20 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

 

Yep. She recognized the shirt as the one she was shown, not the one "Oswald" was wearing.

 

This was one of the Commission’s “star” witnesses, another example of a witness whose memory and cognitive ability was not good but gave the Commission the “positive identification” it needed — Oswald on the bus.

Gil,

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm

Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe was accompanied by her attorney, Miss Melody June Douthit.

Mr. BALL - And you have come down here in response to that letter, haven't you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And you are here appearing with your attorney, who is present at this time?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Mrs. Bledsoe , this deposition will be written up by the reporter, and you can take it and look it over if you wish and change it in any way and sign it, or if you wish to waive the signature we will have it written up and send it to the Commission as it is.
Do you have any preference that way? Do you want her to waive the signature?
Miss DOUTHIT - I think she can waive it. I don't see any reason for her to sign it.
Mr. BALL - Then can we, on the advice of your attorney, will you waive the signature?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Doesn’t sound like an attorney who’s working in the best interest of her client to me.

If you read the last third of Mary Bledsoe’s testimony, her attorney, Ms. Douthit spent a long time trying to get Mary Bledsoe to admit she actually witnessed Lee Oswald sign the register. Mary did her best to avoid saying that.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Yes, he changed his shirt.

https://gil-jesus.com/?page_id=1618

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/bledsoe.htm

Mr. BALL - Now, I have got a piece of clothing here, which is marked---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
Mr. BALL - I know. What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, because I can recognize it.
Mr. BALL - Recognize it as what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, sir; see there?
Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is the one he had out there that day?
Mr. BALL - Who had it out there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Some Secret Service man.
Mr. BALL - He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt then before?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

38 rounds, in any pocket would be difficult to miss in any decent search.  A thin cardboard (not paper) buss transfer missed 3x(?) possible but not likely?

Ron,

Did you notice that Fritz mentioned the bus transfer, but neglected to mention the bullets?

Was there something hincky about the bullets that Fritz knew would never stand up in court? I think any good defense lawyer would, make hay with just what you mentioned.

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

I found some documents that indicate that the bus transfer and unfired .38 rounds allegedly found on Oswald during a search by Detectives Richard Sims and Elmer Boyd may not have been found on him at all.

 

Gil,

You may be interested in this:

There are two versions of Fritz's interview with Oswald in the DPD Archives. One is in Box 1 and another is in Box 15 of the old DPD Archives.

1) Interrogation, by an unknown author. Typed rough draft with handwritten corrections pertaining to the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), date unknown. This was in DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 15, Item# 1. Consists of 12 pages. This is the version of the Interrogation that has stenographer's notes.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217800#relPageId=546

On page 550 of the pdf file, there is a handwritten not concerning the bus transfer allegedly found in Oswald’s pocket

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217800#relPageId=550

Page 550.

This note was inserted into the Report concerning the interrogation that took place at 10:25 on Saturday morning.

2) Interrogation, by J. W. Fritz. Draft of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Photocopy) Poor Quality), date unknown DPD Archives, Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 111.

This consists of 13 pages. By starting new paragraphs as called for in the draft in Box 1, this version has been extended to 13 pages. You can also see the differences between page 5 in Box1 and page 6 in Box 15 where Fritz wanted language added about the bus transfer in Oswald's pocket. This tells me that the draft in Box 1 came first.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=217813#relPageId=157

(page 6 of the Interrogation, page 162 of the pdf file).

Steve Thomas

As far as I know, the right to freely travel between States is not guaranteed in the Constitution.

According to Alito, because that right is not in the Constitution, it can be taken away.

If I live in Colorado and want to travel to Wyoming, can the Wyoming State Police stop me at the border and tell me I can't?

The Commerce Clause guarantees the free flow of goods, but what about private individuals?

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

For a long time, militia members and other far-right crazies have been warning that a second civil war is coming.

I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how the geographical boundaries for such a split would be drawn. After all, you have liberals and conservatives in every state.

Monday, with the announcement of the Supreme Court's draft opinion on Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court laid out where those geographical lines will be drawn. In the Opinion, the Court said that it will be up to each State to decide.

States are already staking out their position, with States like Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas and Missouri passing even more stringent anti-abortion laws, even laws to prevent women from traveling out of state; and States like Connecticut, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and California vowing to protect abortion rights at all costs.

The Court has now pitted States against each other.

In one fell swoop, the Court has done what noone else could in the lat 50 years.

Steve Thomas

Fox correspondent: "States may put more restrictions on [abortion], but people have the right to leave. They can go live somewhere else where it’s more of a free-for-all and they could do whatever they want... it should be about choices WE want to make."

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1521885849067081735

And, so it begins.

Steve Thomas

On 5/3/2022 at 7:58 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

According to John A.:

Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed.

Steve Thomas seems to have the most expertise searching the Dallas Archives.  If he sees this, perhaps he can confirm.

Jim,

Pictures of Oswald's I.D, bracelet, and the Property Clerk's Receipt can be found here:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?q=Oswald+I.D.+bracelet&t=fulltext&sort=

The Kamisnky information I have can be found on Page 1 of this thread.

Steve Thomas

f you read Mary Bledsoe's WC testimony very carefully, she was confirming that the shirt the WC showed her, was the same shirt the Secret Service showed her a couple of days after the assassination.

Steve Thomas

22 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

According to John A.:

Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed.

Steve Thomas seems to have the most expertise searching the Dallas Archives.  If he sees this, perhaps he can confirm.

Jim,

Unfortunately, the Dallas Police Archives are no longer available (at least in electronic form). The digitizing was taken over by the Portal to Texas History at the University of North Texas Libraries.

You can find the Dallas Police Archives here:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKAM/browse/?start=0

I can't say that everything has been digitized yet, and the searching mechanism is a little different, but it's worth a look, their collection is pretty amazing.

While we're on the subject (sort of); in your post about how the two Oswald left the TSBD, which one of the two was stopped by Erich Kaminsky at the front door?

Steve Thomas

For a long time, militia members and other far-right crazies have been warning that a second civil war is coming.

I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how the geographical boundaries for such a split would be drawn. After all, you have liberals and conservatives in every state.

Monday, with the announcement of the Supreme Court's draft opinion on Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court laid out where those geographical lines will be drawn. In the Opinion, the Court said that it will be up to each State to decide.

States are already staking out their position, with States like Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas and Missouri passing even more stringent anti-abortion laws, even laws to prevent women from traveling out of state; and States like Connecticut, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and California vowing to protect abortion rights at all costs.

The Court has now pitted States against each other.

In one fell swoop, the Court has done what noone else could in the lat 50 years.

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Brett Kavanaugh lied under oath about Roe v. Wade during his Senate confirmation hearings.

 

W.,

I read that Susan Collins is shocked and amazed.

Steve Thomas

Made in Chyna

The tires on Russian tanks and heavy military vehicles are bursting and leaving the vehicles stuck in the mud.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10772127/Cheap-Chinese-tyres-bought-corrupt-officials-blame-Russias-stalled-advance.html"Russian generals are notoriously corrupt. Russia has a defense budget of around £60billion a year, but much of that budget is siphoned off at various levels,' an intelligence source told the New Zealand Times."

"'The impact of this is that the Russians are forced to buy cheap tires to fit on expensive armored vehicles, and they just don’t work.'

China's version of the tire is the Yellow Sea YS20, of significantly poorer quality, according to self-described 'tyre expert' and University of Chicargo academic Karl Muth.

A set of 50 Michelin XZL tyres retails on Alibaba at approximately $36,000, whereas 50 sets of the Chinese equivalent retails at around $208."

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Michael Crane said:

So,Oswald got off of the bus because of the traffic & then got into a taxi.Wouldn't this taxi be subject to the same traffic conditions?

Michael,

The bus was on Elm, headed directly for Dealey Plaza. The cab was a couple of blocks south of the Plaza and headed southwest - away from all the hubub.

William Whaley's testimony is here and he describes his route. You can cross reference it against Google Maps.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Didn't witnesses say the shooting occurred at 12:30 PM basing this on the sign/clock above the TSBD.  But, you will have a hard time proving that since I can't find any photos or films showing that clock at that time during the assassination.  There are some after the assassination.

John,

According to CD 705...

The first inclination on the Sheriff's Department Dispatch Tapes that something was wrong comes in at 12:30:40. All Units are ordered to report to the railroad yards.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=394

page 368

An unknown mike on Channel 1 of the City's Police Department Dispatches is stuck open between around 12:27 and 12:34.

On Channel 2 of the DPD's Dispatch Tapes, (the cars involved in the motorcade itself), Unit 1 (Chief Curry) orders the units to go to Parkland Hospital and get men on top of that triple underpass to see what's going on up there at 12:30

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=487

page 461

I guess I was wrong about the shooting taking place at 12:35.

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, George Govus said:

Bugliosi has Oswald entering the bus at 12:39. Craig said it was 12:40 when he saw a white male in his twenties run down the knoll from the direction of the book depository.

George,

That bus timing seems a little off to me, and I say that for two reasons:

1) Oswald supposedly got on the bus in front of the Rio Grande Building at 251 N. Field St. That is approximately 5 blocks from Dealey Plaza. JFK was shot at approximately 12L35 PM. It’s hard to see how Oswald could have walked those 5 blocks in 4 minutes.

For a discussion of Oswald and the Rio Grande Building, see this thread on the Education Forum:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23210-rio-grande-building/

2) According to the Dispatch Tapes, George Lumpkin had arrived at the TSBD by 12:49 PM.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

15 (Captain C.E. Talbert): “15 is at the scene. We... the building's the Old Purse Company on the east side of Houston. Somebody cut off the back side, will you? Make sure nobody leaves there.”

Dispatcher: “10-4, 15”

15: “15's in charge down here. Correction 5's (Deputy Chief Lumpkin) in charge.”

It was Kaminsky who Deputy Chief Lumpkin had positioned at the front door of the TSBD.

Portal to Texas History

[Report from Charles Batchelor to Chief J. E. Curry, November 30, 1963] Page: 43 of 70

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338584/m1/43/?q=Stevenson

pp21-22.

This matches exactly what Postal Inspector, Harry Holmes wrote in his Report of Oswald's interrogation on Sunday, November 24^th.

See Warren Report, Appendix XI page 636

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=660&tab=page

It has always surprised me, not that Oswald left the TSBD so quickly, but that he hung around so long.

Steve Thomas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10764433/Roger-Stone-backs-Elon-Musk-make-Twitter-place-free-speech-expression-honored.html

(Roger) Stone made a new (Twitter) account in the early hours of Thursday, telling DailyMail.com he wanted to see whether the platform would allow him back in the wake of Musk’s takeover.

‘I’m back b***hes… testing 1… 2… 3… ’ he declared in a 1 a.m. post under the new handle @RogerStoneUSA, describing himself as an ‘American Political Icon.

The profile amassed 80 followers before it was taken down around 11am and replaced with an ‘Account suspended’ message and the standard blurb explaining that the 69-year-old had violated Twitter rules.

Alas poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio'

Steve Thomas

Some Republicans planned to end democracy with Martial Law - the ultimate 'big government'

by Thom Hartmann April 28, 2022

https://www.rawstory.com/martial-law-2657230720/

“It was 58 years ago that Barry Goldwater proclaimed:

“A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.”

Republican advocates of “small government,” in addition to trying to pull the ultimate big government trigger of martial law in January of 2021, now also brag that they want to use the power of the governments they control to:

• Narrow your right to vote

• Imprison women seeking abortions

• Ban books

• Block efforts to green our energy sector

• Harass gay and trans kids

• Prevent minorities from having full representation in Congress

• Turn school boards into inquisitors

• Let utilities rip off solar customers

• Trash public health

• Put more guns in the hands of deranged mass shooters

• Purge voting rolls of Democrats and minorities

• Preempt local communities from protecting their own environment

• Reduce the accountability of police for violent behavior

• Ban gay marriage

• Allow state legislatures to overturn the will of the voters in elections

• Keep students in debt

• Hand Medicare over to the big insurance companies

• Increase hundreds of billions of dollars a year in taxpayer subsidies to the fossil fuel industry

• Terrorize refugee children

• Eliminate or turn most national parks into drilling and mining sites

• End environmental protections

• Thwart enforcement of food safety laws

• Destroy workers’ rights to union representation

Steve Thomas

In terms of their arrival on the scene, which came first, the bus allegedly carrying Oswald, or the Rambler that Roger Craig said he saw?

I have a feeling that it was the bus, but I don't really know.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Greg Wagner said:

Interetsting article in today's Cayman Compass:

https://www.caymancompass.com/2022/04/26/bullet-riddled-planes-and-a-suitcase-stuffed-with-cash/

Greg,

Fascinating.

Steve Thomas

I didn't realize that at 70 years of age, I was going to have to learn a new language.

Marshall law, Gazpacho police, kofeve, Troth Senshil...

Who knew?

Steve Thomas

The Insurrectionists Are Coming

by A.B. Stoddard

April 26, 2022 5:03 am

https://www.thebulwark.com/the-insurrectionists-are-coming/

“He (Kevin McCarthy) chose to protect Trump and punished those who told the truth about the president’s role. He is aware of the complicity of members of his rank and file in this attack on our Republic and is protecting them, as well. New revelations show he has lied about this. Not shaded the truth; not engaged in spin; not obfuscated. Lied. Flat out.

If he is promoted to be third in line to the presidency, he will lie about anything. In abetting Trump and his followers in Congress, Kevin McCarthy has emboldened them. True public servants, doing the people’s business, do not work to thwart or weaken the Constitutional order they take an oath to protect. Republicans who took part in, or dismissed, sedition cannot be trusted with control of our government because they will break it.”

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

 

Doris Holan from the second floor of her building was in a position to look down the very narrow driveway blocked by Tippit’s car and she said she saw another police car there (we think #207).  Mrs. Holan said she saw a man get out of the squad car and walk toward the dying Tippit. Our bet is that was Capt. Westbrook.

Jim,

That's a problem I have with the theory of Oswald being diven away from the Theater in Westbrook's car.

if Westbrook is driving a numbered car seen by Earlene Robert's at 1026 N. Beckley, and a numbered car at 10th and Patton, how did Westbrook wind up driving an unmarked car at the Theater?

Steve  Thomas

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

It does sound like Calloway’s description.  The 5’11” height matches Marine Corps records for, we think, American-born Lee Oswald.  On the other hand, a three inch difference in eyewitness descriptions is not a whole lot to go on. 

 

Also, Steve, you might want to fix your Mary Ferrell link above.  I had to remove “http://” from the start of the url to make it work.

Jim,

For me, it's the combination of height, but also the weight difference that makes it suspicious.

How you go from "slender" to 165 lbs is problematic.

DPD Sergeant Gerald Hill: We went on to the scene of the shooting where we found a squad car parked against the right or the south curb on 10th Street, with a pool of blood on the left-hand side of it near the side of the car.
Tippit had already been removed. The first man that came up to me, he said, "The man that shot him was a white male about 5'10", weighing 160 to 170 pounds, had on a Jacket and a pair of dark trousers, and brown bushy hair."

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_gl.htm

The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio was for a suspect 5"10" tall weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from.

The broadcast over the Dallas police radio fifteen minutes after JFK was shot was that the unidentified assassin was “5/10, 165 pounds...”

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/w...Vol23_0438a.htm

“Although confused commentators have claimed that Howard Brennan was the source, it's well documented that an "unidentified citizen" gave the above description to Inspector Sawyer after he saw someone looking like Oswald running from the Book Depository immediately after the assassination. The citizen did not comply with the sheriff's request to come to the office later to fill out a report, and Hoover said that the "sheriff's office can locate no record on this citizen".

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57753&relPageId=109

Even after the Warren Report was published, Hoover responded in November, 1964 to general counsel J. Lee Rankin's request that according to the Dallas police the information came from an ‘unidentified citizen’.”

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=72 -

Thanks for the heads up about the link. I was using my tablet to post early this morning, and I haven't mastered the art of inserting links yet.

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

John A. makes the case that on the day of the assassination, starting from early morning on,  Lee Oswald was wearing a white shirt and Harvey Oswald (the guy killed by Ruby) was wearing a brown shirt.  As you know, the original police dispatch describing Tippit’s killer was: "Last seen about the 300 block East Jefferson. He's a white male about 30, 5'8", black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt and dark slacks." (emphasis added)

Ted Calloway saw the shooter walking south on Patton and described him as a "white male, 27, 5'11", 165 lbs, 

CE 1974 (23H832)

http://https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=893
Pages 861, 863, 866 spanning the times of 1:22PM - 1:33 PM. Suspect is described as 5'8 and slender.

Page 868 Suspect is described by Patrolman H.W. Summers as 5'11 and 165 lbs He said he got his information from an eyewitness. This would be about 1:34 PM.

I wonder if Calloway was his eyewitness.

Steve Thomas

I can finally rest easy tonight.

I don’t have to be a conspiracy freak or a lone nutter, because JFK didn’t die in the first place.

I just have to get me one of them thar med beds

“Some QAnon sects have made med beds central to their conspiratorial claims. A Dallas-based group, which follows the Q influencer Michael “Negative 48” Protzman, has promoted med beds, in part because the devices address a plot hole in another conspiracy theory. The group falsely believes that John F. Kennedy is still alive and youthful, and attributes his remarkable longevity to the curative powers of med beds.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-qanon-conspiracy-involves-a-magical-bed-for-zombie-jfk

The queen of Canada swears by them.

Steve Thomas