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Now, let's take a look at some more of the evidence that one of the two Lee Harvey Oswalds attended Stripling School during the fall semester of 1954. The H&L critics are always begging me to repost this, and let's consider the newspaper and media evidence.
First, of course, is the prerequisite proof that the two LHOs attended two different schools just ONE YEAR before the Stripling School attendance.
Because both the FBI and the Warren Commission missed this detail and neglected to cover it up, school records published in the Warren volumes show that both LHOs attended a full fall 1953 school semester in New York City and New Orleans simultaneously.
In the fall semester of 1953, one LHO attended Public School 44 in the Bronx borough of New York City, where he was present for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total accounting of 78 days.
Also in the fall semester of 1953, the other LHO was present at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 school days.
One year later, one LHO attended Beauregard School in New Orleans while the other was indeed enrolled in Stripling School in Fort Worth.
It was, and still is, common knowledge among local Stripling School district residents and current and former students and teachers that Lee Harvey Oswald attended Stripling School in the 1950s.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram confirmed this simple fact in an article published in 2017 and updated in 2019.
Once again,
This 1959 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
This 1962 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
Published two days after the assassination of JFK, this Fort Worth Star-Telegram article reported: “He attended Stripling Junior High School and Arlington Heights High School before joining the Marines.”
In his 1964 Warren Commission testimony, Robert Oswald said that LHO attended Stripling School.
This May 11, 2002 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicated that “a boy walked to Stripling from a home nearby. His mother was living in a home behind the school on Thomas Place by 1963, when the world learned the name Lee Harvey Oswald.”
And then, of course, there is the Fort Worth Star-Telegram article from 2017 mentioned above.
Way back on December 27, 1993, John Armstrong wrote to Ricardo Galindo, the then current principal of Stripling School, asking if there were any records for Lee Harvey Oswald's attendance the school. Mr. Galindo telephoned John back and said that, although there were no records, it was “common knowledge” that LHO had attended the school. [Harvey and Lee, p. 97]
In this 1997 interview, Stripling Student Fran Schubert watched LHO walk from the school to his house at 2220 Thomas Place just across the street from the school.
And, of course, in a 1997 interview, the assistant principal of Stripling School described how he met two FBI agents at Stripling less than 24 hours after the assassination and gave them the records for LHO. H&L critics can only say that Frank Kudlaty, who went on to become the Superintendent of Schools for Waco, Texas, was mistaken (about his entire story of meeting FBI agents hours after the assassination???) or lying.
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6 minutes ago, James Norwood said:
One user named Jeremy Bojczuk demonstrates his ignorance of the literature of the JFK assassination when he writes that Harvey and Lee “hasn’t [had] an impact with JFK assassination specialists even after more than two decades of promotion.” The exact opposite is true.
Thanks so much for this, Dr. Norwod. Although some H&L critics try to pretend Harvey and Lee does not have far-reaching influence, the facts clearly prove them wrong.
Just two feature-film length video talks by John Armstrong posted on YouTube by “MrChrillemannen” have a total of more than 615,000 views, up about a hundred thousand since I last checked three months ago. The videos are:
Captain Westbrook, officer Tippit and Oswald's double
and
Who impersonated Lee Harvey Oswald?
Even more significantly, recently at least three books have been published, two based almost exclusively on Harvey and Lee, and one based partly on it.
Three other books based on “Harvey and Lee:”
The JFK Assassination and the Uncensored Story of the Two Oswalds
From an Amazon review: “I'd read a good chunk of Armstrong's Harvey and Lee, but Shannan provided clarity for me on the matter of Marguerite Oswald in particular and the whole thesis in general. So much easier to read this digest than the master's unedited tome.”
DOPPELGANGER: The Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald
From the publisher’s blurb: “More than 300 sources, including many sworn testimonies & affidavits, were consulted, as well as John Armstrong’s massive research project HARVEY AND LEE. One fact led to another, until a coherent picture began to emerge from the immense pile of puzzle pieces…. That picture includes the background of Harvey as a juvenile immigrant fluent in Russian, and the creation of the second ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and the second ‘Marguerite Oswald.’ The picture continues with the recruitment of both Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald by the ONI and the CIA, followed by Harvey’s assumption of Lee’s identity, his ‘defection’ to Russia, and Lee’s involvement with the Cuban revolution and the CIA..…”
From the publisher’s blurb: "New forensic and evidentiary material not published, proves that two individuals known as "Lee Harvey Oswald" enlisted in the U.S. Marines in 1956 using the same birth certificate. Recent genealogical research identifies them as second cousins through intermarriage of second-generation French families in New Orleans. It created a nightmare of identity for the FBI."
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On 7/18/2020 at 11:42 AM, Mark Stevens said:
The following day reporters went to Robert Oswald’s home and again interviewed him. In this article Robert Oswald makes the following statement regarding Oswald:
(Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 1959)
No mention of Stripling is mentioned in this article. At this point, it would appear that Robert Oswald did not repeat his earlier statement regarding Stripling. If he did not repeat the statement, it is possible this was because he knew his statement was in error. In any event, the statement was not repeated.
I'll start. This hardly makes Robert's statement that LHO attended Stripling an error. Why would you assume that? Arlington Heights High was the last school LHO attended before enlisting. Because Robert didn't mention Lily B. Clayton, or PS 44, or Beauregard, does that mean LHO didn't attend those schools? This is a nonsensical argument.
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15 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Jim, your sentence above prompted me to do some checking for myself.
This is regarding the H&L critics' claim that Robert didn't know what junior high school LHO attended because at the time he was away from home in the Marines. Robert assumed LHO went to Stripling only because he had gone there himself, the critics say
Well I just read that the family was living in Fort Worth in July 1952 when Robert left for the Marines. So it was summer break and LHO wasn't in school yet. But in August Marguerite and LHO moved to New York City and LHO entered 7th grade there. A couple months later Robert took leave and visited them there. So he would have seen very early on that his brother wasn't attending Stripling, but rather a school in NYC. Robert visited NYC again in the summer of 1953. The next time he visited was in the summer of 1955, at which time they were living in New Orleans, not Fort Worth where Stripling Junior High is located
Did I get that right?
Sandy,
My memory isn’t getting any better as I get older, but that sounds right to me.
As you may recall, John A. has said that he thinks Robert Oswald and Harvey probably compared notes about their Stripling attendance when they lived together for a few weeks in 1956 at 4936 Collinwood , eight years after Robert attended Stripling and two years after Harvey did. The little apartment on Collinwood was just 10 blocks or so from Stripling.
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To Mark Stevens:
You and the other H&L critics are free to spin the Stripling School evidence any way you wish for as long as you desire. But you simply cannot make that evidence go away. I stand by that evidence, and see no point in arguing the details with you since you and the other H&L critics will always claim victory no matter what I say.
Nothing you have said makes me doubt in any way that one LHO attended Stripling School, a fact which is supported by so much evidence. I will continue to present that evidence, which includes five Fort Worth newspaper articles, sworn testimony by Robert Oswald, two videotaped interviews and written descriptions of other witness recollections presented in H&L. You can do as you wish.
EDIT: If you'd like to consider some of your arguments one at a time, why not post one below, and I'd be happy to discuss it.
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13 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
James, et.al.
Thank you for asking. It forced me to go back and clean up my act a little.
I actually have 44 instances. I'll just provide the citations here. Some of you will find your names mentioned here. I have some of the supporting documents the citations refer to, but as I said, my notes run to more than 40 pages:
Steve Thomas
1. Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"
(12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
2. WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964. She twice said that the Detectives asked if Harvey Lee Oswald lived there
Megathanks for this Steve.
When reading your comments about this material in the past, I recall thinking that, in a case like this with trainloads of documents, maybe it is possible that a fellow with what sounded like two first names could have them mistakenly switched a few times in references to him. But reading through all of your examples, it seems hard to deny that something else may well be going on here.
Have you drawn any tentative conclusions about this?
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The H&L critics are here to declare “Case Closed” on LHO’s Stripling School attendance regardless of what the evidence shows. It was all a big misunderstanding, don’t you know?
The H&L critics claim that the Stripling assistant principal Frank Kudlaty, who said he gave LHO’s Stripling records to the FBI hours after the assassination, was either lying or profoundly mistaken.
The critics claim that Robert Oswald was just guessing that LHO attended Stripling when he was quoted in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in 1959 and again in 1962 saying that LHO attended Stripling school a year or so before entering the Marine Corps. The H&L critics ignore the fact that in 1956 Robert, Marguerite, and LHO lived at 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth, just ten blocks or so from Stripling School, when Robert and LHO undoubtedly compared notes about their Stripling attendance experiences (Robert in 1948, LHO in 1954). Robert certainly wasn’t guessing about LHO’s Stripling attendance.
The H&L critics claim that the Star-Telegram article published two days after the assassination was wrong when it stated LHO attended Stripling. Ditto for the Star Telegram stories of 2002 and 2017, both of which said LHO attended Stripling.
They claim Stripling student Fran Schubert was wrong in her clear memory that she watched LHO walk the short distance home from the school to 2220 Thomas Place, just across the street from Stripling, where Marguerite lived on several occasions, including when JFK was killed.
They claim to not understand what Stripling principal Ricardo Galindo meant when he told John Armstrong that it was “common knowledge” that LHO attended Stripling.
They ignore Marguerite’s statement in the 11/15/59 Star-Telegram that LHO “quit school at 14 …. he quit in the eighth grade ….. but was so set on getting an education, he quit and returned three times,” and apparently want people to think this matches the Official Record without Stripling School.
They ignore the evidence, claiming it is just a “distraction,” that just one year before Stripling the two LHOs attended school simultaneously in New York City and New Orleans.
The H&L critics cannot even CONSIDER ACCEPTING the clear evidence that LHO attended Stripling School because they know that, if they do, they have to accept there were two different young men sharing the identity of LHO, just as John Armstrong has shown again and again. That is why the H&L critics are working so hard in their unsuccessful attempts to debunk the Stripling evidence. If they accept it, they admit there were two LHOs!
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Since the OP talked much about the "defection photo...." From HarveyandLee.net:
Evolution of the "Defection" Photo A substantial amount of work by unknown persons went into developing what ultimately became the 1959 "defection" photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" that was published in the Nov. 1, 1959 edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Poor quality image of Lee Oswald
in Japan, probably taken by
George "Hans" WilkensHere, a better verison of the photo has been
retouched to eliminate background from
head areaImage now has added lines
and apparent facial altering
This washed-out photo of Lee Oswald was published by the Fort
Worth Star-Telegram when Harvey Oswald "defected." It resembles
the original "Hans" Wilkens photo above, but with the background
removed and some facial features altered.The photo above was purchased by the author from AP/World
Wide Photos. The typed label to the left indicates: "This is a
retransmission of FW1 of Nov. 1 to provide better copy."
Associated Press/Wide World Photos
This evidence of photo manipulation begs the obvious questions: Who did it and for what purpose? Who managed to get the odd version of the original photo placed in the Fort Worth newspaper?
Few individuals in the days before computers became commonplace had the skills to make such alterations, or in this case the motivation to do so. A newspaper or wire service would have access to people with the required photo retouching and alteration abilities, but it is difficult to imagine why such an organization would have any interest in making these odd modifications. An intelligence agency, on the other hand, intent on creating a fog of public perception around an undercover agent being sent to the Soviet Union on assignment, would have every reason--and certainly the ability--to make these strange alterations. In the years since the Kennedy assassination, it has also been learned that the CIA had numerous "elite media assets" placed with many U.S. print and electronic media news organizations. Many of these assets would have had the ability to to slip the odd "defection" photograph into the public record. -
2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
I don't know whose mistake it is, but in Armstrong's book the principal is Weldon Lucas. Same thing on this page of Jim's website.
https://harveyandlee.net/FBI/FBI.html
But on the Kudlaty interview the principal is Harry Wylie. Same thing on this page of Jim's website:
http://harveyandlee.net/School/Stripling.html
Good catch Robert! You did something useful.
Finally.... a useful criticism. I'll ask John A. about this ASAP. Thanks!
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On 7/18/2020 at 11:42 AM, Mark Stevens said:
It has also been claimed the photo below was the original from which these photos were based on:
(Unsure where I got this photo or what the source is)
The source of this photo is John Armstrong, who purchased it years ago from AP/World Wide Photos. The typed label to the left indicates: "This is a retransmission of FW1 of Nov. 1 to provide better copy." Associated Press/Wide World Photos. This is a spitting image of our boy, isn't it? Now why would anyone want to publish such an unidentifiable picture of "Lee Harvey Oswald" in his home town of Fort Worth? But wait, the actual picture published by the Fort Worth paper was even worse. Hmmmm....
Here's the photo that was actually published in the Fort Worth Star Telegram:
No one who actually knew American-born LEE Harvey Oswald would think anything was wrong with that, eh?
For more on this picture, see Evolution of the "Defection" Photo.
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Steve,
Thanks for the link, but it sounds like you have a whole lot more. Whenever you have a chance to put together something relatively complete, I'd love to see it.
Is it still your theory that the "Harvey Lee Oswald" name started with the Soviets?
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13 minutes ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:
And please... no regurgitation of the derp already posted too many times in another related thread. Repetition does not render a falsehood true.
That "derp" you keep whining about is the EVIDENCE that one LHO attended Stripling School. No wonder you want to run away from it. Five local newspaper articles... sworn testimony by Robert Oswald, video interviews with Stripling assistant principal Frank Kudlaty and Stripling student Fran Schubert, as well as other witnesses that John A. described in his book. None of this will go away no matter what you say.
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16 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
James,
Thank you for this. I have added it to my list of Harvey Lee Oswald references.
I am up to 40 such instances now.
Steve Thomas.
Steve,
I'd also like to see your latest compilation of the "Harvey Lee Oswald" list. Would you be kind enough to post it here?
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James,
Congratulations on this stunning find!
I’d be interested in hearing from anyone who has seen this document prior to Dr. Norwood’s posting above.
The first time I noted the “Harvey Lee” erasure was when David Josephs pointed it out yesterday in email. I had missed it previously.
The new docs will soon be on the Marines page of HarveyandLee.net, and John A. has pointed out that in answer to “52 (a) ARE YOUR PARENTS LIVING?” the answer selected was “NO.” (Isn’t this the same thing Lee HARVEY Oswald told the Soviets in a written statement made in the USSR? Marguerite is listed, though, at the Collinwood address on the data card.)
For first beneficiary, John Pic is listed as a “stepbrother,” which he was clearly not. He was LHO’s half brother. John A. also wrote:
Why is SS handwritten instead of typed? Perhaps because Harvey did not know LEE's SS number ??
Look at #23, 1st page. Looks like "3 years" over-typed the previous entry.Thanks again for this wonderful find!
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13 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:
Since Robert Oswald was not in the home during this years, and by his own admission spoke little to his brother or his mother, what do you suppose this information is based upon?
I’m a little pressed for time because John A. has made a major update to HarveyandLee.net that I’ve got to start converting to html, but I did get a chance to read Mr. Stevens’ OP and must congratulate him on the major effort he has made to impeach the Stripling evidence. Nevertheless....
Nothing anyone can say or do can alter the obvious facts that Robert Oswald told the local newspaper before the assassination and swore to the WC after the assassination that LHO attended Stripling School. Nor can it alter the video recorded recollection by Stripling assistant principal Frank Kudlaty that he gave LHO’s Stripling School records to two FBI agents just hours after the assassination, nor can it alter the video recorded statement by Stripling student Fran Schubert indicating she watched LHO walk from Stripling School across the street to 2220 Thomas Place, the same home Marguerite was living in at the time of the assassination and probably the same home she used to store furniture and personal possessions way back to 1947, when she was living at 101 San Saba in Benbrook.
H&L critics should note that all of this evidence, including five articles by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, can be referenced quickly and I would think that their best hope of conclusively countering it all would be to pressure the Star-Telegram to print a formal retraction. Any real debunking of the Stripling evidence should also debunk the clear evidence that, just one year before one LHO was at Stripling and the other at Beauregard, one LHO was attending school in NYC city and the other in New Orleans. The evidence for that was accidentally published by the WC and I’ve posted it above.
John A. has written that Robert Oswald and LHO probably compared notes about Stripling School when, for several weeks prior to his marriage in 1956, Robert lived with LHO and Marguerite at 4936 Collinwood in Fort Worth, about 10 blocks from Stripling School.
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Let's review some of the evidence that, at the very same time one LHO attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans, Louisiana, the other LHO attended Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth, Texas.
Here’s one thing we can say: In a November 15, 1959 Fort Worth Star-Telegram story entitled “My Values Different, Defector Told Mother,” Marguerite was quoted as saying: "He quit school at 14 …. he quit in the eighth grade ….. but was so set on getting an education, he quit and returned three times." That, of course, hardly matches the WC record of Classic Oswald® But it makes perfect sense if we understand that the Russian-speaking Oswald attended, and later quit, Stripling JHS, Warren Easton High School, and Arlington Heights High School.
We can also say, with absolute certainty, that in this 1997 interview, former Stripling student Fran Schubert said she watched LHO walk home across the street from Stripling to the duplex that once stood at 2220 Thomas Place, the same address where Marguerite Oswald was living on November 22, 1963. What a coincidence!
We can also say that, in this 1997 interview, former Stripling School assistant principal Frank Kudlaty, who went on the become Superintendent of Schools for Waco Texas, said that he met two FBI agents at Stripling less than 24 hours after the assassination and handed over LHO’s Stripling records.
We can also point to this additional evidence from the local daily newspaper that routinely covered Stripling School events. In it's 2017 article presented online, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram said this:
"Teachers and classmates remember him as attending Stripling, though there is no official record.”
--2017 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article
There is MUCH MORE....
This 1959 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
This 1962 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
Published two days after the assassination of JFK, this Fort Worth Star-Telegram article reported: “He attended Stripling Junior High School and Arlington Heights High School before joining the Marines.”
In his 1964 Warren Commission testimony, Robert Oswald said that LHO attended Stripling School.
This May 11, 2002 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicated that “a boy walked to Stripling from a home nearby. His mother was living in a home behind the school on Thomas Place by 1963, when the world learned the name Lee Harvey Oswald.”
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram is and was hardly a hotbed of conspiracy theories. Many of its articles make the assumption that LHO killed JFK. But it is also the local paper that covered events at Stripling School, and one of the conclusions it clearly reached was that LHO was Stripling's "best-known" student.
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Question for Dr. Norwood:
Have you seen any long-hidden "Lee Harvey Oswald" documents lately, documents not included in any government archives?
Can you comment on your recent finds?
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6 hours ago, Mark Stevens said:
Already, the Star Telegram has begun to recycle their reporting, a pattern which is repeated in regards to Stripling almost every time the Star Telegram mentions Oswald.
I don't think so, Mark, and clearly not in the case of LHO's attendance at Stripling School.
The earliest Fort Worth Star-Telegram (FWST) articles indicate Robert said that LHO attended Stripling a year or so before joining the Marines (marking the 1954-55 school year most likely), which is what actually happened.
Two days after the assassination, a third FWST article merely stated LHO attended Stripling but didn’t say when.
During Robert Oswald’s 1964 WC testimony, he swore that LHO DID attend Stripling, but gave incorrect dates.
The 2002 FWST article said, “Yet a 1956 student would become the school’s best-known. For a few weeks—his mother moved several times across Fort Worth—a boy walked to Stripling from a home nearby. His mother was living in a home behind the school on Thomas Place by 1963, when the world learned the name Lee Harvey Oswald.”
The 2017 FWST article merely says, without giving a date, “Teachers and classmates remember him as attending Stripling, though there is no official record.”
These articles clearly have different sources because they provide different details and, in at least one case, disagree on the year LHO attended Stripling, though all clearly agree that he did attend that school. So....
Despite the five newspaper articles, and Robert Oswald’s sworn testimony confirming LHO’s Stripling attendance, and Marguerite’s newspaper interview indirectly confirming it, and filmed interviews with a 1954 Stripling classmate and the Stripling assistant principal in 1963 who gave LHO’s records to the FBI, the H&L critics simply cannot accept any of this.
Why? Because they know if LHO attended Stripling even briefly in 1954, there were two LHOs, and, above all else, they cannot accept this. That leads directly to the U.S. Intel project the Russian-speaking LHO was trained for.
In the meantime, will ANY H&L critic respond to the really burning question here? I’ve asked this many times before and I've never received an answer. If the Stripling School attendance is so hard to believe, isn’t it remarkable that, just one year earlier, in the fall semester of 1953:
One LHO attended Public School 44 in the Bronx borough of New York City, where he was present for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total accounting of 78 days.
and
Also in the fall semester of 1953, the other LHO was present at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 school days?
These documents are published in the Warren Volumes and I’ve put them up on the Ed Forum many times. Besides an occasional link and a false claim that it has been debunked elsewhere, no H&L critic seems to have the courage to discuss these documents right here, on the JFK Assassination Debate Forum. Why do you suppose that is?
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I haven't read the post above, but here is the Stripling School evidence the H&L critics can’t make go away.
First, of course, is the prerequisite proof that the two LHOs attended two different schools just one year before the Stripling School attendance.
Because both the FBI and the Warren Commission missed this detail and neglected to cover it up, school records published in the Warren volumes show that both LHOs attended a full fall 1953 school semester in New York City and New Orleans simultaneously.
In the fall semester of 1953, one LHO attended Public School 44 in the Bronx borough of New York City, where he was present for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total accounting of 78 days.
Also in the fall semester of 1953, the other LHO was present at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 school days.
One year later, one LHO attended Beauregard School in New Orleans while the other was indeed enrolled in Stripling School in Fort Worth.
It was, and remains, common knowledge among local Stripling School district residents and current and former students and teachers that Lee Harvey Oswald attended Stripling School in the 1950s.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram confirmed this simple fact in an article published in 2017 and updated in 2019.
Once again,
This 1959 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
This 1962 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicates LHO attended Stripling.
Published two days after the assassination of JFK, this Fort Worth Star-Telegram article reported: “He attended Stripling Junior High School and Arlington Heights High School before joining the Marines.”
In his 1964 Warren Commission testimony, Robert Oswald said that LHO attended Stripling School.
This May 11, 2002 Fort Worth Star-Telegram article indicated that “a boy walked to Stripling from a home nearby. His mother was living in a home behind the school on Thomas Place by 1963, when the world learned the name Lee Harvey Oswald.”
And then, of course, there is the Fort Worth Star-Telegram article from 2017 mentioned above.
Way back on December 27, 1993, John Armstrong wrote to Ricardo Galindo, the then current principal of Stripling School, asking if there were any records for Lee Harvey Oswald's attendance the school. Mr. Galindo telephoned John back and said that, although there were no records, it was “common knowledge” that LHO had attended the school. [Harvey and Lee, p. 97]
In this 1997 interview, Stripling Student Fran Schubert watched LHO walk from the school to his house at 2220 Thomas Place just across the street from the school.
And, of course, in a 1997 interview, the assistant principal of Stripling School described how he met two FBI agents at Stripling less than 24 hours after the assassination and gave them the records for LHO. Mr. Stevens can only say that Frank Kudlaty, who went on to become the Superintendent of Schools for Waco, Texas, was mistaken (about his entire story of meeting FBI agents hours after the assassination???) or lying.
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8 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Frank Kudlaty did not recall Oswald attending Stripling Junior High School. He was, however, a buddy of Jack "the moon landings were faked" White, who helped to think up the 'Harvey and Lee' theory. White introduced Kudlaty to John Armstrong, who went on to mislead his readers by neglecting to tell them about a fact that contradicted a central element of the theory thought up by him and Jack "no planes hit the World Trade Center" White.
In his latest screed, Jerry Bojczuk claims that everyone is lying about LHO attending Stripling School, and, as always, he argues against only a small part of the total evidence.
Mr. Bojczuk surely wants us to believe that Jack White was a time-traveling genius who managed to plant two stories about LHO attending Stripling School in the local Fort Worth newspaper YEARS BEFORE JFK WAS ASSASSINATED.
That Jack White must have been one clever fellow!
Two different articles in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (FWST) published before the assassination of JFK indicate Robert Oswald said that LHO attended Stripling a year or so before joining the Marines (marking the 1954-55 school year most likely), which is what actually happened.
Two days after the assassination, a third FWST article stated LHO attended Stripling but didn’t say when.
During Robert Oswald’s 1964 WC testimony, he swore that LHO DID attend Stripling.
A 2002 FWST article said, “Yet a 1956 student would become the school’s best-known. For a few weeks—his mother moved several times across Fort Worth—a boy walked to Stripling from a home nearby. His mother was living in a home behind the school on Thomas Place by 1963, when the world learned the name Lee Harvey Oswald.”
The 2017 FWST article merely says, without giving a date, “Teachers and classmates remember him as attending Stripling, though there is no official record.”
These articles clearly have different sources because they provide different details and, in at least one case, disagree on the year LHO attended Stripling, though all clearly agree that he did attend that school.
Despite the five newspaper articles, and Robert Oswald’s sworn testimony confirming LHO’s Stripling attendance, and Marguerite’s newspaper interview indirectly confirming it, and filmed interviews with a 1954 Stripling classmate and the Stripling assistant principal in 1963 who gave LHO’s records to the FBI, the H&L critics simply cannot accept any of this.
Why? Because they know if LHO attended Stripling even briefly in 1954, then there were two LHOs, and, above all else, they cannot accept this. That leads directly to the U.S. Intel project the Russian-speaking LHO was trained for.
And, as always, Mr. Bojczuk hopes readers will believe that Americans don’t recall much about the assassination of JFK 30, 40, or even fifty years later. He hopes we’ll believe they wouldn’t recall their encounters with “Lee Harvey Oswald,” even decades earlier. What nonsense!
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Just two days ago, I summarized and provided links to an enormous amount of evidence that one LHO attended Stripling School in THIS POST.
As hard as they try, the H&L critics simply can't make this evidence go away, and it is clearly driving them crazy.
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14 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Even more incidentally, a friend of Jim's reminds us (https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2209p25-dear-jim#33915) that the account of Hoover's memo on the home page of Jim's website is inaccurate. It claims that "FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover wrote a memo stating that someone was using Lee Harvey Oswald's birth certificate". Hoover wasn't "stating" it; he merely noted the "possibility". Naughty Jim! The moral of the story: if someone tries to sell you a far-fetched super-conspiracy theory involving doppelganger boys and their doppelganger mothers, don't believe a word of it without checking the sources.
Mr. Bojczuk calls me “naughty” for prominently displaying a Hoover document stating that “there is a possibility that an imposter is using Oswald’s birth certificate.” How naughty of me to show the actual document so that readers can see for themselves what it said.
How naughty of Mr. Bojczuk to fail to point out that I showed the actual Hoover imposter document prominently linked near the top of the Harvey and Lee home page. Why did Mr. Bohczuk fail to mention that fact? Personally, it seems to me that Mr. Bojczuk is far more interested in picking fights here than in actually examining evidence, but let’s look at some more evidence for the two Oswalds.
The Warren Commission was fully aware of enormous problems in the official biography of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” It even managed to put in writing that the autobiographical sketch of known facts about LHO and Marguerite Oswald put together by John Ely would “require MATERIAL ALTERATION and, in some instances, OMISSION." (See the bottom paragraph in the memo page below).
14 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:It does look as though Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City (the best online account of this is Bill Simpich's State Secret at https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret.html). Oswald may well have been impersonated at the encounter with Silvia Odio in late September 1963 (for my view, see http://22november1963.org.uk/silvia-odio-visitors; for an alternative view, see https://gregrparker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Sylvia-Odio.pdf). Each of these incidents can be explained without requiring a top-secret long-term doppelganger scheme.
Apart from that, there's nothing that can't be explained by the well-known phenomenon that big news events often generate large numbers of honest but mistaken sightings of the central characters.
Of course, Mr. Bojczuk forgets to mention some very credible accounts of second Oswald appearances, all of which follow a familiar pattern of making the patsy-to-be appear Very Guilty. (It’s what we experts call a “set up.”)
Mr. Bojczuk forgets to mention that on Labor Day weekend of 1963, with one LHO and his wife Marina en route by bus to the home of the Murrets in New Orleans, another LHO was in Kemah, Texas repeatedly trying to buy guns from Fidel Castro's friend and gun supplier Robert McKeown. Had this LHO been successful, the entire assassination of JFK could have been blamed on Castro.
Mr. Bojczuk forgets to mention that two different young men, both claiming to be “Lee Harvey Oswald,” appeared before Texas Employment Commission employee Laura Kittrell, the first on October 3 and again a few days later, the second on October 22. Ms Kittell told the HSCA’s Gaeton Fonzi that the second Oswald “looked the same,” and had “the same general outline and coloring and build, but there was something so different in his bearing.”
He forgets that “Oswald” visits the Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target;
He forgets that, on Nov. 2, “Oswald” visits Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth.
Also on Nov. 2 “Oswald” visits the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he test drives a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car.
On Nov. 6 or 7 “Oswald” visits the Irving Furniture Mart for a gun part and is referred to the shop where Dial Ryder works.
On Nov. 15, “Oswald” goes to the Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) and applies for a job and asks how high the Southland Building is and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.
On Nov. 20 “Oswald” hitch-hikes on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4 foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introduces himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” discusses the President's visit, and asks to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” is already working).
He forgets all these things and more. But not to worry....
The case for two Oswalds includes a lot of documentary evidence. One that Mr. Bojczuk has been ducking for months now involves school records, published in the Warren volumes, showing that in the fall semester of 1953, one LHO attended a full semester of school in New York City while the other attended the full semester in New Orleans.
In the fall semester of 1953, one LHO attended Public School 44 in the Bronx borough of New York City, where he was present for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total accounting of 78 days.
Also in the fall semester of 1953, the other LHO was present at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 school days.
The only argument Mr. Bojczuk has managed to muster so far is that these records are a “distraction.” Not much of a try.
But there is much, much more evidence for two Oswalds. There is enough, in fact, to fill a thousand page book or even to comprise a massive website, such as this one:
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28 minutes ago, James Norwood said:
Jeremy,
Once again, you are taking the words that I have written out of context, distorting what I have written, selectively misrepresenting the words that I used, missing the bigger picture of the importance of Stripling, and failing to answer the questions that I have repeatedly asked you.
Yesterday, David Josephs posted a set of criteria used by those who disrupt forum discussions. The following is a perfect description of your approach:
"Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proof: Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material is irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by. In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, or deny that witnesses are acceptable."
Take for example your limited understanding of the "totality of the evidence" as you write above. The totality of the evidence includes much more than Stripling. Within the period of 1954-56, there were three consecutive instances of Oswald enrolling in a school, then inexplicably dropping out. They include in chronological order: Stripling Junior High School in Fort Worth (dropped out after approximately two months), Warren Easton High School in New Orleans (dropped out after a month), and Arlington Heights High School in Forth Worth (dropped out after a month). During this kid's entire upbringing, he was being moved around like a piece on a chessboard. The question is: why?In a November 15, 1959 Fort Worth Star-Telegram story entitled “My Values Different, Defector Told Mother,” Marguerite was quoted as saying: "He quit school at 14 ... he quit in the eighth grade... but was so set on getting an education, he quit and returned three times."
That, of course, hardly matches the WC education records of Classic Oswald®. But it makes perfect sense if we understand that the Russian-speaking Oswald attended, and later quit, Stripling JHS, Warren Easton High School, and Arlington Heights High School, all soon before joining the Marines, just as Robert Oswald told the FWST before the Warren Commission convened and hired all those high-priced lawyers to hide the truth.
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On 7/16/2020 at 8:01 AM, James Norwood said:
Jeremy,
You continue to misrepresent what I have written about Bobby Pitts, and I have continued to answer all of your questions. Once again: Bobby Pitts resided next door to Oswald on Thomas Place in Forth Worth in a location directly across from Stripling Junior High School. Pitts' recall is important for two reasons: (1) he explicitly recalled Oswald living at 2220 Thomas Place and (2) the timeframe was during the academic year 1954-55.6 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:You wrote that Bobby Pitts (and five other people) "clearly recalled Oswald attending Stripling Junior High School." The only evidence we have about what Pitts recalled is on pages 102-103 of Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. It states that Pitts did not himself attend the school, and that his only recollection was of someone whom he identified, 40 years later, as a boy named Oswald standing on a porch watching some boys playing football in their front yard. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Pitts "clearly recalled Oswald attending Stripling Junior High School."
As he continues to misrepresent Dr. Norwood’s posts about Bobby Pitts, Mr. Bojczuk leaves out an excruciatingly important detail. Bobby Pitts lived at 2224 Thomas Place, right next to LHOs house at 2220 Thomas Place. Fran Schubert and, apparently, others saw LHO walking home from Stripling School to 2220 Thomas Place. What kind of person would remember to tell readers that Bobby Pitts didn't attend Stripling School, while simultaneously forgetting to mention that Bobby Pitts lived right next door to 2220 Thomas Place, the house Oswald was seen walking home to from Stripling School?
Mr. Bojczuk is also incorrect when he says the only place John A. mentions this info is in his book. Back in 1997, during his famous speech in Dallas, John said:
Oswald's 1954 Stripling records have disappeared, but the memories of
Oswald's classmates have not. Doug Gann remembered Oswald in his home
room. Roy Parkin used to play touch football in Oswald's front yard and
saw him in the halls of Stripling. In 1955, Bobby and Jackie Pitts lived
at 2224 Thomas Place, next door to Oswald. Interestingly, Paul Gregory,
Oswald's friend and Marina's interpreter in 1963 also attended Stripling
Junior High in 1954 and was in the same grade as Oswald. When we
understand there are two teenagers using the name Oswald, we realize each
of these boys had a parent or guardian. Perhaps this is the reason we see
Oswald's mother identified sometimes as Marguerite and other times as
Margaret. [From John A’s Dallas speech, 1997]Since Mr. Bojczuk specifically mentions pp. 102-103 of Harvey and Lee, it is difficult to imagine how he missed that fact that John indicated Bobby Pitts lived at 2224 Thomas Place, right next to 2220 Thomas Place.
I located Bobby Pitts, who lived next door at 2224 Thomas Place during the 1954-55
school year. Bobbie was in the 10th grade at Arlington Heights High School but his
younger brother, Jackie (2 years younger), attended Stripling. Bobbie remembered that
when he and some of the neighborhood boys played touch football in his front yard, Lee
Harvey Oswald would stand on the porch at 2220 Thomas Place and watch. [H&L 102-103]Here's what John wrote about Bobby Pitts on our website:
The Marguerite Oswald impostor's repeated contacts with 2220 Thomas Place in 1947, 1954, and 1963, while always wearing a white nurse's uniform, makes this location a possible "safe house" and a "smoking gun." Fellow classmate Doug Gann remembered that Oswald (HARVEY) played basketball, shot baskets after school, and lived in a white house across the street. Bobby Pitts used to play touch football in front of 2220 Thomas Place and remembered that Oswald often stood on the front porch and watched. Gym teacher Mark Summers, who began teaching at Stripling in 1950, remembered that Oswald was in his gym class. [The Early Years of Harvey and Lee,]
Still waiting for an H&L critic to locate a published retraction by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram indicating that the FIVE SEPARATE ARTICLES it published saying that LHO attended Stripling School were in error. No retraction, eh? What a surprise!
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I recommended that Dr. Norwood begin his critique in a new thread so it wouldn't be buried in the mire of the other. Is the link Dr. Norwood provided just too difficult to click? Even though you are a source of endless insults, such as in the post above, you H&L deniers sure get outraged easily!