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Robert, Thanks for responding. Based on the above paragraph, I believe that you are referring to DPD Officer Marvin Buhk and it wasn't the ABT, it was the Library. At 12:30 in the afternoon on November 22nd, Detective Marvin Buhk of the Dallas City Police Forgery Bureau was supplementing security at the Dallas Trade Mart where President Kennedy was due to give a speech that afternoon. He was on duty on the fourth floor of the Trade Mart when he received word of the President’s assassination. He said that Captain Jones then instructed him to proceed with Lt. Cunningham, E.E. Taylor, and J.B. Toney to the scene of the assassination to see what they could do. Enroute to the scene, they received word that a police officer had been shot in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas and Lt. Cunningham decided that they could do more good by going to that location immediately, rather than by way of the President’s shooting. While they were driving, they received word of the suspect being in the branch library at Jefferson and Marsalis. As Buhk wrote in his after-action report to Police Chief Jesse Curry on December 3, 1963, “We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.” Now maybe Buhk meant to write "Special Service" instead of "Secret Service", which would make sense, but Buhk was a Detective in the Forgery Bureau and should have known the difference. Notice that Marvin Buhk speaks of more than one Agent being present. The “Agent” Buhk spoke to was also a primary catalyst in shifting attention away from the branch library. At 1:32PM, Patrolman C.T. Walker broadcasts on Channel 2 that the suspect is in the Library. At approximately 1:40 Sergeant C.B. Owens tells Dispatch, and the Dispatcher broadcasts to all cars to “Disregard all information on the suspect arrested, it was the wrong man.”. This is only about an eight-minute window of opportunity. When did these “secret service men” arrive at the Library, how did they know to go there, and when did one of them have time to “talk to the man previously”? From Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Marvin A. Buhk. Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 12/03/63. Dallas Police Archives, Box 2 Folder # 7: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Transcript of Radio Log, Channel 2. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, Sawyer Exhibit A, volume XXI, pp. 396-397, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol21_0211a.htm Steve Thomas

Lee, Based on the timing of the dispatches, I believe the person being described below is Lonnie Ray Wright: At 1:12 # 243 calls in on Channel 2. #243 is Patrolman B. L. Apple “I’m down here with this three wheeler at the dead-end of Laurels (sic) and he has got black hair. He is 42 years old and got a light colored jacket on and he is pretty drunk but he has been walking down these railroad tracks. Do you want me to take him up there or what do you want me to do with him?" Along the lines of suspicious vehicles, I have always found these exchanges intriguing: According to CE 1974 at 23H885, at approximately 2:20PM, Unit 474A (which is only identified as the Special Services Bureau) is dispatched to pick up a "subject on this overpass, carrying a rifle; railroad tracks, Cobb Stadium." 474A was asked if he could see the subject. 474A said no, but that they would go over and get him. At 2:23, Unit 22 (Patrolman L.L. Hill) was dispatched to go out to Cobb Stadium on the railroad track overpass and meet 474A at the railroad tracks. "There is a white male carrying a rifle" (23H886) At 2:26, unit 562 (a wrecker) radioed in and said that he was at Cobb stadium "for that suspect's car" (23H887). The Dispatcher told the wrecker to wait there, that 474A will "be back in a minute". At 2:27, Unit 52(unknown) radioed in and asked if the T.C. Cobb Stadium was on the Hines Blvd overpass, the railroad overpass, or the freeway overpass and asked which direction the suspect was walking. The Dispatcher's response was garbled, but said he didn't know about the direction. (23H887) At 2:28 Patrolman Hill reported that he was with the wrecker at Cobb Stadium and Unit 474A was ordered to go there. (23H887) 474A radios in and says, "The car that we want picked up is on the parking lot if front of the Merchandise Mart just north of Cobb Stadium." 22 asks if it is a 1964 Falcon. 474A says, "No. It is a red panel truck with writing on the side... license plate 3E9087. (23H888) The time on Elrod's Arrest Record is given as 2:45 pm. As early as 2:03 PM, Unit 474A was calling for a wrecker. "We need a wrecker on the parking lot just west of Cobb's stadium for suspect's car." (23H881) At 2:26, unit 562 (a wrecker) radioed in and said that he was at Cobb stadium "for that suspect's car" (23H887). The Dispatcher told the wrecker to wait there, that 474A will "be back in a minute". What suspect was that? At 2:03 unit 474A is looking to pick up a "suspect's" car, but 474A wasn't dispatched to pick up the suspect walking on the railroad tracks until 2:20 PM. (23H885) There follows as series of transmissions from 474A looking for Deputy Chief M.W. Stevenson and Lieutenant C.C. Wallace. Steve Thomas

James, From Edward Epstein's diary entry: http://edwardjayepstein.com/diary/devosjoli.htm "I had been invited to the Consortium for the Study of Intelligence, a foundation-financed project of the so-called Nation strategy Information Center. It was a series of conferences on international deception at which top officials of the CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency and Israeli Intelligence service discussed the concept of counterintelligence. Since I was writing a book on the subject, I found it useful to attend. The April Conference was held at 1800 K Street. Among the guests was a short, bald-headed man, Philippe de Vosjoli. "I am probably the only French intelligence officer in history to defect to the United States," he said. Over a leisurely dinner, he explained that he had been posted to Washington in 1960 as the liaison officer between the French intelligence service, SDECE, and the CIA. He was the first French liaison officer. In this capacity, he worked closely with Angleton. Beginning in 1962, Angleton warned him that a CIA source, Anatoli Golitsyn, who had defected from the Russian Embassy in Finland, had revealed that the KGB had managed to infiltrate SDECE, his own intelligence service, at the highest levels. At first, he had assumed Golitsyn was a "lunatic". Then, Angleton gave him a "shopping list" of questions about US missile programs. It was, according to Golitsyn, to be filled by SDECE officers moonlighting for the KGB. Again, it sounded "insane" to him that French officers would be spies for the KGB and acquire US secrets on demand. His view changed radically when SDECE headquarters told him to organize a spying operation in Washington. Its targets were precisely the ones that Golitsyn had identified. He alerted the head of his service that a KGB spy ring was operating from within its ranks. In November 1963, he learned from an associate in France that he had been ordered assassinated by his own intelligence service. When he received a telegram the next week ordering him back to Paris, he assumed it was his death notice. Rather than returning to Paris, he resigned from the French Secret Service in November 1963. Angleton helped arranged his defection. After years of hiding his identity, he sold a book idea to Leon Uris for Topaz, and moved to Lighthouse Point, Florida. He told me over a leisurely dinner that he still had extensive files on the "take" from Golitsyn which I could see if I came to Florida. It was an offer I quickly accepted." Steve Thomas

From the Library Hotline 3/6/06: The U.S. National Archives is partnering with Google in a pilot program to make holdings of the National Arhives available for free online. The pilot program will begin with 101 films, "but NARA and Google are exploring the possibility of expanding the online film collection and making NARA's extensive text holdings available electronically." video.google.com/nara.html or www.archives.gov Steve Thomas

Hi Duke, [/indent]There is, of course, a quid pro quo of sorts: I need a wee tad of help. Someone - I forget the name - disputed Worrell's story, saying that he'd been right there, too, and saw nothing of the sort. The latter told of moving a construction barricade to allow a car to come through. Can anyone please direct me to this info so I don't have to reconstruct it all? Many thanks in advance! This would be James Romack. He was a truck driver for the Coordinating Transportation Co. You can find his WC testimony here: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/romack.htm Steve Thomas

Francesca, From Mary Ferrell's database: LAST LEE FIRST HERBERT MID/AKA LEON ADDRESS 1026 N. Beckley, Dallas, TX; 1993: Garrison, TX (near LA-TX line) 'PHONE SOURCES CD 86, pp. 559-565; CD 206, p. 140 COMMENT Claims FBI interviewed him soon after assassination. Steve Thomas

John, Thank you for your kind words. I think it would be outstanding if Christopher Pyle could join. Steve Thomas

Mr. Caddy, Thank you. Steve Thomas

Robert, No documentary evidence exists that I am aware of, but does the photo need an explanation, in the context of the material on this thread? Thank you. I wasn't referring to the photo, I was referring to your comment about the "Secret Service Agent." Steve Thomas

Robert, Do you have any documentary evidence for this? I mean, is it on paper somewhere? Thanks, Steve Thomas

Lee, I once did some poking around on the Lucas B&B, and here's what I came up with. These are just raw notes. In the DPD Archives, attached to a typed complaint about three men in a blue and white Ford speeding on South Hampton at about 3:00 p.m. on the 22nd, there is this undated, handwritten note: Off B.M. Simmons 1514 was eating breakfast at Lucas B&B at 4:00 a.m. Tuesday and heard a waitress say that she had seen Ruby with Oswald in B&B several times. Beck (DPD Archives Box 7, Folder# 8, Item# 39) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm Simmons worked the Traffic Division, Accident Prevention Bureau 11:00p.m. to 7:00 a.m. shift under Sgt. W.R. Russell (Batchelor Exhibit 5002 at 19H132.) The Beck who signed this handwritten note would more than like by Ernest R. Beck who worked the Criminal Investigation Division, Homicide and Robbery Bureau under Captain Fritz. (Batchelor Exhibit 5002 at 19H145.) On January 27, 1964 District Attorney, Henry Wade wrote an Undeveloped Lead – Ruby Case memorandum. The memo reads: Olin Scurlock, EM3-1061, called Thursday, January 23, and stated that a friend of his, Paul Emory’s barber had told him that one of the Lucases at the B&B Café on Oak Lawn had told him that Ruby had been in their place of business with Oswald on more than one occasion. Emory, the barber and Lucas should be interviewed to see if there is anything to this or not. A handwritten annotation at the bottom of this memo reads: Interview Mary Lawrence 4325 Chestnut (DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 29 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm The Lucas B&B at 3520 Oak Lawn, phone number, LA 6-9097 was a couple of doors down from the Vegas Club at 3508 Oak Lawn. I imagine that Ruby dropped in there quite frequently after the Vegas Club closed at 2:00 a.m.; in fact, he had a history with the B&B as he was arrested there by Officers W. M. Wall and Detective C. W. Deloney at 3:34 in the morning on July 26, 1953 for carrying a concealed weapon. Interestingly enough, in his memo to Chief Curry written on December 12, 1963, Deloney said that Dr. George Boswell, “a resident physician at Parkland Hospital was with us.” (DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 7, Item# 21) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm Ruby was released by R. L. Patton and P. Dillehay by permission of Captain Westbrook. DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 7, Item# 20 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm As early as the 24th of November, authorities were aware of this possible connection between Oswald and Ruby. On November 24, 1963 FBI Agents Nat Pinkston and George Carlson interviewed Pete Lucas, Manager of the Lucas B&B Restaurant. Lucas told the FBI that Ruby used to frequent the coffee shop section of the restaurant, but he had been kicked out for creating a disturbance with another customer and told never to come back. The interview report reads in part, “MR. LUCAS stated that he knows of no particular associates of RUBY other than the fact that he has seen him on occasions in the company of Dallas Police Officers and riding in Dallas Police Squad cars.” Lucas was shown a photograph of Oswald and told the FBI that had never seen Oswald in the company of Jack Ruby. Henry Wade wrote his memo on January 27, 1964. Apparently Wade had received information that one of the Lucases had told someone that Ruby had “been in their place of business with Oswald on more than one occasion.” On the 28th, Detective D. N. Boyd of the DPD Criminal Intelligence Section interviewed Pete Lucas. In his memo to Chief Curry, Boyd said that Lucas stated that both Jack Ruby and his sister, Eva Grant were forbidden to enter his restaurant. Lucas stated that waitress Mary Lawrence had told him that she saw Ruby and Oswald eating in the restaurant prior to the assassination. Lucas went on to tell Boyd that Lawrence was a chronic xxxx and tended to fabricate stories. Lucas said that there was no truth to the story. However, at the end of the memo, Boyd wrote that Lucas told him that the FBI and two detectives from the Homicide Bureau had already interviewed Mary Lawrence. DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 19 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm In the DPD Archives, there is a copy of an interview with Mary Lawrence conducted by Detectives R. W. Westphal and P. M. Parks of the Criminal Intelligence Section, but it is dated January 30, 1964 – two days after the interview with Pete Lucas referenced earlier. I have not yet found a copy of the FBI interview with Mary Lawrence, nor are there copies of any earlier interviews of her conducted by the DPD. In the January 30th interview, Mary told the Dallas Police that Oswald had come into the Lucas B&B at about 2:15 a.m. on November 22nd. (The Oswald we know was home in bed in Irving at that time). She stated that this man was positively Lee Harvey Oswald. “Oswald” said he was waiting for Jack Ruby. Ruby came in a short time later, and “Oswald” joined him. “Oswald” left around 2:45 a.m. She then went on to say that she couldn’t be sure that it was Oswald, but if he had a small deep scar on his left cheek, it was him. She then told the Police that a few days after the assassination she received an anonymous phone call telling her to get out of town or she would die. DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 24 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm The handwritten note from Beck concerning information Officer Simmons had received, and the memo from Henry Wade about an undeveloped lead, both indicate that Ruby and Oswald were observed together in the Lucas B&B on more than one occasion. The DPD interview of Mary Lawrence only references this one incident. I tried to email the “eric” you referenced at the aol email address he had in 2000, but it bounced back as undeliverable. From the HSCA deposition of Jack Todd (a notorius Dallas criminal): Q. Did you ever back in the, we'll say, the early 50's, do. you recall a restaurant called the B & B on Oaklawn Street? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you used to frequent that? A. On occasions, yes, sir. I appears that the Lucas B&B Restaurant was part of larger concern. On March 18, 1999 the Texas House of Representatives adopted a Resolution honoring the memory of George Faithon Lucas, who in 1938, returned from college to devote his time and talents to the family businesses of Lucas Farms in Mesquite and the Lucas B&B restaurant in Dallas and at his father's behest ran the farm during World War II. George died at the age of 79 in April of 1998. Under his direction, the Resolution reads, “WHEREAS, Throughout the years, Lucas Farms prospered greatly under his direction, growing to become one of the largest dairies in Texas; at one time, it included more than 4,000 acres and 600 milk cows…” “RESOLVED, That the House of Representatives of the 76th Texas Legislature hereby honor the memory of George Faithon Lucas and extend sincere sympathy to the members of his family: to his daughter and son-in-law, Carolyn Lucas Bass and John R. Bass, Sr.; to his grandson, John R. Bass, Jr., and his wife, Eloise Barry Bass; to his granddaughter, Sarah Elizabeth Bass; to his brother and sister-in-law, Faithon P. Lucas, Jr., and Evelyn Dees Lucas; to his sisters and brother-in-law, Elizabeth Faithon Lucas, Mary Lucas Barunes, Helen Lucas Pappas, and Pete H. Pappas; to his sister-in-law, Ethel Zotos Lucas; and to his 17 nieces and nephews.” http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/76R/billtext/HR00242F.HTM Lucas Farms was in Mesquite. Mary Lawrence lived there as well. Steve Thomas Dallas History Message Board Re: Lucas B&B Posted By: Lee Chevalier <lee.c2.chevalier@mail.sprint.com> Date: Thursday, 12 September 2002, at 12:27 p.m. In Response To: Re: Lucas B&B (Jerry Felts) Actually, the Lucas family, though dispersed, is still in several food operations in/around DFW. They have that lovely Greek habit of large families, all tied to one another in sometimes remote ways. The Lucas B&B neon sign was left (alas, not the Phil's Delicatessen sign across the street) on Oak Lawn as its family owners hit a generation who wanted to develop other businesses. The original Lucas B&B (Better and Better?) cafes in the last century were downtown (there's a good photo in A.C.'s book) in several locations, including the Adolphus (Akard side entrance behind the cigar store) Hotel before they moved into the Oak Lawn location. Faithon Lucas could boast that his eggs came from his own farms; that you could eat breakfast at any time ("Have an 'After the Show'," the menu offered, referring to the nearby Esquire Theatre). The last B&B location, since filled by Pappadeaux, included a separate cocktail lounge and the breakfast room replete with Miss Polly and other "Flo"-type waitpersons. The intersection of Oak Lawn and Lemmon is worth a chapter in any Dallas history. The Lucas family also included Virginia Nick, who has underwritten opera, cultural events (especially Greek) and Greek Orthodox labors in this region. Steve Thomas

Mr. Caddy, From what you know, why was the Watergte broken into? Steve Thomas

Mark, More than likely, this was James Worrell. You can read his actions that day here: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/worrell.htm Steve Thomas

Lee, From the last posting on that comments page: From: Rosalyn Pate Friday, February 3, 2006 at 13:10:54 I am Sam Pate's Daughter. If you want the facts conact Sam yourself. Sam can be reached at sampate@sbcglobal.net. He has some other pretty cool stories, too. All true by the way! Steve Thomas

Has anyone ever heard anything about something called Goosecreek? I was looking in the NARA database for something else and ran across a couple of entries like this 1963 CIA memo from Tokyo to Washington: AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10176-10018 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : TOKYO TO : WASHINGTON TITLE : WILLIAM H. MARTIN WAS ADMITTED CONTACT GEORGE PERISTEROPOLOS. DATE : 01/01/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : GOOSECREEK; JFK ASSASSINATION CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/16/2004 COMMENTS : JFK64-12 : F6 : 20040303-1053483 : and this 1961 memo from Washington to Frankfurt: AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10185-10362 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : WASHINGTON TO : FRANKFURT TITLE : CABLE: RE PARA 1 REF, CONCUR. RE PARA 4, HAVE DISCUSSED DATE : 04/20/1961 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : GOOSECREEK; QJWIN CLASSIFICATION : TOP SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/11/1998 COMMENTS : JFK64-20 : F13 : 1998.08.11.19:30:06:123031 : I thought the subject line in both these memos was kind of interesting. Steve Thomas

Stephen, A researcher in another Forum told me that this Jack W. Martin was 25, about 5'6 and had an olive complexion. (Not the same Jack Martin we all know and love) He shows up in Mary Ferrell's database. I didn't find anything on him in google, google groups, or in the NARA database. It would be interesting to learn more about him. Steve Thomas

I was browsing through some Secret Service Reports on the Mary Ferrell website and ran across an interesting entry. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...3&relPageId=157 In a report filed by New Orleans SS agent (last name illegible) and approved by SA John Rice, this SS Agent wrote that at 1:42 PM on November 22nd, he was contacted by a clerk in the Dallas office - I think her last name is Wynn on behalf of Dallas SS Agent Robert A. Steuert. Steuert wanted this New Orleans agent to conduct "discreet inquiries" of one Jack Martin. The clerk did not know why, nor what connection Martin might have to JFK's assassination. At 1:42 PM, Lee Harvey Oswald had not yet been arrested in the Texas Theater. On the next page of this report, it says that at 2:04 PM the clerk called back and said that "at that time it was thought that possibly Jack Martin may have been the assassin of President Kennedy." Rice was asked to make "discreet inquiries" in Goldonna, LA on Jack Martin and telephone the results to Dallas. How did the Dallas SS office get the name of Jack Martin even before LHO had been arrested? What was the connection? Steve Thomas

Robert, These are two numbers of several in Dallas that David Ferrie called. You can see them here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ferriephone.txt Peter Whitney wrote an 1996 article entitled, "Did David Ferrie Lie to the Secret Service?" in which he identified who some of those numbers belonged to, although he doesn't tie specific numbers to specific companies. You can read his article here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/whitneyferrie.htm Steve Thomas

There is a new archive of digital information. You can access it here: http://www.archive.org/ Steve Thomas

Robert, Thank you. I was struck by the coincidence that this was coming right around the time of the Bay of Pigs. Hectic times. Steve Thomas

John Quigley was an FBI Agent in new Orleans. He interviewed LHO on August 10, 1963 in the NO jail. During his WC testimony, Quigley was asked: Mr. STERN. Have you found subsequent to this interview, Mr. Quigley, that you had any other contact with the case of Lee Harvey Oswald before this interview? Mr. QUIGLEY. Yes; I discovered at the time I checked our files that on April 18, 1961, I had; as a result of a request of the Dallas office, chocked the office of naval intelligence records at the U.S. Naval Station at Algiers. My purpose in checking that was merely to record what information their flies contained. Mr. STERN. And then you would send a report to that effect to the Dallas office? Mr. QUIGLEY. I sent a letter I believe in that particular case. In 1961, LHO was in Russia. Does anyone know anything about this request from Dallas, and what Quigley's letter contained? Steve Thomas

Stephen, Have you ever heard this guy speak? You can go to his web site and listen to some of his speeches. Quite the rabble rouser. Steve Thomas

Would anyone have a picture of Dallas FBI agent, C. Ray Hall? Thanks, Steve Thomas

Stephen, It wasn't just the Paine's. From what I've been able to gather, even though the Dallas PD publicly claimed that they had solved the case, they continued to keep tabs on the principals involved for many years to come. If you look in Box 18, Folder# 1, Item# 30 of the DPD archives http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm there is also a 1967 report on George DeMohrenschildt and a 1962 Ford convertible parked in HIS driveway. The Garrison investigation apparently had them rattled - there is a flurry of newspaper articles and reports filed in the 1967 and 1968 time frame. Look in Box 14 of the DPD archives http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm BTW, what Dallas newspaper archive site were you looking at? Steve Thomas

John, From the WC testimony of Hawkins: Mr. HAWKINS. No; we had walked out onto the stage itself and could see the people sitting in the show--the house lights had been turned on--the show was still going on, but we did walk out onto the stage. Mr. HAWKINS. I had my Service .38 revolver. Mr. BALL. Did you have it out or was it in your holster? Mr. HAWKINS. I believe I had it out. T. A. Hutson: Mr. HUTSON. The lights were down. The lights were on in the theatre, but it was dark. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. HUTSON. Visibility was poor. C.T. Walker: Mr. WALKER. I had my gun out. I had my gun out when I walked in the back of the theatre. Mr. BELIN. Did you have your gun drawn? Mr. WALKER. I had it drawn, and I put it back in my holster. Mr. BELIN. Why did you do that? Mr. WALKER. I had to search him. As I got up to him, we had him stand up and we searched him with their hands up, and I had my gun in the holster. (This is another person - not Oswald). He wasn't asked about the lights. Sounds like a pretty scary scenario to me - police with gunds drawn and a darkened theater. A lot could have gone wrong Steve Thomas