Jim Hargrove

Bump. Sorry Jim. But I think this is a bunch of ado about nothing. And I'm trying to save people from believing something that IMO is not true. You should be a defense attorney, Sandy. Apparently you can keep a straight face no matter what BS is put in front of you. If Honest Ken Croy didn't help Ruby get into the basement without a press pass, who did? People can read Croy's testimony and decide for themselves. INDEED!!! For some unknown reason, Sandy is referring back to this post... and then altering my words to make it seem like I am ducking his question. I just wanted to get this post up on the new page here, and now I'll show you what I mean.

Bump. Sorry Jim. But I think this is a bunch of ado about nothing. And I'm trying to save people from believing something that IMO is not true. You should be a defense attorney, Sandy. Apparently you can keep a straight face no matter what BS is put in front of you. If Honest Ken Croy didn't help Ruby get into the basement without a press pass, who did? People can read Croy's testimony and decide for themselves. INDEED!!!

Bump.

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That may speak volumes, eh? It certainly doesn't seem to give sufficient time for that fellow in the brown shirt who left the rooming house on N. Beckley and ended up being arrested at the Texas Theater. But what about that other fellow, the guy in the white shirt who DID shoot Tippit? A number of witnesses, including Benavides (the closest) thought he WAS Oswald. He had a similar appearance, as can be determined by the police descriptions. Are we to believe that it was just a coincidence that the fellow in the white shirt who shot Tippit looked similar to the fellow in the brown shirt arrested at the Texas Theater? Yet another coincidence?? Or is it time for researchers to begin to seek another explanation?

I've spent several days looking for this too, also without success. It used to be EASY to find HSCA testimony online. I thought for sure it would be found here: http://aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/hsca/contents_hsca_vols.htm But after searching the contents of each volume and doing a Google site search of aarclibrary.org, it simply doesn't seem to be there. Very frustrating!

The following is an excerpt from a letter written to Joachim Joesten concerning an interview of Hugh Aynesworth, Dallas Morning News reporter. “… It has intrigued me that Aynesworth was so convinced in his conversation with me that Tippit had been killed around 1 p.m. Aynesworth is extraordinarily proud of the fact that he is the only reporter in the United States to have been at all four major scenes (the assassination, the Tippit killing immediately after, the arrest of Oswald in the Texas Theater, and the murder of Oswald in the police basement). When I praised Mr. Aynesworth for this and suggested that perhaps he should have been considered for the Pulitzer Prize (rather than Mr. [Merriman] Smith whom Mr. Aynesworth claims does not deserve the prize as another Dallas reporter did all his, Smith’s, writing for him), Mr. Aynesworth modestly admitted to an oversight on the part of the committee, but continued to speak at great length over his four unique experiences. When I asked Mr. Aynesworth how and when he first heard about Tippit, he replied: “I was standing near the Texas Book Building, all the other reporters had gone to Parkland (Hospital), but I felt a story was breaking near the building, when I heard a squad radio blast out that a policeman had been shot in Oak Cliff. This was around one o’clock. I ran to the car and went with it to Patton and Tenth. I had a hunch that the policeman’s murder was tied in with the assassination. I got to the Tenth Street area about 1:05, no later than 1:10 p.m. …” [1] 1. Joachim Joesten, The Garrison Inquiry (Hills and Lacy, Limited: London, 1967), pp. 102-103. The letter was written on October 29, 1964. *********************************************************************************************************************** Years later, Aynesworth gave author Larry Sneed additional details. [2] He was at the police command post at the corner of Houston and Elm with Inspector Herbert Sawyer, Sgt. Calvin Owens, Sgt. Gerald Hill, Assistant District Attorney Bill Alexander, and news reporter Jim Ewell. As Gerald Hill urged Sawyer to get the crime lab over to the Texas School Book Depository, the police radio traffic was interrupted: “This is a citizen. A policeman’s been shot! He’s hurt pretty bad, I think!” The citizen then gave the location. After receiving the call, Hill, Alexander, and Owens promptly left for Oak Cliff. Aynesworth went with WFAA-TV newsmen Ron Reiland and Vic Robertson in the Channel 8 cruiser. Reiland drove the cruiser recklessly, making a lot of fast moves to pass other cars and barreling through intersections as fast as he could go, using an illegal flashing light accessory to warn other drivers. These details show how the three newsmen managed to reach the scene of the crime between 1:05 and 1:10. Aynesworth statement to Martin agrees with that of T.F. Bowley who arrived at the scene at about the same time. He noted the time as 1:10 on his watch. According to Callaway: “… I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I saw he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn’t know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it [from a telephone call?], and to stay off the air, so I went back. …” Since about five or six minutes had passed since Callaway made the first call, and no police had arrived (although the three newsmen had arrived), Benavides decided to try the radio. “… I mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn’t get an answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on Tenth Street. I couldn’t remember where it was at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East Tenth Street . . . I put the radio back. I mean, the microphone back up, and this other guy was standing there, so I got up out of the car, and I don’t know, I wasn’t sure if he heard me, and the other guy sat down in the car . . . I don’t know what he said to the officer or the phone, but the officer told him to keep the line clear. …” The “other guy” was T. F. Bowley. Benavides was the one who reached the dispatcher at 1:16. Since Benavides seemed to be mishandling the microphone, Bowley was the next to try. He reached the dispatcher at 1:18. The ambulance came about a minute later. Bowley and Callaway helped the attendants put the body in the ambulance. Immediately afterwards Callaway took Tippit’s gun and embarked on a hunt for the suspect with cab driver William Scoggins. 2. Larry Sneed, No More Silence, An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy (Three Forks Press: Dallas, TX, 1998), pp. 292-293.

DID HUGH AYNSEWORTH SAY HE WAS AT THE TIPPIT MURDER SCENE NO LATER THAN 1:10 PM? Here is the text of a letter from Shirley Martin to Jim Garrison: May 20, 1967 Dear Mr. Garrison: I am so sorry that Newsweek chose Hugh Aynesworth to use in its rebuttal of you. In the summer of ‘64 I had a long talk with Mr. Aynesworth, introducing myself to him as a friend of a relative to General Clyde Watts, ex-Major General Edwin A. Walker's close friend and attorney (Oxford). Mr. Aynesworth mistakenly assumed that I was a political conservative and immediately deluged me with disgusting anti-Kennedy stories. ("Kennedy needed a trip to Dallas like a hole in the head," etc.) At the same time Mr. Aynesworth heaped what seemed to me to be inordinate praise on the city of Dallas, the Dallas police (Lt. George Butler, Captain Fritz, Chief Curry, etc.), and the Dallas Morning News (for which newspaper Aynesworth was working at the time). He confided, too, that Tom Buchanan (Paris) was a "fairy" and detailed for me a number of extremely slanderous alleged incidents in the life of Mark Lane. In addition, Mr. Aynesworth definitively labeled Mr. Lane a "communist." Aynesworth was extremely bitter that Merriman Smith had won the Pulitzer for his coverage of the assassination. Aynesworth sarcastically remarked that Smith "did nothing and saw less" on the day in question, whereas he, Aynesworth was "...the only reporter in America to make all four big scenes." (1) In addition, Aynesworth boasted that a Commission attorney had already confided to him (in July) what the Commission verdict was to be (in September). Oswald would be named, but according to Aynesworth it was in reality "...a communist plot. Warren will do a cover-up for Moscow." Aynesworth insisted that Marina had had an affair with him after the assassination, and that during this period she had revealed to him that she and Ruth Paine had shared a Lesbian relationship prior to November 22, 1963. Aynesworth also declared that he had been on 10th Street "looking down on the Tippit murder scene at 1:05pm, not later than 1:10..." on November 22nd. (2) Needless to say, the "only reporter in America" to be in on all four "big scenes" was NOT called to testify before the Warren Commission, which did, however, call Thayer Waldo, Fort Worth reporter, because he had been in the police basement when Ruby shot Oswald. (3) Finally, I have the statement by an employee of the Dallas Morning News that Aynesworth was deliberately and ILLEGALLY given the allegedly stolen Oswald diary story by a Commission attorney who was in Dallas on business at that time. Earl Warren later put the FBI on the trail of this illegal "leak", but as was to be expected no discoveries were made. This, then, is the man chosen by Newsweek to rebut you. What a pity Newsweek's taste is so concentrated in its tail. - Sincerely, (Mrs.) Shirley Martin Box 226 Owasso, Oklahoma

Are you sure that Hughes and the ambulance drivers needed to cooperate for the FBI to have altered the time stamps? There are all kinds of examples of how the FBI forged evidence in this case, and even altered witness testimony to hide its malfeasance. See this link, for example: http://harveyandlee.net/FBI/FBI.html Has anyone seen the original time-stamped dispatch from Dudley Hughes? My bet is that this document disappeared, and all we have is the altered FBI report as to what the dispatch supposedly said.

While Bowley was giving the police the location of the shooting, Mrs. Frank Wright was also acting quickly. Mrs. Wright and her husband lived at 501 East 10th Street -about half a block from the shooting. Even though Mrs. Wright never testified before the Warren Commission she was interviewed by George and Paricia Nash for their article published in The New Leader magazine of 12th October, 1964. She stated: "I heard three shots. From my window I got a clear view of the officer lying there on the street. I didn't wait a minute. I ran to the telephone. I didn't look in the book I just ran to the telephone, picked it up and dialed 0. I said 'Call police, a man's been shot.' After the phone call I decided to join my husband. It wasn't but a minute till the ambulance got there."

ACCORDING TO AMBULANCE DRIVER, HUGHES RECORDS MUST HAVE BEEN ALTERED In 1977, ambulance driver Clayton Butler was interviewed by investigators for the House Select Committee on Assassinations. When asked how long it took him to reach the scene, he replied: "I was on the scene in one minute or less. From the time I received the call in our dispatch office until Officer Tippit was pronounced dead at Methodist Hospital was approximately four minutes." It certainly appears that the logs of the Dudley Hughes company were changed. John suspects that all the times related to TippIt were changed by exactly ten minutes. (Time of shooting, time of ambulance arrival, police logs related to Benavides/Callaway call to the DPD dispatcher, time of Certificate of Death.)

Tom, Fascinating! The FBI tells us Tippit was pronounced dead at 1:25, based on Hughes Funeral Home records, but what could those records be, other than the official Death Certificate, which states time of death to be 1:15? Understanding the points you made in a previous post about this, I still do not trust the 1:18 time frame you based your timeline on. (Can you point me toward the evidence for the 1:18 ambulance call/arrival?) At any rate, seems just as easy or easier to me to alter mobile ambulance logs than an official death certificate, though that’s not based on much. The real issue, as you said earlier, is that the FBI and soon the WC knew from the outset that there was a problem getting LHO to Tenth & Patton from N. Beckley in time to shoot Tippit at 1:06, and so there was always pressure to push the timeline later and later. Hoover MAY have realized that the problem was even worse, since, accounting for the white shirted and brown shirted Oswalds, area sightings suggested that “Oswald” took a less than direct route. The FBI report would be at the very top of my suspicious documents list. I think the witness evidence suggests that the ambulance arrived at 10th & Patton around 1:10, or even a minute or two earlier. For example…. Here is the WC testimony of Ted Callaway. If you assume the shots he heard were at 1:06, and read his testimony carefully, think about how many minutes would have elaspsed until Callaway saw the ambulance arrive, load Tippit’s body, and then leave. Would you agree with these times? 1:06--PM-Callaway hears shots and runs out to the sidewalk. 1:07--PM-Callaway sees LHO cross the street, holding a pistol in his right hand. Says to LHO, "What the hell is going on?" Watches LHO as he continues south on Patton. 1:07--1:08 PM-Callaway (40 years old) runs 300 feet to Tippit’s patrol car. Rolled Tippit over. Placed Tippit's revolver on the hood of the police car. 1:08--1:10 PM-Callaway called police dispatch and saw the ambulance arrive, load Tippit's body, and leave the scene en route to the hospital. Callaway then took Tippit's gun and had taxi driver Scoggins drive him around to look for LHO. And, btw, where was Honest Ken while all this was going on? Did he really permit Callaway to take Tippit’s service revolver into Scoggins’ taxi? Let’s try another timeline, assuming the 1:15 ToD was pronounced when Tippit’s body arrived at Methodist Hospital. Working backward from 1:15: 3-4 minutes from Tenth & Patton to the hospital. 2 minutes to get Tippit from the ambulance to the emergency room where he was declared dead. Total of 5 or 6 minutes prior to 1:15, which would mean the ambulance arrived at around 1:09 or 1:10. One of the first calls, if not the first, to Dudley Hughes came from the taxi dispatcher within a minute or two after Tippit was shot. Ambulance driver Kinsey said he drove from Dudley Hughes to 10th & Patton in about 1 minute (one city block). SUMMARY: Tippit shot at 1:06 pm. Taxi dispatcher calls Dudley Hughes a 1:08 pm. Ambulance arrives at 1:09 pm. Tippit loaded into ambulance by 1:10 pm. Ambulance arrives at hospital at about 1:15pm. Tippit is dead on arrival. If this timeline is accurate, then croy was on the scene at or prior to 1:09 or 1:10 pm. Doesn’t this match reasonably well with the davis sisters telephoning polic and then walking fifty or sixty feet to Tippit’s body before the ambulance arrived (circa 1:08-1:09)?

Isn’t it interesting that Honest Ken Croy… … was the only police officer known to have chosen to go home only minutes after the shooting of the President of the United States. … cared nothing about the assassination of President Kennedy, but involved himself in the shooting of a police officer—without any orders or authority to do so. … contradicted himself on numerous occasions in his WC testimony. … forgot the names of each and every witness at 10th and Patton, and forgot the names of each and every police officer at 10th and Patton. … was on site before the ambulance arrived, and therefore must have seen Ted Callaway take the gun from Tippit’s body and get into a taxi to look for the shooter. Why would a police officer, in uniform, allow a civilian to take a weapon from a dead police officer? … said that he spoke with a witness who was watering her yard, yet no known witness to the Tippit shooting was watering their yard during the shooting. … was able to go directly to the scene of the Tippit shooting when four different addresses were given by the police dispatcher. … first said he was given the wallet by an unidentified witness, yet later said that he was the man who found the wallet. … was the first officer on the scene of the Tippit shooting, yet failed to file one report about his activities at 10th and Patton. If anyone thinks that Honest Ken Croy or his testimony can be trusted, I invite them to read similar nonsense provided by him regarding his activities when Oswald was shot and killed by Jack Ruby two days later. Click here to read Croy's testimony.

Tom, You make some excellent points, and I agree that the most likely time of the shooting was about 1:06. Wouldn't you have to agree, though, that by many accounts the ambulance got to the scene much faster that the twelve minutes that would have expired between 1:06 and 1:18?

Interesting. I'll re-read BJ Davis' testimony asap. In the meantime, though, I suspect (in addition to all the witnesses who said Tippit was shot more than 10 minutes before 1:18) most legal investigations would go with the Methodist Hospital's official time of death at 1:15, making the ambulance arrival at 1:18 impossible. The DPD report also indicated time of death as 1:15 (though, it appears to be typed over the time of 1:09). Since the cops saw "doctors and nurses trying to bring the officer back to life," there is even more of a discrepancy between the ambulance log and the official time of death. Interesting, though.

You're trying to give Croy the benefit of the doubt, Sandy, but you've still got to stick to the facts. Young Mrs. Davis was in the duplex building at 400/402 Tenth St., right next to the building where Tippit was shot. It couldn't have been more than 50 or 60 feet from her front door to Tippit's body. Do you really think it took her four minutes to "wander over" those few feet? My guess is she did it in no more than 10 or 15 seconds. What did she do then? Mr. Belin. All right, after this, did police come out there? Mrs. Davis. Yes; they was already there. Mr. Belin. By the time you got out there? Mrs. Davis. Yes, sir. Mr. Belin. Then what did you do? Mrs. Davis. Well, we just stood out there and watched. You know, tried to see how it all happened. But we saw part of it. Mr. Belin. Then what did you do? Mrs. Davis. We stood out there until after the ambulance had come and picked him up. Dallas police tapes list the first arrival of policemen at the site of Tippit's murder at 1:22 pm. By any REASONABLE account, Croy got there at least ten or even 15 minutes before that.

Sandy, you really should read the testimony of the witnesses and record the times they gave accordingly. To rely on an author's opinion about a timeline, in the absence of witness testimony, is like relying on the Warren Commission. For example, did you know that Mrs. Higgins was watching television when the TV announcer reported the time at 1:06 PM. Mrs. Higgins said she heard the shots almost simultaneously. Please, Sandy, record witness statements as to the time and present a witness-based timeline.

BUT, SANDY, ON 11/22/63 THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN IN DEALEY PLAZA WHO SEVERAL PEOPLE SAW GET INTO THE NASH RAMBLER AND THESE PEOPLE SAID THE YOUNG MAN WAS IDENTICAL TO "LEE HARVEY OSWALD." A FEW BLOCKS AWAY, ON ELM STREET, HARVEY OSWALD (LATER ARRESTED BY THE POLICE) WAS RIDING ON MCWATTERS' BUS (FOLLOWED BY THE TAXI RIDE WITH WILLIAM WHALEY). AT 10TH & PATTON SEVERAL WITNESSES SAID THE MAN WHO SHOT TIPPIT (LEE OSWALD) WAS IDENTICAL WITH THE MAN ARRESTED BY THE DALLAS POLICE (HARVEY OSWALD). A DEPUTY SHERIFF SAID THAT THE YOUNG MAN HE SAW IN THE BALCONY OF THE TEXAS THEATER (LEE OSWALD) WAS IDENTICAL TO THE MAN ARRESTED BY THE POLICE IN THE LOWER SECTION OF THE THEATER (HARVEY OSWALD). WHILE HARVEY OSWALD WAS SITTING IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR EN ROUTE TO THE POLICE STATION, A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) WAS BROUGHT OUT THE REAR OF THE THEATER AND PLACED IN A POLICE CAR. WHILE HARVEY OSWALD WAS SITTING IN JAIL, T.F. WHITE SAW A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) SITTING IN A CAR ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS WORK PLACE. MR. WHITE APPROACHED THE CAR, LOOKED DIRECTLY AT THE DRIVER, THE LATER TOLD POLICE, FBI, AND THE FUTURE MAYOR OF DALLAS THAT THE YOUNG MAN WAS "LEE HARVEY OSWALD." A CIA AIRCRAFT, EN ROUTE TO NEW MEXICO, LANDED IN THE TRINITY RIVER, A 10 MINUTE DRIVE FROM THE TEXAS THEATER. A PASSENGER ON THIS PLANE, MR. VINSON, LATER SAID THAT A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) SOON ARRIVED BY CAR, BOARDED THE PLANE, AND THE PLANE TOOK OFF AND LANDED IN ROSWELL, NM. MR. VINSON SAID THE YOUNG MAN WAS IDENTICAL TO LEE HARVEY OSWALD. NOW, SANDY, I AM SURE YOU REALIZE THAT IF ONLY ONE OF THE ABOVE WERE TRUE, THEN THERE WERE TWO "LEE HARVEY OSWALDS" ON 11/22/63. BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND "LEE HARVEY OSWALD," THEN YOU SHOULD BEGIN LOOKING AT THE TWO OSWALDS FROM 11/22/63 AND WORK BACKWARDS, MONTH BY MONTH, YEAR BY YEAR (1962, 1961, 1960, 1959...1947), YOU WILL FIND EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF HARVEY AND LEE, OFTEN LIVING IN THE SAME CITY AT THE SAME TIME. NOW, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN ONE "LEE HARVEY OSWALD" IN THE OSWALD PROJECT? YES, OF COURSE. BUT WHERE IS THE PROOF? WHERE IS THE PROOF OF A THIRD OR FOURTH OSWALD? THE OSWALD PROJECT WAS A HIGH-LEVEL CIA PLAN USED TO INFILTRATE A VERY YOUNG (8-9 YEARS OLD) RUSSIAN SPEAKING REFUGEE FROM WWII (HARVEY) INTO THE SOVIET UNION IN 1959 (NOW AGE 19) BY USING LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S BIOGRAPHICAL HISTORY. TWO YOUNG BOYS (HARVEY AND LEE) WERE PLACED SIDE BY SIDE (NOT LITERALLY, BUT ALWAYS NEARBY) FOR 10-12 YEARS IN ORDER TO GIVE THE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING HARVEY FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF LEE OSWALD AND HIS SCHOOLS, FRIENDS, CITIES, FAMILY LIFE, ETC (THIS WAS ALL PRIOR TO OSWALD'S "DEFECTION" IN 1959). AFTER HARVEY RETURNED TO THE USA, IN MID-1962, PLANS WERE MADE TO ASSASSINATE JFK. IF THE CIA USED A THIRD OR FOURTH "LEE HARVEY OSWALD" IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DURING THE MONTHS PRIOR TO THE ASSASSINATION. PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS FAR TOO RISKY WHEN PLANNING THE ASSASSINATION OF A U.S. PRESIDENT. WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF THE ALICE, TEXAS INCIDENTS, WHEN, WHY, AND WHERE WERE THE THIRD AND FOURTH OSWALD USED? FOR WHAT PURPOSE? APPEARANCES OF A SECOND OSWALD ARE DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN (SPORTS DROME RIFLE RANGE, RALPH YATES, MCBRIDE, ETC), BUT APPEARANCES OF A THIRD AND/OR FOURTH OSWALD WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN, AND PERHAPS CAUSE PEOPLE TO WONDER ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION OR TESTIMONY THAT INDICATES A THIRD AND FOURTH OSWALD. FURTHERMORE, AFTER THE PRESIDENT WAS KILLED, THE THIRD AND FOURTH LHO'S WOULD MOST CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE (AS WAS THE SECOND LHO--HARVEY). THIRD OR FOURTH OSWALDS?? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?? There's no need to yell, Jim. In my post you're replying to I said: "I do believe they [Jim and John Armstrong) have a strong case for HARVEY and LEE." So you see, I'm in agreement with you guys. You ask where the evidence is for an Oswald impersonator besides LEE Oswald. How about this: Didn’t mean to yell, Sandy. I was simply pointing out all of the witnesses who, within a half hour of JFK’s assassination, thought the man they saw was Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald when in fact they had seen American-born LEE Oswald. The American (LEE) not only resembled HARVEY, but most of these witnesses said that this man was LHO (Harvey). The photo of the man you posted originated with the CIA in Mexico City. To this day nobody knows the identity of this person. This man never impersonated Oswald. In fact, I can’t think of a single incident—with the possible exception of the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City--in which someone impersonated Oswald (HARVEY) who did not resemble him. Can you? By the way, the name “Oswald Project” was not the creation of John Armstrong. This name was given in the testimony of a former CIA paymaster (James Wilcott) who provided funds on an on-going basis for what he called the “Oswald Project.” You can read his testimony HERE.

On November 9, an Oswald was at the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he gave his name to the salesman, test drove a new car at excessive speeds and said he would soon have enough money to buy a new car. -- John Armstrong, NID 97 speech Michael, I'm trying to talk John into writing up a new page for our website about how, in and around Dallas in the weeks preceding the JFK hit, LEE Oswald impersonated HARVEY Oswald and set him up to be the patsy. In the meantime, though, John did a terrific job summarizing these events in his 1997 speech at the November in Dallas conference. You can read that speech here: http://harveyandlee.net/NID97.htm The part of the speech covering the set-up begins about halfway down the page. You might start with the paragraph that begins as follows: Through early 1963, the activities of Harvey Oswald and Lee Oswald had no apparent relationship to the assassination. But in the summer of 1963 things changed. That section of the speech wraps up with this statement: A rifle with a scope. ammunition, target practice, a tall building from which to shoot the President, and enough money within a few weeks to buy a new car. The framing of "Harvey Oswald" as the assassin was nearly complete.

BUT, SANDY, ON 11/22/63 THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN IN DEALEY PLAZA WHO SEVERAL PEOPLE SAW GET INTO THE NASH RAMBLER AND THESE PEOPLE SAID THE YOUNG MAN WAS IDENTICAL TO "LEE HARVEY OSWALD." A FEW BLOCKS AWAY, ON ELM STREET, HARVEY OSWALD (LATER ARRESTED BY THE POLICE) WAS RIDING ON MCWATTERS' BUS (FOLLOWED BY THE TAXI RIDE WITH WILLIAM WHALEY). AT 10TH & PATTON SEVERAL WITNESSES SAID THE MAN WHO SHOT TIPPIT (LEE OSWALD) WAS IDENTICAL WITH THE MAN ARRESTED BY THE DALLAS POLICE (HARVEY OSWALD). A DEPUTY SHERIFF SAID THAT THE YOUNG MAN HE SAW IN THE BALCONY OF THE TEXAS THEATER (LEE OSWALD) WAS IDENTICAL TO THE MAN ARRESTED BY THE POLICE IN THE LOWER SECTION OF THE THEATER (HARVEY OSWALD). WHILE HARVEY OSWALD WAS SITTING IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR EN ROUTE TO THE POLICE STATION, A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) WAS BROUGHT OUT THE REAR OF THE THEATER AND PLACED IN A POLICE CAR. WHILE HARVEY OSWALD WAS SITTING IN JAIL, T.F. WHITE SAW A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) SITTING IN A CAR ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS WORK PLACE. MR. WHITE APPROACHED THE CAR, LOOKED DIRECTLY AT THE DRIVER, THE LATER TOLD POLICE, FBI, AND THE FUTURE MAYOR OF DALLAS THAT THE YOUNG MAN WAS "LEE HARVEY OSWALD." A CIA AIRCRAFT, EN ROUTE TO NEW MEXICO, LANDED IN THE TRINITY RIVER, A 10 MINUTE DRIVE FROM THE TEXAS THEATER. A PASSENGER ON THIS PLANE, MR. VINSON, LATER SAID THAT A YOUNG MAN (LEE OSWALD) SOON ARRIVED BY CAR, BOARDED THE PLANE, AND THE PLANE TOOK OFF AND LANDED IN ROSWELL, NM. MR. VINSON SAID THE YOUNG MAN WAS IDENTICAL TO LEE HARVEY OSWALD. NOW, SANDY, I AM SURE YOU REALIZE THAT IF ONLY ONE OF THE ABOVE WERE TRUE, THEN THERE WERE TWO "LEE HARVEY OSWALDS" ON 11/22/63. BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND "LEE HARVEY OSWALD," THEN YOU SHOULD BEGIN LOOKING AT THE TWO OSWALDS FROM 11/22/63 AND WORK BACKWARDS, MONTH BY MONTH, YEAR BY YEAR (1962, 1961, 1960, 1959...1947), YOU WILL FIND EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF HARVEY AND LEE, OFTEN LIVING IN THE SAME CITY AT THE SAME TIME. NOW, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN ONE "LEE HARVEY OSWALD" IN THE OSWALD PROJECT? YES, OF COURSE. BUT WHERE IS THE PROOF? WHERE IS THE PROOF OF A THIRD OR FOURTH OSWALD? THE OSWALD PROJECT WAS A HIGH-LEVEL CIA PLAN USED TO INFILTRATE A VERY YOUNG (8-9 YEARS OLD) RUSSIAN SPEAKING REFUGEE FROM WWII (HARVEY) INTO THE SOVIET UNION IN 1959 (NOW AGE 19) BY USING LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S BIOGRAPHICAL HISTORY. TWO YOUNG BOYS (HARVEY AND LEE) WERE PLACED SIDE BY SIDE (NOT LITERALLY, BUT ALWAYS NEARBY) FOR 10-12 YEARS IN ORDER TO GIVE THE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING HARVEY FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF LEE OSWALD AND HIS SCHOOLS, FRIENDS, CITIES, FAMILY LIFE, ETC (THIS WAS ALL PRIOR TO OSWALD'S "DEFECTION" IN 1959). AFTER HARVEY RETURNED TO THE USA, IN MID-1962, PLANS WERE MADE TO ASSASSINATE JFK. IF THE CIA USED A THIRD OR FOURTH "LEE HARVEY OSWALD" IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DURING THE MONTHS PRIOR TO THE ASSASSINATION. PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS FAR TOO RISKY WHEN PLANNING THE ASSASSINATION OF A U.S. PRESIDENT. WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF THE ALICE, TEXAS INCIDENTS, WHEN, WHY, AND WHERE WERE THE THIRD AND FOURTH OSWALD USED? FOR WHAT PURPOSE? APPEARANCES OF A SECOND OSWALD ARE DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN (SPORTS DROME RIFLE RANGE, RALPH YATES, MCBRIDE, ETC), BUT APPEARANCES OF A THIRD AND/OR FOURTH OSWALD WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN, AND PERHAPS CAUSE PEOPLE TO WONDER ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION OR TESTIMONY THAT INDICATES A THIRD AND FOURTH OSWALD. FURTHERMORE, AFTER THE PRESIDENT WAS KILLED, THE THIRD AND FOURTH LHO'S WOULD MOST CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE (AS WAS THE SECOND LHO--HARVEY). THIRD OR FOURTH OSWALDS?? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE??

CROY WAS NOT "ONE OF THE FIRST POLICEMEN TO ARRIVE" HE WAS THE FIRST POLICEMAN TO ARRIVE. QUESTION: IF HONEST KEN DROVE TO 10TH & PATTON WHY IS HIS PERSONAL CAR NOT SHOWN ON FILM/PHOTOGRAPHS AT OR NEAR 10TH & PATTON? IF CROY DROVE TO THE SCENE IN HIS PERSONAL CAR, THEN IT IS NEAR CERTAIN THAT HE WOULD HAVE PARKED HIS CAR WITHIN A FEW FEET OF TIPPIT AND/OR HIS PATROL CAR. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE ABSENCE OF CROY'S PERSONAL CAR AT THE SCENE? THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT VIRGINA DAVIS SAID POLICEMEN WERE ALREADY THERE AS SHE APPROACHED TIPPIT LYING IN THE STREET (SOME 10 MINUTES BEFORE OFFICER POE AND OTHER POLICE OFFICERS ARRIVED). NOW, I HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, SANDY, AND I WILL ASK IT AGAIN....."IF NOT CROY, THEN WHO WAS THE POLICEMAN TO WHOM VIRGINIA DAVIS WAS REFERRING?"

Boy, do I understand how you feel. It just seems so strange. I began studying Armstrong’s work in the late 1990s, a time when he made a number of talks at JFK conferences, putting documents up on overhead projectors and bringing eyewitnesses in tow, including Palmer McBride. I kept thinking, if this guy is right, this whole case is basically solved... but is he right? It’s just so hard to believe. The problem accepting the Harvey and Lee scenario is that it is all based on hundreds, probably thousands, of individual little facts, often easy to make excuses for in isolation, but which gradually become a sheer mountain of evidence… if you can keep them all in mind at once. And that’s the trick. It took me more than a year of studying no one but John Armstrong’s work before I began to believe that he was right. Here is a list I made a few years ago of 10 reasons to believe that there were two young men sharing the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald: 10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC. 9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother. 8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps." 7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan. 6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia. 5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia. 4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia. 3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license? 2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater. 1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest." There are many, many other examples, and I’m going to have to update this list to include things such as Palmer McBride, white-shirted vs. brown-shirted Oswald on assassination day, etc.

Mr. BELIN. All right, after this, did police come out there? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes; they was already there. Mr. BELIN. By the time you got out there? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Who else could she have been referring to other than Ken Croy? Croy has said he was the first policeman on the scene. A consensus of assassination researchers, looking at all the evidence, believes Croy was the first cop there. Who else could it be? How did he just happen to be there seconds after the shooter passed the Davises?

Sure sounds like that smiling cop killer wanted to be seen, doesn't it? It's almost as if he knew that someone who looked quite a bit like himself was already at the Texas Theater ready to be busted--and the killer was headed that way. Virginia Davis said the police were already at the Tippit murder scene when she and her sister stepped out their front door: Mrs. DAVIS. We saw a boy walking, cutting across our yard. Mr. BELIN. Where was he when you first saw him? Mrs. DAVIS. He was about 3 feet from the sidewalk. Not the one that comes up to our front door, but the other sidewalk. Mr. BELIN. He was about 3 feet from the front sidewalk on East l0th? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Had he come up to your sidewalk yet that comes up from East 10th to your front door? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, he had already. He was about half on the concrete, I think. Mr. BELIN. He was half on that concrete? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you watch this man do? Mrs. DAVIS. We watched him unload the shells out of his gun. Mr. BELIN. What hand was he holding this gun in? Mrs. Davis. In the right. Mr. BELIN. He was holding the gun in his right hand. if you remember? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. What was he doing with his left hand? Mrs. DAVIS. He was emptying the shells in his left hand. Mr. BELIN. Was the gun broken open. so to speak? In other words. I don’t know if you have ever seen a capgun. When you want to load the capgun, you have to kind of break it apart on a hinge. Was the gun broken apart like that, or was the barrel straight? Mrs. DAVIS. It was like the real gun, little one. Mr. BELIN. What do you mean it was just like? Mrs. DAVIS. It was just as best as I can remember, it was a little pistol, and he was emptying the shells. Where the shell was coming nut, he was emptying the shells into his left hand. Mr. BELIS. Did you see what he did with the shells when he emptied them into his left hand? Mrs. DAVIS. After we, well, he was dropping them on the ground because we found two. Mr. BELIN. You said that you found two? Did you see him drop them on the ground or not? Mrs. DAVIS. So; we didn’t see him. Mr. BELIN. You just saw him emptying shells in his hand? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. You didn’t actually see what he did with them when he got them in his hand, did you? Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir. Mr. BELIN. You are nodding your head no? Mrs. DAVIS. No. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you see the man do? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, he just cut across. He disappeared from behind the corner of the house. Mr. BELIN. Going toward what street? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, going toward Jefferson Street. Mr. BELIN. He was headed on Patton in the direction toward Jefferson? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Did you see him actually get to Patton Street? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes ; he was already around the corner. Mr. BELIN. You saw him go around the corner of your home? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. What did you do or see then? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just went out, because we had already called the police, notified them, and we went out in the yard. Mr. BELIN. You notified the police. Let me ask you this. Did you notify the police before or after you saw the boy with the gun? Mrs. DAVIS. Let’s see, I think it was before. Mr. BELIN. When you say before, what do you mean? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, before we saw the boy. Mr. BELIN. Before you saw the boy you notified the police? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Well, let me try and reconstruct your actions then. You heard the shots? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. You ran to the door? Mr. BELIN. What did you see when you got to the door? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just saw, you know, the police car parked down there and we wondered what was going on, so we heard Mrs. Markham across the street calling. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she told us to call the police, well, so we went to the house. We was already in the house, and we went to the phone and called the police. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mrs. DAVIS. Then we went back to the front door. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mrs. DAVIS. We saw the boy cutting across the street. Mr. BEI.IN. Then what did do or see? Mrs. DAVIS. After he disappeared around the corner we ran out in the front yard and down to see what had happened. Mr. BELIN. Then is that when you saw the policeman? Mrs. DAVIS. I saw the policeman lying on the street. Mr. BELIN. All right. Did you see or do anything else? Did you see anyone else that you know come up to the policeman? Mrs. DAVIS. No sir; there was a lot of people around there. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember about what time of day this was? Mrs. DAVIS. I wouldn’t say for sure. But it was about 1:30. between 1:30 and 2. Mr. BELIN. All right, after this, did police come out there? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes; they was already there. Mr. BELIN. By the time you got out there? Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we just stood out there and watched. You know, tried to see how it all happened. But we saw part of it. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mrs. DAVIS. We stood out there until after the ambulance had come and picked him up. (Boldface emphasis added by me)