Chuck Schwartz

Never. he was selected as the patsy in Sept 63 - I believe he was in New Orleans at the time.

MMF is on the CD called My Rough and Rowdy Ways, which is also the title of a song written by Jimmy Reed and Elsie McWilliams,, 

New release date, per Amazon is 8/17/21.

Desmond Fitzgerald and Samuel Halpern.  Per Bill Kelly, "Well Samuel Halpern was an assistant to CIA official Desmond FitzGerald, who was encouraging AMLASH to kill Castro – with a high powered rifle. Halpern and FitzGerald were having lunch together in Geogetown when they learned of the assassination, and as they were leaving FitzGerald remarked that he wondered wheather “his Cubans” – the Pathfinder Cubans trained at JMWAVE, were involved, as they were the ones paid and trained to kill Castro." DAP also wondered out loud if the Cubans trained to kill Castro ended up killing JFK.

Ron, correct, the Doug Horne presentation I am speaking of was given last night (May 5, 2021).

I will post the link here once it is available.  Probably not until next week.  The presentation takes over 2 hours- if I am remembering correctly , there are over 100 charts/pages  Doug covers a lot of ground about JFK and his murder. He called it a high level presentation, but there were a lot of details in it I simply was not aware of. To me, the presentation is a game- changer.  Best presentation I have seen on JFK and his murder since I saw Mark Lane in 1975 in Albany, NY.

Ron, did you see Doug Horne's presentation last night?

LHO was not a willing patsy. He told the press that he did not shoot anybody. That is why LHO had to be killed. He was not going to take the rap willingly. And, as LBJ was reported to have said, there will be no trial of LHO- not now, not ever.

I agree, Ron. 3 shots ( 2 hit in front and 1 probably from the rear). All shots hit within a few seconds of each other. 

Yesterday, a Judge ordered the Justice Dept. to release  the unredacted Mueller report...https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/518981-judge-orders-doj-to-publish-info-redacted-as-privileged-from-mueller

Joseph M., I agree with your statement about the bullet hitting JFK's right temple  and I believe, it would have exited and blown out JFK's left rear brain/skull.

Obama on Dylan: 

One of them listens...

President Obama on Bob Dylan

"Here's what I love about Dylan: He was exactly as you'd expect he would be. He wouldn't come to the rehearsal; usually, all these guys are practicing before the set in the evening. He didn't want to take a picture with me; usually all the talent is dying to take a picture with me and Michelle before the show, but he didn't show up to that. He came in and played 'The Times They Are A-Changin'' A beautiful rendition. The guy is so steeped in this stuff that he can just come up with some new arrangement, and the song sounds completely different. Finishes the song, steps off the stage I'm sitting right in the front row comes up, shakes my hand, sort of tips his head, gives me just a little grin, and then leaves. And that was it then he left. That was our only interaction with him. And I thought: That's how you want Bob Dylan, right? You don't want him to be all cheesin' and grinnin' with you. You want him to be a little skeptical about the whole enterprise. So that was a real treat."

 

 

 

W. Niederhut, Cliff V. Matt A. -- all good /valid points. Lawrence, I do believe the Big Event was approved at very high levels (JCS, CIA executives and some very important business people in the US- in that order of importance to the Big Event).

Chris B.- this is a good article on the subject you asked about..https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-three-failed-plots-to-kill-jfk-the-historians-guide-on-how-to-research-his-assassination

Not to my knowledge. Here is a brief description of the aborted Chicago plot:

According to the FBI, a group of four right–wing extremists, armed with rifles, would probably attempt the assassination while the president’s car was on the Northwest Expressway between O’Hare Airport and downtown Chicago.

Secret Service investigators followed two leads:

• On Thursday 31 October, a landlady telephoned the Chicago police, telling them that she had discovered four rifles in one of her rooms which was rented to a group of four men. The police informed the Secret Service, who took two of the four men into custody the next day. There are no records of any weapons having been discovered. The two men were interrogated, but refused to admit to being part of a conspiracy to murder the president.
• An unknown source accused a man named Thomas Arthur Vallee of threatening to assassinate JFK. Although Vallee was not associated with the two men in custody, he appeared to be a right–wing extremist and he certainly owned several guns and a large quantity of ammunition. At about 9 o’clock on Saturday morning, two hours before Kennedy was due to land at O’Hare, Vallee was stopped by the police on the pretext of having committed a minor driving offence, and was arrested.

Kennedy’s trip to Chicago was called off at the last moment, ostensibly because of the need for the president to monitor the progress of the military coup d’état in South Vietnam, which had taken place the previous day. The two men in custody were released without charge, and have never been identified.

The Chicago Plot and the Dallas Plot

Threats of violence against political figures happen all the time. The significance of the Chicago plot, if there was one, rested on its apparent similarities to the events in Dallas three weeks later. In particular, there were several similarities between the career of Lee Harvey Oswald and Thomas Arthur Vallee’s account of his own career:

• Both were former Marines.
• Both had served at Marine bases in Japan that hosted the U–2 spy plane: Oswald at Atsugi, Vallee at Camp Otsu.
• Both had been involved with anti–Castro Cubans: Oswald in New Orleans, Vallee at a training camp at Levittown on Long Island, New York.
• Both had recently started working at premises that overlooked the routes of presidential parades: Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository on Elm Street in Dallas, Vallee at IPP Litho–Plate at 625 West Jackson Boulevard in Chicago.

There were two other curious coincidences:

• The tip–off to the FBI about the assassination plot in Chicago came from an informant identified only as ‘Lee’. In the first few weeks after the assassination, there were rumours that Lee Oswald had been a paid informant of the FBI.
• Thomas Vallee was arrested at 9:10am Chicago time, having been under constant surveillance since the previous day. Five minutes later, at 10:15 Washington time, President Kennedy’s press spokesman, Pierre Salinger, announced that the visit to Chicago had been cancelled. The decision to cancel the trip had presumably been made several minutes earlier. The timing has led some commentators to conclude that Vallee was allowed to remain on the streets until he was no longer required to perform his unwitting role as designated patsy.

Edwin Black and Abraham Bolden

Edwin Black: ‘The Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago’

The main source of information about the Chicago plot is an article by the investigative journalist, Edwin Black, ‘The Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago’, Chicago Independent, November 1975, which is available in various formats at:

• scribd.com
• archive.org
• thechicagoplot.com

Black’s main source was a former Secret Service agent, Abraham Bolden, who was also interviewed by James Douglass for his book, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Orbis Books, 2008; see pp.200–207, 213–217.

Abraham Bolden and the Secret Service

Abraham Bolden claimed that the Secret Service had not informed the Warren Commision of the events in Chicago. When he attempted to contact J. Lee Rankin, the General Counsel of the Warren Commission, Bolden was arrested and charged with accepting a bribe. He was convicted after a retrial, and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Bolden claimed that he had been framed. He had been convicted on the word of two known counterfeiters, one of whom later admitted in court that he had committed perjury when testifying against Bolden.

Abraham Bolden published an autobiography, The Echo From Dealey Plaza: The True Story of the First African American on the White House Secret Service Detail and his Quest for Justice after the Assassination of JFK, Crown Publishing/Random House, 2008. For more about the book and the Thomas Vallee affair, see:

• John Delane Williams, ‘Review of The Echo From Dealey Plaza,’ Dealey Plaza Echo, vol.12 no.2, July 2008, pp.51–54.
• Frederick Lowe, ‘New Book Explores Racism and the US Secret Service,’ North Star News, 25 May 2014.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated Bolden’s account of events in Chicago. It pointed out that “no agent who had been assigned to Chicago confirmed any aspect of Bolden’s version”, which it found to be of “questionable authenticity” (HSCA Report, pp.231f).

• Did Lee Oswald Shoot at General Walker?
• Why Did Lee Harvey Oswald Kill President Kennedy?

Chris B., there are some who say it was Landsdale who was escorting the 3 tramps out of Dealy Plaza.  But, DAP was an active CIA Officer at the time of the big event. He could communicate upwards within the CIA and with  Earle Cabell , the Mayor of Dallas, at the time of the Big Event. Earle , it now appears was a CIA Asset and his brother, Charles worked 9 yrs. for Dulles in the CIA.  Both Charles Cabell and Alan Dulles were fired by JFK over the BOP. Earle, as the mayor of Dallas, controlled the DPD.  In other words, Landsdale was not as wired into the inner workings of the CIA as was DAP. But, Landsdale could have played a role in the Big Event.

Wallace did win 5 or 6 southern states - so he did hurt Nixon.  But , McGovern only won 1 state . So, Nixon won in a landslide in 1972.

Chris B. - I think DAP was in Dallas the day of the Big Event (based on a comment attributed to DAP's brother).  His friend,McLendon, owned a radio station in Dallas.  Ruby visited that station around the time of the Big Event.  So, yes, I believe DAP was in charge of the logistics of the Big Event.

And, it does not surprise me that LeMay and Krulak had Landsdale removed because of Landsdale's position on Vietnam.  I believe they had JFK removed because of his (JFK's)  postion on Vietnam.

And, I believe LeMay and Krulak helped develop the Domino theory (if we don't stop communism in Vietnam, it will spread to the rest of Asia).  It did not surprise me when LeMay decided to run as the Vice Presidential candidate with George Wallace as the Presidential candidate.  

No problem, John.  There is a large exit wound in the back (left side) of JFK's head and entry wound was in the right front temple.  You can almost draw a line from the exit wound to the entry wound to the fence on top of the grassy knoll.  

When I view the Zapruder film, I see Jackie climbing on the back of the limo (to retrieve the part of JFK's brain that was blown out the exit wound).

Mark , I believe the Zapruder is useful as evidence.  I just believe there were 2 head shots to JFK that were not fully revealed in the Zapruder film we have now.  I believe the 2 head shots to JFK were from the front and to the side (s) - I believe the grassy knoll.  I don't believe LHO killed JFK  and wounded Connally- in fact, I don't believe he shot anything on that day. He was just the patsy. 

Based on everything I have read about the Big Event, I believe 8 shots were fired.  I can't relate the shots to the Zapruder film- it has been altered too much, in my opinion. I do believe the Zapruder fillm is very significant, though.  And, I don't believe you can use the sound track to determine the number of shots.  Again, I think the sound track is also very important, though. There are people who have said there were 2 or 3 shots in the windshield and other parts of the limo.  There was at least one shot that missed the limo completely. I believe JFK was hit 3 times and Connally twice (based on their wounds and each wound was caused by a unique bullet (there were no magic bullets)).

I think Dr. Mantik offers some insight into this subject with this presentation he made on 4/21/21..https://www.fff.org/freedom-in-motion/video/jfks-head-wounds/?utm_source=FFF+Daily&utm_campaign=7d88eb91b0-FFF+Daily+05-01-2021&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1139d80dff-7d88eb91b0-318111122

You can copy the above URL address and paste it where your URL addresses normally are in your computer and then hit enter.

Thank you ,Ty.  There is one more by Dr. Mantik which I have not posted yet. Dr. Mantik's presentation was also very good.

These presentations were sponsored by the Foundation for Freedom (FFF), which I know very little about.  I think Jim DiEugenio may belong to it. He also made an early presentation.

John, this presentation also hurts the SBT..https://www.fff.org/freedom-in-motion/video/how-five-investigations-into-jfks-medical-autopsy-evidence-got-it-wrong/?utm_source=FFF+Daily&utm_campaign=6982fd8a1a-FFF+Daily+04-30-2021&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1139d80dff-6982fd8a1a-318111122 (copy and pasted where you put URL addresses on your computer and then hit enter- it is a recent presentation made by Gary Aguilar)

Good Catch, Pete.

Denny, it would not surprise me that   "

Felipe Vidal Santiago and Roy Hargraves were Dark Complected Man and Umbrella Man."