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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and propose that Terry's having a bit of fun. She's too independent-minded to swallow the Larouche nonsense whole. No, I'm guessing she brought this up as an ironic commentary on the recent Republican shift of tactics. As exemplified by some of Craig Lamson's posts, despite nearly everyone's initial agreement that the current financial crisis was brought about by "Wall Street greed" and the "climate of deregulation" fostered by Reagan/Bush/McCain, many conservatives are now trying to claim that the real culprits are Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and those darned greedy poor people. This IS as absurd as blaming the Kennedy assassination on Bertrand Russell, who, after all, was the first major international intellectual figure to cast doubts upon the Warren Report and embrace the rantings of the otherwise-marginalized Mark Lane.
I hope I'm right. If not, Terry's bound to respond by saying that Russell's embrace of Lane was part of the plot, and designed to throw us off the trail, and that, furthermore, Mark Lane himself was witting of this. She might then cite the FBI files proving that Mark Lane had...sex. I would then be forced to ask Terry if her former employer Hugh Hefner was part of the plot, as he not only gave Jim Garrison a forum for his views, throwing Americans off the trail of the real assassins, but had, years earlier, set the table for the main course of British-flavored sex and drugs by showing the curious and not yet horny Marilyn Monroe's boobies. I might then ask her if Hugh had had Marilyn whacked (which would have been a bit of a twist, seeing as Hugh's publishing of her pictures had provoked so much whacking by others), so she could not warn Jack what was a-coming, or tell Dorothy Kilgallen what had happened on the day after it came. (Note here that Peter Lawford was the last one to talk to Monroe, and that he was...British. Perhaps then it was he who did the whacking, to shut Marilyn up before she could tell Bobby Hugh and Bertrand's plans for whacking Jack.)
still in Hollywood, Pat?
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Hi,
I can ask what your thoughts were regarding today’s (my time zone) debate - especially the part where McCain asked Obama how much extra tax would 'Joe the Plumber' pay and Obama said none. Did you see McCain's face? It looked like he had been told by his doctor that he only has a few days to live (which politically it is probably true).
Steve
Mc Cain kicked his you know waht. Hell zerOBAMA could not even tell the truth about ACORN.
As far as the heatlh care "extra tax", did you catch the part wher zerOBAM told us exactly waht a medium and large business entails, or for that matter what a "small" business is? Of course not, but as Mac said you need to listen to zerOBAMA very carefully. Its not really what he tells you but what he DOES not tell you.
But hey if yoiu want to see the government "spread the wealth areound" I guess zerOBAMA is your guy...at least until he comes for YOUR money.
What wealth is there to spread around, the nation is bankrupt.
then your dream is dead! Rest in peace!
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But hey if yoiu want to see the government "spread the wealth areound" I guess zerOBAMA is your guy...at least until he comes for YOUR money.
It seems that George Bush has been very good at spending your money (and those who come after you).
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1016/p01s05-usec.html
The US government's extraordinary effort to rescue the banking system may have pulled America's economy back from the brink, but it comes at a cost – helping to push an already bloated deficit up to an estimated $1 trillion for this fiscal year.
That would be a record in today's dollars – and would represent the highest level of federal red ink as a share of the overall economy of any US budget since the 1940s. For each household, this year's deficit would pile on an extra $8,620 of federal debt.
As a result, future presidents may have to rein in spending and raise taxes to pay down that debt. If they don't, foreign lenders at some point could scale back their purchases of US debt, sending interest rates soaring.
There will be NO scaling back... beginning Jan 2009 Social Security (for some 50 million US-retired) benefits goes up 5.8%. So even US retirees will survive. For that matter, so will the rest of the capitalist world.
Next on the list, socialized health care and put a choke hold on blood sucking insurance companies... Thanks to a bit of US government-Wall Street/ banking institutional socialism we're on the path back to governmental regulation....
Now is the time to quote Ronald Reagan: "...debt? What debt...?"
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Hi,
I can ask what your thoughts were regarding today’s (my time zone) debate - especially the part where McCain asked Obama how much extra tax would 'Joe the Plumber' pay and Obama said none. Did you see McCain's face? It looked like he had been told by his doctor that he only has a few days to live (which politically it is probably true).
Steve
Mc Cain kicked his you know waht. Hell zerOBAMA could not even tell the truth about ACORN.
As far as the heatlh care "extra tax", did you catch the part wher zerOBAM told us exactly waht a medium and large business entails, or for that matter what a "small" business is? Of course not, but as Mac said you need to listen to zerOBAMA very carefully. Its not really what he tells you but what he DOES not tell you.
But hey if yoiu want to see the government "spread the wealth areound" I guess zerOBAMA is your guy...at least until he comes for YOUR money.
Only in a right-wing fantasy world did McCain kick anyones a**. John McCain is too old AND angry for this campaign stuff, he simply doesn't have what it takes -- the GOP threw him under the bus, right along with Sweet Sarah (still under investigation) Palin, Mr. Dude, their un-wed pregnant daughter and their soon to be high school dropout son-in-law.... best take care of home front things before entering lower 48 politics, Sweet Sarah.
The GOP knows what is needed, a steady, sure hand in troubling times. So its best they, the GOP, sit this presidential election cycle out.
Just think, GOP hate, talk-radio whackos (Limbaugh, Savage and Levin) have the opportunity to gin-up the reich-wing racists during the next 4 years...
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It was not the CDS that brought the house down, it was the bad mortgages inside that did... problem mortgages foisted on us by Clintoon....
Try again next time Ray
There have always been bad mortgages, but banks and insurance companies never used to be allowed to make UNHEDGED multi-billion dollar bets on them like AIG, Lehman and the others were allowed to do when the republican free-marketeers took power.
But even if your argument were true, Craig, it wouldn't help John McCain very much in tonight's debate or this election. The Democrats jettisoned Clinton a while back, in case you didn't notice.
You are STILL missing the point Ray, but why am I not suprised. SOMEONE had to create the climate for this to happen. That someone was Clinton. CDS are not that different than you being required to insure your car against loss if you have a loan witb a bank for that car. The Insurace company makes a bet that your car will not be involved in a wreck or theft and be rendered totaled. Thats not unlike somone buying insurance that a bond or a a bunch of mortagers packeged together will not default. Now exactly WHY should you have a problem with this private, non banking transaction? Its not the CDS that is the problem , its the bad loans underneath. The groundwork for this is PURE Clinton.
However EVEN if your argument were true, where is the legislation starting when the dimbulbs tookover Congress in 2006 to reign in the problem? After all THEY make the laws? Oh thats right, there was none, they were on the take wiht your "bold" (lol!) zerOBAM right there with this hand out for cash and kissing ACORNS azz. Baaarack is lying his azz off about this, and its not going to help him in tonights debate. His chickens are starting to come home to roost
man, I've never seen you dance like this.... oh-wee: "SOMEONE had to create the climate for this to happen" so blame it all on Clinton? Write the reich-wing morons off that have controlled the White House for the past 8 years, as in 'wasn't me'?.... President Cheney, please step forward....
Look man, even if a case could be made against Clinton, why did the GOP bury its collective head in the sand over the last 8 years? Doesn't hold water, Craig.
You're a socialist for the time being, so think Ron Ray-gun: Problem? What problem? The markets will take care of themselves....
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Groden made a 35MM copy directly from the Nix original. I have a duplicate of that film as it was created at the lab where I accompanied Robert Groden a few years ago.
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Bill Miller
My gosh, you've made it to a film lab! So, correct me if I'm wrong, according to a NIX family member: The NIX in-camera original film is missing, eh?
Did Robert tell you per-chance, if he (Groden) knows where the original NIX film is located these days? By your above statement Mr. Groden had it in his possession at one time, the "in-camera 8mm original" that is. You really should read David Lifton's, Pig on a Leash. Or, better yet, purchase a copy of the The Great Zapruder Film HOAX Symposium DVD-- Lifton's installment in particular. (no love lost between the two, that's for sure)
Amazing history concerning Robert G. and JFK assassination related photos and films. Utterly amazing! And most telling? Robert's grilling during his ARRB congressional investigation testimony....
Yours in-research,
DHealy
p.s. How did Groden make a 35mm copy of an 8mm film? Dazzle me, er us!
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I'll give these alteration guys one thing ... they don't mind looking silly and even more amazing is that they don't mind us knowing that they don't mind looking silly.
Bill Miller
apparently you forget your history elsewhere, but we won't go into that, now...
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In a recent post on his website, Dale Myers revealed that he's been following this forum. I thought forum members might want to follow our ongoing argument, particularly as he's decided to drag forum members John Simkin (in this post) and Bill Miller (in a previous post) into the fray.
On May 10, 11:11 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> Dale Myers has added the following comments to his original 5/8/08
> article posted on his website:
>
> ==============================
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> "In a recent post on the UK’s Education Forum, Mr. [Patrick J.]
> Speer writes, “No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until this
> response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> animation – the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you – was shot at an angle
> from a computer monitor.”
>
> "Mr. Speer doesn’t seem to understand that in the real world
> there is no need to acknowledge something that is self evident--
> namely, that Discovery Channel viewers were watching a presentation
> being given from a vantage point that was not perpendicular to the
> presentation screen. This is obvious from the Discovery program
> sequences that show a wide-angle view of the studio in which the
> presentation was being given. Mr. Speer failed to note that fact and
> now claims that the Discovery Channel and yours truly conspired to
> deceive everyone about the single bullet theory.
>
> "The so-called distortions Mr. Speer refers to are of course the
> unintended result of the Discovery Channel photographing the
> presentation monitor at an angle and have nothing to do with the
> alignments depicted in the actual images appearing on the monitor. And
> the trajectory path superimposed over the videotaped sequence by
> Discovery editors after the fact has no more relevance or accuracy to
> the images below it (other than to illustrate, in very broad terms,
> the path of the bullet*) than Mr. Speer’s own attempts to project two-
> dimensional lines into three-dimensional space.
>
> "It’s unfathomable to me that anyone could swallow Mr. Speer’s
> illogical rationale for dismissing the breadth of my work on the
> single bullet theory, but in the world of conspiracy theorists bent on
> embracing anyone and anything critical of the single bullet theory,
> such idiocy is common place. (The UK’s Education Forum’s
> administrator, John Simkin, applauded Speer writing, “Congratulations.
> I am sure all members have been very impressed with your work in this
> area.”)
>
> [Later....]
>
> "Mr. Speer further complains that the animated sequence I
> produced in which Connally is shown sitting inboard of Kennedy by six
> inches is equally deceptively because it shows Connally and the
> jumpseat moving in unison. I explained in a recent email that Connally
> and the jumpseat were moved as one for clarity.
>
> "According to Mr. Speer, “This is as good as a confession that
> Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6 inches in from the door when he
> created animation showing it to be 6 inches from the door… I wonder
> how many [millions of viewers] would feel deceived to find out that
> Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of his seat was merely a
> Myers invention designed to ‘clarify’ things for them? Some might call
> this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.”
>
> "I don’t know how many ways to say it, but Connally was situated
> six inches inboard of Kennedy at the time they were both hit.
> Connally’s jumpseat, however, was fixed to a track in the floor of the
> limousine, the outside edge of the jumpseat cushion measured at 2.5
> inches from the inside door panel, according to body drafts produced
> by Hess & Eisenhardt Company.
>
> "To demonstrate the difference between a rather common (and
> inaccurate) drawing purporting to show Connally seated directly in
> front of Kennedy at the time of the single bullet shot and their
> actual positions as deduced from the Zapruder film and other
> photographs, the models of Connally and the jumpseat were moved as a
> single unit during presentations for ABC News and the Discovery
> Channel.
>
> "The relationship between Connally and the jumpseat are
> identical in both positions. Moving Connally and the jumpseat in
> unison was simply easier than moving the two separately given the
> television time available – especially given the fact that the
> position of the jumpseat had absolutely no bearing on the single
> bullet theory.
>
> "But for Mr. Speer, focusing on inconsequential minutia is
> better than acknowledging his own obvious mistakes in photographic
> analysis and logic. It also allows him to play the martyr for his
> fellow conspiracy theorists and pretend he has actually proven
> something." -- DALE K. MYERS; ADD-ON SECTIONS TO HIS MAY 8TH ARTICLE
> LINKED BELOW
>
> http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/05/con-j...-debunkers.html
>
> ==============================
>
Here is my response to David Von Pein's post of Myers' comments:
Thanks, David, for providing this response. Myers is a classic weasel. As he now admits, he DELIBERATELY deceived people about the seat position. When originally confronted on this, he LIED and said the mis-perception that the seat was in the wrong location was Peter Jennings' fault. When I demonstrated on my webpage that it was not Jennings' fault, but HIS fault, he back-tracked and said "Oh yeah, we put the seat in the wrong position, but only "for clarity". Now, he says moving Connally and the seat together "was simply easier than moving the two separately given the television time available – especially given the fact that the position of the jumpseat had absolutely no bearing on the single bullet theory."
Oh, really? Now let's recall the actual words used in Beyond Conspiracy and Beyond the Magic Bullet to accompany Myers' movement of the seat. In Beyond Conspiracy, Jennings says "In the Stone film diagrams have Governor Connally sitting directly in front of the President, facing forward at the time of the second shot. Not true. Governor Connally was sitting 6 inches inboard of the President, and turned sharply to his right." (During this pronouncement we see an animated Governor Connally siting in front of an animated President, then slid inboard, and turned to his right.) Now compare this to Myers' exact words from Beyond the Magic Bullet, a year later: "Here's the position that most critics believed they were occupied at the time of the single bullet, with Connally directly in front of Kennedy. But that's not true. Actually, Connally's seated about six inches inboards (Here, he slides Connally over, as depicted on the second image in the slide up above). And turned to his right."
By stating that Connally was "sitting" or was "seated" 6 inches inboard, and then sliding the seat 6 inches inboard, they created what can only be interpreted as a deliberate deception. Now, Myers is trying to weasel out of it by claiming that the position of the seat is irrelevant, and saying, basically, that if people were deceived by his deliberate deception then that's their own problem. Well, I beg to differ. I've spoken to hundreds of people on the Kennedy assassination over the years, and dozens of them have said they were skeptical of the single-bullet theory until they saw Myers' animation, with Kennedy sitting in the MIDDLE of his seat, in a direct line with the bullet. Myers' admitted deception, in other words, has been the single-biggest propaganda tool promoting his position. But he wants us to believe it's inconsequential.
SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE.
Similarly, he now admits that the trajectory super-imposed on his animation in Beyond the Magic Bullet is irrelevant. He claims the distortion of his animation from its being filmed at an angle was "self evident"-- an amazingly self-serving proclamation, considering that NONE of his online defenders noticed it until he mentioned it. He says further that lines drawn on three dimensional images are irrelevant--which is a repudiation of Beyond the Magic Bullet's addition of a trajectory line onto his animation as much as my own studies of Myers' work. He fails to explain why he was so SILENT about this when Beyond the Magic Bullet was first broadcast. Myers, after all, and by his own admission, knew they used distorted images. Myers, after all, knew they were projecting a line over his animation. (His own line was noticeably absent). While he criticizes me for "pretending" like I've "proven something" he allowed a TV program broadcast worldwide to use his animation to "pretend" to "prove something." Where is his outrage at their abuse of his work? Oh, that's right. They are on his "team" and are helping him in his goal of saving the world from those darned "conspiracy theorists".
SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE.
You can't hammer away at Myers enough, Pat Good job! Now, if Myer's would give up his Lightwave project files so independent researchers could verify his findings, we'd get someplace.
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The economy of the world is in free fall due to one thing...socialism.
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Nice dance, typical GOP mantra find a bogeyman or in this case, an entire system.... Craig, its failed economic policies and simple GREED. Can't run from this one....
Sorry David, you lose again. Greed is clearlly a factor but its for sure not the trigger. CRA is the cause. Oh wait I guess you are right in one aspect. Its WAS the failed ecomomic policies of Carter, Clinton the DIMS running fanny and freddy and smucks like Dodd, Framks ad Obama feeding from the fanny and freddy...all dims I might add....
Thanks for your typical dim mantra, and woeful attempt to deflect blame away from your failed party.
GREED is ALWAYS the trigger, Craig.... Read that bible!.... I do declah.... the Democrats have been working in a vacuum for ALL those years, while Republicans slept at the wheel. Including those righteous, Ronnie Ray-gun *trickle down theory* years. I loved Reagan's comment, "...recession? WHAT recesssion!" Speaking of "dim-bulbs".
So how is your 401k doing, champ? Going down with the ship?
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... doesn't change the fact that Oswald seemed more than prepared to use it. ...
excuse me, what fact?
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As far as David's comments, outside of you who cares? This nit wit cant tie his shoes. He made some stupid remark to Christopher Hall in another thread. They should mind meld his brain with Lamson's and maybe the two of them together might have access to a single brain that half functions?. But otherwise the guy is useless.
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MMMwaaaaah? Me? Well maybe I can't tie my shoes these day's, evidently I can get your knickers all knotted up, though... You're getting awfully sensitive (not to mention slightly irrational) in your old age, Ter.... What is it you LaRoucheites are drinking these day's?
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The economy of the world is in free fall due to one thing...socialism.
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Nice dance, typical GOP mantra find a bogeyman or in this case, an entire system.... Craig, its failed economic policies and simple GREED. Can't run from this one....
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Our corrupt and incompetent leaders are seemingly clueless about how to solve this tremendous economic crisis, which is threatening to topple economies all over the world. Their incredibly stupid trillion dollar banker bailout has only made things worse.
Bush and co. can try and persuade the people that "this will take some time," but that ridiculous explanation simply won't cut it. Wall Street always responds to what it perceives to be good or bad news, and rises or falls accordingly. So, when the "good news" about the trillion dollar bailout being passed by Congress arrived, the markets should have soared upwards. Instead, they crashed down and have continued to slide ever since.
I've lost almost half of my 401K since the beginning of the year. With so many people in that situation, eventually even our greedy leaders are going to have to address the real issue here; far too much wealth concentrated in far too few hands.
The problem for Barack Obama is that he does not want to say anything that provides a danger to his lead in the polls. If he puts forward a plan that will really deal with the crisis, the media will portray him as a left-winger. This is why he is so supportive of the measures taken by Bush.
The reason why shares continued to fall is that without outright natonalization, all the major banks in the US and the UK will become insolvent. Over the last few years financial firms sold credit default swaps (CDSs) - a form of insurance against a company defaulting on its debt - to investors in Lehman's bonds and those betting on the bank's creditworthiness. These companies will now be forced to pay out 91.4 cents in the dollar. This could amount to as much as $440bn. The same thing happened with Morgan Stanley. The bank's shares plunged by 22% in New York, taking their total week-long fall to 60%. Goldman Sachs is also in trouble. If Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs go under next week, banks face pay-outs that will bring them down as well.
For some of our esteemed US free marketeers eyeing this board, what is wrong with nationalizing the US banking system? What is the primary fear doing so?
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Last night the BBC broadcast a report by Greg Palast that featured Bobby Kennedy Jr. on how the Republicans stole the election in 2000 and 2004 and explained the different strategies that are being used to ensure McCain's victory in November. The report made the US look like a Banana Republic.
This is a very important point. I wish someone here would broadcast this kind of thing.
But, it IS a Bananna republic, and the Kennedys know just how bad it is. I read RFK Jr's incredible article on the stolen election in 04. And Kerry? Well, then there is Skull and Bones. Because he has never commented on the enormous amount of evidence of the stolen election.
Even though Obama is way ahead in the polls I am very nervous that the Republicans will pull something to
ensure their continued power.
Dawn
US politicians talk a lot about democractic tradition but in fact it has always been a very flawed system that was developed to maintain the status quo. For example, the Jim Crow laws that lasted into the 1960s that prevented black people from voting in the Deep South.
Unlike the rest of the Western World, where the mechanics of voting is not in party hands, US elections is left to state governments, and the parties in power often exploit this advantage. This enables them to impose conditions that stops racial minorities and poor whites from voting. One study showed that in the 2000 election over 2 million people were not allowed to vote. Things have not changed and if the 2008 election was monitored by the UN it would be ruled as invalid.
For example, in 2005, Indiana introduced a law requiring voters to have a government-issued driving licence that includes photo ID. Georgia and Florida have similar laws. This legislation clearly discriminates against people with cars. A recent study shows that while 80% of Americans have cars, only 22% of African-Americans do.
In Florida the name on the driving licence has to perfectly match that on the government's databank of social security numbers and names. This is a problem for those in the Latino community who often use shortened versions of their names on social security cards and revert to their longer family names for driving licences.
Another trick used by Republican controlled states concerns the distribution of voting machines. In middle-class areas there are plenty of machines and voting only takes a few minutes. However, in poor districts, they have far fewer causing long queues to build up. This is made worse by Republican party workers who challenge the identity of voters identity at the polling booth. In some areas, people had to wait up to four hours in bad weather to vote. Only the most committed will wait for that long.
Below is a cartoon by Bill Mauldin in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1964. The man is saying: "By the way, what's the big word?"
John Simkin sez:
"For example, in 2005, Indiana introduced a law requiring voters to have a government-issued driving licence that includes photo ID. ... This legislation clearly discriminates against people with cars. A recent study shows that while 80% of Americans have cars, only 22% of African-Americans do."
Perhaps it would serve you well to RESEARCH the actual law before you make such statements of "fact" As it stands you look quite silly. "Educators" should be expected to hold a much higher standard than this. Just to get you started a DRIVERS LICENCE is not the only vaild ID a voter can use to vote in Indiana. When you have done the work, correct your mistakes and get back to us.
Simkin sez again:"
"Another trick used by Republican controlled states concerns the distribution of voting machines. In middle-class areas there are plenty of machines and voting only takes a few minutes. However, in poor districts, they have far fewer causing long queues to build up. This is made worse by Republican party workers who challenge the identity of voters identity at the polling booth. In some areas, people had to wait up to four hours in bad weather to vote. Only the most committed will wait for that long."
Sadly for you once again you simply don't have a grasp of the simple facts. NO VOTER need stand in a long line to vote. Most states offer early voting. Case in point I cast my vote yesterday. Voters can also cast their votes by mail. So much for your arguments. Is England such a "banana republic" that the truth is unavailable to you?
Obama huh? Good man! ROTFLMFAO....
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Where are the LaRouche slanders that you promised? Quit your blabbing and stick to the wager. You're trying to buy time because otherwise you would be gone by now. Why dont you till the fertile field of LaRouche slanders instead of trying to give me a history lesson? You hinted you were going back to the 1970's, for some vintage LaRouche racism. But so far nothing.
The man is 86 years old and a racist, so it shouldnt be difficult for you to locate a few of his more choice comments.
Bye, bye.
The delay as I pointed out was due to me hoping you’d accept the wager but you so far have refused. Here are the quotes, but you were not paying attention I already posted them a few weeks ago on another thread.
"Zombie Killers Out of Control" (June 1974).
"This summer you will be walking down the street with your family and a cruising car will pull up beside you. A group of young black men will jump out of the car and surround you. As they close in, you may notice that their eyes show no emotion, their pupils are pinpoints. Your throat will be slashed, your wife will be stabbed, your children's heads will be smashed against the pavement. The attackers will be grinning or laughing."
http://lyndonlarouche.org/larouche-zombie-killers.pdf
"The Politics of Male Impotence" (1973)
"What is the sickness inside so many of our members whcih [sic] causes them to awfully admire the image of the Black Ghetto mother? Can we imagine anything much more viciously sadistic than the Black Chetto [sic] mother?"
Note his use of "anything" rather than "anyone."
http://lyndonlarouche.org/larouche-racism-mothers.pdf
“The Case of Walter Lippmann” (1977)
LaRouche says it was "absolutely" correct for the "American branch of European humanist culture" to grab all the land from the "miserable, relatively bestial culture of indigenous Americans." (Note that he lumps hundreds of tribes, language groups and ancient peoples into a single undifferentiated culture.) And the same thing goes for those miserable Mexicans after the War of 1848: "We do not regard all cultures and nations as equally deserving of sovereignty or survival."
And we have something more recent: Saturday Dialogue with LaRouche, Pt. 1 (April 12, 2008)
"…and she [Obama’s mother] wore through a number of successive husbands, and by them, had various children. And therefore, you'll find Obama's ancestry, if you chase his family tree, everybody's climbing and swinging from the branches there--from all over the world! All parts of the world! This guy is the universal man. Every monkey in every tree, from every part of the world, has participated in the sexual act of producing him."
http://lyndonlarouche.org/larouche-obama.htm
- All the above adapted from:
http://lyndonlarouche.org/larouche-obama-menu.htm
LaRouche attacks Judaism as the religion of the "Roman merchant-usurer who had not yet evolved to the state of Papal Enlightenment, a half-Christian, who had not yet developed a Christian conscience" and Jewish culture as "merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim" (The Campaigner, December 1973).
http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/images/ludwig3.jpg
So please send me the $ 1000 at your soonest possible convenience. Once you've chosen which items to purchase and which shipping method you what me to use I'll bill you separately for postage. My PM box is full but you can send me an e-mail through the forum.
Hmmm....it seems like I've seen these before, somewhere.
I'll answer you when I get more time. Typical "format" slander. You really didnt do much work, allowing others to package your BS.racism poking its head out of the closet once again -- sigh. The American Civil WAR still raging in the minds of some. Same striking fear into the minds of common folk -- so, the racists are climbing and stoking the FEAR ladder once again. After all, the hearts and minds of those common American folk is at stake, eh?
Let's wow them with Wall Street financial mumbo-jumbo.... what nonsense!
Your bet doesn't look good, Terry.
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name='Miles Scull' date='Oct 1 2008, 01:20 AM' post='155416']
[name=Kathy Beckett' post='155411' date='Sep 30 2008, 11:57 PM]I received this today:
Using Miles' way of (mis)thinking, Mary Moorman wasn't in Dealey Plaza either, for she heard no shots until the moment she took her famous picture.
Gary Mack
I should say that Gary Mack has a vested interest, to say the least.His (mis)thinking assumes that Mary Moorman's hearing of anything has a bearing on what Arnie said he heard
What anyone else heard or did not hear does not change Arnie's self incriminating goof.
And then consider the galloping illogicality of the rest of Arnie's fable.
I think that says it all.
For the students of this forum ... I would like to point out an observation pertaining to Miles Skull's attempt to mislead the reader.
The first thing that Skull did was to misstate the record by saying that Arnold said that the first shot came past his left ear. Arnold said "a shot" came past his left ear. Once it was shown that Miles had it wrong and that Arnold didn't mention anything about a 'first shot' ... Miles then attempted to say that Arnold slipped up somehow by not mentioning the first loud shot fired that other witnesses had testified to. Miles doesn't allude to the fact that this was an edited interview by Nigel Turner and that Gordon was speaking of the shots coming from behind him and nothing more. Even Yarborough didn't mention the first shot(s), but rather told of seeing a man dive to the wall during the shooting.
Then Kathy Beckett mentioned that other witnesses didn't hear the first shot(s) either ... Kathy even cited Gary Mack pointing out how Moorman, who was there during the shooting, had not heard the first shot(s) because she thought the head shot to the President was the first shot fired that day. Then Miles carefully shifts gears and says that what other witnesses did or didn't hear was irrelevant. It seems that Miles felt that Gordon Arnold should be held to a higher level of accountability that other witnesses. A serious researcher might see that if others didn't hear the first shot(s) or didn't mention them in their edited interviews dealing with shots from the knoll ... that possibly there was a sensible reason for this.
So the point of showing this type of behavior by some people like Miles Skull is so their possible agenda and bias in the things they choose to ignore may call into question their desire to seek the truth in a responsible and unbiased fashion. That the reader should consider not only what is being said by the poster, but also in what is not being said as well.
Miles Skull added: "Arnie says that the parade was just going along just fine with nothing much unusual to notice, when suddenly KABOOM, Arnie thought he had been shot by a shot from behind that caused him to fall down."
It should be noted that Miles made up what he attributed to Arnold saying. Nowhere will anyone ever find where Arnold said what Miles implied. It's probably hard enough for a student to digest the things posted in these threads, so at least what they read should be factual. What Skull was writing was not fact, but rather propaganda.
Bill Miller
In the interest of history or personal agendas, say you Wild Bill? In any case, I'd be careful bringing up K.Beckett citing Gary Mack pointing out anything, ANYTHING to do with what Mary Moorman heard or SAW in Dealey Plaza that day. I don't think the issue raised by David Lifton's HOAX contribution has been cleared up yet, has it?
Would you like a cite, perhaps page number?
(edit) Well here it is anyway: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax (2003-3rd printing), pg's 420 thru 422 (Pig on a Leash, by David Lifton - Contributor).
Thoughts (for history sake for sure)?
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Does anyone think that Obama would pardon OJ?
another reich-wing question? You should be ashamed Mr. Hall.
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All the girls say John McCain is such a handsome devil. Surely it's time we had a song about him:
HANDSOME JOHNNY
(Lou Gossett / Richie Havens)
Hey, look yonder, tell me what's that you see
Marching to the fields of Concord?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with a musket in his hand,
Marching to the Concord war, hey marching to the Concord war.
Hey, look yonder, tell me what you see
Marching to the fields of Gettysburg?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with a flintlock in his hand,
Marching to the Gettysburg war, hey marching to the Gettysburg war.
Hey, look yonder, tell me what's that you see
Marching to the fields of Dunkirk?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with a carbine in his hand,
Marching to the Dunkirk war, hey marching to the Dunkirk war.
Hey, look yonder, tell me what you see
Marching to the fields of Korea?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with an M1 in his hand,
Marching to the Korean war, hey marching to the Korean war.
Hey, look yonder, tell me what you see
Marching to the fields of Vietnam?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with an M15,
Marching to the Vietnam war, hey marching to the Vietnam war.
Hey, look yonder, tell me what you see
Marching to the fields of Birmingham?
It looks like Handsome Johnny with his hand rolled in a fist,
Marching to the Birmingham war, hey marching to the Birmingham war.
Hey, it's a long hard road, it's a long hard road,
It's a long hard road, before we'll be free.
Hey, what's the use of singing this song, some of you are not even listening.
Tell me what it is we've got to do: wait for our fields to start glistening,
Wait for the bullets to start whistling.
Here comes a hydrogen bomb, here comes a guided missile,
Here comes a hydrogen bomb: I can almost hear its whistle.
for the lyrics sake, its the M16...
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Antti, Livingston has absolutely nothing to back up his story. Humes claimed he'd never talked to him. There's no record of Livingston's story for what--25 years after the assassination? Even worse, his story makes little sense. Humes, preparing for the autopsy of the President, took the call of a doctor he did not know? Humes. while under strict military control, told Livingston the FBI--who had no authority over Humes--wouldn't let him talk any longer? These assertions shouldn't pass any thinking person's smell test.
It's clear to me that Livingston, much as Joe O'Donnell, is a fraud. Perhaps, as O'Donnell, he had a memory problem, and just told stories to anyone who'd listen. He could very well have believed his assertions. But really, give me a break... a doctor at a civilian hospital takes it upon himself to call a military hospital and inform the autopsy team scheduled to perform the President's autopsy of something DOZENS OF PEOPLE traveling with the president should have known, y'know, just in case these people were incredibly ill-informed. (Which, evidently, they were.) And he does this at a time that NO ONE KNOWS an autopsy is even going to be performed, let alone where it is going to be performed. And he actually gets through, and talks to the doctor heading the autopsy. And this doctor tells him that the FBI--who was only allowed in the hospital as a courtesy--won't let him talk! What's worse--he was calling to tell Humes of a supposed media report of a wound to the throat...at a time when most of the reports were simply saying Kennedy had been hit in the front, and many were still implying he'd been hit in the front...of the head.
my-goodness, you really stepped in it this time, didn't you? Get your facts straight Pat!
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This is the sort of post which could give the forum a really bad name. It's so full of ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims. "is a nazi"... No, he isn't. It's easy to condemn everyone you disagree with as a fascist or a nazi. It saves addressing issues and policies. I may not like everything the Governor of California stands for, but that is far from making him a nazi.
"Hitler was just a "hitman" for the austerity policy of Brooklyn born banker Hjalmar Schact [at least you could spell his name correctly!] and his Wall Street and London banker friends."
You've been corrected on the error of historical fact but have chosen to ignore this. The following is from the entry on Schacht on John Simkin's Spartacus site:
"Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht, the son of a salesman, was born in Tinglev, Germany, on 22nd January, 1877."
Mike,
I only call Arnold Schwarzenegger a nazi because that is precisely what he is. It is not intended as an insult or to upset the forum members. I use the term nazi in the strictest sense of the word. Like calling a "glass of milk" a "glass of milk".
As far as Schacht, it would appear that there is conflicting accounts of his birthplace. Like Colby you try and twist a fact to make it appear important. The truth is Schacht was no German creation, he had lived in America with his father and was an asset of the Bank of England and the House of Morgan. His job was to bring the Wall Street and London bankers to support Adolph Hitler to Chancellor of Germany. A Germany that had been a staunch allie of the United States during the 19th century. You dont know your history.
Unholy Trinity:The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks
Mark Aarons and John Loftus, NY: St. Martin's Griffin, 1991, 1998, p.294.)
"It is hard to believe now, but fifty or sixty years ago, Nazism was seen as a good thing by many foreign investors. Fascism, so it was thought, was simply an external manifestation of the attitudes of the conservative German people who were traditionally hostile towards Communistst and labor unions. Some of the most prominent and respected German industrialists -- such as the Thyssen family and the Brooklyn-born Hjalmar Schacht -- reassured the American investors that Hitler was simply 'a dog on a chain' to keep the left out of power in Germany."
This the same Brooklyn-born Hjalmar Schacht, William Dodd wrote of in his diary as Ambassador to Berlin (Amb. August 1933–29 December 1937)? The same Schact that dealt with the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) concerning GOLD dollar Bond defaults (amongst other things) circa. 1924-33? Specifically, The Dawes Plan, then The Young Plan? Born and lived in Brooklyn?
How do you define Schact as an asset of the House of Morgan, re this post? Maybe an asset of the BIS, but Morgan?
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Just curious to see who's planning on being at either of the Dallas conferences coming up next month ...?
I am going to the Lancer conference.
Say hi to Wild-Bill Miller and Gary Mack for me, thanks.
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This is classic. While the financial system is evaporating before our eyes, the "austerity" Governator of California decides to get in on the bail out money.
Governater Arnie looking to sell gold backed dollar bonds, then default on them? (Really Terry, associating Arnie to NAZI *Schact* is not only out there, but unfair and foolish). He's doing EXACTLY what a Governor should do, lookout for States (in this case California) interest...
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The silence is deafening.
The evidence cited by the WC, as twisted as it is, only ties Oswald to a Carcano model 91/24, which was a cut-off version of a rifle with a progressive twist barrel. The rifle recovered in the TSBD was a model 91/38, and there is no evidence on record explaining how Oswald might have come into possession of a 91/38.
SO...since the 91/38 is most likely the murder weapon...but it's not the same rifle the WC has "proved" was received from Klein's by Oswald...as Desi used to say to Lucy, somebody's "got some 'splainin' to do." Did Oswald obtain the 91/38? From whom? When? How? Or if the 91/38 wasn't Oswald's, why was the serial number "coincidentally" the same as the 91/24 that Oswald DID receive?
The easiest thing for the WC to do...was what they did. They "tracked" the 91/24 from Klein's to Oswald, and then attempted to pass off the 91/38 as the same weapon. Tom has pointed out that the rear sight on the 91/24 is different than the one on the 91/38. So if Oswald had taken the 91/24 and changed out the barrel to one from a 91/38--and, assuming the 91/38 barrel was unstamped [without a serial number], had stamped the same C2766 serial number into the 40-inch barrel--there would still be the matter of the rifle in custody having the 91/24 rear sight, as I understand the evidence before me. And from what I've read, the rear sight on the rifle in custody seems to be the correct one for a 91/38.
So...where did the 91/38 rifle come from? And did it ever actually come into Oswald's possession? Tom, help me out here...you seem to have hinted that Harry Holmes may have inspected a package containing the 91/38; is there any evidence on record to support this, or are you just "supposin'?"
"is there any evidence on record to support this, or are you just "supposin'?"
Would "educated supposin"/aka educated guess serve to shed some light?
1. As a psuedo-defector to the Soviet Union who had returned to the US, LHO would absolutely have been a target of our own Domestic Surveillance Program.
Which included the "Mail Watch" of virtually anyone who received anything such as those FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA; ACLU; American Communist Party; letters from the Soviet Union; etc; etc; etc; items through the US Postal System.
Therefore, one could assume, as if fact, that LHO's Post Office boxes were being "watched" if for no other reason than that mail which he received. Not to even mention the "defector" to the Soviet Union status.
From indication of the "games played", LHO was of course fully aware of the probabililty that he was being kept track of through the US Mail system.
2. JEH was in a battle to stop the rampant sale of "Male Order" weapons with no true form of ID offered, and an ongoing effort in Congress was being mounted to cease this practice.
Klein's Sporting Goods was one of those companies being investigated for such practices, which would have of course placed it on a "Mail Order" surveillance watch as well.
3. So!
A. Individual who had purportedly attempted to defect to the Soviet Union.
B. Individual who received "subversive" literature from a multitude of various organizations, through the US Postal Service.*
C. Weapon ordered through the mail/US Postal Service from a firm that was on a "Watch List" and was in fact the subject of Congressional Hearings. And which company purportedly has indirect ties to CIA Contract organizations.
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With that stated, on can be virtually assured, that not unlike Timothy McVey, LHO's actions and location were being closely monitered.*
*And I might add, LHO played the game quite well as the US Postal Service as well as the FBI seldom knew exactly where LHO was located/staying.
Therefore, at times, LHO's games required him to stand up, wave his hands, and Yell Here I Am, look at me down here in New Orleans, passing out FPCC posters.
Which means that I am not in Dallas!
Look at me, I am getting a passport and going to Mexico!
Which means that I am not in Dallas!
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both Mark and Tom might be correct here...
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Raymond-
This thread is about Joe Biden.
The forum has a separate thread for trashing Sarah Palin.
Chris
If the moderators rule that it is verboten to mention Saucy Sarah on the Biden thread, then I will cease and desist from mentioning Sarah's obvious lack of qualifications when compared to Biden.
If I am not allowed to point out on this thread how unqualified Sarah is, is it OK if I mention on the Palin thread how much more qualified Biden is?
Raymond-
I was, for the most part, using your post about Palin on the Biden thread to mildly kid you about this matter. Your comment was, of course, not out of line.
No harm intended.
But I would rather see comments on each candidate on his or her respective thread.
I know that it is hard to resist making retorts about the other candidate, because I have refrained from doing so; but, I think it's best to segregate the comments, links, etc. about each candidate.
Chris
"...mildly kid..."? Some would call that, elitist-dancing...
When does the show start or is this intermission?
I'll answer you when I get more time. Typical "format" slander. You really didnt do much work, allowing others to package your BS.
Barack Obama or John McCain
in Political Conspiracies
Posted · Edited by David G. Healy
McOldster simply can't cut it, too angry.... reich-wing radio: tune 'em in.... the morons are racist to the core... Obama and what it takes: fresh, rose colored glasses, intelligent, can make reasonable judgments and decision(s) On that alone, way ahead of The Shrub (Bush) not to mention intelligence...
simple accomplishment: how about not being responsible for the latest financial debacle.... another simplistic answer re health care: it is a RIGHT so socialized medicine....
What is the GOP scared of? Nobody is jumping out of windows, ya think options concerning the GREAT Depression and its aftermath weren't learned?