The earliest descriptions by Robert Oswald of LHO’s attendance at Stripling School, made well before the Kennedy Assassination, would be considered by most people to be the most reliable.  Robert Oswald attended Stripling School in 1948 and 1949; LHO attended the same school in 1954.  Two years later, in 1956, Robert and LHO lived together at 4936 Collinwood, about 10 blocks from Stripling.  There, they had every opportunity to compare their experiences about the school.

Just three years after that, in 1959, and again a few years later, Robert told the Fort Worth newspaper that LHO attended Stripling School.  There is no reason on earth not to consider this as Robert’s most reliable statement about Stripling.  It was his earliest known public quote about the school and was made four or five years before the Kennedy Assassination and the FBI/WC “investigation” clouded the truth and put enormous pressure on witnesses to tow the line of the Official Story.  

5 hours ago, James Norwood said:

Mark,
It is obvious that you have not read my detailed rebuttal to your points.  Here again is my rebuttal.  Readers can easily make up their minds by reading it and making up their own minds as to whether or not the following is "genuine rebuttal."

Dr. Norwood,

It looks like the H&L critics will continue to claim they have debunked all the Stripling School evidence, even though they cannot produce a single direct refutation of it. Not one!

Our best bet may be simply to perfect a clear statement or two summarizing the evidence, and include links to the five Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles that say that LHO attended Stripling School, links to Robert Oswald’s testimony that also indicates LHO attended Stripling, and links to the YouTube interviews of Frank Kudlaty and Fran Schubert.  Let the H&L critics rail against this evidence as much as they wish.

I’ve usually left Doug Gann, Bobby Pitts, and Mark Summers off the list because John A. didn’t record his conversations with them, at least as I recall.  You should probably continue to discuss them in your summaries.  One person made several suggestions for improvements in the presentation of my list, and so I’ve made a few tweaks over the last weeks.  Here, again, is my summary of the Stripling Evidence with the latest edit:

First, of course, is the prerequisite proof that the two LHOs attended two different schools just ONE YEAR before the Stripling School attendance.

Because both the FBI and the Warren Commission missed this detail and neglected to cover it up, school records published in the Warren volumes show that both LHOs attended a full fall 1953 school semester in New York City and New Orleans simultaneously.

To Tony Krome,

Thanks for the post.  Honest scrutiny of HarveyandLee.net is really appreciated.

I always thought that photo looked more like American-born Lee than Russian-speaking Harvey, but I’m admittedly not good with faces. I’ve sent John A. a link here as well as the content of your post and look forward to his response. 

3 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Mark Stevens took the Stripling evidence to pieces in this thread:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26639-the-stripling-episode-harvey-lee-a-critical-review/

Nonsense.  Mr. Stevens’ main points were that:

(1) the five Fort Worth Star-Telegram articles were based on the same misinformation from Robert Oswald, who said, before the assassination, that LHO “attended Stripling Junior High School and Arlington Heights High School about a year before he enlisted in the Marines.”  Several of the later articles mentioning Stripling, however, gave additional information, and once a different year of attendance for LHO at Stripling, clearly indicating that they were not just repeating information from Robert.

(2)  although a FWST article published two days after the assassination said LHO “attended Stripling Junior High School,” in a subsequent FWST article or two soon after the assassination Robert Oswald don’t mention Stripling School, which Mr. Stevens suggests indicates Robert realized his error and didn’t repeat it.  This is remarkable, since several years later, during his Warren Commission testimony, Robert repeated his belief that LHO attended Stripling. There are tens of thousands of FWST articles that don't mention Oswald and/or Stripling School, but that hardly negates the five that indicate LHO did attend Stripling.  Until Mr. Stevens or anyone else can produce a FWST retraction of its five articles, or at least a published indication that Robert Oswald was mistaken, nothing about the Stripling evidence has been disproved.
 

On 7/28/2020 at 4:28 AM, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

In other words, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram relied only on Robert Oswald's mistaken assumption about something of which he had no first-hand knowledge, just as Mark Stevens claimed.

The claim that Robert Oswald had no personal knowledge that LHO attended Stripling School a year or so before entering the Marine Corps is not exactly true.  In 1956 Robert, Marguerite, and LHO lived at 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth, just ten blocks or so from Stripling School. While they were living together, does anyone doubt that Robert and LHO surely compared notes about their Stripling experiences (Robert in 1948, LHO in 1954)?  

8 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

I must say that a number of very respectable researchers have weighed-in on this thread, so I was drawn to it.  But when it becomes polarized, and the argumentum ad hominem  begins, I suspect another agenda is at play.  The work of Armstrong - and Jim Hargrove's representation - must somehow threaten someone (or something) for it to become so personal.  Such staunch opposition ironically has the opposite effect on me ... it sends a message that there's substance to the H&L anomalies. 

4 hours ago, James Norwood said:

Gene,

Thank you very much your insightful and important commentary above. 

I too am puzzled by the long, rambling screeds.  In the case of the discussion of the Stripling evidence, I posted a 2,500-word commentary at the top of this thread.  But the only way the critics are refuting the evidence is to say that all of the eyewitnesses were wrong in their recall:  the newspapers were wrong; Robert Oswald was wrong; the students were wrong; the Vice-Principal was wrong.  That level of argumentation will not hold up under the weight of testimony that is corroborated by multiple witnesses.  

You wonder above why this extremely mundane instance of a boy's enrollment at a school would be so threatening to members of this forum?  Good question.

James

Thanks to both of you.  I try to just discuss the EVIDENCE about Oswald and keep my opinions about other forum members in check, at least as much as possible.  But I have believed in the Harvey and Lee research for more than 20 years now, and I’ve been posting about it and running HarveyandLee.net for decades.

For all these years, it has amazed me how angry, and clearly unhappy, the opponents to this research appear to be.  I’ve always felt the same as Gene Kelly does in reaction to the vitriol of the H&L opponents.

John Armstrong gave a series of well-known speeches in the late 1990s.  While he spoke, he had screens next to the speaker’s dais upon which he projected copies of the documents he used as source material for his talk.  I had never seen presentations made with so much documentation made available in real time.

In the transcription of his November in Dallas 1998 speech, I left in John’s references to the more than a hundred documents he projected during his talk.  The transcription began with this note:

TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: As he did during the previous year's "Harvey
and Lee" presentation, Mr. Armstrong projected images of many of
the documents he used researching his speech.  Although it is
impossible to include them in this transcription, I have left in
his visual cues "(SLIDE #)" and "(RIGHT #)" to give the reader an
impression of the amount of documentary support he provided.]

As many of us have learned over the years, telling the truth makes some people REALLY ANGRY!
 

9 hours ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Or maybe we should agree to go back to the Stripling thread and conclude unfinished business.

I didn't see any unfinished business.

We were discussing the Stripling School evidence in a thread I had started.  Mark Edwards decided to start his own new thread when he wrote a post attempting to discredit the Stripling evidence I had presented.  When Dr. Norwood wrote a detailed rebuttal to Mr. Edwards’ critique, I suggested he (Dr. Norwood) create a new thread, this one, just as Mr. Edwards had created a new thread for his critique.

I doubt your side will go for this, but if you’re willing to continue the Stripling School debate in this thread, which begins with clear examples of the influence of John Armstrong’s research, that’s fine with me.  Here, again, is the Stripling School evidence JA and I have compiled.

First, of course, is the prerequisite proof that the two LHOs attended two different schools just ONE YEAR before the Stripling School attendance.

Because both the FBI and the Warren Commission missed this detail and neglected to cover it up, school records published in the Warren volumes show that both LHOs attended a full fall 1953 school semester in New York City and New Orleans simultaneously.

CE 2709, p. 583 says:

“According to newspaper reports FBI firearms experts found the firing pin of
the gun reportedly taken from OSWALD so bent that it could not strike the ‘cap of
the bullet.’”

But I could have sworn there was a report that the revolver fired shots without problems.

Good grief!  Why waste time and effort talking about me, or Dr. Norwood, or even John Armstrong?   Why not talk about "LEE HARVEY OSWALD"?  Toward that end....

Just a few minutes ago, I put up an addition on the Marines page of HarveyandLee.net that John sent me yesterday.  The new material is in red below:

 On January 23, 1959 Marine Corps records show that LEE Oswald was at Vincent Air Force Base in Yuma, AZ--the same day that Nelson Delgado returned from leave and spoke with HARVEY Oswald about Castro's revolution in Cuba. Six weeks later in March, 1959, Allen Graf arrived at El Toro and soon became a close friend of LEE Oswald. Graf was Oswald's platoon sergeant and they spent a lot of time together and often went to the movies. Graf told Warren Commission attorney John Hart Ely that Oswald (LEE) never studied a foreign language and didn't speak Russian. Graf gave Ely the names of several marines who knew and worked with LEE Oswald at El Toro, including John Castle, Raymond Glidden, James King, Abraham Rubenstein, Goutier, Herd, Maulden and Sawchuk. Ely's job at the WC was to gather background information on Oswald, but now he was puzzled because this was the first time that he heard the names of these marines. 

After interviewing Allen Graf, Ely wrote a memo to his Warren Commission supervisor that read, "He [Graf] is equally clear that they were stationed together at El Toro and not at Santa Ana. They were, he says, stationed with Marine Wing Headquar­ters Group III, Airport Radar Team 1, and were not at the Lighter Than Air Station" [in Santa Ana, CA]....moreover, the names he [Graf] mentioned as having been in his unit are not those generally mentioned as having been in the unit after Oswald returned from Japan." The stories and memories of Marines who knew and worked with LEE Oswald at El Toro remain unknown, as do LEE Oswald's Marine Corps records from El Toro. Not one of these marines were interviewed by the FBI or the Warren Commission or the HSCA. The FBI and Warren Commission limited their investigation to Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald and Marines with whom he worked at the lighter than air facility in Santa Ana, CA.

In later life John Hart Ely was a professor of law at Havard, a professor of law at  Yale, and dean of the law school at Stanford University. Ely was a brilliant lawyer, and was very close to discovering there were two "Lee Harvey Oswalds." Had Ely interviewed Marines at El Toro, and had he interviewed the Provost Marshall at El Toro, then he would have discovered that in the Spring of 1959 a marine named LEE Oswald was at the jet base in El Toro, while at the same time a marine named HARVEY Oswald was stationed at the lighter than air facility at Santa Ana, CA.

In the spring of 1959 Major William P Gorsky was the Assistant Provost Marshall at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro. According to Gorsky's files LEE Oswald had been arrested for hitch hiking and was discharged from the marines in March, 1959. Discharged in March, 1959 !! Once again the FBI and Warren Commission avoided El Toro by failing to conduct a proper investigation and failing to obtain LEE Oswald's discharge papers or to interview Major Gorsky. The FBI and Warren Commission's refusal to investigate and interview Marines whos served with LEE Oswald in Japan and LEE Oswald in El Toro, is another very important "smoking gun."

EDIT: I should have provided the source material John used for the above.  It's from the 4/9/64 memo from John Hart Ely to Messres. Jenner & Liebeler:

10 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I speculate that the Harvey and Lee records were merged naturally (i.e. without any thought or effort), as follows:

I also think that is possible, but people need to keep in mind that there is surely a reason that all the originals of LHO’s school and employment records disappeared while in FBI custody, replaced by black and white photographic copies.  It’s hard to believe, but the WC actually requested Oswald’s original NYC school records, but by then they had disappeared.  Why?
 

10 hours ago, James Norwood said:

It is my understanding that John Armstrong will be talking about this fascinating topic of the Social Security contributions on a future podcast.

Would you please keep us informed of the date and time?
 

John said he’ll be on Black Op Radio this coming Thursday, July 30.  He plans to talk about several other things in addition to the Marine Corps, but I’m not sure if the Social Security data will be included in this episode, though it may well be.

Speaking of disappearing original records of employers, I wonder what happened to LHOs pre-Marine Corps Social Security contributions.

Below are the grand totals for Oswald's income in 1962 and 1963:

Less than a month after receiving a completed "Application for Survivors Insurance Benefits" filled out by "Marina M. Oswald," the SSA office in Dallas had completed a "Determination of Award" form. Below is the first part of that form:

The Social Security Administration refused to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."

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6 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

What did the two Oswalds do when they saw each other out in the schoolyard at lunchtime? High 5 ?

If you don’t think it is possible that both LHOs were at Beauregard School during the 1954 spring semester, then you obviously won’t believe it.  We still have school records showing LHOs in New York City and New Orleans throughout the 1953 fall semester, and all that Stripling School evidence placing LHOs in both New Orleans and Fort Worth for the 1954 fall semester.

John’s write-up for the 1954 spring semester at Beauregard relies heavily on the interview with Myra DaRouse. In a school with nearly 700 students, one LHO had home room 303 on the third floor, the other had his home room with Myra DaRouse in the basement cafeteria.  Since one kid preferred to be called Lee, and the other Harvey, who would notice these two boys out of nearly 700 other students--other than a records keeper in the office?   Photocopy machines were not in general use in those days, and so the records must have been merged—by someone--in the cumulative record we see.  It could have been done by school personnel, or by the FBI.

It is, after all, far easier to alter black and white copies than original documents.  As John Armstrong and the HSCA’s Joe Freeman discovered, all the original copies of the school and employment records of LHO disappeared, replaced by photographic copies.

Way back in 1964, New York City officials, including Judge Florence Kelley and NYC Mayor Robert Wagner were involved in a lengthy correspondence attempting to ascertain what had happened to the original school records of LHO, which apparently disappeared after Judge Kelley personally handed the originals to FBI SA John Malone.

In this post, I show John A’s write-up about the disappearing NYC records and five supporting documents.
 

1 hour ago, James Norwood said:

 Bill,

The double sightings are carefully documented by John Armstrong in his most recent article “Marine Corps and the Soviet Union”:  https://harveyandlee.net/Marines/Marines.html

In a presentation he gave last Thursday on Len Osanic’s show, John presented the evidence for two Oswalds in the Marines from the point of recruitment in October, 1956 through mid-1957.  During this period, the eyewitness testimony of the Marine Alan Felde is linked to documentary evidence for the experiences of Harvey Oswald at boot camp and subsequent training.  Marine Corps Unit Diaries confirm that Oswald and Felde were training together in this period, which conflicts with the documentation of the training Lee Oswald was receiving at different times.  Lee’s training experiences are documented by records and supported by the testimony of Daniel Patrick Powers.  In the article, John weaves his sources into the following narrative account:

LEE’S EARLY TRAINING

“After graduating, LEE Oswald and 5 other marines were ordered to report to Keesler Air Force Base in Biloxi, MS (radar school).  They departed Jacksonville, FL by train on May 2 and arrived in Biloxi, MS on May 4.  Marine Corps Unit Diary 105-57 (p 722) confirms that LEE Oswald departed Jacksonville for Biloxi, Mississippi on May 2.  Daniel Patrick Powers was in charge of the 6-member group, which included Oswald.  Reading from his Marine Corps orders, Powers told the Warren Commission that his group reported to the 3383rd student squadron, attended class # 08057 and received instruction in course # AB27037.”
  
HARVEY’S EARLY TRAINING

“From October, 1956 thru early May, 1957 HARVEY Oswald and Allen Felde were in California.  In May, 1957, HARVEY Oswald and Allen Felde were transferred to the Airframe and Powerplant (A&P) school in Jacksonville, FL.  Marine Corps Unit Diary #104-57 (pp 719, 724) confirm that Felde arrived in Jacksonville, FL on May 2, 1957.  Following the assassination of President Kennedy the Dallas Police found a 7-page handwritten account of Oswald's background.  HARVEY Oswald wrote that he had served in San Diego, CA from October 1956, to April, 1957 and at Camp Pendleton, CA in April and May, 1957.  Felde's statement to the FBI, HARVEY Oswald's handwritten chronology, and the Marine Corps Unit diaries confirm that HARVEY Oswald and Felde were both in California and did not arrive in Jacksonville until May 2, 1957.”

SUMMARY

“We now know that when HARVEY Oswald and Allen Felde were in ITR training and Camp Pendelton in California thru the end of April 1957, at the same time LEE Oswald was on leave in February, attended school in Jacksonville in March and April, and on May 2nd boarded a train for Biloxi with fellow Marine Daniel Patrick Powers.”

In every instance above, it is the combination of eyewitness testimony and documentary evidence that makes the case for the men’s dual training experiences.  The article continues by exploring the evidence related to the two Oswald Marines until the time of the so-called defection in October, 1959.

Megathanks for that clear summary of evidence distinguishing the two LHOs in the Marine Corps from  fall 1956 through mid-1957.  In 1957, Daniel Patrick Powers was in charge of a six-man group that included the American-born LHO (Lee).  As Dr. Norwood noted in his post, when Powers testified to the WC, he read from a copy of his USMC orders from 1957, so there was little chance of mistaking places and dates.

Years ago, John Armstrong created the chart below that shows how, during the period Powers covered, the Russian-speaking LHO was demonstrably in different places than the American-born LHO.  Sources are as indicated in the notes.
 

If you’re right, that IS interesting, and the first I’ve heard of it, but I’ll just say for the third time now that I don’t know what address the Russian-speaking LHO gave to Beauregard.

No pointed questions will alter the fact that the Beauregard cumulative record clearly shows that one LHO was present all but a single day of the 1953 fall semester at Beauregard School in New Orleans while another LHO was enrolled at PS 44 in New York City, some 1300 miles away.

Exactly.   The French St. address on the cumulative record belonged to Lillian Murret. But the American-born LHO and the real Marguerite didn’t stay a few weeks there until 1954, after leaving NYC.  So I don’t know what the Russian-speaking kid gave as an address in 1953.  It may have been Exchange Pl.
 

10 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

From what I see at that link, William Head provided the Register of Attendance and the FBI then "set forth as a summary" of that Register.

I gather from that link that you believe that the Register of Attendance reflects "Harvey", not "Lee" for every semester at Beauregard. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, you have "Harvey" moving into New Orleans from North Dakota in the fall of 1953, and more specifically, on arrival, moved into 126 Exchange Place.

So when "Harvey" enrolled as a part-time student at Beauregard in September 1953, what address do you believe he declared?

I don’t know. By 1954, Beauregard teacher Myra DaRouse said she drove the kid she called “Harvey Oswald” to Monte Lepre Clinic and then to his home on Exchange Alley after an accident in school.  At about the same time, the other LHO was living at 1454 St. Mary’s Street, a building owned by Julian and Myrtle Evans.

10 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

If thats the case, do you have one Oswald reflected in the 53/54 fall and spring semester grades or one Oswald for fall and another for spring?

For John A's current take on this, see:

Lee and Harvey in Three Consecutive School Semesters

3 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Jim,

You and John Armstrong do wonderful research.  These documents are terrific.

Did you notice that Oswald and friends are listed under TAD?  That's Temporary Additional Duty.

TAD refers to military travel or other assignment at a location other than the traveler's permanent duty station.

In other words, Oswald could have stayed in Japan when the ship left on 9/14/59, but still be listed with his duty station.

It's possible that I am wrong - but that sure is what it looks like to me.

My suggestion is that you put at least as much focus on analysis, and submit your findings to the toughest scrutiny.

I applaud you for posting these documents on the Ed Forum.  Do you have other possible double sightings like this one?

When you do display these documents - like you did here - everyone benefits.

 

Thanks, Mr. Simpich, but John found plenty of other evidence indicating one LHO had indeed travelled to Taiwan (Formosa).  This LHO told Priscilla Johnson at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow that he had “spent 14 months in Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Formosa….”

This confidential Naval message says: “Oswald... served with Marine Air Control Squadron in Japan and Taiwan….”

This document says about the same thing:

There is still more evidence about one LHO in Taiwan,  but this stuff seems just  undeniable.  It was in Ping Tung, Taiwan on the evening of October 4, 1958, that a famous incident occurred involving "Oswald." He apparently fired four or five M-1 rifle shots at shadows and was seen by another soldier leaning against a tree visibly shaking and crying.  “He (LHO) kept saying he just couldn’t bear being on guard duty.” This LHO clearly was stationed in Taiwan, but he was hardly a real soldier.  His military career in Taiwan ended quickly,  but I think he made a much better spy than a soldier.

22 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

Jim,

I listened to the program last evening, and it was terrific.  There are many points to discuss about the fascinating topic of Oswald in the Marines.

In the program, a theme that really intrigued me was that, beyond the documentary evidence, it is the eyewitness testimony of former Marines who (a) place the two Oswalds in different locations at the same time during their training and (b) in their descriptions of Oswald, it is clear that the two Oswalds were different physically, in their personalities, and in their interests.  And this is not merely presented as a "theory."  It is meticulously detailed and supported.

James

When I first read Harvey and Lee (the book) so many years ago, I was amazed at the scope of the Marine Corps evidence for two Oswalds.  My favorite of many examples is this: Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.

HARVEY Oswald Departed for Taiwan Aboard the USS Skagit (AKA 105) on Sept. 14, 1958. Note "AKA 105" Under "Record of Events" near top left of this document:

The Unit Diary below shows that HARVEY Oswald was in Ping Tung, Taiwan, on Oct. 6, 1958.

Here’s a 1953 image of the ship Harvey Oswald took .  Note the “K.A. 105” lettering by the bow.

During this very same time Harvey was aboard the USS Skagit and stationed in Taiwan, LEE  Oswald was being treated for V.D in Atsugi, Japan.  From September 14 through October 6, HARVEY Oswald was in Taiwan. At the same time, from September 16 through October 6, LEE Oswald was in Japan. Medical records for NAS Navy 3835 (Naval Hospital), located in Atsugi, Japan, show numerous medical entries for LEE Oswald recorded on Sept 16, 20, 22, 23, 29, and Oct 6. HARVEY Oswald's assignment in Taiwan, while LEE Oswald made numerous visits to the Naval Hospital in Japan, are an obvious example of what John A. calls a"smoking gun."  John made numerous reference to "smoking guns" in his Black Op Radio presentation last night.

4 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

Just to be clear, you have one Oswald (Harvey?) present for the entire 1953 fall semester except for 1 day. This Oswald was part time and he attended only 2 subjects, Science and Physical Education, for the duration of the fall semester.

I'm hoping you can address the following questions;

1. Both of the above subjects have the number "70" attributed to them. What exactly does the number "70" represent? How was it calculated?

2. Say there was a science class at 10am in the morning, and a physical education class at 2pm in the afternoon, how did that work for part time students? Do you imagine that Oswald was present at school for the entire day, or would he be in and out of school at odd hours?

3. Does this Oswald (Harvey?) who specifically selected science and physical education, fit your profile of the person? Are these subjects ones that you would expect him to choose?

The “70s” I see appear to be grades.  There are two 70s for the fall 1953 semester (science and phys ed) and three 70s for the spring 1954 semester (social studies, math and science).  The following page from the same FBI report based on Wifred Head’s interview is easier to read than the original cumulative record and seems to match  it.  Note that Report 1 shows the fall 1953 semester grades, Report 2 the spring 1954 semester, and Report 3 is the summary of the first two reports (though how Beauregard got 74 for science by averaging 70 and 70 is beyond me). 

I can only speculate about the times any of these classes may have convened or why science and physical education were the two subjects this LHO was given, though it would certainly make sense if one course followed the other in time. Timing may have been the major criteria here.  Again, it makes sense to me that the part-time status of the fall 1953 Beauregard LHO was the direct result of an attempt to ease him back into school and avoid more truancy charges.

What the school records clearly indicate is this: For the fall semester of 1953, one LHO attended the full or nearly full semester at Public School 44 in NYC.  For the very same fall 1953 semester, the other LHO attended the complete semester at Beauregard School in New Orleans.

Finally, no photos are going to be deleted from my website.  I agree entirely with Dr. Norwood that photos by themselves don’t prove much of anything.  They are too easy to misrepresent, among other things.  John Armstrong dealt with photos by using evidence about the LHOs developed from documentary and witness sources to develop biographies.  He then sometimes published photographs associated by the WC (and other “investigations”) and the National Archives with that Oswald, letting readers make up their own minds about the evidence.  John agrees entirely that the photographic record may well have been highly manipulated.
 

16 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

Jim,

The Marine Corps and Soviet Union essay is a great, new contribution to your website.

I was especially interested in the human element of the story of Oswald in the Marines.  There is exceptional documentation placing the two Oswalds in different locations at the same times.  But it is the testimony of the Marines who clearly remembered two different people that I find most compelling.

Of course, there are many, many other topics to discuss in this outstanding new essay.

James

John Armstrong will be on Black Op Radio in about an hour (5 PM Pacific) talking about the new Marine page.  Oops, I mean 6 pm Pacific.

Mr. Lee,

The 1/13/54 “Originally Admitted” date obviously has nothing to do with the clear record that one LHO attended the entire fall 1953 semester Beauregard while the other was in NYC.  The January 54 date probably marks the time when one LHO became a full time student at Beauregard and was assigned a home room for the first time.

The LHO who attended the entire 1953 fall semester at Beauregard was clearly a part-time student, taking just a couple of courses.  Why?  Because his pattern of school truancy in New York City had landed him in the clutches of the NYC court system, threatening to expose the entire Oswald project.  While one LHO continued to live in NYC, the other with his caretaker mother fled to rural North Dakota for the summer, and then was placed in just a couple of classes at Beauregard to get him accustomed to attending school.

I’m re-posting below the Beauregard cumulative record for LHO and below that two pages from an FBI report analyzing it.  Remember that the PS44 records clearly indicated that LHO attended more than 62 school days (and was absent three and a fraction days) for the semester beginning 9/14/53 at the NYC school.

15 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

James,

For me, the most profound example of the use of Harvey Lee Oswald is Item# 9,

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD

a) This was meant to be preserved. It was "for the record"; and,

b) It tells me that the name Harvey Lee Oswald was not a transposition of names. It was not a mistake, or a typo, or as someone put it to me once, a case of "bureaucratic bungling". It was real. It was genuine. It was a thing.

Here is the Memo:

9. MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT - HARVEY LEE OSWALD

RIF# 104-10209-10001 (04/05/72) CIA# 80T01357A

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=18291&search=%22Harvey_Lee+Oswald%22#relPageId=2&tab=page

HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 44: HTLINGUAL, Oswald) Item# 105 page 2.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1160

NARA Record Number: 104-10209-10001

The author of this memorandum is unknown. The subject of the memo is Harvey Lee Oswald. This memo is dated April 6, 1972.

1. “The DC/CI (counterintelligence) advised me that the Director had relayed via the DDP (Deputy Director of Plans) the injunction that the Agency was not, under any circumstances, to make inquiries or ask questions of any source or defector about Oswald.”

2. I will arrange to have the questions about Oswald sent to SB/CI for use with the defector Oleg Lyalin returned to me and will advise C/SB/CI of the injunction.”

Document Number 1562-1115-B 201-0289243”

c) I'm pretty sure that SB/CI means Soviet Bureau/Counterintelligence. It appears to me that use of the name Harvey Lee Oswald was to be confined to that Soviet Desk. The memo was dated April 6, 1972, long after the issue of Oswald's correct name should have been settled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Lyalin

 

“Oleg Adolfovich Lyalin (Russian: Олег Адольфович Лялин; 24 June 1937[1] – 12 February 1995) was a Soviet agent who defected from the KGB. His defection led to the expulsion of 105 Soviet officials suspected as being Soviet spies from Britain on 25 September 1971.

Lyalin was sent by the KGB to London in the 1960s, posing as an official with the Soviet Trade Delegation. His defection came about after he was arrested in London by policeman Charles Shearer for drunk driving in the early morning of 31 August 1971.”

Steve Thomas

 

Steve,

Yeah, Item # 9 is fascinating in several different ways.

There are a lot of indications that one of the LHOs preferred to be called "Harvey," even as a student.

Myra DaRouse had him for homeroom at Beauregard and said, in the interview linked below, "I knew him as Harvey Oswald."  Talking about him, she says that Harvey did this, and Harvey did that.  There are quite a few other examples, one of whom was Henry Timmer.

 

click here for 1997 interview of Myra DaRouse

John A. wrote that “Mrs. Paine studied Russian for three years at the University of Pennsylvania….” and used her knowledge of some Russian to help establish a quick relationship with Marina.  (H&L, p. 433)

Also….

I just made public a vastly expanded new edition of the “Marine Corps and the Soviet Union” page on HarveyandLee.net.  John A. has been working on the new material for months.  The page also features the “Application for Enlistment and Individual Data Card” brought to the attention of JFK researchers just days ago by Dr. James Norwood.

Here’s the direct link to the page:

Marine Corps and the Soviet Union