Ray Mitcham

Why would he be holding an Imperial Reflex camera up to his eyes?

I agree with Bob. There is no light above the camera to relict light to the viewer.

"Since Prayer Man was pointing his twin lens reflex camera in the general direction of the sun, enough light was entering it through the upper "viewing" or "reflex" lens so that half (?) of it,"

​He was standing in shade so he couldn't have been pointing the camera in the direction of the sun.

The diary topic is, "Why Does DVP Rattle Cages Here?"

The discussion has devolved into a typical fight among persons on the CT side of the fence.

It appears to me that DVP rattles fewer cages here than Greg Parker, for example. That's interesting. If the chief perp were one of my clients, I'd back criticism of Greg Parker and ignore DVP. That's just me and my view.

Nothing wrong with that philosophy, and of course if you don't like what anyone says, you can always ignore them. On the one hand, Greg does sometimes try to discuss the actual evidence whereas all DVP wants to do is 'Claim the WCR is 'real' evidence and anything the CTer's produce is lies. His philosophy is that whether it makes any sense at all, if the WR said it, it is gospel.

Hallelujah, it's in the good book!

James B Walcott

Mr. Wilcott. Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent of the agency.

Mr. Goldsmith. What do you mean by the term "agent?"

Mr. Wilcott. That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work.

Mr. Goldsmith. How did this information concerning Oswald first come to your attention?

Mr. Wilcott. The first time I heard about Oswald being connected in any way with CIA was the day after the Kennedy assassination.

Mr. Goldsmith. And how did that come to your attention?

Mr. Wilcott. Well, I was on day duty for the station. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Then, as time went on, I began to hear more things in that line.

Mr. Goldsmith. I think we had better go over that one more time. When, exactly, was the very first time that you heard or came across information that Oswald was an agent?

Mr. Wilcott. I heard references to it the day after the assassination.

Mr. Goldsmith. And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. I can't remember the exact persons. There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station.

Mr. Goldsmith. How many people made this reference to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. At least--there was at least six or seven people, specifically, who said that they either knew or believed Oswald to be an agent of the CIA.

Mr. Goldsmith. Was Jerry Fox one of the people that made this allegation?

Mr. Wilcott. To the best of my recollection, yes.

Mr. Goldsmith. And who is Jerry Fox?

Mr. Wilcott. Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch, the Soviet Russia Branch, [REDACTED] Station, who purchased information from the Soviets.

Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at the [REDACTED] Station in 1963?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, you did.

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Mr. Wilcott. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer--I am sure it was a Case Officer--came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money" either for the Oswald project or for Oswald.

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Mr. Wilcott. I believe that Oswald was a double agent,

was sent over to the Soviet Union to do intelligence work,

that the defection was phoney and it was set up and that

I believe that Marina Oswald was an agent that had been

recruited sometime before and was waiting their in Tokyo

for Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Goldsmith. What is the basis for that opinion?

Mr. Wilcott. The basis for that is discussions that

I had with people at the XXXXX Station. Those are discussions

with people who gave the indication that there was every cer-

tainty that Oswald was an agent of CIA, runout of XXXXXXX

Station, and that he was freed from Russia there in the

final courses in Russia and was trained by CIA people at

Atsugi.

I don't think Oswald changed his trousers. LHO lied about that part of his "Beckley" story.

Once again, when someone's statement disagrees with your position, they are lying.

The "trousers" thing isn't really very important at all. I just don't think Oswald took the time to change his pants (or shirt) when he went to his roominghouse on Nov. 22. Therefore, it's my opinion that Oswald lied about his pants. It's possible that he changed his pants, but I'm doubting it. It just doesn't make any sense to me that he would have done that.

If it wasn't important, why did you bring it up?

http://harveyandlee.net/Temp/victors-01.jpg

Thanks Jim. Perhaps the others should read it.

"under Military Orders" ...

while i agree with most everything you said, in all sincerity, what could that possibly mean to someone who is no longer in the military? except in intelligence matters, i would presume - the military has no further jurisdiction over any veteran who has resigned or retired, i'm fairly sure.

just wonderin'... (bein' a veteran and all...)

Also being a vet, don't the powers that be control his pension and other benefits?

Go on, Jim, I like to see it.

And goodness, we all know that if it was in the Warren Report it must be real.

You're right. I don't think Oswald changed his trousers. LHO lied about that part of his "Beckley" story.

Once again, when someone's statement disagrees with your position, they are lying.

If you think a Capital t and a small t is the same, I'll bet you got poor grades in spelling.

You see, folks, this is the kind of mind-numbing (il)logic I'm confronted with every day here in the "JFK world".

Kenny Drew knew exactly what I meant when I said (correctly) that J.D. Tippit's last name was spelled the same backward and forward. But Kenny will nitpick about the Capital T. He does this just to argue and for no other worthwhile purpose.

Mind-boggling, isn't it?

It was your nit picking over his mis-spelling of Tippit that made him re-nitpick.

Mind boggling you are.

I, for one, cannot think of a single "Oswald Is Innocent" explanation for that empty paper sack being where it was found after the assassination of John Kennedy....AND with Oswald's fingerprints on it." -- DVP; October 2007

Try "he was framed." There's one explanation.

But it just goes to prove one thing --- Regardless of which theory they embrace, conspiracy theorists never get anything right.

Rather like the Nutters.

When C.T's say that Oswald never carried a rifle into the TSBD, they say " yes he did, Frazier saw him carrying a paper bag with it in!"

When C.T's say in that case, Frazier said the bag was too short to hold a dismantled rifle, the Nutters say "He was wrong-He lied- He was mistaken"

When C.T's say that Frazier demonstrated how Oswald allegedly carried the rifle under his arm pit,the Nutters say "He was wrong and the rifle must have been above his shoulder!"

In the Nutter world, the witnesses are right when they back up the W.C. (How well initialled is that!) but are wrong and lying when they don't.

Close upon the rifle strap. It does not appear to have any "flat" areas which would indicate such a flat strap, as shown above. IMO.

The rifle in the back yard pictures had a rope sling. mmmm.....

Are you sure Ray? I found this - a vintage cloth Carcano sling which Klein's gunsmith claims would have been sent with the rifle if anything was sent at all... Does look like what was on there a bit...

Did the rifles come equipped with straps?

A- No, because they were very cumbersome to pack. if some_

one would specifically order a sling with the rifle, a military

strap would be sent. This would not necessarily mean a strap

that was made especially for the 6.5 mannlicher-carcano.

Magnifying the photos, David, it still appears to me that the strap is a piece of thick cord rather than the strap you illustrate. (No appearance of any flat area in the strap) However, I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

"Now, many people, like Jesse Ventura, said Gary had private doubts about the official story.

But none of these showed up in any of the many documentaries he helped put on TV."

Nonsense

Your snippet pales BIG time in comparison to the truckload of docus him promoting the LNer theory or 'disproving' multiple shooters.

Pure disinfo Duncan

Disino? Oh, that's right, I forgot people like you don't like it when undeniable facts are shoved straight in your face.

Living in your uneducated straight jacket world of myths and factoids isn't for me, hard evidence wins the day every time.

My posting of the Video snippet was to prove the point to Jim, and that Jim ( A knew B and B knew C, proves that C knew A ) DiEugenio was wrong with his quoted comment shown below.

"But none of these showed up in any of the many documentaries he helped put on TV."

The Video tells the truth, get over it!

From which documentary was the clip, Duncan?

My personal opinion is that these are clearly the same man, taken at different points in his life. Lighting, head tilt, pursing of the lips in the marine photo (edit: I mean photo on the right, I mistook that for a photo of Oswald in the marines) can easily account for many of the subtle differences between photos. I think there is some interesting evidence suggesting there were sightings of "Oswald" in more than one place at once, but this set of photos doesn't convince me we are looking at two different men.

When did his ears drop? Puberty?

His head is clearly tilted more downward in the right photo, which would make his ears appear higher. If you don't understand how perspective works, I'm afraid there is no helping you.

In that case his chin should be lower in the right photo.

My personal opinion is that these are clearly the same man, taken at different points in his life. Lighting, head tilt, pursing of the lips in the marine photo (edit: I mean photo on the right, I mistook that for a photo of Oswald in the marines) can easily account for many of the subtle differences between photos. I think there is some interesting evidence suggesting there were sightings of "Oswald" in more than one place at once, but this set of photos doesn't convince me we are looking at two different men.

When did his ears drop? Puberty?

Wrong insert

According the the records, there were 860 rifles still at Harborside and up to 99 rifles at Klein's on 11/22 for which he have no information..

Or do we?

Waldman tells us he removed the "remaining inventory" of the Oswald rifle that weekend due to the gruesomeness of selling these at all... which I find very hard to believe a gun dealer would not take advantage of the "weapon type" as a collector's item and sell them at a premium...

But they simply seem to vanish by the 26th of Nov... does anyone know what happened to these and the Harborside inventory?

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Has Anyone EVER come forward claiming to have purchased a C20-T750 yet was shipped "the same rifle Oswald used" PRIOR to the Hidell shipment? - the rifle was advertised from Feb 62 thru Feb 63.

Has any one of these Serial #'d MC rifles ever been found? The WCR records only offer info on these 100 rifles.. Has anyone ever seen a "blank order" for any one of these rifles with corresponding serial #'s?

It is my theory that the FBI took Feldsott's 10 packing slips and created these two pages. So far, the only thing we've seen to corroborate that this page is "original" is the Hidell Order Blank.

Does seem strange to me that the serial #'s are all written on what looks like a blanked out background, while everywhere else on the 'copy' we see the black dots of the lined paper.

A bigger clearer verson of a page shows what I mean... Would it be that hard to see these VC=Serial # sheets for ANY OTHER GROUP OF RIFLES?

It would seem that any and all documentation which was available and would confirm the FBI story of replacing the scoped TS rifle with an FC... was never sought.

Certainly look as though the original writing has been blanked out under the hand written numbers. Good spot,David.

Wow, three people all make the same mistake and say a "slender" 5'10" man weighed 165lbs. Another coincidence in a case full of them.

This is what you get when you play around with bucket fill in GIMP>

Strange that the whole area comes out red with one press of the button.

Stringer to The ARRB.

Gunn: Do you see the phrase, next to the last sentence, of the document- I’ll read it to you “To my personal knowledge this is the total amount of film exposed on this occasion?” Do you see that?

Stringer: Yes

Gunn: Is it your understanding that that statement is incorrect?

Stringer: Well, yes. If they say that there were only 16sheets of film out of {sic]11, I’d say that was correct.

Gunn: When you signed this document, Exhibit 78, were you intending to either agree or disagree with the conclusion reached in the second to last- next to last sentence?

Stringer:

I told him I disagreed with him, but they said “Sign it”

Gunn: And who is “they” ? Who said “Sign it”?

Stringer: Captain Stover.

Gunn: Was Riebe in the room when you signed this?

Stringer : I don’t remember. His signature is on it, so I guess he was there. But I don’t remember.

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Gunn Did it really take that much time to put a ruler into the photo

Stringer: Well, they get it set up and all that. I mean, when they were doing it, they were in hurry and said, “Let’s get it over with.”

Gunn : Did you object to that at all?

Stringer: You don’t object to things.

Gunn: Some people do.

Stringer: Yeah, they do. But they don’t last long.

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Gunn:

Were you ever previously under any kind of order or restraint from being able to talk about the autopsy?

Stringer: Yes I was.

Gunn : Can you explain, very briefly, what the nature of the order was or the circumstances that put you under the order?

Stringer: Well, I think it was the morning after the autopsy. We were gathered into the commanding officer’s office of the Naval Medical School, who through the fear go God and everyone and he had a paper that we all had to sign that we would not talk to anyone about what had happened on that particular night.

Gunn: Do you remember the name of the person who gave you the order?

Stringer: John Stover.

I'm the same height as Oswald, and at his age, 25, I was just under 140 lbs. He looks to be a lot fitter than I was, so put me on the 131 lbs rota.

Two guys who lived in the same village but who were totally unrelated.

But, Ray, the autopsy photos and X-rays are in AGREEMENT with another piece of photographic evidence -- the Zapruder Film. The Z-Film shows that the BACK of President Kennedy's head was not "blown out".

So, along with the autopsy photos, you must also think the Z-Film was altered too, right Ray?

Is there ANY point in this case when you feel it's okay to put on the brakes when it comes to this "Massive Fakery Overload" thing you CTers have got going on? (Just wondering.)

Strange that the only evidence supporting your view is photographic, i.e autopsy photos, and the Zapruder film. The easiest items to fake, How come the autopsy photos disagree with the Parkland witnesses? Were they all hallucinating?