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Mr. RANKIN. Do you have any recollection of whether there were one or more shots? Mrs. KENNEDY. Well, there must have been two because the one that made me turn around was Governor Connally yelling. And it used to confuse me because first I remembered there were three Mrs. KENNEDY. You know, there is always noise in a motorcade and there are always motorcycles, besides us, a lot of them backfiring. So I was looking to the left. I guess there was a noise, but it didn't seem like any different noise really because there is so much noise, motorcycles and things. But then suddenly Governor Connally was yelling, "Oh, no, no, no." http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z207.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z205.jpg John, the crescent/half-moon outline of Jackies pillbox hat will tell one something. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z208.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z209.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z210.jpg Just as will the "V" outline of the Motorcycle Cop's helmet when they look directly in the direction of JFK. Please excuse the backing up but "in the beginning" is a always a good place to begin. Sometimes, it brings into mind "Superman" questions as regards how fast is a speeding bullet, as well as exactly how fast can one turn their head. Not to mention the questions as to exactly how it is that a relatively "slow" moving vehicle could concieveably be travelling at a speed of approximately 28.69 MPH between two frames of the Z-film, yet only be travelling an average speed of approximately 10 to 11 mph through other frames.* *See "Altered Evidence & Vehicle Speed Analysis" In fact, one will find many, many questions of "speed" related issues throughout the Z-film. Such as how fast was cerebral tissue blow through the air and thereafter dissapate; how fast is a "head snap", how fast was one fall to the ground; etc; etc; etc;. Actually, such topics are certainly worthy of their own heading & discussion. Right David????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? certainly are a few I have in mind.....

Roger Ailes appeared on GERALDO's, CNBC show many times years ago. I suspect that's how Geraldo ended up at FOX (till he, Geraldo, was thrown out of IRAQ) a few back.

Tom, Quick question, regarding a final shot Z-35? what position would a present a better sight picture [in your estimation], Oswald's alleged window on the 6th floor, a window at the other end of the 6th floor, or directly above ? David

John Geraghty' wrote: Mr.Gillespie, I would like to propose that you show some more respect for other forum members and if you have a concern with one of their postings you should address the issue with a bit more gravitas. Several members, myself included have been insulted by your lack of tact in the past. Sincerely, John Geraghty Well, I'm not insulted.... gravitas? Lordy-be, they stop believing in the Shamrock, too!

'Thomas H. Purvis' wrote: 'David G. Healy' post='79110' date='Oct 29 2006, 04:37 PM' Tip Top Post: Hey David: Thought perhaps you were snoozing or something. Hi Tom, I'm in and out of town for the next few weeks, large project underway at the moment. Perhaps I can take a look see when I get back home... Nice to see you posting again..... David It was long ago fully demonstrated how the WC could make Z208 = Z210 (the "adjusted position") Someone other than myself like to demonstrate exactly how, say Z342 or so can actually be about Z357 or so? top post: excellent summary Tom...... Not sure I quite understand the aspects of the West Survey you're looking at. Your issue seemd to be a problem with the handling of the chain of evidence regarding these plans and their addmission as WC exibits. My problem is found within the lies of the WC and their misrepresentation of the facts as relates to the position of JFK at the time/impact of the shots fired in the assassination. Since you no doubt just got on board, then you are probably not aware that Time/Life started this survey work with Mr. West and he completed a survey plat for them on 11/26/63. Thereafter, survey work and a survey plat were completed for the US Secret Service during December 2, 3, 4, with the survey plat completed the 5th, and then additional survey work and re-enactment for the FBI was completed on 02/07/64. EACH and EVERY one of these surveys plotted an impact point for the first shot fired in the assassination. Yet the WC just could not determine this point, and in fact left us with 10 pages of circular reasoning as regards THE SHOT THAT MISSED and how it may have been the first shot fired. Without these surveys and their corresponding information, one is not even aware of the trail of lies which ultimately gave us the WC BS. Not to mention that they will never be able to progressively prove these lies. As a Surveyor I sure wish you would scan and post all the West survey plans and his fieldwork in their entirity in high resolution jpg or pdf. Can't see much of a reason why one wouldn't post them for all to see. Put the information out there. Maybe it's just me. I am looking at this from a different angle then you are, I think. I'm just a surveyor who'd love to use the West information to begin to make an updated digitized CAD plan of Dealy Plaza on my own. Not looing to make a dime out of it and I would post the resulting digitized drawing derived therefrom. You can create an exact digitized model of Dealy Plaza and get all kinds of information from. You could insert and scale photographs into the drawing for comparsions, check trajectorys all kinds of good stuff Just post the thing. West would want newer generations of Surveyors to build on his framwork. First off, you seem to be unaware as to exactly how many persons are searching for the answers to the questions of the JFK assassination. And, rest assured that many are doing so for the "big bucks" involved, as well as the personal fame and glory. So, let me assure you that there are those who would grab any such information and run with it, thereafter to claim it as their own work. Having already experienced this on more than one occassion, I long ago learned that the information must be delved out in a manner that all who care can gain access to this data. And, even though some of the "big boys" of the JFK assassination follow closely on this forum, there are also those completely honest persons such as Josiah Thompson, who deserve the final answers to the questions which their work brought out long ago. Having set in Mr. West's home in Dallas, TX on more than one occassion and discussed the survey work as well as the various re-enactments, as well as presenting Mr. West with that information relative to the altered survey data which the WC did and then introduced into evidence, I must assume that if Mr. West wanted the world to know then he could have provided the information himself. However, I also recognized that the County Surveyor position is also frequently as much a "political" position as it is a position of qualification. Personally, I would like to think that it was due to my open and honest discussions with Mr. West that he felt that I was even worthy of providing a safe haven for that information which he had, as he certainly went out of his way to locate and make a copy of everything which he could find, as well as tell me all that he could recall in regards to the survey/re-enactment work in Dealy Plaza. To include the garbage of what the WC did which ultimately resulted in what we see from their mouth now. When I also took the time to explain to Mr. West exactly what it was all about, not only did he then fully place the pieces of the puzzel together and recognize the WHY?, but he literally broke out in laughter at what he and his personell had gone through for the WC to further confuse the issue. The information as regards the survey work in Dealy Plaza as well as what it represents, has, for the most part been kept in my possession since then, with ONLY that information which I deemed necessary being allowed to "leak" out through sources such as Chuck Marler. And, it was not until such time as I found out of the death of Mr. West that it was determined to re-enter this gallery of rabbit holes and begin to re-introduce a few facts as relates to the assassination of JFK. Mr. West passed away a few years ago, and upon learning of his death I decided to openly begin to reveal those secrets which apparantly only he and I shared. As I made no attempt to place any restrictions on the information which I shared and/or gave to him as regards the assassination re-enactments and survey work, neither did Mr. West place any restrictions on me. And since he continued to live for many years after those early 1990's meetings at his home and telephone calls, then it is assumed that Mr. West could have openly provided ALL of the information which you ask for at any time that he so deemed. Were it not for the internet and the ability to share this information with those persons who came before me and made honest and rational attempts to resolve the issues of the assassination of JFK, then I would be out planting flowers or doing some other endeavor which is far more rewarding. However, those such as Mr. Thompson and a few others, have/had taken this subject matter as far as it could be taken at the time, and just as with the true background of LHO, it is now time to share the information with those who are not completely lost in the rabbit holes of multiple assassins and body kidnappings. It will take "history" a considerable time to absorb, digest, and understand the significance of the West Survey data and it's correlation to the lies of the WC. And, not unlike any learning proceess, one must understand the basics first. Already, on this forum, portions of this information have been reporduced and presented with completely false information, to accomodate and buttress the "multiple assassin" theory. So, the "complete" West Survey's will not be forthcoming, and just as I told John Dolva long ago, I certainly do not have the capability to scan or reproduce a survey plat which measures some 40" X 60" in size (the WC Survey Plat), and thereafter post it on the internet. And although much of the survey notes could be reproduced, they would merely become another "pawn" in the game of continuation of confusion by those who either intentionally or unknowingly continue to confuse the issue. The West Survey data is the single most factual pieces ('s) of evidence which exist that can prove absolute and intentional deception on the part of the WC. It is for a governmental investigative body to see as well as the general world population, at a time (if & when) the US Population is willing to cease to expend their monies on "Alice in Wonderland" theories/books/etc; on the assassination, and recognize exactly, the exact amount of wool that "Specter & Company" pulled over the eyes of the world.

top post: excellent summary Tom...... Not sure I quite understand the aspects of the West Survey you're looking at. Your issue seemd to be a problem with the handling of the chain of evidence regarding these plans and their addmission as WC exibits. My problem is found within the lies of the WC and their misrepresentation of the facts as relates to the position of JFK at the time/impact of the shots fired in the assassination. Since you no doubt just got on board, then you are probably not aware that Time/Life started this survey work with Mr. West and he completed a survey plat for them on 11/26/63. Thereafter, survey work and a survey plat were completed for the US Secret Service during December 2, 3, 4, with the survey plat completed the 5th, and then additional survey work and re-enactment for the FBI was completed on 02/07/64. EACH and EVERY one of these surveys plotted an impact point for the first shot fired in the assassination. Yet the WC just could not determine this point, and in fact left us with 10 pages of circular reasoning as regards THE SHOT THAT MISSED and how it may have been the first shot fired. Without these surveys and their corresponding information, one is not even aware of the trail of lies which ultimately gave us the WC BS. Not to mention that they will never be able to progressively prove these lies. As a Surveyor I sure wish you would scan and post all the West survey plans and his fieldwork in their entirity in high resolution jpg or pdf. Can't see much of a reason why one wouldn't post them for all to see. Put the information out there. Maybe it's just me. I am looking at this from a different angle then you are, I think. I'm just a surveyor who'd love to use the West information to begin to make an updated digitized CAD plan of Dealy Plaza on my own. Not looing to make a dime out of it and I would post the resulting digitized drawing derived therefrom. You can create an exact digitized model of Dealy Plaza and get all kinds of information from. You could insert and scale photographs into the drawing for comparsions, check trajectorys all kinds of good stuff Just post the thing. West would want newer generations of Surveyors to build on his framwork. First off, you seem to be unaware as to exactly how many persons are searching for the answers to the questions of the JFK assassination. And, rest assured that many are doing so for the "big bucks" involved, as well as the personal fame and glory. So, let me assure you that there are those who would grab any such information and run with it, thereafter to claim it as their own work. Having already experienced this on more than one occassion, I long ago learned that the information must be delved out in a manner that all who care can gain access to this data. And, even though some of the "big boys" of the JFK assassination follow closely on this forum, there are also those completely honest persons such as Josiah Thompson, who deserve the final answers to the questions which their work brought out long ago. Having set in Mr. West's home in Dallas, TX on more than one occassion and discussed the survey work as well as the various re-enactments, as well as presenting Mr. West with that information relative to the altered survey data which the WC did and then introduced into evidence, I must assume that if Mr. West wanted the world to know then he could have provided the information himself. However, I also recognized that the County Surveyor position is also frequently as much a "political" position as it is a position of qualification. Personally, I would like to think that it was due to my open and honest discussions with Mr. West that he felt that I was even worthy of providing a safe haven for that information which he had, as he certainly went out of his way to locate and make a copy of everything which he could find, as well as tell me all that he could recall in regards to the survey/re-enactment work in Dealy Plaza. To include the garbage of what the WC did which ultimately resulted in what we see from their mouth now. When I also took the time to explain to Mr. West exactly what it was all about, not only did he then fully place the pieces of the puzzel together and recognize the WHY?, but he literally broke out in laughter at what he and his personell had gone through for the WC to further confuse the issue. The information as regards the survey work in Dealy Plaza as well as what it represents, has, for the most part been kept in my possession since then, with ONLY that information which I deemed necessary being allowed to "leak" out through sources such as Chuck Marler. And, it was not until such time as I found out of the death of Mr. West that it was determined to re-enter this gallery of rabbit holes and begin to re-introduce a few facts as relates to the assassination of JFK. Mr. West passed away a few years ago, and upon learning of his death I decided to openly begin to reveal those secrets which apparantly only he and I shared. As I made no attempt to place any restrictions on the information which I shared and/or gave to him as regards the assassination re-enactments and survey work, neither did Mr. West place any restrictions on me. And since he continued to live for many years after those early 1990's meetings at his home and telephone calls, then it is assumed that Mr. West could have openly provided ALL of the information which you ask for at any time that he so deemed. Were it not for the internet and the ability to share this information with those persons who came before me and made honest and rational attempts to resolve the issues of the assassination of JFK, then I would be out planting flowers or doing some other endeavor which is far more rewarding. However, those such as Mr. Thompson and a few others, have/had taken this subject matter as far as it could be taken at the time, and just as with the true background of LHO, it is now time to share the information with those who are not completely lost in the rabbit holes of multiple assassins and body kidnappings. It will take "history" a considerable time to absorb, digest, and understand the significance of the West Survey data and it's correlation to the lies of the WC. And, not unlike any learning proceess, one must understand the basics first. Already, on this forum, portions of this information have been reporduced and presented with completely false information, to accomodate and buttress the "multiple assassin" theory. So, the "complete" West Survey's will not be forthcoming, and just as I told John Dolva long ago, I certainly do not have the capability to scan or reproduce a survey plat which measures some 40" X 60" in size (the WC Survey Plat), and thereafter post it on the internet. And although much of the survey notes could be reproduced, they would merely become another "pawn" in the game of continuation of confusion by those who either intentionally or unknowingly continue to confuse the issue. The West Survey data is the single most factual pieces ('s) of evidence which exist that can prove absolute and intentional deception on the part of the WC. It is for a governmental investigative body to see as well as the general world population, at a time (if & when) the US Population is willing to cease to expend their monies on "Alice in Wonderland" theories/books/etc; on the assassination, and recognize exactly, the exact amount of wool that "Specter & Company" pulled over the eyes of the world.

Regarding JFK; some of us old foggies (in the USofA) are still trying to solve the crime. The younger generation are looking towards this time in history, and the JFK assassination in particular and its relevance to today's current events. So long as free speech in America exists, the fight for truth will continue? Eh, who knows.... I suspect once the USA gets off it's "international white charging steed" or, the internet, as a platform for the ultimate all round debatinging society is seriously contained/controlled, the JFK assassination debate will probably recede to its rightful place in history, quietly, without a whimper. New generation or not!

Top Post B., In your travels through this evidence morass, have you run across a date [month,day,year] when the NPIC first evaluated the Zapruder Film? Thanks -- DHealy

Josiah Thompson' wrote: Thank you, Raymond Carroll, for your appreciation of my essay arguing that the photo evidence from Dealey Plaza forms a self-authenticating fabric. I continue to expect that additional studies of the acoustics data already in the can will confirm its validity. I'm not persuaded by the various attempts that have been made to critique Don Thomas' recent work. In any case, it was nice of you to read my essay and I thank you for your comment. dgh: yes, 40+ years have passed, the JFK assassination film/photo [and other DP related evidence] regarding the *slamdunk* WCR, is hotly debated. -- Some would say, "WCR as status quo" is in 'serous' trouble. Whether contributors are persuaded or not, is irrlevant. My compliments to Josiah Thompson for his very lucid article "Bedrock Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination. While the extant photos/films are indeed bedrock evidence, I fear the same cannot be said about the accoustics. Robert Blakey was a sucker for "Science" and Blakey himself has now admitted that, at least in the case of Dr. Guinn's bullet lead comparisons, he was suckered by Junk Science. I submit that, as of now at least, the accoustics should be considered as falling into the same category. Blakey wanted to prove that CE399 could not have been planted, so he bought into Guinn's ridiculous theory. He also wanted to prove that there were three shots from the TSBD, so he bought into the accoustics. The human ear cannot hear gunshots on the dictabelt, so we are left to rely on the opinion of experts. My best guess is that future studies will confirm the findings of the National Academy, and then there is no accoustical evidence of any shots from the TSBD

'Brendan Slattery' wrote: Skanks with too much time on their hands........and they are jealous! Hey look! It's Jack's personal sock puppet! sock puppet? that term got started on alt.vietnam.war USNET group about 12 years ago Gee, I'm impressed. Did they copyright it or something? What would you know about Vietnam other than being fragged? *************** dgh: nah, you ain't impressed beef-stick, you're one of them loser types from alt.vietnam.war, they're trying to save the republic -- place is full of miscreants and trolls looking for attention -- spend all day trying to defend the impossible, good intentions gone bad. And THAT'S, being kind! When your all grown up there's a few around here who can educate you about the Vietnam war, don't hurry back...

'Ron Ecker' wrote: It works, it shuts people up. Both sides use it. I vividly remember the TV commentator Mark Shields (don't know if he's still around because I've quit watching TV "news" and "commentary" altogether) defending Clinton from accusations he was involved in the Vince Foster death. dgh: he's still around, 6PM-Friday, PBS. Still does a 10 minute commentary segment with a Repub columnist. Sheilds and ?????? segment. Shields' indignant but reasoned and persuasive defense of Clinton: "ACCUSING the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES of MURDER!!!!!" That was it. Whoever the cohort was he was talking to of course sat there nodding his head in agreement at this logical rebuttal to the accusations.

The reason for the photograph rule is that it is an attempt to humanize communications. It was hoped that this would improve people’s behaviour. In Craig’s case this has clearly failed. This thread was started in order to persuade LNs to engage in intellectual argument. People like Craig and Brendan are only interested in insulting members who believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. When this thread started to disintegrate into personal insults I started another thread. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8202 However, it is clear that Craig and Brendan are not interested in intellectual argument and have ignored attempts to enter into debate. It is hard not to conclude from this that the main purpose of Craig and Brendan being on this forum is to stir up trouble. Several months ago when Craig was trying to defend Bush's corrupt activities he said that one of his main sources of income was from shares in Halliburton. Ok lets see John, First once again you have FAILED to answer a simple question? Why? What exactly do you have to hide? Mr. Black has no photo, nor does he have a BIO. Both are part of the membership rules you posted for this forum. You have failed to tell the entire forum why Mr. Black is exempt? In the past you have threatened merbers without a photo with removal unless a photo and or bio were posted. Again why is Mr. Black not required to post them, and why are YOU skirting the question. The irony here is wonderful. John Simkin, socialist, creating a protected class of people. Then you wrote this little ditty: "Several months ago when Craig was trying to defend Bush's corrupt activities he said that one of his main sources of income was from shares in Halliburton." I said nothing of the sort. I noted that I held stock in Halliburton, as do many citizens of the US. I also said I have made a profit from my investment. NOWHERE did I indicate what portion of my total imcome came from my shares of Haliburton stock. What we have is yet another example of a 'historian" re-writing history to suit some silly fantasy playing out in his mind. Simkins writing in no way reflect the reality of the actual exchange, which , if one is interested can be found in this very forum. Finally I'm NOT interested in silly intellectual arguments. My goal is simple. Point out the TRUTH about the various photographic claims made on this forum. Either you can handle the truth and then fit that truth into whatever worldview you hold, (which would be the intellectually honest thing to do) or you cant. It's pretty clear that a large part of the posting members of this forum fall into group two, the "I can't handle the truth" group. It appears the facts and the truth upsets these intellectually dishonest people. Too bad. dgh: Latterday - war profiteer? Haliburton? Hell, photogs aren't THAT smart - lest wise "newsies" aren't. You know, those that bring, deliver the unvarnished truth. The tards won't debate JFK assassination related evidence so they strike up the band with, "my mother made me post a picture here, where's yours?" ---lol, you've advanced the Lone Neuter cause about minus, -10 yards. KUTYGW! Not much doubt to what your presence on this forum means....

Jack White is a HACK of the highest order. His limited understanding of the photographic process has been exposed MANY TIMES OVER. All Jack has added to the study of the JKF case is DISINFORMATION. That he has fooled the likes of you speaks VOLUMES about your intellectual honest and critical thinking skills...you have none. But please dont continure "soiling" ourself, if that is possible. I've read enough from you to have your number. Apology to Jack White, not on your life. And BTW, I am playing by the letter of the forum rules which is far more than can be said for you. I've also posted links to my business website on this forum and that included my address and phone number. I've sent the miserable likes of Jack White packages with my name, address and phone number. You on the other hand are a complete mystery...since you are in violation of the posted forum rules...who is hiding? Moron. ~~ and the xxxxx keeps marching on ... ~~

Learn to read old man...Tink answered your question quite a few posts ago. Thompson wrote: "The professional photographer in Dallas who copied Mary Moorman's photo in 1967 was well-known in Dallas and, I think, was recommended by Patsy Swank and Holland McCombs, people I worked with on the LIFE magazine investigation in Dallas. I can't recall his name just now. I do recall that both he and Mary Moorman were paid to get the best copies we could possibly get. Why? Because one of the arguments in "Six Seconds" was the claim that an anomalous shape along the fence-line might be a gunman. For this reason alone, I took pains to obtain the most accurate, high resolution image I could obtain." Now how about doing some of the things that have been asked of you? Got the balls? dgh:sitdown you moron, that includes your balls too, if you own a pair -- questions relating to Dr. Thompson's post have been asked, you have absolutely no knowledge regarding the topic or thiongs related to JFK's assassination

'Pat Speer' wrote: A couple of corrections to Bernice's list... Ford was a congressman in 1963. He never was a Senator. He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck. The real question is why Arlen Specter, who'd seen the back wound on an autopsy photo and knew the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, never tried to have the drawings corrected and said nothing to the commission. And I have an answer to that question: he was an ambitious spineless coward. The head wound wasn't moved till 1968. The NPIC study was done for the Secret Service. dgh: Pat, do you have a cite re: the NPIC study was done for the Secret Service, [specifically? Or, are you assuming that conclusion from Doug Hornes interview with NPIC employees[/b]. Thanks -- David Healy The 210 and 242 approximations of the first two hits were made under the impression that the z-film was running at 16 frames per second. They were thus under the impression the shots were two seconds apart. Why two seconds? It seems clear they believed Oswald's rifle could be fired once every two seconds. In other words, they never concluded there was more than one shooter; instead, there analysis was built around a single-assassin from the get-go, even before Oswald had been killed. Burkley's placement of the back wound at the third thoracic level was not confirmed by the Parkland witnesses, as none of the Parkland witnesses, save a nurse many years later, made any statements indicating they even knew of this wound's existence. While Burkley may have simply said third thoracic based upon his own observation, the possibility he saw the face sheet at the autopsy, which places the wound in that area, seems m ore likely. As Burkley spent most of his time with the family, it seems likely he only took a passing glance at Kennedy, and deferred to the face sheet. There is certainly no report of Burkley making a close inspection of the body. When you look at the face sheet it is clear the drawing is inaccurate in the shoulder area. A mark in line with the shoulder is way too far from the head, and a mark the correct distance from the head is way too far above the shoulder. On the night of the autopsy I believe Boswell placed the wound--which was around T-1 T-2, in line with the shoulder. Later, when it became a huge issue, he placed the wound in relation to the head, effecvtively moving the wound onto the neck. A wound at T-1, as acknowledged by the HSCA, is still too low to be in line with a trajectory from the sniper's nest to the throat. As a result I feel the T-3 T-1 dispute is a non-issue. What remains an issue is whether the doctors deliberately lied to Rydberg when he created his drawings depicting the back wound 2 inches higher than T-1.

Answers? Pardon my frankness (pun intended), but you've GOT to be kidding me!! The number of "answers" I have is statistically meaningless when compared to the number of questions I have... However, I do want to point out that your original questions 17,18, and 19 are specifically related to the photographic record: I brought up this topic specifically because there are very few actual lone nutters (or, as you amusingly call them, "lone neuters") on this forum. However, there seems to be a notable willingness to incorrectly label people in different CT "camps" as such (or by any number of other pejorative titles). If we spend so much effort and release so much venom fighting each other, we will never be able to turn our collective intellectual guns on the real issues. Now -- so as not to derail the original intent of this thread, I add two more questions: (58) Why was an honest-to-goodness murder investigation using the accepted practices (evidence collection, evidence handling, investigative techniques and the like) NEVER conducted? (59) Why was jurisdiction illegally seized away from the Texas authorities? as for Lone Nutters on this forum, I respectfully put forth, there are more than you think. Quite a few, in fact. Wouldn't be a stretch for a few here to name 5 or 6 self-proclaimed CTer's that regularlly post (to this forum) that are indeed, LONE Neuter's... Been going on since the start of internet USNET boards. The questions were posted here, Frank for a simple reason, Lone Neuter's can NOT deal with WCR/eyewitness evidence [taken or omitted] that does NOT stand up to scrutiny... The guns (as you put it) have been on Nutter folks for 20+years, careers have been madeand supported because of denial.... nice addition to the questions by-the-way...

'Frank Agbat' wrote: John, It should be noted that there are those on this forum who label anyone who questions or does not believe photo/film alteration theory a "lone nutter." This line of logic is a fallacy (not too dissimilar from "you're either with us or against us"). It is entirely possible to be both a conspiracy theorist AND to believe that the photographic / filmographic record is intact. dgh: should also be noted there are no specific photo related questions in this threads originating post. Any answers to the questions you'd like venture, Frank? I am certainly in the "undecided/questioning" camp, yet firmly believe that a conspiracy took place. My addition to this list: (32) How was LHO able to correctly identify the parties who were standing in front of the TSBD just moments before the shooting if he was, as the WC states, on the sixth floor preparing to fire a rifle? Correct identification points more toward the veracity of the "in the lunchroom having a coke" statement.

.... thanks for the additional questions, the MANY, additional questions. be nice to see a few answers...

'Bill Miller' wrote: ... Unless Jack can show how Moorman's photo was altered in that short period, then at least one alteration claim is dead. Bill Miller nonsense, you nor anybody on this forum (posting or otherwise) can label the Moorman5 Polaroid photo under discussion, as "original". Till that is proven to the satisfaction of the "professionals", specifically professionals with Polaroid expertise can any, ANY detailed authentication be undertaken... Opinions of what 'photo/film' is and isn't, as commonly found on this forum as well as other's, becomes irrelevant, as do those posters opinions.

Skanks with too much time on their hands........and they are jealous! Hey look! It's Jack's personal sock puppet! sock puppet? that term got started on alt.vietnam.war USNET group about 12 years ago, trying to play with the big boys these day's, PR dude? Been a long way/time from Shrub standing on that World Trade Tower rubble with a bullhorn, eh? I feel your pain...

'Josiah Thompson' wrote: The professional photographer in Dallas who copied Mary Moorman's photo in 1967 was well-known in Dallas and, I think, was recommended by Patsy Swank and Holland McCombs, people I worked with on the LIFE magazine investigation in Dallas. I can't recall his name just now. I do recall that both he and Mary Moorman were paid to get the best copies we could possibly get. Why? Because one of the arguments in "Six Seconds" was the claim that an anomalous shape along the fence-line might be a gunman. For this reason alone, I took pains to obtain the most accurate, high resolution image I could obtain. The socalled "Thompson drum-scan image" was the result of that effort. I have maintained it in my custody ever since. As Craig Lamson pointed out, when I had it drum-scanned a few years ago I took stringent precautions to make sure the scanning process did not introduce anything new into the photograph. Jack White now comes along and claims either I or someone else has fiddled the evidence and produced a dishonest image. Dr. Thompson, from what I've read, I don't believe Jack is insinuating you did anything... do you have or can you tell us who the Dallas **professional** photographer was that copied the Moorman 5. Stringent precautions? Those might be? If you will, what "high-resolution" film format was the Moorman 5 initially copied to? Were you the only entity that had the high resolution transparency (I assume it was a transparency), or is/was it LIFE Magazines property? If LIFE, do they have a copy in their files? This claim is both insulting and self-serving. It is nothing more than sour grapes. Years ago, Jack White made a sloppy observation and jumped to a false conclusion. He claimed that the left front corner of the Zapruder pedestal lined up exactly with the bottom right corner of a window in the pergola behind it. If this were true, it would establish a line of sight to Moorman's camera lens. But White was sloppy. He claimed the two points lined up when they didn't. A significant "gap" is apparent in the good detail of the drum-scan image. "significant gap..is apparent", apparent to whom? Nobody else has seen this "original image copied from the Moorman5, now called the 'Thompson drum-scan image [transparency?]. Some have seen a .tif file claiming to be a electroinc file of same, hell, that could of come from anywhere. What is just as important is that this gap is also visible in every other image made from the Moorman original. Years ago, White failed to see the "gap" and jumped to a conclusion. For years now, he has been truying to save face by claiming no "gap" exists. Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting a simple mistake of observation, White claims that other people (including me) are guilty of a conspiracy to fake evidence. If White will simply produce his highest resolution copy of the Moorman photo, everyone can judge whether the "gap" is there and we can be done with yet another controversy caused by a mistake of White's. I think a better suggestion, and the "honorable" thing to do: gather all original DP JFK assassination related photography to one place, make all the ORIGINAL film/photo imagery available to researchers for a period of 2 years, validate it, then move on. Josiah Thompson [...]

'Craig Lamson' wrote: Shanet...thanks. While on this subject, maybe we can get Lamson to come clean (confess?) who did the PHOTOSHOP alteration to his beloved DRUMSCAN Moorman. Someone (who?) SHARPENED THE TOP OF THE PEDESTAL AND TILTED IT A LITTLE TO INCREASE A PERCEIVED "GAP". Maybe Lamson knows who did this. Jack PS...back in the 80s when I did the TILT-EASEL discovery on the backyard photos, NOBODY had computers. Lamson implies I should have used computer controls to do this instead of such a "primitive" method. More rectal smoke. Have you used up your bag of xxxx yet Jack, the walls are getting all covered in the slimy goo but nothing is sticking. dgh: appears Mr. Lamson forgot what forum he's posting to While we are at it, why not show us all a nice big and clean scan of YOUR copy of the Moorman original...in the area of the gap. Of course we all know you will NEVER do that because it will disprove your ignorant claim that the drum scan has been retouched. We all also know that you use the zippo simply because the quality is soooo bad. So come on Jack, step up to the plate and post your copy of the moorman orginal...nice and big in the ped area....You got the balls old man? dgh: there he goes, AGAIN! You really can't read can you Jack. I suggested that Shanet use the computer NOW, not that you shOuld have used It way back in the dark ages. But while we are at it, why don'T YOU redo the tilt easal thing using the computer. You can prove once and for all that you are right. Just be sure to record all the information so we can all verify your work. You don't have the balls for that one either. dgh: and yet, AGAIN

Craig, the original photo was sharp ... at least when you talk to people who know its history. By the time Mary's photo was being looked at in 1978 - the photo's clarity was badly degraded. The film Mary used didn't show grain, but it is possible that the copy print used had grain, but the problem is that there are parts of the photo in those prints that show little grain and grain on film should be uniform - correct? If the latter is true, then what you think is grain may not be grain at all. The drum scan was made from a copy negative that was shot out of focus, which means that it is not a good source for knowing what was seen on those original UPI prints made on the afternoon of the assassination. I have worked with many assassination images and in all my experiences, I have been able to show that what someone thought was a person was never really there, while I have never been able to create an image of an individual out of nothing. Bill Miller you've come a longway, since the good old day's, eh? --- I recollect a few instances, when you could create things in trees nah -- never mind... that was before Photoshop, yes? <quote on> I have been able to show that what someone thought was a person was never really there, while I have never been able to create an image of an individual out of nothing. <quote off> makes perfect sense to me, LOL

that's what I love about Lone Nutter's; they love a great conspiracy -- ROFLMAO!