Larry Hancock

You have two choices on virtual conference, the first allows you to watch live and come back in to access the conference recording until the end of November. The second allows you to do that plus download the whole conference once it is consolidated and made available - sometime in January. **** The "Virtual Conference Only" price will give you access to the conference online and access to rewatch the presentations until the 30th of November. ***** The "Virtual Conference and Digital Download" price gives you access to the conference online, ability to rewatch the presentations until the 30th of November, and the ability to download the digital files starting the first week of December. The virtual conference is not a live Zoom conference so you cannot ask questions directly, however there should be an option to submit questions to the speakers for a later reply; I'm not precisely sure how that will work this year, previously it was a conference Facebook page where speakers could respond to questions after their presentation - during the duration of the conference.

Seems I just can't help myself, what I had posted earlier reminded me about Vernon and a further search on he and Plumlee produced the following, with documents on Plumlee, from Carmine's research. https://www.tpaak.com/the-abort-team-story

Jim, I have no idea about the goodby part, I primarily posted this as an example of how long the Plumlee story had been going on and how it had been discussed in regard to the Ed Forum. It is important to recall that Bob Vernon originated a good bit of the discussion of both Files and Plumlee and that by the time it was all done admitted that he had arrived at the conclusion that both were making up things regarding their assassination related experiences - he admitted that in posts and personally to me in several related emails. As I recall that was after Vernon had essentially sold his rights on the whole thing to William D. The thread I posted also illustrates how the Files and Plumlee stories became "entangled" over time. It would be interesting to see when and in what fashion Plumlee first introduced Roselli as being on his flight and find out if it was after Vernon had released his video tapes on Files (and for transparency I rushed to the store to buy the Files tape myself, it was hugely sensational at the time). In any event I've issued my caution on Plumlee so I will leave it at that.

Gosh, I think this is about the first time I've seen someone reject doing research on a source making such spectacular claims. On the other hand a quick Google search shows a lot of contemporary stories which just take Tosh at face value so I suppose that's just where we are these days; its amazing how little fact checking is in any of them. Still, you might want to check this out since it harks back earlier days on this same forum and brings back several names from the past who used to frequent it - and the depth of the exchanges that were pretty routine back then. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/gQ_b49XNSuE

Kirk, of course the versions vary as I said but basically he claimed that his flight carried various people and might have included actual participants in the attack i.e. Roselli. He claimed to be acting under some sort of covert military intel program as I recall, not CIA (although later claimed the CIA came to tell him the whole story about it all). His own vague abort assignment was never spelled out, he just sort of ended up in the Plaza. Giancana had nothing to do with his task. In one version he claimed to have been told that the govt. had specifics of the attack, which was supposed to occur on Main street almost in front of Ruby's club. But somehow that was compromised, they found out the plan had totally changed at the last minute but was still live...and yet nobody called off the motorcade or apparently warned Jack - who seemingly was cooperating to flush out the bad guys? If this all sounds weird, it certainly did to me but of course its too good a story for lots and can be meshed in nicely with some scenarios.

Sandy, you will have to do your own studies on this - I do have a document where Plumlee is talking to the FBI (while in jail) and brings up Martino, with no particular reason other than to tie himself to anti-Castro activities. You can start with a full search on the Plumlee documents at MFF, there are a bunch, maybe more than I originally collected pre-MFF. You may have to go to the internet archive to do a comprehensive search on Plumlee and his interviews, articles etc over the years. Definitely do your own research, nothing different on Plumlee than investigating any other self-proclaimed source, all I can offer is my own experience.

Kirk, over the years Plumlee did mention names of a couple of guys on the flight, including the pilot, but I did not take the trouble to record all this - at one point the story asserted that he and the pilot were both given a covert task of somehow aborting an attack on JFK but at that point with no details at all (no briefing on the motorcade or anything else). Yet rather than rushing downtown, to LOVE field or to meet some sort of covert local contact with more details, Tosh went to visit a relative (I think his mother) first and then later just appeared in the Plaza, having no operational contact or communications with anybody else. You really can't appreciate this all without all the versions of his story over the years, not even sure you can find them via google now but they were readily available about three decades ago when I was pursuing it.

Cliff, as far as I can recall, the first half dozen versions of Plumlee's flight and the "abort" team, where Roselli appeared at some point, never made any mention of Hunt at all. Nor did he mention Martino who he later began incorporating into it. I have no idea when and where Hunt showed up but Plumlee was skilled at embellishing his material by pulling in real names, material from JFK books and probably gossip as well.

We and I have been over and over Tosh Plumlee here in the forum. I was in contact with him and his family (daughter) back in the Compuserve JFK forum days, even invited her and her friends to present at a Lancer conference. Then I did extensive research in his documents (most of which consist of his asking to talk to the FBI while in jail for check kiting, aircraft theft or other such charges). I also did a chronological search of his statements about Dallas and it was obvious he had changed and elaborated his story over the years...considerably. I was never able to verify any of his so called intelligence contacts, even the really wild ones he sent me about being recruited at a small airport in the Dallas area (not Red Bird) before he could even fly. There is little doubt that eventually he did learn to fly and had an active life (after leaving his family) in smuggling and other sketchy affairs as a pilot. What really pulled it all together was his providing detailed stories about Dallas, the plans and the abort, with JFK and company knowing he was riding into an ambush - and taking Jackie along - and Plumlee getting all the details on it after the fact when a senior CIA officer flew down to Florida to go over it all and explain it personally to Plumlee. On the other hand he is a great story teller, very sincere, very flexible, extremely good at pulling elements from elsewhere into his narrative, and his story will never go away - its just too good and fits with two many scenarios promoted over time.

We have discussed the Vinson story here many times and I tried for some four years to pursue it with him directly, engaging with his lawyer many times but being refused access to Vinson himself - his lawyer had introduced the subject by showing up at a Lancer conference and asking for special permission to present something explosive; we allowed him to do that at a scheduled lunch break - afterwards he literally sprinted for the door and out the hotel with me trying to catch him. I did take a lot of notes though, many of which conflicted with certain elements of the story that jelled in his book. I investigated his full story extensively and there are a ton of holes in it, when his book came out I again requested via the lawyer to discuss it and was refused once again. In line with an invitation in his book I prepared a list of questions and issues and mailed it to him and received no response. There should be threads on this story here here but I'll just leave it to the point that I think he was sincere but mistaken on many aspects - but unwilling to actually have a dialog on the book and that overall it is yet one more diversion from actual events (and if anybody thinks you could land that aircraft on that riverbed in downtown Dallas right after the presidential assassination when people were so sensitive they were calling in complaints about a single engine prop aircraft at Red Bird revving its engine and have nobody notice, report on it I believe that would be a mistake).

Shirley Martin should be on the list right along with Mary Ferrell, Sylvia Meagher, and Connie Kritzberg

I would suggest Dallas newspersons including Penn Jones, Earl Goltz, and Connie Kritzberg as well, all suspected conspiracy and wrote about it.

And amazingly he managed to bring it all together just in time for an anniversary year...

Hi Miles, if you purchase the virtual conference you get to see all presenters, the ones in person in Dallas and those coming in remotely via Zoom, and also revisit the stream though the end of November; there is an additional option to download all the presentations in December. The "Virtual Conference Only" price will give you access to the conference online and access to rewatch the presentations until the 30th of November. ***** The "Virtual Conference and Digital Download" price gives you access to the conference online, ability to rewatch the presentations until the 30th of November, and the ability to download the digital files starting the first week of December. Don't know how long you were in New Mexico, I graduated from UNM in Albuquerque and later lived outside DC in Centreville and down near Lynchburg for a time.

This is the most current speaker list and schedule: https://jfklancerpublications.com/

John Hunt would be another...

The list should include Ian Griggs

Gerry, I don't know where that came from but having done a good bit of work and written about both the MLK and RFK assassinations I have seen nothing like that. In particular the LAPD held onto all the crime scene evidence and did their own muddling and obfuscation with no real outside help; the FBI did some field work with interviews including Sirhan Sirhan's psychic mentor and with Kyber Khan but both were minimal and added virtually nothing. They did not work directly with the crime scene material. John Hunt's book is definitely the gold standard for what happened with the RFK evidence. As to MLK, the local police processed the crime scene material which largely consisted of ballistics evidence and material from the room house and Ray's personal possessions in his car. The FBI did begin an inquiry into known ultra right figures and worked with tracking the rifle purchase, then the manhunt for Ray....but in neither case was the crime scene evidence lifted out of town in mass as happened in Dallas.

At this point the regular in person tickets are sold out - of course you can still register for virtual attendance since there is no limit on that...and their are options to access the sessions at will online once the conference is over. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of people in Dallas this year... Larry

Of those posting on this forum I know David Boylan and I will be there in person, we will be joining in two separate presentations. Not sure who else here will be in Dallas although I know that several are flying over from the DPUK group.

Well said Jim, I knew a long time JFK researcher from LA who had grown up in the industry and he recalled MM coming to readings and group practices and she was interested in nothing except improving her craft. She wanted to be a superior actress; he said he never saw her in anything other than a sloppy sweat shirt and slacks during all those sessions....or until she made it into the movies.

I really don't think anybody has to say anything loudly Joe, I passed the comments on to Rex myself...he has day job, he does everything on MFF voluntarily as he can find time for it and he had a lot of requests for a smartphone fix....I don't think he has to be pushed into anything, he just needs feedback.

Joe, have you communicated this directly to Rex?

Ah Steve, good catch - the thing is David Boylan has turned up a lead that might explain a number of other things related to Odio in 1963, including that flight to Dallas, Odio's time in Puerto Rico and ultimately provide a reason for that special visit by people from New Orleans (and Miami). It makes a lot more sense than a weapons buy and would have involved Odio in something pretty special if it had not been compromised...but enough said on that for now. The thing is David and I will be speaking on that lead as well as others in conjunction with his talk at the Lancer conference - specifically on the Odio visit. So I'm going to have to keep that to myself for a few more weeks (David, if you visit this thread, don't give it away yet...grin). -- Larry

Escalante published a book which made strong case for all sorts of nefarious CIA and US activities against Cuba (a mild case compared to what we know now) and in doing so he connected the CIA to JFK's assassination. Given the book theme it was totally consistent to link the CIA to JFK's murder as well and he did so, as far as I could tell with a lot of material and speculation already found in previously published JFK assassination books. He also attended a conference with a number of JFK researchers and that helped promote the book as well as Cuba's case against the US. The book also contained claims that captured Cuban exiles had talked about their knowledge of a conspiracy involving the CIA as well....that has shown up in several places over the years as well - totally undocumented and not used as Cuban propaganda at the time, but held privately - to wait for books apparently. I went though the Escalante book repeatedly looking for anything unique or anything he could document from actual files or corroborate independently - things that had not been in newspapers and books prior to his own book's publication. I could not find anything significant but if anyone else has I'd like to see it.