David G. Healy

hey dude, if its good enough for Josiah Thompson, its good enough for you -- let's see your likeness, or are you a Lamson.... post your picture...

where's you photo Colby? Or are you Colby?

Craig Lamson Oh yes..the hacks have had at it...Fetzer Costella, Four Arrows et al. The debunking of Fetzers falsehoods and downright lies are here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/ I agree with Fetzer on one point...do the reading and the research yourself and come to your own conclusions. _____________ your last sentence in your post above [finally, one beyond the 3rd grade level] a few of us can agree on-- thank you -- I'd also add, when future research is complete covering the discussed subject matter (and I certainly don't expect any from Lansom) please post with document cites supporting your theses pro and/or con... Lets see what these armchair pros are made of, shall we? The NTSB posted their results, Fetzer posted his and his teams -- we await yours and what's his name Colby's [retired attorney or is he the guy who sells souvienrs from Brazil, can't keep track of these newly risen pillars in research community] If the best you can do is point to NTSB findings ONLY, and can't take the Fetzer/Four Arrow/Costella findings point-by-point, displaying contrary support evidence, I hear nothing more than .john McAdams WCR supporting clone type rhetoric ... shall we see what you're made of... or will you be relegated to the 'noise maker hall of shame er, fame' peanut gallery? Everyones a "hack" according to the Indiana drygoods photog. Gott'a love America, those without Wellstone subject matter credibility, overnight, become experts on his death, not to mention, additional incidents covering murder.... truck on Craigster... one should sell internet streaming tickets... if you had something, anything to show that wasn't thrown about here as opinion... so make a point-by-point case, who knows, I might learn something... Hell, you might get a book offer!

Len Colby dronned on: [...] Didn't I tell you he'd urge to buy his book! have you read the book Mr. Colby? For that matter, any of the books? [...] Why did I say about him impugning the intelligence of those who disagree with him? First Pat and now Steve! Wow Jim you sure aren't doing yourself any favors! Tink and Bieter always said you were unpleasant! have you read the book Mr. Colby? For that matter, any of the books? Or are you depending upon Dr. TINK'S review (tsk-tsk) He called me an idiot too! But now I'm classified as disreputable! as Gary Ag infers--- Warranistas abound... quite frankly many whom call themselves CTer's are nothing more than simple 'liars', protecting positions proferred by the WCR -- where do you fall Mr. Colby? Original research, covering, shall we say, difficult events a bit tough for those on the "right" these day's? Have a nice day, oh - tell Dr. Tinster and Dr. Gary Ag their 399 work is excellent, worth a on-camera interview probably, GaryM? Len

Post your original research/studies to a website (please provide the url) Evan. I'm sure the hubcap collector will participate. Official statements might go a long way, too -- then we'll discuss the merits of you and your teams efforts, PRO and CON -- till then, noise, nothing but noise..

Gillespie dronned on: "I do not have personal real conversations with assholes." by JACK "...saying things that they would not dare to say in a personal face-to-face setting." also by JACK I would have thought the above to be an attempt at satire or irony if I hadn't known better by experiencing the speed bumps that Jack's exquisite prose places in the way of cogency. But this is so often what we get. Here's a guy using the 'a' word and decrying a lack of civility at the same time. Then he says things he wouldn't dare say face-to-face while at the same time accusing others of saying things they wouldn't dare say face-to...well, I think you get the picture. dgh01: NO, I for one don't get YOUR picture -- the term asshole would be considered 'civil' (in some circles) when it comes to what JWhite has suffered from his 'research' critics -- assholes like you haven't a clue. Attempts, not just threats have been made on his LIFE... getting the picture, newcomer? The Progressives are good (great, actually) at the double standard. They're also good at getting angry at you real quickly (but it's SOOO righteous, you see, and YOU are to blame) and to get personal and nasty, as above. I refer you to any of the more recent Nic postings. Once these people have exposed themselves they hate you even more because of their own self-loathing and because they know you're on to them. So, AHEM! That's about the extent of expletory spillage you'll get outta ME, guys. dgh01: if you got anything worthwhile JG, were 'a waitin... "And you David - you just like posting in the forum. You don't seem to add anything to the topic being discussed..." by Evan Good call, Ev Man! This place reeks of THAT sort of thing as well. Touche. I still like perusing the topics but one has to wade through way too many Davids, Jacks, Nics, Pamelas et al - those who , literally, have never done anything meaningful outside the womb of academia and have absolutely NOTHING to offer but a continous stream of nonsense not worthy of teenage girl chatlines; the trading of drivel full of sound and fury and signifying...you guessed it. dgh01: I anxiously await your first publication JG and remember 3 page coloring books DON'T count - btw, you forgot Ev's pal, you know, the hubcap collector from San Mateo, whats up with that? Yesterday I saw perhaps the most outrageous and gratuitous speculation that I have yet encountered. It was on the Tippitt slaying sub-topic of the JFK assassination "debate", posted in January by something called Dixie Dea. dgh01: Dixie has probably forgot more than you'll ever know about the investigation, for an old fart, you show no signs of wisdom - you don't have a clue about who is who in the research community... Mr. Dale Myers wrote a very admirable book on this subject - one of the best investigative works I have ever read - entitled "With Malice." Originally, I thought that those placing messages in the wake of the Dea posting would have cringed had they read that book. But then, obviously they WOULDN'T have read the book. They got just what they wanted (Earlene Roberts And The Amazing Honking Horn, among other things..incredible, simply beyond belief!)...after all, sometimes a great notion. dgh01: JG for your benefit most of us have had dealings with Mr. Myers and his work, especially over the last 10 years, his animations are the source of contention, hardly anyone pays much attention to the Tippit killing -- you need to ask questions before you show ignorance Hey, progressives, listen up! An FBI report (I'll get you the specifics tomorrow) revealed that fibers from the discarded jacket matched fibers from LHO's shirt worn at the time of his arrest. Try this and be done with it: Oswald didn't kill JFK but he DID kill Tippitt. I would have, too, under the circumstances. It was the smart thing to do. Being unable or unwilling to accept that notion tells me there may be an agenda at work. Just a wild guess. Check out the Dixie Dea thing, Evman. It is symptomatic of what one must scroll (what a euphemism, that) through: declarative statements absolutely shot from the hip for no other reason than the posters simply WANT to believe them and feel good in the process; those who think they have some sort of license to dispense garbage as if it were wisdom, a la Jack; wild theory put out for its own sake and a bizarre insistence by the practitioner that he or she somehow has a voice to be heard on serious matters. They're up past their bedtimes. Ok. I'm starting a new topic on Jonestown at this junction. If you haven't read what I am going to attach, then you are in for an enlightened ride (Jim Hougan on that trail). dgh01: with the uninformed posting this kinda nonsense, its no wonder why TGratz appears intelligent --so, JSimkin you can remove my response or edit it at your will - I certainly don't want to offend uninformed reich-wing sensibilities around here, roflmao You go, guys. dgh01: go where, they're already here? Oops! Maybe your the bench warming watercarrier for the varsity team?

Tim Gratz wrote: A man respected by all Forum members, G. Gordon Liddy [...] ____________ must of missed that endorsement by all Forum members, can you point to that, please! Thanks...

Thanks! Pat 2 posts and you have already been subject to "The Wrath of Fetzer". Welcome to the club! That is Fetzer's department! I haven't looked into it but I don't think that Manchurian Candidate kamikaze pilot mind control exists yet. The stongest evidence for pilot error is the track record of the 2 pilots. Since Conry was one of two pilots that Wellstone requested [Wellstone appreciated the fact that he also did not like flying in bad weather] and Guess was only chosen as co-pilot because the company's first choice did not call them back - it would be hard to theorize that the CIA or whoever arranged for them to be the pilots. It does not sound paranoid to me I just don't think it fits the facts. I would not put such a thing beyond right-wing extremists but I don't think they would have been able to pull it off. Also the same logic would apply to the Bush Junta, if they wanted a Republican to take Wellstone's place killing him after he was [re]sworn in [if he actually won] would have made much more sense than before the election. I wouldn't liberals are not as ruthless as the right. Not yet. I hope this doesn't sound close minded but until Fetzer or someone else presents me with a sliver of credible evidence I am not looking specifically for something I don't think exists. Research is often neutral, one does not know what they are going to find. The more I research the case the less credible such ideas become. In a similar vein I am not going to waste my time looking for evidence for "theories" such as intelligent design, Holocaust denial, the moon landings were faked! Indeed many rightwingers did criticize Fetzer, with good reason I hate to say! Unfortunately they painted all liberals with the same brush. As you said "the real battle for America's heart and soul is no longer on the nightly news, which is bland as rice wafers, but is on the internet" this is why I think unfounded paranoia from our side should be avoided. Most people have a"boy who cried wolf" mentality. Every such book makes it that much harder for liberals to be taken seriously by moderates. I couldn't agree more. What I think is especially telling is that not only does he find Salandria credible but he expects others to do so also. Fetzer also believes that the Dallas Historical Society and the city's parks department are participants in the JFK cover-up, the WTC collapse was a demolition job, a missile [not a plane] hit the Pentagon and that we probably did not go the moon. No wonder he finds a Holocaust denier like Bollyn credible! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's cut to the chase -- when's your book being published, Mr. Colby?

It is a good comparison. The people of Pompeii got adequate warning when Vesuvius began erupting in 79 AD. However, thousands were killed by poisonous gases or by the falling buildings. Why? The rich got out but insisted on their slaves staying behind to protect their homes from looters. The vast majority of people killed in New Orleans were the descendants of slaves. They were not ordered to stay but they lacked the necessary funds to get out. Like the US government, the Romans believed in charity rather than a state run welfare system. One would have thought we would have made some advancements in 2000 years but in some countries that does not seem to be the case. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Corporate Welfare in America far out strips 'Social Welfare'. Those that believe Social Welfare runs rampant in America need there heads examined -- To those that post in support of, 'the rise in social welfare, might they post the latest US census figures regarding said rise in "welfare rolls" -- translate that to a % of the Gross GDP and compare same to 1980/1990 figures...

Gratz wrote: [...] alkl [...] __________ alkl?? English please.

T.Gratz wrote: [...] I notice none of the "blame Bush" crowd has answered my questions about responsibility of the mayor for his failure to evacuate his city. ____________ your questions are irrelevant - Shrubs answers and FEMA responses are MOST relevant. Heads are going to roll, the GOP is on its way out! The WH, The Senate and, the HOUSE. Perk up, Tim! When's that mid term election again?

Tim Gratz wrote: [...] the problem was created in the first place by the failure at the local level. ______________ kinda like Bhagdad, right?

There's considerable wavyness in the right side of the .gif animation. Clealy visible in the tree limbs. It consistently appears throughout left side of the animation ... the format these frames came from appears to be compressed NTSC videotape frames, the animation is compressed yet again, when posted... how you, Needham or any other film/photo researcher can determine these images display someone behind that wall is beyond me -- I'm sure it's not beyond BM [he'd do me the same favor ] -- BMiller, who at onetime specialized in creating .gif animations... btw, that Josiah's way of saying: thanks, but no thanks!

I see you haven't lost your magical touch .... roflmao! Some things NEVER change p.s. whatever happended to the revision of 6 Seconds we heard so much about, few years back? DHealy

Tim Gratz wrote: [...] Makes my debate with Robert Charles-Dunne pale in comparison! ___________________ Ah, praytell, what debate was that? as for JosiahT: Welcome Dr. Tink, we can discuss the Z-film anytime you like... I promise not to bring up the GANG!

No politics - No blame, here. Just talk shows and newsreel footage -- And a whole lot of GOP Dancing around the issue. Think Rep. Billy will be switching back to the Democratic party anytime soon? When's that midterm election again? No blame here, I suspect the Black Cacus might feel a bit different... Karl, oh, KARL! Where are you?

Mr Gratz, I do believe you have FEAR for the Grand Old Party pucker up -- Karl Rove will think of something, SOMETIME...

The GOP is in major damage control Ms. Carrie -- there is NO political sqabbling, unnecessary dead are NOT impertinent opinions -- if the current GOP leadership below the Mason Dixon Line/Wash D.C. don't wake up ... When did you say that next election was? What is FEMA, again? Who might fall on their sword tomorrow?

Thank GOD for a Repugnican, by-the-way, best let Rumsfeld know he looks like an idiot in that suit cheering on the troops... Shrub has met his Waterloo...Where-oh-where is the Christian right? Ya know, the M O R A L majority? Truck loads of water sitting on a freeway in the south, won't move till authorized, all the 'authorizers' are posing for photos while townspeople need a drink of potable water -- you got a world class cluster f*** underway, Mr. Gratz! How will Karl Rove, ole buddy, fix this ONE? F E M A? What's FEMA?

Mr. Svoboda I respectfully suggest, this natural disaster WILL become a political football, as did the 9/11 tragedy and the aftermath -- to many horrific pictures are out the now [which I'm sure the current administration would like suppressed, try shutting up the Jesse jacksons of the world -- better yet, How about the coalition of black congress folks, of which there are PLENTY - as demonstrated by their Washington D.C. press conference yesterday]. Whether the current administration dragged it's feet or NOT, is immaterial, they're [the GOP-Repugnicans]in the majority, hence, in charge. Makes not one wit of difference here in the states who wrote WHAT, WHEN or WHERE above - what is, IS. Only the naieve believe it won't be politicized, GB got a lot of breaks after 9/11 from the "so-called liberal media", don't expect that ,this time. Keep your chin up though, it'll be over when the next crises pops up or the current adminstration leaves office, or we can find someone, anyone to impeach... Wanna emmigrate? David Healy

Jack, Question, are either of these two guys 'offical NASA spokespersons', capable of speaking to and of NASA photo library? I'm not sure about Evan, hell he may be a pilot or a baggage handler, who knows -- this Heagney from San Mateo (a nice place, I lived there for 10 years, grew up 10 miles north of there) he collects and sells hubcaps, I expect he's a amateur photg at best - I'd questioning anyone sanity that cruises Hwy 101 looking for hubcaps -- so my question is: why bother with them? They certainly don't know the difference between EVIDENCE and a STUDY... For what its worth I wouldn't bother answering ANYTHING from those camps...

TGratz wrote: I have THE answer, John. [...] _____________________ yes you do, it's called NOISE

throwing aside Michael Moore may be foolish -- what did his last documentary garner at the box office, how many appearences did he make on National TV, how many copies of the DVD are out there - how does that number compare to the MPI DVD? Moore's distribution contacts is worth how much? His PR organization? His web presence? Academy Award? Who cares what the peers think! You'll need a thorughly vetted script if you expect some on this forum to take the project seriously. Having access to a NLE and a few software packages, although good doesn't make a project of this type a slam dunk.. Look towards 30K-80K as a licensing fee re the Z-film, depending on broadcast disribution and how much used in the project. Yes, approval cycles can be a pain. I suspect regarding the material under consideration, you'll get little response from the Z-film copyright holders and/or their assigns. Selling DVD's with same incorporated into the piece? Well -- be prepared, it'll go higher, maybe much higher. You can contact Gary Mack at the 6th Floor Museum -- evidently his organization handles request of this type... he does lurk hereabouts though - he may contact you... we're use to hijacked threads here, btw. Do much 'compositing'? David Healy

I found out recently that the wife of one of my long-time friends (who is not part of the JFK community, by the way) is Lifton's niece, so the world is not as big as one might think. While reading Lifton and Mantik has taught me a lot, I'm perplexed by Mantik's assertions that the JFK evidence, if not altered, indicates an open-and-shut case for one shooter firing from behind. This indicates he believes that a SBT involving the back wound in the autopsy photos imakes sense, which he KNOWS is not true due to his CT studies. These studies showed that a bullet entering the back anywhere near the location shown in the photos and exiting from the front of the throat would pass through the spine. I can only speculate from this that Mantik was seduced by the evidence for alteration and consequently over-stated its importance to the case. I believe one can prove conspiracy without insisting that the Z-film, x-rays or photos have been altered. If either of the Davids want to debate me on this issue, and thereby defend the SBT and the contention that the red spot in the cowlick represents a bullet hole, I'm game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that debate. Why perplexed by the assertion "if evidence is NOT altered..." The Warrenistas and Commission - Report has spouted same forever... Personally, I think its 2 shooters from the rear, 1 the front and some assassination related evidence appears altered -- the question is WHY alter the evidence? I'll be speaking with both David's in the near future - I pass on your remarks... David Healy

what-a-morass, thanks Jack White - John Armstrong - Tom Purvis for your efforts...