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I particularly enjoyed the part of the above article which says that Gary Mack changed his name from Larry Dunkel to Gary Mack (probably way back in the 1970s sometime).
Unless I'm mistaken, that name-changing declaration will probably come as a big surprise to some conspiracy theorists, who I think have asserted in the past that Mr. Mack had simply MADE UP the name Larry Dunkel in order to pose as a different person when discussing the JFK case.
The CTers will still say that by using the name Dunkel, instead of Mack, it still served to "hide" his true identity. But I just think it's kind of funny to find out that Dunkel is Gary's REAL name--and Gary Mack is, in essence, a FAKE name. Interesting irony there, isn't it? :-)
It never ceases to amaze some that Bugliosi bought into your internet "PR expertise" whilst he was looking for assistance promoting his mega-flop "block busting" boat anchor **Reclaiming History**... You best sitdown before you exhaust yourself holding up Gary 'the-Dunk' Mack's jockstrap... Carry on, son!
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The gibberish from varnell continues, along with the 'overselling'. You are infamous cliffy! ROFLMAO!
You are so much fun to watch when you are in full and total meltdown.
Focus on the thread topic, son. Lest of course, you're finally, at a loss for words.
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Playing fun little games, eh Daniel? How nice.
You must be feeling neglected son... or perhaps this thread is moving a little fast for ya?
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who is Robert West?
Robert West is the surveyor who did much of the calculations for the re-enactments.
Robert West was interviewed over several days by Tom Purves. His account of those numerous meetings reads too authentically to be hyperbole.
Robert West made two observations to Tom Purves:-
First:- On May 25, 1964, he returned into Dealey Plaza in order to acquire additional measurements, and he observed members of the Warren Commission re- enactment engaged in cutting and removal of limbs from the live oak tree that is located directly under the sixth floor window of the School Book Depository Building.
Second:- These personnel had secured a “bucket lift” truck and were in process of cutting and removing limbs from the uppermost branches of the live oak tree that is located directly under the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository building.
I do not know the meaning of this cutting of branches.
But first it was done on the 25th.
And second it was carried out by members of the re-enactment group.
Though I find this an interesting point and do wonder just why, if as you claim, the re-enactments had been concluded by the 24th, that the re-enactment group felt it necessary to cut these branches.
What for me is much more important is the validity of the angles from the gun to the stand in model, as displayed in your posted images. I have no problem with the distances from the Oswald window, I concur with those. What interested me was Tom Purves, who was the first researcher to interview Robert West and gained access to his survey files for the recreations. A fellow researcher generously gave me a copy of the Robert West survey files so I am able to check through these data values. Anyway Tom made a point that he felt that the relative heights of JFK and the stand in may differ by a margin that invalids these angles. My work so far supports him and it may indeed be greater than the 10 inches that the FBI wrote into their calculations.
If I can prove the heights from the road to the top of the head of the two differ by more than 10 inches then it means that the angle at Z225, say, which is defined as 20º 11’ may well strike the body ---- but unlikely to be where the Commission states. I know the WC did not suggest Z 223/4 as the point, but that is now the modern interpretation of the Single Bullet Theory.
So put simply. If I can establish that the relative heights differ by enough to invalidate this angle then surely that also invalids the Single Bullet Theory. I am not saying that a trajectory angle of 20º 11’ would not strike the body, what I am saying is that it will not strike where it has to strike.
Let me just add this: Unless you, James Gordon, are prepared to perform the kind of detailed ON-SITE reconstruction of the shooting angles and measurements that was performed by the Warren Commission and FBI from the exact window from which shots were fired at President Kennedy, then your calculations and measurements are always going to take a back seat to the WC's conclusions about the angles and measurements, in my opinion.
David that is such nonsense. When making the trajectory projections Shanneyfelt did not use the Robert Frazier position, which very closely modeled how the Oswald gunman would have fired. Instead Frazier was sent to the Zapruder pedestal who direct while he Shanneyfelt used the Camera gun. The WC trajectories derive from the camera gun, which has no reality to how the gunman, be it Oswald or not, would have been positioned to fire.
Do you really support and agree that the Shanneyfelt trajectories represent how the Oswald gunman would have been firing.
The problem, with all due respect, is that the Shanneyfelt trajectories are nonsense. His position bears no reality to the Oswald position.
And your point is that this kind of recreation represents quality in recreating what happened on that day. Well that is not my opinion.
James, what methods are you utilizing to try and prove the WC wrong? I hope photogrammetry is involved. Otherwise, you've got major problems (if, that is, you're attempting to extract 3D information from two-dimensional photographs, which cannot be accomplished without photogrammetry being used).
I have created a scaled model of Dealey Plaza using Cinema 4D. I also have a perfectly scaled model of the JFK car. I have been doing some trajectories these last few days and have been astonished at the accuracy of the model. Ratioing figures for 222 and 225 I have been able to generate a distance figure for 223/4 which I calculate at 190.2ft from the Oswald window to JFK’s back. To be honest I had expected my model to be out. It was not the same. That was replicated at 230 + 236 + 313. I am pleased that I agree with CE 884, though I am also astonished. And this is why I query these trajectory angles, because I am not getting those angles.
Unlike Dale Myers who used closed models I am using anatomical models. Yes I have lost identity [ like Myers had ] but I have verification. The viewer can verify that where I state a position is, it is indeed there. With the Myers models we had to take his word that where he stated the wound was, it was indeed there. I am not suggesting Dale Myers is lying, I would not do that, but I am saying the viewer cannot verify his data.
In the last couple of weeks I have been able to establish when John Connally was wounded, and can verify it. And it was not at 223/4. And, by using anatomical models, the viewer can verify that the trajectory pointer is as described by Robert Shaw in his medical documentation.
I am aware that there are many who will dispute my findings, however by using medical models it is going to be much more difficult when verification is also part of the process
I am also able to demonstrate, from a medical 3D perspective the reality of the a theoretical bullet passing through JFK. Well actually I will be showing how it could not do so.
I am not frightened by you comments, I believe my work will cause quite a number of headaches.
James.
I suspect you've just sent a wake up call to Dale *see my EMMY* Myers, which mean D.Von Pein is trying to figure out what this all means, which means Craig Lampoon Lamson is making a phone call to Gary Mack and Dr. Tink Thompson..... and the beat goes on....
Good Luck James Gordon... I for one await your test results.
David Healy
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been there, done that, got the tee shirt...
No one with a even bit of sense thinks you have anything of substance to offer.
Ya can't even tell us what generation Z-film you've studied, and provide proof as to that lineage. Till then hon, you're whistling in the dark, even the Tinkster can't help. What you got dude, is O-P-I-N-I-O-N! That is IT...
You'll be mowing that Z-film lawn for the next 20 years (if your lucky). Carry on!
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Get back to me when you have purchased your first clue. As it stands you are clueless.
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and look whose calling the kettle black. Come on now, gett'er in focus! LMAO!
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DVP, can you refute this:?
"I urged strongly that we not reach conclusion Oswald was the only man." -- J. Edgar Hoover.
I love that quote from J. Edgar, because it destroys the notion that Hoover was "in" on a cover-up and a "Let's Frame Oswald As The Sole Assassin" plot.
What's to refute? I love it.
Plus:
uh-huh right... that's like you saying you're open to other shooters in Dealey Plaza, give us a break, willya!
Hoover conspired with LBJ to cover up the murder of JFK on the streets of Dallas, Texas Nov 22nd 1963. There is no other answer.
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Simple... for an up-to-date (2013) analysis concerning case disposition.
Bill Kelly -- case background, deep evidence background
Jim DiEugenio -- organize all materials-write-conclusions, present in written form
Doug Horne -- Documents-WCR conclusions
David Mantik -- Medical evidence-conclusions
Harry Livingstone-David Lifton-John Costella--The Zapruder Film, various topics
and considering the Dallas hardball nature of the 50th anniversary, and despite what you think of him (whom of course needs a bit of polish, this is not a popularity contest after all) Dr. Jim Fetzer as the face and public presenter... no one, no one is more *ballsey* and dedicated in finding the truth concerning the murder of JFK. (keeping him on topic and point well, may prove a bit challenging)
David,
Jim Fetzer now struggles to generate credibility within the research community and many of us know he has very little outside of it.
There are now only a handful that are standing by him, and it is a small handful. His reputation, for most of those who did respect him, is now in the tatters. His reputation for those who have never trusted him is simply an opportunity to say, "Told you so."
He should be kept far away from proceedings in November, IMHO.
Hardball Lee, HARDBALL! For what it's worth, the research community (for what that's worth) has struggled for 45+ years, there's only two folks that have rolled right over the WCR and its supporters, Mark Lane and Jim Fetzer.
His Fetzer's reputation btw, isn't fazed much outside of the so-called, JFK research community. Point being, what is the so-called research community trying to prove? Conspiracy or NO conspiracy murdered JFK? No one up to this point has carried that water but Mark Lane, period.
Frankly, I could care less concerning the "I told you so's".... simple turf wars which of course lead no where, perhaps, exactly what some want, eh?
There is enough documented evidence to blow the WCR conclusions out of the water (we've known that for years), so, what's left to do? It's a pure PR-presentation game now... the question is really, how do you advance that PR game? What do you think the Dallas 50th anniversary is all about? PR, baby. Erasing the stigma Dallas has suffered for the past 50 years.... nothing more!
So who can the conspiracy research community trust to carry counter WCR conclusions to the public? Another well informed, well meaning researcher-writer? Nope!
There is no more need 'preaching to the choir'!
David
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Simple... for an up-to-date (2013) analysis concerning case disposition.
Bill Kelly -- case background, deep evidence background
Jim DiEugenio -- organize all materials-write-conclusions, present in written form
Doug Horne -- Documents-WCR conclusions
David Mantik -- Medical evidence-conclusions
Harry Livingstone-David Lifton-John Costella--The Zapruder Film, various topics
and considering the Dallas hardball nature of the 50th anniversary, and despite what you think of him (whom of course needs a bit of polish, this is not a popularity contest after all) Dr. Jim Fetzer as the face and public presenter... no one, no one is more *ballsey* and dedicated in finding the truth concerning the murder of JFK. (keeping him on topic and point well, may prove a bit challenging)
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Thanks for the careful answer.
yes, a VERY careful answer.
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Too easy, Craig.
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I see Indiana's flash-in-the-pan is selling *bending of light* again.... LMAO!
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That definitely sounds like the likes of Paul May or someone like that trying to make us sound goofy.
Paul May (aka Jason Burke and Mark Ulrik amongst many others...) him? Impersonate someone else? R-O-T-F-L-M-F-A-O! ! ! ! Keep up the good work Jim DiEugenio! I caught your interview, sounds like Noory actually enjoyed as well as READ your book! That's a huge plus for our side of the fence....
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Instead of buying into oversimplified name-calling, and false association with Morningstar, perhaps you’d be better off re-reading and understanding the detailed analysis set forth in BEST EVIDENCE.
DSL
7/29/12; 5 pm
Los Angeles, California
'tis the best the current, whipped, lone nut faction can do... 10-to-1 no plastic surgeon will venture forth here, not even an opinion. Best Evidence is still as solid as can be!
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Ultimately, the film does more harm than good ( and yes I know the film was a major reason for the HSCA).
ahh, more harm than good, you say? Simply brought to the attention to the world, the JFK assassination, I'd say that was MORE than enough "GOOD" for openers.
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David, Craig? Is it possible to copy an undeveloped 8mm film ? If so how true would that copy be and how long would the process take?
copy through film transfer undeveloped exposed 8mm film? No.
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According to Carl Bernstein, Jackson was "Henry Luce's personal emissary to the CIA". He also claimed that in the 1950s Jackson had arranged for CIA employees to travel with Time-Life credentials as cover. Does this include the CIA activities against Castro after the "Bay of Pigs".
David Lifton points out in The Great Zapruder Film Hoax (2004) that: "Abraham Zapruder in fact sold the film to Time-Life for the sum of $150,000 - about $900,000 dollars in today's money... Moreover, although Life had a copy of the film, it did little to maximize the return on its extraordinary investment. Specifically, it did not sell this unique property - as a film - to any broadcast media or permit it to be seen in motion, the logical way to maximize the financial return on its investment... A closer look revealed something else. The film wasn't just sold to Life - the person whose name was on the agreement was C. D. Jackson." Jackson published individual frames of Zapruder's film but did not allow the film to be screened in its entirety.
Soon after the assassination Jackson also successfully negotiated with Marina Oswald the exclusive rights to her story. Peter Dale Scott argues in his book Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1996) that Jackson, on the urging of Allen Dulles, employed Isaac Don Levine, a veteran CIA publicist, to ghost-write Marina's story. Levine is an interesting figure. Born in Mozyr, Russia, Levine came to the United States in 1911. As a journalist he worked for The Kansas City Star, The New York Herald Tribune and The Chicago Daily News. In the 1930s he worked for the Hearst papers as a columnist. He edited the anti-communist magazine Plain Talk from 1946 till 1950, before joining the CIA front, Radio Free Europe. Levine also provided testimony to the House Un-American Activities Committee, in the case against Alger Hiss.
I don't know what C D Jackson arranged with Marina (via Isaac Don Levine) but, as events played out, Marina made her contract with Priscilla McMillan. I forget the details of how Priscilla McMillan out manuevered Levine (et al); I think it was a matter of her just flying down to Teas, knocking on Marina's door, getting to now her, etc.
However it happened, Priscilla ended up getting the exclusive contract with marina, worked with her intensively, and the book was published in 1977.
DSL
seems to me this Priscilla ?, is the same lady that interviewed Oswald in a russian hotel room, around the time of his "defection", correct?
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The battle is over, you fought the good fight--Rest in Peace Jack.
David Healy
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Dino Brugioni was also an expert at what went on in his facility, Mr. Lamson. Perhap the high altitude of Indiana is effecting your judgements.
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ya gotta do what ya gotta do, Tom. I will say you're the only mod here with ability and reasoning powers. Further, the day I stop questioning folks and their forum-USENET usage, motive AND agendas will be the day CT's discover the motives and agendas of those in trust, re Nov 22nd 1963, Dallas, Texas events.
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One of the problems, I sometimes think, is that members are only able to form overall opinions of each other by the posts that are made.
And those written words are generally confined to a topic that borders on obsession (to a widely varying degree) for many.
We may think that a person that posts only occasionally or briefly is shy in the real world too, when in fact the opposite might just as well be true.
That person may actually be quite gregarious and loquacious. With their friends and family, or even strangers, that person might be the life of the party.
If someone's posts seem logical we might presume that logic governs the rest of their life. But who knows?
We may form a low opinion of someone who we think can't see the forest for the trees, yet insults us individually or collectively. It can be damn hard not to respond in kind.
For all I know, David von Pein might volunteer at a soup kitchen or help widows across the street.
I have heard others say that Jim Fetzer is a generous man, generally an admirable quality. I'm sure that in many other arenas of his life, Jim Fetzer behaves differently than he does here.
I do think that this Forum tends to bring out the best and worst of almost everyone's ego, mine included. I know there are exceptions.
Although I still tend to think that you can tell a lot about a person by what they write, it might be good to keep in mind that things are not always exactly as they seem.
In a setting like this there is always going to be much more about a person than meets the eye.
AMEN, Michael....
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Hi Evan, I think what you meant was clear to most. The short answer is a long history in which his "method of debate" has always been the 'you're either with me or you are against me' mentality ... and if you happen to be in disagreement with whatever he is espousing at the time, there is something wrong with you personally .... and he makes that loud and clear incessantly. You are suspicious, an intel op, stupid, unqualified, dishonest, and one of the greatest sins of all is that you obviously haven't read all of his wonderful materials as he has told you to do so it is no wonder you are so stupid. Unfortunately, many of his friends, for whatever reason, went along with him and lauded his behavior. Until it happened to them.
But in the last few years, there have been several who put their foot down about something, stuck to their guns, and the result has been a few quite public falls from his grace. The most recent example is one case. There were a few during the Judyth Exile thread, perhaps most notably the quite public "divorce" from Jack White who was deeply hurt, but to Jack's credit, he stuck to what he believed was right, and in the Limo Windshield thread, Doug Weldon. Both, as well as several others did do exactly what you asked about ..... saying 'on this we disagree, let's just leave it at that and move on and keep it on the evidence' and some, like Greg, as I recall, asked for an apology.
It only works when *both* parties have the ability to do that. Fetzer, in my 15 or so years experience with him, has never demonstrated that ability. It seems apparent to most that he doesn't even listen, read or consider what the other party is saying .... he just pronounces himself right and there is something wrong with anyone who does not agree so he just repeats himself over and over and over. I got messages from a few different people during those threads from people who told me they didn't know how they could have ever been so blind and were just devastated at the loss of what they had thought was a real friendship with Fetzer. They felt so used.
It is sad really .... not just because people, including Fetzer, get hurt, but because whatever anyone believes about any element of the case, if we could step back and consider things from the other guy's perspective, we could all learn more and just maybe actually resolve some issues and move things forward.
As someone I admire once said, if you keep at people long enough, they are eventually going to respond in kind. And I think that is one reason this thread you started, the question you asked, and people's ability to vent a bit, is important. Thank you for that. I hope we can move on to a better place in this crazy arena, and have important rigorous debates that attack evidence, not one another on a personal level, just because they disagree.
Bests,
Barb :-)
nonsense... play nice? do you for one second believe the WC "debated" evidence that wasn't in full agreement with the preconcieved position that LHO was the lone gunman?
There are some that feel this "quote" method of debate "un-quote" is a war, a war that began with the cold blooded murder of the president of the United States on the streets of Dallas Texas Nov 22nd 1963, resulting in the long down hill slide into obscurity and **failure** this country now faces.
And this on Memorial Day 2012? Such-a-farce!
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you know Douglas, we ALL live under a death sentence, the wise understand and accept this, even Mittless Romney, I suspect. Obama won the who is gonna get Bin Laden chase... Whoever becomes the next president becomes the essence of our collective fears, hope, discontent, wants, leanings and biases. That very discontent exposes our shortcomings, to all... there are no conspiracies, Douglas hence no organized crime!
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the uncorrobrated claims of Larry Sinclair, who is less credible than someone pedling a "kosher" bacon-cheeseburger
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ROTFLMAO!
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http://www.counterpu...f-barack-obama/
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“His warmth can be deceptive. Tho he speaks sweet words and can be open and trusting, there is also that coolness—and I begin to have an inkling of some things about him that could get to me.
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Michael Dickinson lives in Istanbul. He can be contacted via his website http://yabanji.tripod.com
"could get to me...?", "coolness?", yeah, damn right, he can give the order to blow away a two-bit, murderering terrorist.... my kind of president.
Gary Mack Explains
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by David G. Healy
all lone nut excuses, won't change one simple fact: the WCR report has failed, failed miserably, pure utter nonsense! Even a KFC maven like you can't change that.... Aren't you glad Ben Holmes doesn't post here? LMAO!