Jim Hargrove

Is this true, Mr. Bojczuk? Have you and Jonathan Cohen "always agreed that there is evidence Oswald was impersonated at various points in his life?" We can get back to our usual debates when you answer this question. EDIT: Well, since I started a new thread about Mr. Cohen's amazing statement, I guess I can go back to debating Mr. B.

I’ve thought quite a bit about that too. I eventually decided it didn’t happen that way for two reasons. First, the bulk of the evidence just doesn’t seem to show that that’s what happened and, second, it probably would have been dangerous for Harvey Oswald’s handler to tell him exactly what to wear that day. If I was an intelligence asset going to work on 11/22/63, and my handler told me to wear a certain type of shirt, a certain type of pants and even what jacket to put on, I’d sure as heck start asking questions. And that is the last thing Harvey Oswald’s handlers would have wanted to happen. Harvey simply HAD to be in the Book Depository building when JFK drove by, or all that careful planning would have been put in serious jeopardy. One thing we perhaps can all agree on is that if you are planning to assassinate a sitting U.S. president in broad daylight on the streets of Dallas, you simply MUST have a designated patsy. Without one, the search for you would be relentless and you would most likely be caught. When Lee Oswald got spooked on the rear stairway and ducked into the office to be seen by Mrs. Reid, I think that was a mistake largely due to the fact that he wasn’t aware of the rules that TSBD laborers were not supposed to be in the office. Also, sorry I can’t help you out with the Tippit autopsy. I’ve just never studied it and you surely know more about it than I do. The most helpful thing I can think of is that carefully worded Google searches usually turn up pretty good results, including from right here on the Ed Forum.

Don’t be shy, Jonathan. Since you and Mr. B. have “always agreed that there is evidence Oswald was impersonated at various points in his life,” please be more specific. I’m really astounded by your admission! All this name-calling and apparent outrage by you and Mr. B. is just the result of a disagreement about how many times and for how long LHO was impersonated? That’s it? You wouldn’t be more interested in protecting the CIA than anything else, would you? Do you think LHO was impersonated while one Oswald was being treated for VD in Japan while the other was on the high seas bound for Formosa, or when one was at Bolton Ford in New Orleans while the other was in Russia, or how ‘bout when one Oswald tried to buy rifles from Cuban gun supplier Robert McKeown while the other Oswald was with the Murrets at Lake Pontchartrain? These are just suggestions for you. Feel free to add to the list, but no doubt you will want to be more specific after your astounding admission. Give us the specifics about how you and Mr. B. have “always agreed that there is evidence Oswald was impersonated at various points in his life.”

Nevertheless,the bus and taxi Oswald DID leave the building wearing a blue/grey jacket, as recalled by Cecil McWatters, bus passenger Roy Milton Jones, and taxi driver William Whaley. And how was that jacket discovered in the TSBD days after the assassination? By none other than Roy Truly, who, of course, couldn’t remember who gave it to him. This is the same man who, unarmed, fearlessly charged up the staircase ahead of an armed policeman toward the so-called “sniper’s nest.” And it makes perfect sense in the unfolding cover-up since Westbrook “found” the white “Eisenhower style” jacket near 10th and Patton. Someone decided it was best to account for the blue jacket. Again, the blue jacket had to be accounted for since it wasn’t the white jacket “found” by Westbrook. As to the bus transfer, here it is again, with the obvious signs it was folded in thirds and more. McWatters, Bledsoe, and Jones all remembered the blond-haired lady getting on the bus at the same time as Harvey Oswald, getting off the bus at the same time as Harvey, and that both the lady and Harvey were given bus transfers by McWatters. Oswald told Capt. Fritz and his interrogators about a blond woman asking William Whaley to call her a taxi, just after Oswald got into Whaley's cab. William Whaley told the WC the same story--that just after Oswald got into the front seat of his taxi, a blond lady asked him to call a taxi for her. How is it possible that Oswald's and Whaley's stories match so well, unless the taxi ride actually happened and was remembered by both Oswald and Whaley? Ah, but the evidence young Mr. Jones gave the FBI clearly shows that the man he saw briefly and sat behind him was the bus and taxi Oswald. According to the FBI report, “Jones advised that before the bus was stopped the driver made his last passenger pickup approximately six blocks before Houston Street, that one was a blonde-haired woman and the other was a dark-haired man. The same blonde-haired woman seen getting on and off the bus with Oswald by driver McWatters. Taxi driver William Whaley, who Mr. B. clearly does not want to talk about, not only recalled the bracelet on Harvey Oswald’s left wrist, and the blue/gray jacket, but he also recalled a blond woman who asked him to call a taxi just after Harvey Oswald got in. Our bet is that the blond-haired lady was following Harvey Oswald. John’s take is that the Kennedy Assassination was masterminded by a handful of CIA personnel, anxious to tie Classic Oswald® to Cuba and Castro and thus provoke an invasion of Cuba. That is hardly how the Warren Report summarized the whole thing.

John, Well, it's interesting to see that Mr. B. and Jonathan Cohen "have always agreed that there is evidence Oswald was impersonated at various points in his life." Perhaps Mr. B. will tell us, specifically, which times Oswald was impersonated.

Whenever Jonathan Cohen hurls the insults like above, I'm posting this: David Mantik, Joseph McBride, Dr. James Norwood, David Josephs, Robert Groden, among many others, including many others on this forum, have held Harvey and Lee in the highest regard. If memory serves, Mr. Mantik once said it was his favorite book on the subject. John Armstrong has been a guest on Len Osanic's Black Op Radio at least a dozen times. Two YouTube movies by “MrChrillemannen,”presenting John Armstrong interviews with accompanying graphics, have been viewed more than 700,000 times! Captain Westbrook, officer Tippit and Oswald's double and Who impersonated Lee Harvey Oswald? John’s work has spawned, not counting “The Other Oswald,” which is somewhat different, at least three different books in recent years. The JFK Assassination and the Uncensored Story of the Two Oswalds From an Amazon review: “I'd read a good chunk of Armstrong's Harvey and Lee, but Shannan provided clarity for me on the matter of Marguerite Oswald in particular and the whole thesis in general. So much easier to read this digest than the master's unedited tome.” DOPPELGANGER: The Legend of Lee Harvey OswaldI also believe there were two LHOs. There's a whole section in Groden's "The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald" entitled "Too Many Oswalds." In her renowned book "Accessories After the Fact" Sylvia Meagher had pages and pages under the heading "Two Oswalds." Dr. Schwimmer’s best-seller is already in it’s fifth (or maybe it's sixth now) edition. From the publisher’s blurb: “More than 300 sources, including many sworn testimonies & affidavits, were consulted, as well as John Armstrong’s massive research project HARVEY AND LEE. One fact led to another, until a coherent picture began to emerge from the immense pile of puzzle pieces…. That picture includes the background of Harvey as a juvenile immigrant fluent in Russian, and the creation of the second ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and the second ‘Marguerite Oswald.’ The picture continues with the recruitment of both Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald by the ONI and the CIA, followed by Harvey’s assumption of Lee’s identity, his ‘defection’ to Russia, and Lee’s involvement with the Cuban revolution and the CIA..…” Mistaken Identity From the publisher’s blurb: "New forensic and evidentiary material not published, proves that two individuals known as "Lee Harvey Oswald" enlisted in the U.S. Marines in 1956 using the same birth certificate. Recent genealogical research identifies them as second cousins through intermarriage of second-generation French families in New Orleans. It created a nightmare of identity for the FBI." When people here tell you "Harvey and Lee" has all been debunked and that nobody believes it, don't believe them.

I see. We both agree that LHO has been impersonated multiple times, we just disagree on how many times and for how long, eh? Let's take a look at the record.... 1. Way back in 1948, one LHO was living at 101 San Saba in Benbrook while the other was at 3330 Willig St. (and then 7408 Ewing) in Fort Worth. 2. In 1953 the Russian-speaking LHO (Harvey) was sent to Youth House for truancy, fled to Stanley, North Dakota to avoid further entanglement with the NYC legal system, and started attending Beauregard JHS in New Orleans that fall, all the while the American-born LHO (Lee) had good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC. 3. During the fall semester of 1954, Harvey attended Stripling School in Fort Worth while Lee attended Beauregard School in New Orleans. 4. By the mid-1950s, both Oswalds had various sometimes conflicting jobs, which eventually required the FBI to destroy all the original employment (and school) records for both young men and to create a false employment and education legend. The Social Security Administration refused to corroborate the Official Story® of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps." 5. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: My favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan. Other examples from USMC unit diaries and testimony show how the two LHOs associated with completely different groups of Marines both early and late in their enlistment periods. 6. While Russian-speaking HARVEY was in the Soviet Union, American-born LEE was active briefly as an agent provocateur in NYC, working with Marita Lorenz and anti-Castro Cubans in and around Florida, visiting Bolton Ford dealership in New Orleans, and much more. 7. One Oswald never had a driver’s license and could not drive while the other had a valid Texas driver’s license and could drive, including doing work for Jack Ruby in 1963 involving cars. 8. American-born LEE Oswald appeared in Baytown, TX on Labor Day weekend in 1963 attempting to purchase rifles from Fidel Castro’s friend and gun supplier Robert McKeown. At the time, Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald and his family were on holiday with the Murrets at Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana. 9. In October 1963, two different young men, both claiming to be “Lee Harvey Oswald,” appeared before Texas Employment Commission employee Laura Kittrell, the first on October 3 and again a few days later, the second on October 22. Ms Kittell told the HSCA’s Gaeton Fonzi that the second Oswald “looked the same,” and had “the same general outline and coloring and build, but there was something so different in his bearing.” 10. While the other Oswald was elsewhere, LEE Oswald visited the Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target. 11. On Nov. 2 one LHO visited Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth. 12. Also on Nov. 2 LEE Oswald visited the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he test drove a car at recklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car. (Remember that Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald did not have a driver’s license.) 13. On Nov. 6 or 7 LEE Oswald visited the Irving Furniture Mart for a gun part and was referred by the ladies there to the shop where Dial Ryder worked. 14. On Nov. 15, LEE Oswald went to the Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) and applied for a job and asked how high the Southland Building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas. 15. On Nov. 20 “Oswald” hitch-hiked on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4 foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introduced himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” discussed the President's visit, and asked to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” was already working). 16. On Nov. 22, both LHOs were in Dealey Plaza. One left in a bus and then a taxi; the other got into a Nash Rambler station wagon. That's a lot of impersonations. Could there be a simpler explanation?

John, I believe the first person to publish high quality images of the photos Reed took was Robert Groden in his superb coffee-table book The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, which also has a very good write-up called "Too Many Oswalds." There are some discussions of Reed on this forum. Note the document below:

Nonsense. That blue/grey jacket was “discovered” (planted) at the TSBD and put into evidence long after the assassination. At least three people said that (HARVEY) Oswald had a grey/light blue jacket—bus driver Cecil McWatters, bus passenger Roy Milton Jones, and taxi driver William Whaley. Mr. Ball. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket? 
 Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir. Jones said Oswald was wearing a "light blue" jacket. Nonsense. It is quite obvious that a taxi driver would better remember his single passenger than a bus driver would remember dozens of different passengers. And Whaley remembered him well. Mr. Ball. Was there anything in particular about him beside his clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets? Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir: he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet....I always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification bracelets like these, because I make them myself ... It was just a common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of chain links and not stretchbands. Stretchbands are unusual because there is very few of them." And as I pointed out earlier, Sylvia Meagher's outstanding book has page after page about Two Oswalds. Let's look at a little more of it. Mr. B. goes on and on saying how John A. and I are dishonest and saying we wear "tin foil hats" and those sorts of insults, but the truth is, there is a trainload of evidence for Two Oswalds. To see a whole lot more of it, try reading: HARVEYANDLEE.NET

Mr. B. perpetually mocks the Two Oswald anaylsis. But there are at least three different times that the United States government has admitted the possibility (and once the certainty) of an Oswald impersonator. Back in 1960, J. Edgar Hoover wrote, “there is a possibility that an imposter is using Oswald’s birth certificate. Less than a year later, the State Department’s Edward J. Hickey wrote, “it has been stated that there in an imposter using Oswald’s identification data….” " At 10 AM on the morning following the Kennedy assassination, President Lyndon Johnson and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover discussed the state of the case over the telephone. Hoover stated, in unequivocal terms, that LHO had been impersonated in Mexico City. "No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there." [Listen to the conversation here.]

Steve, Thank you for the link. It has a good image of the bracelet. For some reason, the online Archive description no longer says “stretch” bracelet. But here is the original DPD list that includes the following: “I.D. stretch band with ‘Lee’ inscribed,” just as cab driver Whaley described it.

Mr. B. suggests forum members read “Sylvia Meagher's Accessories After the Fact, pp. 75-83.” I’d also suggest they read pp. 359-387 of that fine book, beginning with the heading “Two Oswalds.” Mr. B. says, “The bus transfer supposedly found in Oswald's shirt pocket was in pristine condition despite his having been severely manhandled during and after his arrest.” I’d suggest doing what John Armstrong did: Get a good photograph of the front and back of the transfer directly from the National Archives. The photo from the back clearly shows that it was folded into thirds and then a corner was also folded over. U.S. Army employee Stuart Reed had apparent foreknowledge of several of the events that day, because he took not only pictures of the TSBD facade and “sniper’s nest” window, but also of Oswald’s arrest at the Texas Theater and even front and back pictures of what might well be McWatters’ bus approaching the TSBD. Mr. B. wrote: “the basic presumption is far-fetched: that an assassin fleeing the scene of the crime would get on a bus that was heading straight back to the scene of the crime (not to mention that the bus wasn't heading close to the rooming house which was the supposed assassin's supposed destination).” Harvey Oswald was NOT an assassin. As he said in front of a television camera, “I’m just a patsy.” It is clear that, for most of that fateful day, Oswald was following instructions. The instruction to get on that bus probably came for Bill Shelley. Does anyone seriously doubt that the movements of a designated on assassination day had to be controlled. One of the reasons LHO was picked as the fall guy was that he had already demonstrated he could follow even difficult instructions. (Consider, for example, how he slit his wrist rather than fail in his assignment to enter and live in Russia.) Multiple witness saw J.D. Tippit and his patrol car at the Gloco station on N. Zang Blvd. soon after the assassination. When McWatters’ bus arrived there and Oswald did not get off, Tippit drove away and soon asked for a telephone at the Top 10 Record Store. A reasonable assumption is that Tippit was waiting for Oswald at the Gloco station and, when Oswald didn’t arrive, Tippit sought instructions on a private line, not his police radio. Mr. B. writes: “Jim and the Warren Commission rely on the honesty of the FBI, Secret Service and other officials who reported what Oswald is supposed tMr. B. also wrote, “All we have is unreliable witnesses making contradictory claims. There is no good reason to believe that either Bledsoe or Oswald were on McWatters' bus. This leaves a significant void in the Warren Commission and 'Harvey and Lee' narrative.”o have said under interrogation. But we know that they did not report everything Oswald said honestly or accurately.” Just a half hour after his arrest, Harvey Oswald told Capt. Fritz, in the presence of Det. Elmer Boyd, Det. M.G. Hall, Det. Richard Sims, and FBI Agents Bookhout and Hosty, that he rode a bus home. As John Armstrong wrote: “The following day, at 10:30 AM, (HARVEY) Oswald was again interrogated by Capt Fritz in the presence of SS Agent Thomas Kelley, FBI agent Jim Bookhout, US Marshall Robert Nash, SA David Grant, SAIC Forrest Sorrels, Det. Elmer Boyd, and Det M.G. Hall. Harvey Oswald again said that he rode a bus and secured a bus transfer (which was removed from his shirt pocket by Det. Sims the previous day). A total of seventeen people, including a Secret Service Agent, a US Marshall, FBI Agents, DPD Detectives, and Capt Fritz were present during interrogations when (HARVEY) Oswald said that he rode a bus. Twelve people were present during interrogations when (HARVEY) Oswald said that he had obtained a bus transfer.” Mr. B. also wrote, “All we have is unreliable witnesses making contradictory claims. There is no good reason to believe that either Bledsoe or Oswald were on McWatters' bus. This leaves a significant void in the Warren Commission and 'Harvey and Lee' narrative.” John A. answered all or most of these objections years ago on our website: Naysayers criticize bus driver Cecil McWatters because he could not positively identify (HARVEY) Oswald as a passenger on his bus. Naysayers ignore McWatters' description of this one passenger and his clothing—a man who rode in the middle of the bus for only 4 minutes. These naysayers forget there were perhaps dozens of bus passengers on several of McWatters' bus runs on 11/22/63, yet they endlessly criticize him for not remembering details about this one passenger. Naysayers criticize the testimony and memory of Milton Jones, who remembered Oswald as a passenger and remembered his light blue jacket and grey pants. Naysayers conveniently forget that Oswald sat behind Jones, and only saw Oswald for a few seconds when he boarded and got off McWatters' bus. Naysayers criticize the testimony and memory of Oswald's former landlady Mary Bledsoe, who described Oswalds dark brown shirt, the hole in the sleeve, and the missing buttons very well. Naysayers believe that Oswald changed the shirt he wore to work at his rooming house before he went to the theater, relying on the reports of Kelley and Bookhout. Therefore, naysayers criticize Bledsoe because her description of the shirt matches the shirt Oswald was wearing at the theater when arrested. Naysayers claim that Oswald changed his shirt at his rooming house, citing the reports of Kelley and Bookhout, who wrote that Oswald removed a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar and placed it in the lower drawer of his dresser. The problem with their reports is that Oswald did not own a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar. He did own one, and only one, reddish-brown shirt, but this shirt did not have a button down collar (CE 150) and this was the shirt Oswald was wearing when arrested in the Texas Theater. All of Oswald shirts were listed in DPD inventory. In the Warren Volumes these shirts are photographed and identified as WC #150 & 151 & 152-all long sleeved, and not one shirt is reddish-colored, long-sleeved, with a button down collar. WC # 153 & 154 & 155 & 160 are all short sleeved shirts. Oswald could not have removed a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar, because he didn't own such a shirt. Oswald did remove one shirt and put it in his dresser drawer, as he told Capt. Fritz. This was his dirty white t-shirt, soiled around the collar. Naysayers criticize Mary Bledsoe and say that she did not see Oswald on the bus, because she saw “only a glimpse of him.” Naysayers forget that Oswald rented one of 3 bedrooms in her home and she saw him on a daily basis only 5 weeks before the assassination. He talked on the telephone constantly and interrupted her naps. Mrs. Bledsoe remembered that Oswald often spoke in a foreign language on her telephone. She was very familiar with Oswald's face and physique. Mrs. Bledsoe only needed a “glimpse” of (HARVEY) Oswald to recognize him instantly. Naysayers constantly criticize Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley for their less than perfect memories. But Oswald was only in their presence for a mere 4-6 minutes. Naysayers conveniently forget that Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley all remembered that Oswald wore light colored grey pants on the bus and taxi. Oswald told Capt. Fritz that he had changed his dirty trousers (light colored grey pants) in his room. When arrested, Oswald was wearing very dark pants. His dirty light colored grey pants were later found in his room by police. How could Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley have known Oswald was wearing light grey pants on the bus/taxi unless they had personally seen him? Naysayers claim that McWatters never gave Oswald a bus transfer. If McWatters never gave bus transfer #004459 to Oswald, then perhaps naysayers would care to explain why Dallas Police called the Dallas Transit Division Superintendent. Explain how Mr. F.F. Yates was able to immediately identify McWatters as the driver who issued the bus transfer. Do the naysayers expect us to believe that Dallas Transit supervisors were coerced into going along with a fabricated story that the bus ride never happened? Naysayers ignore the fact that transfer #004459 came from McWatters' transfer book. They ignore McWatters' testimony that he remembered giving a transfer to Oswald and a transfer to a blond haired lady when both were getting off the bus. Naysayers ignore Mary Bledsoe's testimony that she spoke briefly with the blond lady when McWatters gave her a transfer. How would Oswald know about a blond-haired lady on McWatters bus unless he had ridden on that bus? Naysayers claim the bus transfer at the National Archives does not have a crease in the middle, so it was never folded and put in Oswald's pocket. Naysayers ignore the fact that National Archivist Steve Hamilton confirmed that the bus transfer has a crease in the middle, indicating that it had at one time been folded. Naysayers question the number of transfers given out by McWatters on 11/22/63. They know the first transfer McWatters issued was #004452, and they know the police found transfer #004459 in Oswald's shirt pocket. They claim, correctly, that McWatters gave out 8 transfers (#004452 to #004459). But they then claim that because McWatters told the WC that he gave out only two transfers, that 6 transfers were “missing.” Once again, these naysayers are simply misreading testimony. McWatters told the WC, “Yes, sir; I gave him one [bus transfer] about two blocks from where he got on [at Griffin]...that is the transfer because it had my punch mark on it....I gave only two transfers going through town on that trip [going through town on that trip!] and that was at the one stop of where I gave the lady and the gentlemen that got off the bus, I issued two transfers....But that was the only two transfers were issued [on that ONE trip thru town]. Very simple. McWatters issued six transfers prior to picking up Oswald and the blond lady (prior to 12:40 PM). He then issued a transfer to the blond lady and a transfer to Oswald when they got off the bus (circa 12:44 PM). Oswald told Capt. Fritz and his interrogators about a blond woman asking William Whaley to call her a taxi, just after Oswald got into Whaley's taxi. William Whaley told the WC the same story--that just after Oswald got into the front seat of his taxi, a blond lady asked him to call a taxi for her. How is it possible that Oswald's and Whaley's stories match perfectly, unless the taxi ride acutally happened and was remembered by both Oswald and Whaley? Naysayers conveniently forget that Oswald's reference to a blond-haired lady, which he told to Capt. Fritz and numerous law enforcement officers during interrogations, was also remembered by Cecil McWatters, Mary Bledsoe, and Roy Milton Jones. Naysayers criticize William Whaley for saying that Oswald had a silverlike strip on his shirt. Naysayers ignore and intentionally overlook that Whaley also said Oswald was wearing a brown long-sleeve shirt and a t-shirt with a soiled collar. Naysayers criticize William Whaley because he said Oswald's bracelet was a “stretchband,” when it looks like a “chain link” bracelet. But naysayers, once again, should do their homework. Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed.” Naysayers also fail so explain how Whaley could have known that Oswald was wearing any kind of silver-colored bracelet, unless he saw the bracelet himself on Oswald's left arm while riding in his taxi. Naysayers criticize William Whaley when he said that he drove Oswald to Neches and Beckley, because this address is non-existent. Naysayers conveniently fail to remember that Oswald instructed Whaley to drive to the 500 block of N. Beckley. As Whaley was driving south on N. Beckley, Oswald said “this will do.” Whaley then stopped randomly in the street, at an unknown address, and Oswald got out of his taxi. Whaley wrote “500 N. Beckley” in his manifest because that is what he remembered Oswald told him when he first got into his taxi. Naysayers criticize William Whaley because he wrote down the time of Oswald's taxi ride incorrectly in his manifest. Naysayers conveniently forget that Whaley explained to the WC that he always wrote the times of his taxi rides in 15-minute intervals. And said that he often wrote two, three, or four of these entries in his manifest at the same time, long after the taxi rides. Whaley said that when he got back to the Union Terminal he made an entry of the trip (to N Beckley) on his manifest for the day. Naysayers criticize taxi driver William Whaley for naming the number 3 man in the police lineup as Oswald, when he was identified by the police as the number 2 man. Naysayers ignore the explanation that Whaley gave to the WC. Whaley simply said that LHO, walking from left to the right, was the 3rd man brought out for the lineup. From left to right, according to the police, Oswald was the #2 man. Naysayers criticize and criticize these witnesses over the smallest of details, in an attempt to “prove” that the bus and taxi ride never happened. This is the extent of their “research.” Naysayers ignore the fact that Capt. Fritz and many law enforcement officers heard Oswald say that he rode a bus, got a bus transfer, got into a taxi, offered to let a blond-haired lady have his taxi, and paid an 85 cent fare. The facts are that Mary Bledsoe and Roy Milton Jones testified that Oswald was on McWatters bus, transfer #004459 was found in Oswald's shirt pocket, William Whaley testified that Oswald rode in his taxi, that Oswald offered to let a blond-haired lady have his taxi, and that Oswald paid 95 cents in taxi fare. Witness testimony and evidence match pretty well with what Oswald told his interrogators. Naysayers criticize, criticize, and criticize these witnesses for not having perfect memories. Yet these naysayers never produce a single document or a single witness by which to prove the taxi and bus ride never happened. Nor can they offer an ounce of PROOF as to what they think COULD HAVE happened—only speculation, fantasies, and daydreams. Just as would be expected, taxi driver William Whaley remembered more about Oswald than the witnesses on a crowded bus, but, of course, Mr. B. doesn’t even consider the taxi ride.

Steve, Thanks for the info on the Dallas Police Archives. I’m not familiar with the Erich Kaminsky encounter, but we believe Harvey left the TSBD from the north side, that he walked to the domino room, picked up his light blue/grey jacket, walked out the back of the TSBD onto the loading dock, walked down the steps on the east side of the building (on Houston Street), and began walking toward Elm St. Lee Oswald, otoh, probably left the building from the west side.

Mentions of Oswald and the School Book Depository seem incomplete unless the work of journalist Elzie Glaze is considered, which seems to indicate that Oswald's supervisor, Bill Shelley, worked for the CIA. In this Ed Forum post from 2006, researcher William Weston re-published his article from the May 1999 issue of "Fourth Decade." Here is an excerpt from the posted article, with emphasis added by me: In late 1974, while working as a journalist in Dallas, Glaze met a woman who began working for the Book Depository in 1969 - six years after the assassination. (She was no longer working there at the time she spoke to Glaze.) Her supervisor was William Shelley. The company, she said, had a strange way of introducing new employees to their duties. She and another new employee were approached by two men, who produced I.D. wallets and identified themselves as "government agents." They were taken to an empty room and given questionnaires to fill out. These exams were full of oddly irrelevant questions, calling for opinions on various topics of the day, especially social issues. Obediently the two employees wrote out their answers. When they were done, they gave the sheets back, and in the short pause that followed, one of the examiners bluntly asked: "Have you been recruited by the FBI or the CIA?" The two employees were stunned. As ordinary office workers, they were only doing minor clerical tasks at low wages. Why would anyone think that they came from the FBI or the CIA? While it was true that the Book Depository had acquired the notoriety of being the place where Oswald shot the President, still by 1969 that should have been ancient history. Yet even more disturbing were the next questions that came to mind. If the Book Depository was just an insignificant, little company, why would it be attracting the attention of the two biggest intelligence establishments in the country? Furthermore, what was the intrigue that was spurring these "government agents" to hunt down unwanted infiltrators? Glaze asked the woman if she and her co-worker were the only ones subjected to this kind of treatment. No, they were not the only ones. Background checks on new employees were done as a routine procedure at the Book Depository. After listening to the woman's account, Glaze decided to check it out. He contacted her former supervisor, William Shelley, and asked to meet with him. Shelley agreed to this request and even allowed the reporter to take notes and use a tape recorder. The meeting took place at the Book Depository warehouse near the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35 on the far northwest side of Dallas. (The company had moved from its old location on 411 Elm Street in 1970.) The information that Glaze was gathering must have been extensive, for the two men had numerous meetings together. Yet only a few disclosures are provided in the letters. The most significant one appears in the 1989 letter: "Mr. Shelley claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA." This extraordinary revelation goes far in explaining the mysteries of the Book Depository, and a discussion of its implications will be given later in this article. There is also a strong visual suggestion that Shelley was photographed with Oswald at the New Orleans Trade Mart earlier in 1963. The two top pictures below show Oswald in New Orleans and a man who sure looks, and dressed, like Bill Shelley. The bottom three pictures show Shelley in Dallas on 11.22.63.

Thanks to Jim DiEugenio for all his work on the Paines. It's a refreshing return to reality from recent attempts to whitewash them.

Yeah, we all have to be conscious of the potential for all kinds of chicanery in this case, unfortunately. For what it's worth, though, here's how Whaley testified in 1964: Mr. Ball. Was there anything in particular about him beside his clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets? Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir: he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet....I always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification bracelets like these, because I make them myself ... It was just a common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of chain links and not stretchbands. Stretchbands are unusual because there is very few of them."

According to John A.: Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed. Steve Thomas seems to have the most expertise searching the Dallas Archives. If he sees this, perhaps he can confirm.

The post that Mr. Butler helped me reconstruct can be read HERE.

The evidence that one Oswald was picked up by a Nash Rambler station wagon at almost exactly the same time another Oswald boarded McWatters’ bus is strong. NASH RAMBLER OSWALD Wearing a white T-shirt, as seen by Mrs Reid inside the TSBD, Lee Oswald walked thru the office and then walked down the stairway at the front of the building to the first floor lobby. He then walked thru the double doors leading to the warehouse, turned left, walked thru an overhead door on the west side of the building, onto the loading dock, and down the stairs to the railroad tracks (see below). LEE Oswald then walked across the Elm Street extension, hurried down the grassy knoll, and got into the Nash Rambler station wagon at 12:40 pm (seen by Roger Craig, Marvin Robinson, Roy Cooper, Mrs. Helen Forrest). BUS AND TAXI OSWALD Wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt and carrying a light blue/grey jacket, Harvey Oswald walked out the back of the TSBD onto the loading dock, walked down the steps on the east side of the building (on Houston Street), and began walking toward Elm St. and then south on Houston St. Wesley Frazier, who said that he was talking with some women a few minutes after the shooting at the corner of Elm and Houston, saw Oswald as he walked south on Houston St. Frazier says that he saw Oswald cross Houston St., begin walking east on Elm St., and disappeared into the crowd. CLICK HERE for Wesley Frazier interview (starts at 33:00). During his first interrogation, which began at 2:20 PM--only one-half hour after his arrest-- (HARVEY) Oswald told Capt. Fritz, in the presence of Det. Elmer Boyd, Det. M.G. Hall, Det. Richard Sims, and FBI Agents Bookhout and Hosty, that he rode a bus home. Later that afternoon the police found a bus transfer in Oswald's shirt pocket and soon interviewed bus driver Cecil McWatters. The following day, at 10:30 AM, (HARVEY) Oswald was again interrogated by Capt Fritz in the presence of SS Agent Thomas Kelley, FBI agent Jim Bookhout, US Marshall Robert Nash, SA David Grant, SAIC Forrest Sorrels, Det. Elmer Boyd, and Det M.G. Hall. Harvey Oswald again said that he rode a bus and secured a bus transfer (which was removed from his shirt pocket by Det. Sims the previous day). A total of seventeen people, including a Secret Service Agent, a US Marshall, FBI Agents, DPD Detectives, and Capt Fritz were present during interrogations when (HARVEY) Oswald said that he rode a bus. Twelve people were present during interrogations when (HARVEY) Oswald said that he had obtained a bus transfer. U.S. Army employee Stuart Reed took pictures of the front and back of a bus like McWatters’ approaching the TSBD along with the TSBD building itself (including the “sniper’s nest”) and, even more remarkably, captures shots of Harvey Oswald being dragged out of the Texas Theater. When the bus got stuck in traffic, Harvey got off and got a ride in William Whaley’s taxi. Mr. Ball: About 12:30 that day where were you? Mr. Whaley:....I just pulled up about 30 feet to the [taxi] stand and stopped and then I wanted a package of cigarettes, I was out so I started to get out and I saw this passenger coming so I waited for him...He was walking south on Lamar from Commerce when I saw him....He didn't talk. He wasn't in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color....The t-shirt was a little soiled around the collar but the bottom part of it was white....Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants [grey color]....That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir. 
 Mr. Ball. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket? 
 Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir. There are now three people who said that (HARVEY) Oswald had a grey/light blue jacket—bus driver Cecil McWatters, bus passenger Roy Milton Jones, and taxi driver William Whaley. And three people who remember (HARVEY) Oswald's grey-colored pants--bus driver Cecil McWatters, and bus passemgers Roy Milton Jones and Mary Bledsoe. Mr. Ball ...tell me about that, what the passenger said. Mr. Whaley. He said, “May I have the cab?” I said, “You sure can. Get in.” [the time was 12:47-48 PM] And instead of opening the back door he opened the front door, which is allowable there, and got in. A lady, I don't remember whether she was very old, but the was middle-aged....She bent down and stuck [her head] in and said, “Driver, will you call me a cab down here?” He [LHO] said, “I will let you have this one,” and she said, “No, the driver can call me one.” I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, “500 North Beckley.” I turned to the left off Lamar onto Jackson, went one block to Austin, then from Austin I turned to the left again and went one block over to Wood Street....to Houston which is the street which we call the old viaduct. Went across the viaduct to Zangs....Beckley turns off [to the left]....When I got pretty close to 500 block at Neches and North Beckley which is the 500 block, he said, “This will do fine.” He gave me a dollar bill, the trip was $.95....didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street....I put it in gear and moved on, that is the last I saw of him [the time was 12:53-54 PM]. Mr. Ball. Can you tell me what distance that was? Mr. Whaley. About 2 1/5 miles, sir. Mr. Ball. Can you give me any estimate of the time it took you to go that 2 ½ miles? Mr. Whaley. Nine minutes. Mr. Belin. When we went out there today, when we started the stopwatch from the Greyhound bus station to the 700 block of North Beckley, do you know about how many minutes that was on the stop watch? Mr. Whaley. A little more than 5 minutes, between 5 and 6 minutes. Mr. Ball. Was there anything in particular about him beside his clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets? Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir: he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet....I always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification bracelets like these, because I make them myself ... It was just a common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of chain links and not stretchbands. Stretchbands are unusual because there is very few of them." NOTE: (HARVEY) Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed.” Taxi driver William Whaley was unknown to the police until early the following morning, 11/23/63. Yet a few hours after the taxi ride, a photograph of (HARVEY) Oswald shows a stretch band bracelet on his left arm (see photo below). This photo was taken prior to the police removing the bracelet and placing it into evidence. Whaley could only have known about a bracelet on (HARVEY) Oswald's left arm if he had seen it himself during the taxi ride. Perhaps the most important confirmation that (HARVEY) Oswald was in Whaley's taxi cab comes from Oswald himself: On the morning of 11/23/63 Capt. Fritz was told that a taxi driver identified Oswald as one of his passengers around noon on 11/22/63. Capt. Fritz then asked Oswald if he had ridden a taxi. Harvey Oswald said that when he got on the bus he found it was going too slow and after two blocks he got off the bus and took a cab to his home. Oswald's story about riding in a taxi matches perfectly with what Whaley told his supervisors earlier that morning. How could their stories have matched, unless LHO rode in Whaley's taxi? Oswald told Capt. Fritz about the blond-haired lady who asked Whaley to call her a taxi. And Whaley told the same story to the police. How could their stories match if the incident with the blond woman never happened? Oswald's silver-colored stretch band bracelet was removed at police headquarters. How could Whaley have known about this bracelet unless LHO was a passenger in his taxi? Oswald told Capt. Fritz this was the first time he rode in a taxi, and he paid 85 cents for the taxi fare. Whaley told the police the taxi fare was 95 cents. Once again, how could their stories match so closely, unless Oswald had ridden in Whaley's cab? William Whaley was required, by his company and by the city of Dallas, to keep a trip manifest that contained information related to his trips. Mr. Ball asked Whaley questions about his trip manifest for November 22, 1963. Chairman: The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36 years. Mr. Whaley: Thirty-seven, sir. Mr. Ball. Tell me when you make entries, you make the entries when? Mr. Whaley. Sometime I make them right after I make the trips, sir, and sometimes I make three or four trips before I make the entries....[Whaley made the entry on his manifest for the trip to N. Beckley after returning to the Union terminal] Mr. Ball: Are you required by your employer to describe the trip, where you went, how far it was? Mr. Whaley: Not by the employer, sir....The city of Dallas ordinance requires that you put down where you picked the passenger up, where you unload the passenger. Mr. Ball: Now, the manifest does contain that information, though, does it? Mr. Whaley: Yes, sir, it does....I was at the Greyhound bus station. I have a copy of my trip sheet here...You look down there it says Greyhound, 500 North Beckley, I think it is marked 12:30 to 12:45. Now that could have been 10 minutes off in each direction because I didn't use a watch, I just guess, in other words, all my trips are marked about 15 minutes each....It is a trip sheet manifest. The company gets the amount of money you have run, your meter reading and all, and they have to keep it because of the city ordinance requirement that the taxis make this kind of manifest. William Whaley's trip manifest was clocked in at 5:05 AM on November 22nd. Beginning meter readings listed on Whaley's trip manifest consisted of the total number of trips (3591), the units (8308--one unit for every 4/10 of a mile) and the total miles (6011). With each successive trip each of these meter readings would automatically increase and be totaled and logged in at the end of each day. In addition to the automatic meter readings, cab drivers also listed the amount of each fare, the number of passengers, the time "in and out" and the mileage "in and out". At the end of the day, drivers turned in their manifests, which were "date stamped" along with the amount of cash which was recorded on the manifest with a "machine stamp." Whaley's last fare on November 22nd ended at 3:45 pm. His trip manifest was stamped "NOV 22" and 25.15 CA ($25.15 --- the amount of cash turned in by Whaley). Megathanks for John Butler's extraordinary help in reconstructing this post, which disappeared some hours ago. Most of the above is excerpted and adapted from Harvey and Lee Leave the TSBD by John Armstrong, presented on our website HarveyandLee.net.

Got it in email. Thanks so much, John! It is interesting that my post appeared here long enough for you to copy it before disappearing. Although a few formatting issues arose, your help will make it MUCH easier for me to repost the essay. Thanks again!

Hi, Two or three hours ago, I made a lengthy post to the “Which came first, the bus or the Rambler?” thread started by Steve Thomas. My post seems to have disappeared, along with posts by John Butler and, I think, Denny Zartman. I worked for over an hour on this material, and I neither mentioned nor attacked any other forum member. Anyone know why these posts disappeared? Sadly, I didn’t make a copy of my work and I don’t think I broke any forum rules. New posts can take a while to appear, but the time here seems excessive.

Mr. B. has specialized in trying to debunk the Harvey and Lee Menace® for years. He does it again here and then declares no one else can debate his conclusions, at least not in this thread. I don’t think I’ll follow that demand, though I do apologize to Steve Thomas for this…. To see what has Mr. B. so upset, please feel free to visit the website that John Armstrong and I run. HarveyandLee.net I should add that, of all the books and videos that have come out in recent years based on Harvey and Lee, the most complete and easy-to-understand is Dr. George Schwimmer’s DOPPELGANGER, The Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald. This best-selling book is now in its sixth edition, the latest version published in April 2022. Here’s the full publishers description. Sixth Edition, with proof that Harvey Oswald was CIA, April, 2022.....THE GREATEST MURDER MYSTERY IN UNITED STATES HISTORY - THE ENIGMA OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD - HAS BEEN SOLVED! TWO ‘LEE HARVEY OSWALDS’ WERE AT THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963 – ONE WAS AN ASSASSIN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR, THE OTHER WAS A PATSY DOWNSTAIRS ON THE FRONT STEPS!.... Mysteries within mysteries, halls of mirrors, among which is how four assassins, including Lee Oswald, escaped from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and the real reason that Lee Oswald was a shooter in the TSBD building…. The photographs on the cover show the right side of Lee Oswald's face (from a 1959 passport photo of 'Lee Harvey Oswald') and the left side of the face of 'Harvey Oswald' (from his Dallas booking photo in 1963), revealing that these were two different men!.....The key to JFK’s assassination is not the guilt of Lee Oswald, a CIA contract agent – he was guilty of conspiracy, treason and murder – but the innocence of ‘Harvey Oswald,’ an employee of the Texas School Book Depository and an agent of the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA and the FBI, who was murdered by Jack Ruby. Harvey’s innocence demonstrates that there indeed was a conspiracy to murder John Fitzgerald Kennedy.....There are 117 photographs/maps/floor plans, showing where everything took place on November 22 in Dallas, including a blowup of Harvey in the TSBD doorway, as well as a blowup of the face of the man in the “backyard photo,” clearly showing the picture was a forgery. There also are several photographs of the two “Marguerite Oswalds” and the two “Lee Harvey Oswalds,” revealing the doubles.....Exposed also are the lies of Dallas police, the CIA (demonstrating that “Lee Harvey Oswald” never went to the Cuban Consulate and the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City), the FBI (showing ‘Harvey’ and family never lived on Neely Street in Dallas), the Warren Commission, which altered much testimony to comply with its “lone nut” assertion, as well as the lies of several witnesses.....More than 300 sources, including many sworn testimonies & affidavits, were consulted, as well as John Armstrong’s massive research project HARVEY AND LEE. One fact led to another, until a coherent picture began to emerge from the immense pile of puzzle pieces…. That picture includes the background of Harvey as a juvenile immigrant fluent in Russian, and the creation of the second ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and the second ‘Marguerite Oswald.’ The picture continues with the recruitment of both Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald by the ONI and the CIA, followed by Harvey’s assumption of Lee’s identity, his ‘defection’ to Russia, and Lee’s involvement with the Cuban revolution and the CIA.....The legend expands into New Orleans, where Harvey is “sheep-dipped” to seem like a fervent pro-Castro sympathizer and where he begins to be sucked into the Kennedy assassination plot by his renegade CIA handlers. Finally, unable to control his destiny, he winds up on the steps of the Dallas School Book Depository, while Lee Oswald is inside on the sixth floor shooting at the president.....Harvey’s whereabouts on November 22, 1963 are tracked minute by minute, showing that he could not have been where the Warren Commission claimed he was. In the end, of course, Harvey was murdered by the same cabal that killed JFK and was falsely accused by the Warren Commission, the FBI, and the CIA of being a killer and traitor, when it was his accusers who were the killers and traitors.....Once you’ve read this account, you will never again believe that ‘Harvey Oswald’ shot President Kennedy. Read the free sample.....63,800 words. Now, since this is a thread about the bus and taxi ride and the Nash Rambler, it is interesting to note the vast amount of evidence there is that supports both versions. See John Armstrong's write-up on how two LHOs left the Texas School Book Depository that tragic day, one from the west side of the building and the other from the north side. Harvey and Lee Depart the TSBD

Feel free to do so, John, but please ad that the Ed Forum's Sandy Larsen has made several important contributions to H&L research and that John Armstrong has been a guest on Len Osanic's Black Op Radio at least a dozen times.

Mr. Butler is hardly the only one here who believes in two Oswalds. Our own Joseph McBride has often said that John Armstrong convinced him there were two Oswalds. David Mantik, David Josephs, and Robert Groden, among many others, have held Harvey and Lee in the highest regard. If memory serves, Mr. Mantik once said it was his favorite book on the subject. I also believe there were two LHOs. There's a whole section in Groden's "The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald" entitled "Too Many Oswalds." In her renowned book "Accessories After the Fact" Sylvia Meagher had pages and pages under the heading "Two Oswalds." Two YouTube movies by “MrChrillemannen,”presenting John Armstrong interviews with accompanying graphics, have been viewed more than 700,000 times! Captain Westbrook, officer Tippit and Oswald's double and Who impersonated Lee Harvey Oswald? John’s work has spawned, not counting “The Other Oswald,” which is somewhat different, at least three different books in recent years. The JFK Assassination and the Uncensored Story of the Two Oswalds From an Amazon review: “I'd read a good chunk of Armstrong's Harvey and Lee, but Shannan provided clarity for me on the matter of Marguerite Oswald in particular and the whole thesis in general. So much easier to read this digest than the master's unedited tome.” DOPPELGANGER: The Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald Dr. Schwimmer’s best-seller is already in it’s fifth edition. From the publisher’s blurb: “More than 300 sources, including many sworn testimonies & affidavits, were consulted, as well as John Armstrong’s massive research project HARVEY AND LEE. One fact led to another, until a coherent picture began to emerge from the immense pile of puzzle pieces…. That picture includes the background of Harvey as a juvenile immigrant fluent in Russian, and the creation of the second ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and the second ‘Marguerite Oswald.’ The picture continues with the recruitment of both Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald by the ONI and the CIA, followed by Harvey’s assumption of Lee’s identity, his ‘defection’ to Russia, and Lee’s involvement with the Cuban revolution and the CIA..…” Mistaken Identity From the publisher’s blurb: "New forensic and evidentiary material not published, proves that two individuals known as "Lee Harvey Oswald" enlisted in the U.S. Marines in 1956 using the same birth certificate. Recent genealogical research identifies them as second cousins through intermarriage of second-generation French families in New Orleans. It created a nightmare of identity for the FBI." When people here tell you "Harvey and Lee" has all been debunked and that nobody believes it, don't believe them.

Interesting question! Here’s a couple of excerpts from John’s write-up on the Westbrook and Croy page of HarveyandLee.net: Westbrook quickly drove police car #207 back to the Texas School Book Depository, arriving circa 1:18-1:20 PM. In 45 minutes Westbrook had driven car #207 from the Book Depository to Oswald’s rooming house, then to the Texas Theater, then to 10th & Patton, once again to the Texas Theater, and returned to the Book Depository circa 1:20 PM. Westbrook now had to account for his whereabouts during that time, and this is why Westbrook told the WC that he walked from the police station to the Book Depository. When Westbrook returned to the Book Depository it was very important for him to be seen by fellow police officers when reports of the Tippit shooting were broadcast by the police dispatcher. ……………… How would the Dallas police explain two of their officers driving car #207 past the rooming house of the man accused of killing President Kennedy only a half hour earlier? Who were these two police officers? How did they know where HARVEY Oswald was living? Who ordered them to 1026 N. Beckley? Officer Jimmy Valentine had parked car #207 at the Book Depository only 1/2 hour earlier. If Valentine removed the keys to this car, then he would have given the keys to a fellow police officer, and Valentine certainly knew the identity of this officer. But Jimmy Valentine was never investigated nor questioned by anyone. Why not? It was his car that was seen driving past the rooming house of the man accused of killing President Kennedy. Valentine should have been interviewed by DPD internal affairs, the FBI, the Secret Service, and/or the Warren Commission and asked who borrowed his squad car that afternoon. Valentine should have provided a written statement or affidavit as to either the location of car #207 or the officer to whom he gave the keys to car #207 prior to 1:00 PM on 11/22/63. The opportunity to identify and connect the police officers in car #207 with (HARVEY) Oswald was now lost, and I believe was intentionally lost. To resolve this problem, in other words to “cover-up this problem,” a brief "letter of explanation" was prepared and given to Chief of Police Jesse Curry, who then forwarded this letter to the Warren Commission. This "letter of explanation" claimed that car #207 was parked at the Book Depository all afternoon. But this letter was not written or signed by Officer Jimmy Valentine, or his Sergeant, or his Lieutenant, or his Platoon Commander--Capt. Cecil Talbert. This letter was prepared and signed by the man in charge of the personnel department--Capt. W.R. Westbrook--the man who I believe drove car #207 past Oswald's rooming house with Sgt. Croy, and was seen by housekeeper Earlene Roberts. After returning from the Tippit murder site Westbrook parked police car #207 at the Book Depository (circa 1:19-1:20 PM). Westbrook took LEE Oswald’s jacket, wallet, the .38 revolver, and got into his personal, unmarked, dark blue police car—the car that Westbrook had driven from police headquarters to the Book Depository a half hour earlier. News reporter Jim Ewell was in front of the Book Depository when news of the Tippit shooting was broadcast over the police radio. Ewell saw Westbrook and Sgt. Stringer get into an unmarked, dark blue police car. Ewell approached the police car and asked if he could ride with them.