Cory Santos said:

But we do still have two, possibly three times that she [Ruth Paine] saw the phone book which I have proven showed an Elm Street address. Overall, I think this is interesting.  

But keep in mind that the Depository warehouse building on Houston Street that Ruth saw while driving on Stemmons was located very near Elm Street. It was only---what?---two blocks north on Houston. So the two TSBD buildings were, indeed, very close to one another.

Given that fact, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for someone casually driving on Stemmons to think that the "warehouse" building on Houston was located on Elm (or vice versa). Was Ruth supposed to keep track of all Dallas streets at all times and where things were located on those streets? Why would she have cared what street that warehouse she saw was on? And why would she have needed to commit such knowledge to memory? It didn't make any difference to her what street that TSBD warehouse was located on.*

* The CTers who think that Ruth Paine was involved in a scheme to plant LHO in the TSBD on Elm Street must think otherwise, of course. But I'm not wired with "Conspiracy" circuitry. So it's my view that the "Elm Street" address that Ruth did, indeed, write down in her address book (and see in the phone book) meant very little to her at all. And therefore there was no reason for her to concentrate on that address at all after jotting it down in her address book or seeing it in print in the telephone book. And, in fact, she pretty much told us that very thing in this WC testimony:

"I was not aware, hadn't taken in the idea of there being two buildings and that there was one on Elm, though, I copied the address from the telephone book, and could well have made that notation in my mind but I didn't."

Another new addition to my "Dealey Plaza" page....

From May of 1952....

Source: Robin Unger's Photo Gallery....

Denis Morissette said:

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David, yes the building is facing Stemmons. The photo was taken by McIntire. That photo is no longer at the Dallas Library after Groden’s visit. Groden published it. I enhanced it.

One minute later, Denis Morissette added:

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Best I can do. You can ask Groden since he had the original. Looking at your screen from a distance may help. Warehouse makes sense!

2½ hours later, Denis Morissette said:

Thanks so much for digging up that rarely-seen photo, Denis!

So now we know that Ruth Paine, in her testimony, was positively referring to the TSBD building located at 1917 North Houston Street (see Roy Truly's Warren Commission testimony at 3 H 237 for verification of that address).

I officially now stand corrected in my previous assumption and speculation that Ruth saw the "TSBD" title on the Elm Street building. Because the photo below supplied by Denis Morissette clearly shows that on the front of the Houston Street building, facing Stemmons Freeway, are the words "Warehouse -- Texas School Book Depository":

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8 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

JFK Files: Reviewing Oliver Stone’s Documentary – JFK: Revisited

Dale hits the nail squarely on the head (again).

My $0.02:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2021/12/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-135.html

17 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Jonathan, please.

We all know why Ruth went to Nicaragua.

As per attention, are you for real?

Ruth Paine appeared in almost every POS TV special that the WC backers ever made.  Not just that, she was there for the reception of that POS film endorsing the WR a few years back.

Max Good's film is the first one I know of to even begin to question who she really is and what she really did. And its hard to comprehend how you want to play Leslie Nielson, "Nothing to see here, just run on."  Whew. 

More sickening (veiled) allegations from DiEugenio. All without a stitch of proof.....as usual.

2 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

Thanks David. I’m looking forward to checking it out. It seems like a pretty interesting compilation record. It’s probably worth downloading too in case that SoundCloud page ever goes down. 

Yes. I did exactly that just after you posted it earlier today. And I've already added it to my sites and my YouTube channel. (It's labeled as a Public Domain program there at SoundCloud, btw.)

It has some interviews I had not heard previously, such as the one with Earlene Roberts and one with Ruby's sister, Eva Grant, plus a Jim Chaney interview and one with John Connally upon his release from Parkland. Good stuff.

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

(BTW, Myers blocked me from replying again after our first exchange, and has since deleted our exchange. So now he has only positive feedback from his LNer buddies.)

I can still see your exchange with Myers, Sandy.

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2022/07/lies-and-deception-in-tippit-murder.html

1 hour ago, Tom Gram said:

https://m.soundcloud.com/beauweaver/the-fateful-hours-klif-dallas

I've confirmed that there is an interview with Earlene Roberts on this "Fateful Hours" KLIF retrospective program, with Roberts saying (at about the 27:00 mark) that Oswald left his room wearing a "short gray coat", just as Dale Myers said in his 2017 blog article.

45 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

I found the tape (I think) if anyone wants to check it out. I won’t be able to listen until later tonight: 

https://m.soundcloud.com/beauweaver/the-fateful-hours-klif-dallas

Excellent job of digging that up, Tom! Thanks. I'm starting to listen to it now (7:40 PM EDT on July 24).

(I see it's been available at Sound Cloud since Nov. 2013. But I had never heard about this program before now. Thanks again, Tom Gram.)

1 hour ago, Denis Morissette said:

The TSBD on Houston. ....

Excellent, Denis!

I have never been able to find a picture of the Houston Street TSBD warehouse. But there it is in your photo. And, sure enough, that building (just like the Elm St. building) has the words "Texas School Book Depository" written right on it. It doesn't, however, say the word "Warehouse" as Ruth Paine said it did.

EDIT --- Or is the word "Warehouse" there after all? I just noticed --- Does it say "Warehouse" above the word "Book" in the picture of the Houston St. building? What do you think, Denis? Can that area be enhanced somewhat? It looks like a word might be printed there, and it could be the word "warehouse" I suppose.

Also....

Denis, does that photo of the Houston St. building actually face Stemmons Freeway? Would the words "TSBD" have, indeed, been visible to anyone driving on the Stemmons highway? If so, that means that BOTH of the Depository buildings would have been visible from Stemmons, and BOTH buildings would have had their names ("TSBD") easily visible to anyone who was looking in that direction from Stemmons Freeway. And therefore it's really not possible to say for sure which of the two buildings Mrs. Paine was referring to when she said this to the Warren Commission in 1964 (unless we can verify that the word "Warehouse" is, in fact, there at the top of the building located on Houston Street):

"I had seen a sign on a building as I went along one of the limited access highways that leads into Dallas, saying "Texas School Book Depository Warehouse" and there was the only building that had registered on my consciousness as being Texas School Book Depository."

Jacket Addendum....

Regardless of the exact color or shade of the jacket that Oswald was zipping up as he departed 1026 Beckley on Nov. 22, I think Earlene Roberts' comments (regardless of which version you want to choose) provide pretty solid proof that Lee Oswald was zipping up a "short coat" (jacket) as he left the house that day.

We can argue about the exact color of Oswald's jacket all year long....but is there a person at this forum who REALLY thinks that Earlene Roberts was telling a big fat lie when she said she saw Oswald hurriedly enter his room on 11/22 and then rush out again while zipping up a jacket (or "short coat")?

Why would anyone disbelieve at least THAT part of Roberts' story? She has ALWAYS maintained that Oswald rushed in and out again, and she's always maintained he was zipping up a jacket as he left.

Tom,

Here's the 2017 Dale Myers article in which he uses the KLIF interview as a source. It's footnote #48....

Quoting Myers...
"On the day of the assassination, Earlene Roberts said that Oswald “rushed in ... and got a short gray coat and went on back out in a hurry.” [48]  ”

[48] KLIF Interview

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2017/11/when-jd-tippit-was-gunned-down.html

35 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

Vinnie was like an uncle to me growing up. I certainly spent more time listening to his voice than any other voice, with the possible exception of Johnny Carson. After Johnny retired, of course, there was basically Vin Scully, along with Lakers announcer Chick Hearn, and radio DJ Jim Ladd. 

Marty Brennaman and Joe Nuxhall (as mentioned earlier) were my guys on the radio. Along with Al Michaels (in 1971, 72, and 73 on the Reds network). Al has been a favorite sports voice of mine for many years. I've got a page on my site devoted to him, in fact. ....

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

As long as we're "bonding" I think I should add my own perspective on the Big Red Machine. I hated them. As a Dodgers fan, I seriously seriously hated them, particularly in 75-76, when they had the Dodgers' number. But it was a different kind of hate than I had for the Yankees (or the Celtics). They were just too damned good, and knew it. While I never made it to Riverfront, I saw the Big Red Machine play at Dodger Stadium on numerous occasions. I can still remember the crowd booing Pete Rose and him lifting his hand to his ear like he couldn't hear them. On once occasion, however, I got a little too carried away. My friends and I had bought bottom level seats down in the corner and had gradually moved towards home plate throughout the game. By the end of the game, we were about ten rows back between third and the plate. In any event, Joe Morgan hit a go-ahead homer I think it was in the top of the 8th or 9th. And I lost it. As he rounded third I stood and yelled "I hate you, you effin chicken!" Only I didn't say effin. (I called him "chicken" because of the way he flapped his elbow while batting.) To my surprise, however, he actually heard me and turned his head to see who was yelling at him and he looked right at me. And I saw hurt on his face. I'll never forget that. Within a year or two, I had a similar incident with J.R. Richard, who dominated the Dodgers for a time, and then had a stroke. To this day, I feel guilty about yelling at these guys, who would have been heroes to me should they have been Dodgers.

Thanks for sharing all those memories, Pat. Very interesting. And, as a Reds fan, I of course wasn't exactly rooting for your Dodgers either. It was quite a rivalry in the '70s, to be sure. Any fan was lucky to get a seat in the 26th row of the red seats when L.A. came to Riverfront in those days (that's the last row of the top deck; and I sat up there for a Mets-Reds doubleheader on July 11, 1975; that ticket stub is in the photo montage I linked earlier).

And you were speaking of the great James Rodney Richard. I happen to have this handmade logo (and radio highlights) featuring ol' J.R., exactly three months to the day before he suffered his stroke....

And here's a game I found recently that might appeal to you, Pat. It has the legendary Vin Scully calling the action at Riverfront in 1971. A very good game too (the Reds won).....

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

Point is, the prints were fresh and completely unrelated to any prints Oswald may have left behind over the previous five weeks.

I agree 100%, Bill.

"The LHO prints on the Sniper's Nest boxes are not (themselves) conclusive proof of Oswald's guilt, true. But when placing those prints (and the critical, key LOCATIONS of where those prints were found and on WHAT SPECIFIC BOXES) next to all of the other "LHO Was Here" evidence that is piled against the door, those box prints of Oswald's become more significant, in that those prints are CORROBORATIVE OF OTHER "OSWALD" EVIDENCE that was found in the Sniper's Nest. It's beyond me how anyone can completely dismiss those multiple LHO prints (which are prints that were found on two boxes DEEP INSIDE the assassin's Sniper's Nest) with the typical three-word CTer retort of "He worked there"." -- DVP; November 18, 2007

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/Oswald Was In The Sniper's Nest

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/06/More "Sniper's Nest" Talk

9 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Did you post a source?

The source is, I think, a Dale Myers blog article, in which he sources the "short gray coat" info with "KLIF interview, Nov. 22".

BTW, just the other day I listened to all of my extensive KLIF Radio coverage from 11/22/63, but I could not find any interview with Earlene Roberts. But I have no doubt that if Dale Myers sourced it as a "KLIF interview", it did definitely happen. I just don't have it in my collection.

4 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

I'm with ya, David.  I miss Riverfront Stadium.  The blue seats, green seats, yellow seats and red seats combined with the green Astroturf made it all very colorful.  Not to mention the great memories of winning teams.

Ah, yes, Bill! I see now (just below your profile picture) that you're from Cincy. Nice! I was born in Richmond, Indiana, just 60 miles from Cincinnati. That's why I went to Riverfront so often. It was pretty close by.

Yes, I knew Riverfront like I did my own back yard. Did you ever save any of your Riverfront ticket stubs? I sure did. Still have them----CLICK. (That's not nearly all of them though. I have many more.)

More Riverfront Memories Here.

Also, Bill, you might want to check out my collection of Cincinnati Reds games that I have at my websites. 300+ Reds games and counting---with many Marty & Joe radio clips that I recorded myself in the '70s and '80s.

(Sorry for going off-topic. But it's fun to do that once in a while.)

I'd forgotten about this JFK collectible that I have in my den right now. It's not a "signed" item or anything like that, but it is a nice SS-100-X model....

12 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

I was invited to meet the band X at a store in Silver Lake called You've Got Bad Taste. I felt like I should buy something to support the store. They were selling small pieces of the walls to the house on Cielo Drive which some enterprising lad had scooped up after the house was demolished. I think I paid 2 bucks for it. I have no idea where it is at this point. In the world of creepy collectibles, that's a trifle. There were dozens if not hundreds of people who scooped up John Wayne Gacy clown paintings after his conviction as a serial killer. And then of course there's Henry Ford and son, who snatched up 1) Lincoln's stained chair from Ford's Theatre, 2) Edison's last breath, and 3) the JFK assassination limousine, for the family museum in Dearborn, Michigan. And, oh yeah, let's not forget our friend John Lattimer, who paid something like $10,000 bucks (over a 100k in today's money) for Napoleon's shriveled penis. Of course, he also spent small fortunes on Lincoln and JFK assassination related materials such as Oswald's military score book. 

Thanks for the info, Pat. You answered my question (and then some). 🙂

My biggest "collectible" would be the 13 Cincinnati Reds player autographs that I collected in 1972 (during the "Big Red Machine" days).

I should really have gone down to Cincinnati to scoop up a few hunks of Riverfront Stadium right after it was imploded in December 2002. Maybe that would have helped me to keep my vivid memories of that stadium alive in future years. (Most people now seem to have nothing but hatred for the "concrete donut" type ballparks like Riverfront. But it was like a second home to me all throughout the 1970s and 1980s.) 🙂

For those interested, here is my collection of several more interviews featuring Clint Hill and Gerald Blaine....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/12/kennedy-detail.html