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Did anybody read Cynthia McKinney's report from the scene, attempting to deliver humanaterian aid?
Hi Bill....
Good article -- I think Cynthia McKinney can do nothing less than she's doing. I respect her decision to do what she thinks is right. At this particular time, I believe she's wrong.
David
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and who cares what the Red Cross has to say, they're not a political organization, they help clean up the mess....
Right. Those who call it a "mess" as long as they are someone else's dead and wounded children do not care. Others certainly do.
indignation, righteous or otherwise will not stem the flow of violence. Nor will the IRC...
Neither will apathy, crying "there is no solution," or shouting "GO ISRAEL! GO!!" (sis-boom-bah!) The reason what the Red Cross has to say on the subject is important is BECAUSE they're not "a political organization" -- they have no stake in the SIDES you mentioned earlier...... If they're being blocked from providing humanitarian relief, and criticize the party doing the blocking, their voice carries much authority.......at least to ordinary human beings.......since it's a humanitarian and moral issue rather than a political or military or ideological or religious one.
No solution? Another handwringer comment!
IRCs' authority extends to the 'closet' port of entry to the conflict, from then on their admittance to the theater is up to the belligerents.... If the IRC wants to work in GAZA, that's Hamas responsibility, it's their territory. Don't expect Israelii operations to halt because of casualties (of any sort).... What do you think this is, soft ball?
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and who cares what the Red Cross has to say, they're not a political organization, they help clean up the mess....
Right. Those who call it a "mess" as long as they are someone else's dead and wounded children do not care. Others certainly do.
indignation, righteous or otherwise will not stem the flow of violence. Nor will the IRC...
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who cares what the Red Cross has to say
Eureka! the answer was right there in the article posted above (#46)
"The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded," the international Red Cross said. "Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded."The ICRC normally conducts confidential negotiations with warring parties, and the statement was a rare public criticism of one party to a conflict over a specific incident.
Like I said who cares what the Red Cross (international or not) has to say? They're not funding or supporting either the belligerents.... so, make ready their funds, equipment and personnel. Most, I suspect, comes from the good old USofA...
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'John Simkin' wrote:
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... if I was the grandfather, father, brother or son of those people being killed by these Israeli attacks, I would become a militant willing to use violence against the invaders. I suspect 99.9% of the members of this forum would make a similar decision. That is why Israel will never gain a permanent peace by acting in this way. It is why Hitler was not successful in his attempt to destroy Jews and communists in the 1930s and 1940s and why the United States and its allies were not successful in Vietnam and Iraq. For every terrorist/freedom fighter you kill, you create several more.and Hamas and Hezbollah try to destroy the Jews AND Israel (as history [near and ancient] show, have been on the receiving end more than a few times)....
and further, I DOUBT there will (ever) be permanent peace in the area.... wishful thinking by do-gooders...
There is also the issue of proportionality. The UN estimate that about 800 Palestinians have been killed since Israel launched its military operation on 27 December. Thirteen Israelis have died so far in the conflict (most of them from accidents and friendly fire). The UN also report several incidents that indicate serious war crimes have been committed. The International Red Cross has also accused Israel of failing “to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded."Proportionality? In a war for survival? You have to be kidding me... and who cares what the Red Cross has to say, they're not a political organization, they help clean up the mess....
The situation is similar to the situation the UK found itself with the IRA.dgh: hardly, the UK was not around when the old testament was written.
An official source in Israel commented today: Hamas is responsible for the current situation (including Palestinian civilian deaths)! Evidently, when the citizens of GAZA rid themselves of Hamas, then expect peace. Which of course means, NO peace!
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Nevertheless, not too bad when one takes into considertion that I got up at 3:00AM to get Barbara off to work; then got her daughter off to work; and then got her three grandchildren off to school.
Actually, I am far too old for this S**t!
nah.... you're not too old for this....you're doing just fine. Tell me though, HOW do you get all those women OFF to work and school, and on-time I presume?
David
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I have about a week of internet access left and I'm not gonna spend it arguing with educators. So I'll return to my original point:
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you looking for a donation, Daniel? Or simply retiring, West Bank perhaps?
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Israel should carry on doing EXACTLY what it needs to do, PERIOD!
David,
I'm deeply disappointed by your comment (if you ever care).
At the end of my life, if I will have the chance to find the time to look back,
there will be one thing I will mostly be proud of, that is; not having sided with
tyranny regardless of its reason or source.
an excellent position Cigdem, unless of course you and/or yours become victim of tyranny or terrorism. Siding seems to be a spectator sport these day's. Seems a bit one-sided here these days....
Care? You have no idea...
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For that other "great" evaluator of the photographic evidence. Don't suppose that you would put in a good word for me
in order that I too could wear the crown of the "illusustrious" and coveted "Mary Ferrell Award".
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Gee, I wonder who? LMFAO!
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Both sides are at fault in the long history of bloodshed over there. That said, what practical alternative did Israel have in responding to Hamas rocket attacks? A plea, "Please stop attacking us?" An offer to go out of existence and go back home to - wherever home is? What?
Israel should carry on doing EXACTLY what it needs to do, PERIOD!
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What does everyone thing of Leon Panetta's appointment to head the CIA?
I thought that he did a great job for WJC (I wish that he, and not his boss, had been POTUS).
I have also always found him to be very bright and a genuinely likeable fellow.
This is an interesting pick, because I would have expected someone from the CIA or military to fill this position.
Leon Panetta is from Silicon Valley (San Jose, Ca.) He's probably more hep concerning technology (defense and commercial) of the day than anyone in Washington DC. A great choice in my estimation. A nice guy too boot!
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One who expouses the virtues and truths of the Warren Commission; is in possession of sufficient evidence to completely cast doubt on these truths; does not recognize and learn from the knowledge; and is then so stupid that he post on the internet, for all the world to see, exactly how little he actually knows on the subject matter.
That folks, is the sign of an ignorant man, ergo "BONEHEAD of the YEAR" award to Mr. Von Pein!
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Tom
He doesn't know much about the book publishing biz either.....
Not that you need my second, but I thought I throw it in for good measure. Mr. Von Pein, for those unaware, was the internet PR expert recruited by the Vince Bugliosi crew (you remember him right?) promoting via the internet the following: Reclaiming History by Vince Bugliosi (and evidently DMyers. 2 incarnations) net result: the book publishing debacle of the century.
The book was such an utter publishing failure, one wonders why Tom Hanks (and HBO) beat a path to Vin Bugliosis' door buying the author issue television/film rights. Keep up the good work Mr. Von Pein (amongst your OTHER aliases).
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Although I still doubt that Obama had any direct culpability in Blago's trying to sell the seat, it will be interesting to see how the evidence unfolds.
Obama is releasing the results of his investigation next week, which means that he may try to bury the story around Christmas.
Time will tell to see when and how he discloses such findings.
Of course I think that Obama, through Rahm, pushed hard with Blago for Jarrett.
But I doubt that Obama did anything illegal.
In any event, Blago personifies the political culture in which Obama was a key player for the last 10 or so years.
Imagine that a black politico out of Illinois dealing with a Chicago slum-lord.... I think I'll write a book! LMFAO!
Say didn't the Chicago newspaper declare bankruptcy? One last print fling before the bytes take over, eh?
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Sorry to have "dropped out" for so long, folks. First, due to federal budgetary cutbacks, I lost my job as an in-house security guard at a world famous scientific institute in San Diego, then on September 22 my adoptive father (friend of "Brute" Krulak) passed away, and THEN three weeks later my '85 Mercedes 300D Turbodiesel with only 170K miles was literally "nailed by a narcoleptic" while I was waiting at a red light. Got another job (this time as an armed security guard), finally settled with the insurance company and bought a nice used Camry with a five-speed manual transmission! Still grieving over my Dad, however. Thus the copious amounts of cheap red burgundy and all the Pall Malls....
"Back in the saddle again,"
--Thomas
sorry to hear about your Dad, Tom. Not to mention the 'other' losses. Bunches, they only come in bunches! As far as the burgundy goes, anything other than Ernest and Julio GALLO will do!
Take care,
DHealy
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JFK assassination film hoax: The blood mistake
Why I am qualified to respond:
I have testified as an expert in crime scene reconstruction and bloodstain pattern analysis in over 30 judicial districts in the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida; including US Federal District Court. I formerly headed the Forensic Investigative Unit for St. Charles Parish of the Louisiana Sheriff's Department and prior to that was second in command at the Lafayette Parish Metro Forensic Unit which served eight parishes. Presently, I am retired yet still do limited consultation for attorneys and law enforcement officials. When I retired I allowed my professional memberships expire. However, I was a member of the International Association for Identification and acquired the Certified Senior Crime Scene Analyst certification. I have served on IAIs subcommittee for bloodstain pattern evidence, and have presented at international and state conferences for that organization. I was a member of the International Association of Bloodstain Pattern Analysts and the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction.
I am recognized as a Bloodstain Pattern Analysis course instructor by the International Association of Bloodstain Pattern Analysts and the International Association for Identification; and have taught that field of investigation to law enforcement agencies and at police academies for over 20 years. I have published 15 articles in peer reviewed journals, and given lectures at national and international levels. I published my findings concerning the Kennedy Assassination on the web originally in 1995 and have yet for one expert in my field to review my work and find my methods in error.
Based upon my training and experience I feel I am more than qualified as an expert to address the claims made by the web page.
Hoax Claim:
More recently, scientists have discovered that there is something else about the shot to JFK’s head on the forged film that is fake—and can be proved to be fake: the spray of blood that appears at the moment he is shot. Film experts had noted that the “blood spray” in Frame 313 looks like it has been “painted on” and then exposed onto a genuine strip of film. But what tells us that this “blood” is fake is the fact that it disappears into thin air! If it was real, the “blood” should spread out in the frames after Frame 313, and then land on people or objects in the car. But within a couple of frames, it disappears altogether:
The graphs show that the “spray” disappears within three frames, or one-sixth of a second. This can’t happen! Even if you dropped a lead weight from JFK’s temple, it wouldn’t drop into the car this fast! The scientists were also able to show that the “spray” could not have been moving so fast that it shot right out of view before Frame 314.
If it was real, the “blood” should spread out in the frames after Frame 313, and then land on people or objects in the car. But within a couple of frames, it disappears altogether: The graphs show that the “spray” disappears within three frames, or one-sixth of a second. This can’t happen! Even if you dropped a lead weight from JFK’s temple, it wouldn’t drop into the car this fast!
My Response:
Unfortunately, we are not discussing lead weights. The blood is being forcefully expelled from the wound and is traveling at a higher rate of speed than that of falling velocity. Since 1983 I have been actively involved in the study and recreation of bloodstain pattern created as a result of high velocity impact. This type of analysis is founded in physics and mathematics and based on the study of research performed by many criminalists. Therefore, it satisfies one of the main criteria for evidence analysis specified by the courts - that the evidence has as its basis in sound scientific methodology. Data collection for the analysis was accomplished by shooting through a variety of samples of whole human blood at a series of distances and with a wide diversity of projectile calibers.
Videotape is used to capture the results of the bullets passing through the bloody targets. The blood used in all cases is whole human blood. The videotape used records 30 frames per second. The video utilized approximately 4-5 frames to capture the forceful impact pattern when a low velocity, large caliber projectile with a high KE rate impacted a large volume of blood. This means that partiular pattern was created in its entirety in 1/6 of a second. Faster projectiles resulted in patterns that were created in less than 1/6 of a second. The Zapruder film was recorded at 18 frames per second. If blood is observed in 2-3 frames that would mean the pattern was created and dissipated in a time frame of 1/6 of a second or less. A time frame consistent with patterns created with a high velocity projectile.
Another criteria for evidence analysis specified by the courts is that the analysis used have the ability to be duplicated. This test for the speed of a spatter pattern being created and disipating can be duplicated by placing a video camera at a 90 degree to a bloody target. Fake blood in a sponge secured in a small zip lock bag will work, since all liquids respond in the same manner to forceful impact. You can attach the bag to a pole or other upright item. Hanging a dark surface behind the target will provide better viewing contrast. Use a high velocity projectile to shoot the target. Count the number of frames it takes for the spatter to be created and dissipate.
Hoax Claim:
The scientists were also able to show that the “spray” could not have been moving so fast that it shot right out of view before Frame 314. But even if the blood could have, where would it have ended up?
It would have gone all over the Connallys, and the windows and interior of the limousine. But a frame published only weeks after the assassination, in color, showed no blood at all:
My Response:
It is amazing that the writer of this article would not consider there were other methods than viewing a single frame of the Zapruder film to determine if blood was present either within or outside the Limo. Especially when there are numerous statements documenting blood being deposited both within and outside the limo. A google search for limo images will result in several photographs of the limo containing blood. One such photograph can be seen here: http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/limo/ce353.jpg
Here's one of the limo exterior being cleaned at Parkland Hospital http://jfk.iefactory.com/hechos/limohosp.jpg
Additionally, there are many statements of witnesses that indicate blood was found outside the 2 frames in the Zapruder film:
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Work that asked to be taken seriously must be researched in depth to assure all facets of the matter in question are considered. When addressing an investigation you can not enter the investigation with a pre-disposed idea and search for supporting evidence. You must uncover and expose all possible information and then form conclusions based upon your findings. The information contained at this page of JFK assassination film hoax is incorrect in its scientific basis. They are guilty of not doing sufficent research on their subject of blood spatter. There are numerous books available at public libraries, and for purchase on the web, that address this subject and support my statements here. Additionally, good research should have indicated a need to determine if witnesses had made statements concerning deposited blood.
I encourage all researchers to thoroughly investigate this subject to help them in determining the validity of the Zapruder film. And I encourage the writers of JFK assassination film hoax: The blood mistake to reconsider the contents of their page because it's their mistake.
Review of work posted at http://www.assassinationscience.com/johnco...ntro/blood.html
Costella, Fetzer, Tink, Craig and I are members of a Yahoo group where I normally just lurk (and even then skim most posts) but since Costella started posting there I brought up this error. Though he replied his reposes didn’t answer Sherry's debunking of his erroneous claim. Though he gave me permission to repost his reply here it’s easier just to provide a link.
Ms. Sherry Gutierrez has a long way to go extracting 3D blood evidence from 2D source namely, Zapruder Film/Nix Films.
What with the "rolling crime scene" (the Presidential limo) leaving the Elm Street crime scene (DP). BEST GUESS looms, not BEST EVIDENCE -- nice try, but no cigar! Even Dale *LIGHTWAVE* Myers can't help here....
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Has anyone ever seen the test shots Zapruder filmed in Dealey Plaza before the assassination?
many here have, they're available on the net.... if Jack White spots this thread perhaps he can send along a link (if that's what you need)
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Have you read Covering the Body? In it, the author, Barbie Zelizer, as her doctoral thesis in journalism, argued that, in essence, the press has put itself forward as "the" authority in the Kennedy assassination since, after all, they were "there" and you and I weren't. She went on to cite the various instances where press attacked the Garrison investigation as well as Stone's JFK film because it didn't jibe with their own perceptions of the events that they were "participants" in, even if only as observers ... as if, if you will, someone riding in the press bus could actually tell that it was Oswald who fired the shots and that, by "knowing" this, they can also know that nobody else participated in the killing with him. It's a rather compelling argument, no pun intended (but effective nevertheless!).... I think because we are still trying to figure out his role in all of this, and if we figure out his role, it could lead to the identity of the actual perpetrators. The more I learn about Oswald, the more I doubt he was part of a plot to assassinate the President and was simply used as an unwitting fall guy in the plot.... The Warren commission report was successful because at a time when the country needed answers and assurances, the report provided them, and the press sold it to the public. The WC report was never designed to try to solve the murders, and in as such isn't keeping the cold murders from being solved or pursued. It has no jurisdiction in Texas. What keeps the murders from being solved is a lack of named suspects and witnesses who can identify them, no? I mean, I've never heard or read of a named suspect (other than Oswald) in the Tippit killing.
I think you would be arguing against the historical record to suggest that the WC was intended to salve rather than to solve. You do not read or hear about any of the former Commissioners or their counsel arguing that "we told you what you wanted to hear;" they - and those that argue their point of view - state unequivocably that not only did they "answer all the questions," but also provided all the answers. No stone was left unturned; no question left unresolved; it was the most intensive, thorough, complete and comprehensive investigation ever undertaken by the United States Government in any form or fashion up to that time.
The only equivocation the WC itself offered that its investigation fell short of a solution to the crime is that it "found no evidence" of conspiracy, which of course morphed into the fanciful claim that since it "found" none, effectively then there was none.
And so the press "sold" it, in many cases repackaged under its own umbra. While for a period following Watergate, many of those whose notions of government wholesomeness was eroded by the antics of those - I almost hesitate to use the word - conspirators in those activities actually supported the HSCA's formation, exactly unlike it supported (and actually undermined) Garrison's actions that ran counter to their own.
HSCA's failure to perform publicly until its own Final Report; to pursue all leads until closure; or to reach a final conclusion - opining that the assassination "most likely was the result of a conspiracy," but failing to define or pursue it on its own (which, of course, it could not) left as big or bigger a void as the WC may have in the first place: the WC was at least certain in its faulty findings; the HSCA equivocated and left if for someone else to fill that void. For the purposes of the US press, the HSCA might as well never have been formed; Zelizer argued that it "opened more questions than it started out to answer," was thus "ineffective," and thereby marginalized by the press: whatever it may have added to the discussion, for the purposes of mainstream journalism, it never existed.
What keeps the murders from being resolved is thus, in part, the fault of the media which does not want its authority undermined or repudiated: if they say that Oswald did it and did it alone - and can you name a single "mainstream" production that suggests otherwise? - then he must have, and to suggest otherwise is anathema to the authority and legitimacy of the media.
The media has jurisdiction everywhere: when Dan Rather hauls Walter Conkite out of his coffin to once again reassure the nation that "the Warren Commission got it right," there are millions of people watching; when a Posner or Myers or Bugliosi upholds the mainstream's point of view, their book is hailed as a "monument" upholding the truth. When you or I or Mark Lane or Harold Weisberg or E. Howard Hunt on his supposed deathbed tells us something different, it barely - if it even does at all - deserves below-the-fold mention on page 52 of a 50-page newspaper. What is "jurisdiction," whether or not the legally prescribed entity to pursue a legal recourse believes there to be such recourse, if the non-jurisdictional media decides to try the case in print?
When Garrison named Shaw, et al., as conspirators, he was taken down in the press; when the trial showed "a conspiracy," though not necessarily involving Shaw, et al., it somehow "proved" that there was "no conspiracy" involving anyone. When the HSCA could not define it, and the Justice Department failed to take up the gauntlet of further investigation thrown down by the HSCA - and indeed provided additional argument against any such conspiracy - it underscored the non-existence of conspiracy, named or unnamed. The "mainstream" considers Garrison a fraud, the HSCA a non-entity.
And the beat goes on.
There are at least six likely conspirators in the crime against Officer Tippit who are still alive today. That none was in any way identified in, for example, a "show-up" is only because none were brought into one; the opportunity never arose to so identify them by eyewitnesses. Would they have? It's a guess, but it's also a possibility. Their further lack of identification may simply be because, to date, the conspiracy was successful in what it intended to do, namely to not only do the deed, but also to shield the names of the participants from investigation.
I wish I could think of the journalist who, at the end of a no-conspiracy show, that the lack of evidence attests to "the fact that there was no conspiracy ... or that it was a very good one," which I submit is ultimately the intent of any conspiracy and any murder: to not be discovered. It's even easier not to be discovered when nobody wants to look for you and in some cases, hopes nobody ever finds one. What credibility would CBS or the New York Times have if - after 45 years of hawking the "lone gunman" theory, calling critics "crackpots" and "frauds" and "parasites" ("liars," according to Bugliosi), and arguing against any "conspiracy" that didn't begin and end with Lee Harvey Oswald - it was suddenly faced with a different reality? Would it call for those conspirators' meeting swift justice or call for any such investigation's meeting a swift end?
You don't think that the lack of any other "named conspirators" proves that Oswald "must have done it," do you? Wasn't that Henry Wade's modus operandi: if you don't have anyone I think is a better suspect, then the one that I favor must've been the one who did it?" Twenty men so far have been released after being sent away for a crime DNA now tells us that they didn't commit, despite Wade's gaining a conviction. Does this perhaps tell us that some people only collect the evidence that they want and feel they need to the total disregard of anything else?
Should we then have faith in the Oswald "conviction" that was already decided when the manhunt for the President's killer ended upon Oswald's capture?
Is a bird in the hand always worth two in the bush?
First-rate work, Duke Lane.... EXCELLENT!
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As for the Get-a-way Bus, am I the only person who finds it a bit weird that the man accused of executing the President of the United States escapes via bus and cab?
I mean, has anybody ever heard of a Get-a-way Bus before, or since?
And if Oswald did kill Tippit, how did he get there?
How many possible ways are there to 10th and Patton from the Rooming House?
And if the murder of Tippit is connected to the assassination of the President, how is it, other than him being an innocent victim of a crazy Spree Killer?
As Harry Dean says, it is well known that Tippit worked weekends at a barbeque restaurant "owned by a Bircher."
That would be Austin's barbeque, right Duke?
Is Austin's still cookin'?
BK
I think it's a safe assumption, that if this case ended up in a court of law today, Oswald would walk. (Unless the 6th Museum was well represented in the jury box, of course).
Tell ya what Bill, what makes the same amount of sense as a get-a-way bus, is this: Oswald was given a ride to his rooming house in a DPD squad car. Why not? There's testimony of one outside his rooming house beeping (for him?) within minutes of Oswald arriving there... So, why not, it (possibly) dropped him off?
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name='Karl Kinaski' post='159595' date='Dec 6 2008, 03:16 PM'One has to be very careful: some Nix frames are missing, others are corrupted(According to Nix himself)...maybe this "dust" was put in afterwards...by brush...(like the pinkish- gaping head wound in Z 313 314)...
Not only the Zappi film is altered...
(I rather trust the eyewitness(Hill, Hofmann, Bowers, Holland, Carr, Price, Brehm, Brennan Newman, than any pics or movies taken that day at DP.
KK
Pics and movies are very impressive...and thats why the most impressive falsifications are...movies and pics...no better stuff than pics and movies to mislead researchers...
KK
KK,
At first glance you are correct, but if you were to actually learn about what would need to be done in 1963/64 to alter films of this size and type, then you'd find yourself hard pressed to continue on with the alteration talk. For instance, have you ever really considered that every film frame of Zapruder's has varying degrees of motion blur in them from either the limo moving, Zapruder moving his camera, or both. You simply cannot draw in motion blur to the degree the film captured it. You simply cannot cut and paste from another frame because no two are the same. These things an expert could spot in a New York minute. Also, Kodachrome II film is made for outdoor light. It would call for artificial light to try and recreate these illusions you speak of and then color shifts between sunlight exposure and artifical light would also be detectable by experts.
Bill Miller
more nonsense from those with a Lone Nut/SBT/LHO did-it-all-by-his-lonesome agenda, not to mention: the uninitiated in optical film composing and composition..... what-a-motion-film klutz you are! New York minute? ROFLMAO, next we'll hear you were Robert Groden (the Amateur Optical Film Lab Assistant) assistant! Carry on!
David, I almost forgot that several pages back you were asked if you have ever done any film composits on Kodachrome II 8MM or 16MM film??? Enlighten me if you will.
Thanks,
Bill Miller
You wait with baited breath for everything I post, soooooooooo -- I'm kinda waiting for you to dazzle me with your brilliance, son..... No sense going into film composing issues unless you display a modicum of knowledge concerning the subject matter. 35+ years of experience and I've published concerning the matter, have you?
Now feel free in having Gary give you a hand, mount some sort worthy response, eh. For that matter any of those other trolls you hang with. I've been pushing wannabes the likes of you aside for years, you bore me and won't waste my time, eh!
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One has to be very careful: some Nix frames are missing, others are corrupted(According to Nix himself)...maybe this "dust" was put in afterwards...by brush...(like the pinkish- gaping head wound in Z 313 314)...
Not only the Zappi film is altered...
(I rather trust the eyewitness(Hill, Hofmann, Bowers, Holland, Carr, Price, Brehm, Brennan Newman, than any pics or movies taken that day at DP.
KK
Pics and movies are very impressive...and thats why the most impressive falsifications are...movies and pics...no better stuff than pics and movies to mislead researchers...
KK
KK,
At first glance you are correct, but if you were to actually learn about what would need to be done in 1963/64 to alter films of this size and type, then you'd find yourself hard pressed to continue on with the alteration talk. For instance, have you ever really considered that every film frame of Zapruder's has varying degrees of motion blur in them from either the limo moving, Zapruder moving his camera, or both. You simply cannot draw in motion blur to the degree the film captured it. You simply cannot cut and paste from another frame because no two are the same. These things an expert could spot in a New York minute. Also, Kodachrome II film is made for outdoor light. It would call for artificial light to try and recreate these illusions you speak of and then color shifts between sunlight exposure and artifical light would also be detectable by experts.
Bill Miller
more nonsense from those with a Lone Nut/SBT/LHO did-it-all-by-his-lonesome agenda, not to mention: the uninitiated in optical film composing and composition..... what-a-motion-film klutz you are! New York minute? ROFLMAO, next we'll hear you were Robert Groden (the Amateur Optical Film Lab Assistant) assistant! Carry on!
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Why don't you cut the crap Bill and show us, in Moorman, where, in your calculated opinion, the alleged Arnold's feet lie.
We were headed in the direction that would better explain where Arnold's feet were, but you stopped cooperating in separating what we could agree on from what we still needed to discuss. Jumping from point A to point Z without dealing with what's in between is a very poor research practice that the photo and film alteration supporters like to use. Some of us take the subject serious enough not to make the same mistakes that we have seen others make.
This has been requested of you long before you started mouthing off your ridiculous demands that I answer your questions.How is my asking that we separate the understood and agreed on points from those that are not understood and agreed upon? You claim to be winning when it is not a competition and yet you don't seem to show an interest in walking through the evidence to see if anything is missing by either side.
Here is those awful demands that you claim were made to you ...
"Duncan, would you mind giving the forum at least a couple of general references that make you believe that Arnold was proven to be a ghost.
Thanks!"
"So lets try it again and you explain what it is exactly about you and Jerry's gifs that support one another???"
"So before we go on and deal with Arnold's floating in mid-air as you see it to be, can we agree that what was said above was a fair assessment of the situation so far??? If not, then let us be specific in explaining what you do not agree with."
"Are there any principles that you do not understand or agree with yet before we move on and if so, please detail them so we can discuss them."
"Now back to the previous post I made .... Is there anything I said so far in that post that you do not understand and/or disagree with? If so, then please detail what you don't understand or agree with ... and why??
Thanks,
Bill Miller"
Yes Duncan ... these were such ridiculous demands to someone who wishes to see them as that.
If you want to discuss things with a yes man you've picked the wrong guy,This response of yours is a clever one to make sometimes, but not very bright to use here when I said, "Is there anything I said so far in that post that you do not understand and/or disagree with? If so, then please detail what you don't understand or agree with ... and why??"
So unless there can be some twisted way for you to re-write the English language ... I didn't ask for a yes man with you. What I did ask for was your cooperation in us separating what we understood and agreed on from what we didn't understand and disagreed on. Your attempt to try and make that approach into my seeking out a 'yes man' doesn't seem to fit. Would you like to rethink your comment and try it again?
Bill Miller
PS: Seeing how data has been posted to show that the Intermembral Index of a primate doesn't match that of a human being and this about a figure seen in a UPI print concerning the JFK assassination, then tell me the purpose of you posting an alleged Sasquatch film in as thread that you don't appear to want to discuss the evidence pertaining to a JFK assassination matter???
Perhaps I misunderstood. In Duncan's post (stabilized .gif animation) above, is that YOU Bill, in the monkey suit?
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THATS ALL FOLKS!
Been to New Orleans far too many times to be taken in by the "bump & grind" or any of the other fabulous deals which are constantly being offered.
Hope that sets the record straight!
Tom
rumor has it, Mr. Vernon has left Antioch, Ca. (putting it nicely), moved back to the New Orleans area (his stomping ground for ages). A little Louisiana due diligence reveals the breadth of Mr. Vernon and his Louisiana business/corporate dealings.
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Wonder if Dankbaar will be getting any fan mail from Bob Vernon? After reading this I kinda doubt it.
I think the "mod's" should remove Denis Pointing from this board for 30 days, the term "xxxx" is used in above link.... I believe KBecket posted to this very "xxxx" subject, in this thread even... Evidently, Denis can't control himself....
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Gary Mack knows enough to be dangerous. He knows what to hide and what to exploit. However, he seems to have too many agendas to be able to be consistent. ..................................... His assertions cannot be trusted if you are interested in knowing what really happened.
In my view, until someone is able to distinguish the difference between a speculative opinion and history ... they will never know the truth.
Bill Miller
"speculative opinion" duh, ALL opinion even informed opinion is speculation; history? Whose history praytell, the victors or those wanting answers? They way I see it, you can't determine what to distinguish. Like most, when in doubt, fallback on the WCR, you're not unique. Quite common in fact.
Is The State of Israel Above The Law?
in Political Conspiracies
Posted · Edited by David G. Healy
"Israel, in their present form, have forfeited their right to exist, imo."
--Mark Stapelton
and you're suggesting WHAT, praytell?