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Ken, Do you have evidence about any of the hypothetical situations you describe above? Rather than just speculating about everything, let me give you an example of what real evidence shows about “Oswald’s” immediate family. From the Warren Commission Report Oswald was obligated to serve on active duty until December 7, 1959 (the date having been adjusted to compensate for the period of confinement).451 On August 17, he submitted a request for a depend- ency discharge, on the ground that his mother needed his support.452 The request was accompanied by an affidavit of Mrs. Oswald and cor- roborating affidavits from an attorney, a doctor, and two friends, attesting that she had been injured at work in December 1958, and was unable to support herself.453 [WCR, p. 688] The above indicates that “Marguerite” was unemployed from December 1958 until at least Aug. 17, 1959. In fact, other WC documents indicate she was unemployed the entire year of 1959. This is an important period, because it was the time the Russian-speaking Oswald was officially released from his so-called service in the USMC enabling his false defection to the Soviet Union. And yet, according to both Robert Oswald and John Pic, they visited their mother (the real Marguerite) in April 1959 and around Halloween 1958, while she was working at Cox’s Department Store in Fort Worth. Robert said she worked at Cox’s from the fall of 1958 until at least the time of his visit with her around April 1959. Robert Oswald’s testimony: Mr. JENNER. In the month of April '59? Mr. OSWALD. Approximately that date. Mr. JENNER. And did you visit her, or did she visit you? Mr. OSWALD. I saw her at her place of employment. Mr. JENNER. And how did that come about? Mr. OSWALD. I do not remember, sir. Mr. JENNER. Would it refresh your recollection if I recited some possibilities--that she called you and asked you to come to see her, that you desired to inquire of her, see if she was all right, or was it that you just happened to be in the downtown Fort Worth area, and you stopped by to see her, knowing where she was employed? Mr. OSWALD. I believe the latter would possibly be more accurate. Mr. JENNER. Is that your best recollection at the moment? Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. She was not employed at that time at the downtown area of Fort Worth, but rather at a suburb store, Cox's Department Store. Mr. JENNER. This is a shoe store? Mr. OSWALD. No, sir, this is just a large department store, from wearing apparel to toys, a full line store. John Pic’s testimony: Mr. JENNER. This is the first time you had seen your brother Robert, I take it, since his visit to New York City, is that correct? Mr. PIC. That is correct. Mr. JENNER. And that was a cordial reunion, was it? Mr. PIC. Yes; it was. Mr. JENNER. Was your mother working at that time? Mr. PIC. She was working, sir, when we arrived there, at Cox, I believe, Department Store at the candy counter, I believe it was Cox, I know she was working at a candy counter. According to the FBI/WC, “Marguerite” was unemployed when Robert visited his real mother at Cox’s Dept. Store, and, again according to the WC, "Marguerite" was working at the King Candy Counter at the Fair Ridglea Department Store when Mr. Pic testified he visited his mother, just as Robert had testified, at Cox’s. It’s a small point, perhaps, but it is thousands of little details such as this that need to be understood to be able to comprehend the Oswald Project. Robert Oswald knew all about it and, after it became entangled in the JFK assassination, must have been persuaded to keep silent about it with a “sources and methods” argument from U.S. intel. John Pic refused to talk to almost anyone, including John Armstrong, after the assassination. I think he suspected something, but may not have known what to make of it all. It’s interesting that he told the Warren Commission that several clear pictures of “Oswald” did not appear to be of his brother.
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I'd like to add that, for nearly three and half years prior to the assassination of JFK, Hoover was quite aware of the possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was being impersonated. Read the last paragraph of the document below. This is the reason Hoover, within hours of the assassination, dispatched agents in NYC, New Orleans, and Texas to confiscate all the original school records and early employment records for Oswald.
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The exhumation photos clearly show that the Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald had all of his teeth, at least those that would be visible in a photograph. All the Oswald photos that seem to show a missing tooth or teeth are of American-born Lee Oswald, at least according to John A’s analysis of the known facts about the two biographies. It should be noted, though, that the photographic evidence is probably just as compromised as so much other evidence is in this case.
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Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
<LAUGH!> But she must have meant to describe something a little different, eh? -
John, That document is a hoax.
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Rick, Absolutely! Sandy started with evidence that John A. discovered in the late 1990s and kept expanding on it. I believe he (Sandy) was the first researcher to make note of the “FAILED” prosthesis notation on the USMC records. Thank you for providing the link to his posts. Here ‘tis again: Sandy Larsen’s Study of “Oswald” Dental Records Here is the evidence John and I have been presenting for years that started Sandy on his quest: In the fall of 1954, LEE Oswald was in the 9th grade at Beauregard JHS, where he became friends with a kid named Ed Voebel after Voebel witnessed him in a protracted fight with the Neumeyer brothers, Johnny and Mike. Voebel and a couple of other kids attempted to patch Lee up. This was in November. Voebel told the Warren Commission that Oswald lost a tooth in the fight. Mr. JENNER. But you do remember that you attempted to help him when he was struck in the mouth on that occasion; is that right? Mr. VOEBEL. Yes; I think he even lost a tooth from that. I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out. Soon after the fight, Voebel took a famous photograph of Oswald that he eventually sold to LIFE magazine after the assassination. It appears to show LEE Oswald with a missing tooth. About a half century later, after one of a number of meetings John Armstrong had with Marina (Oswald) Porter, she handed him all the original photos of the 1981 exhumation. Here is one of them. As you can see, there is no missing front tooth. From this starting point, Sandy Larsen developed substantially more evidence. John Butler also discovered recently that the 1955 Civil Air Patrol photo (which also depicts David Ferrie) seems to show American-born LEE Oswald with a missing tooth that is clearly present in the exhumation photo. I personally have the Feb. 21, 1964 edition of LIFE magazine which contains the big halftone reproduction of Voebel's photo that fills up all of page 70 and extends onto page 71. The images above (except Marina's exhumation graphic) were from my scanner, or processed from a scans I made, and I did my best to make the most accurate reproductions possible. Thanks again, Rick!
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Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
I meant to add that in her DPD Affidavit, Mrs. Postal indicated that "Oswald" did NOT buy a ticket. If you put together her affidavit, FBI report, and testimony, there are all kinds of issues, at least as I recall. Going through this stuff, and thinking of a 1:05 Oswald and a 1:35 Oswald arriving at the theater, it gets interesting. -
Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Cory, The problem with trying to use Mrs. Postal to impeach Mr. Burroughs is that she appears to have been remarkably inconsistent about the central issue of what she observed when she told the FBI that “she was unable to recall whether or not he bought a ticket....” Now, in this case at least, I don’t trust the FBI as far as I can throw its headquarters building, but I can fathom no reason for SA Carter or any other FBI employee to have altered her statement, can you? -
And, to continue Paul's point, the very next day Deputy Attorney General Katzenbach wrote the infamous memo that called for a cover-up... I mean a determination of "Oswald's" lone guilt.. before the Warren Commission was even organized. An easier to read reproduction of the above document can be seen at this address: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62268#relPageId=29&tab=page
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Of course Mr. and Mrs. Evans didn't realize the enormity of what CIA accountant James Wilcott called "the Oswald Project," but they clearly didn't recognize their long-time friend "Marguerite." Myrtle Evans and her husband Julian were friends with the real Marguerite Oswald for nearly three decades. Included in Julian Evans' April 7, 1964 WC testimony was this exchange with Jenner (emphasis added): Mr. JENNER - Give me your impression of Marguerite Oswald. Mr. EVANS - Marguerite? Mr. JENNER - Yes. Mr. EVANS - I think she's a fine woman, myself, a fine woman; intelligent, very soft spoken - a beautiful woman, with black hair streaked with a little gray, but when you saw her on television since this thing happened, she really looked awful; nothing at all like she used to look. She has really aged. She looked like a charwoman, compared to what she used to look like. She used to be a fashion plate. She dressed beautifully, but when we saw her on television just recently, after all this happened, she looked awful. There's no way to describe it, the change that has come over her. You wouldn't have recognized her if they hadn't told you who she was; she looked that different. Where her hair used to be black, now it's entirely gray, and she really looks Old Mr. JENNER - Well, she's 57, I believe. Mr. EVANS - That's right; she's the same age as my wife, but she looks about 70 now. That's about all I can remember about her, and then I saw this thing on television when the President was assassinated, and when it showed her picture, we just couldn't believe it was Marguerite. His wife Myrtle Evans testified on the same day: Mrs. EVANS - A very good housekeeper, very tasty; she could take anything and make something out of it, and something beautiful. She had a lot of natural talent that way, and she was not lazy. She would work with things by the hour for her children, and she kept a very neat house, and she was always so lovely herself. That's why, when I saw her on TV, after all of this happened, she looked so old and haggard, and I said, "That couldn't be Margie," but of course it was, but if you had known Margie before all this happened, you would see what I mean. She was beautiful. She had beautiful wavy hair. Mrs. Evans added this: Mrs. EVANS - As far as I could see, they were very happy, very closely knit, very much in love with each other, and these boys knew that their mother was putting them through school, and giving them what they needed, as best she could. She was a very good provider for her children, and a very decent woman. I mean, she wasn't a loose woman at all. She was very decent, a very fine woman. Does that sound like the "Marguerite Oswald" we all heard about. And then there's Ed Voebel.... Mr. JENNER. Did you ever meet his mother? Mr. VOEBEL. I think I met her one time, and for some reason I had a picture in my mind which was different from when I saw her in the paper after all of this happened. I didn't recognize her. She was a lot thinner, and her hair wasn't as gray, as I recall it, when I met her. Of course, this was about 8 years ago, but I can remember she had a black dress on, and she was sitting down smoking a cigarette; now, maybe she wasn't smoking, but this is a picture that comes to my mind as I recall that. Of course, none of these people could have possibly known about the elaborate charade that comprised the Oswald Project, but they clearly were surprised at phony Marguerite's appearance in 1964. Mr. and Mrs. Evans both testified that the Lee Harvey Oswald they knew was loud and boisterous, with a "foghorn voice." This is certainly not the quiet, withdrawn, passive-aggresive kid described by the Warren Commission. Item #361 on the Warren Commission's list of source materials is entitled "Biographic Information on Mrs. Oswald and her relatives." The report on Mrs. Oswald's background, not surprisingly, was prepared by the CIA.
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The Russian-speaking Oswald had no one to care for him, just an estranged wife who couldn’t wait to get away from him and two daughters too young to help. On the other hand, the American-born Oswald had a brother, a half-brother, and a real mother, (the real “Marguerite”did seem to disappear). There was certainly too much light on “Lee Harvey Oswald” to risk killing his immediate family members. In a memo to Lou Ivon, Jim Garrison wrote this about Classic Oswald’s® brother: "If you really want to know what I think, it is that Robert Oswald knew this returning defector was not really Lee and this is what Robert's problem was the night of the assassination when he found it necessary to take such a long drive to think things out. He knew things were far more complicated than they appeared on the surface." Robert Oswald, probably for entirely patriotic reasons, was an integral part of the original “Oswald project,” which had been going on for at least a decade but only became entangled in the plot to kill JFK in 1963. Half-brother John Pic told the Warren Commission that he didn’t recognize his own brother from several clear pictures of Classic Oswald. The woman who testified as “Marguerite Oswald” was an impostor, a caretaker for the young Russian-speaking man who eventually was known to the world as “Lee Harvey Oswald.” She knew so little about her “son” that she had to be given notes during her testimony to remind her of basic biographical details about him. Marguerite told a NYC probation officer that she was the youngest of 6 children, yet there were 5 children in the Claverie family. She gave Lee Oswald's father's name as Robert Lee Harvey, when his real name was Robert Edward Lee Oswald. She said Lee's father died at age 45, yet we know he was 41 years old when he died. She gave her marriage date as July 19, 1929, yet she married Robert Oswald in 1933. She gave her sister's name as Lillian Sigouerette, when we know her sister's name was Lillian Murrett. She said she formerly owned a house in Corning, Texas, yet there is not and never has been a "Corning," Texas. She gave Lee Harvey Oswald's birth date as October 19 when the correct date was October 18th. She said Lee was baptized at the Trinity Lutheran Church in New Orleans, when the records show he was baptized at the Redeemer Lutheran Church in New Orleans. When she was asked by the Warren Commission whether Lee's father was right or left handed she replied, "I do not remember, sir."
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Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Cory, The interview was the day after the assassination. There are many references to it. See, for example, Bill Simpich’s State Secret, chapter 6. (It’s a lengthy online page comprising the entire chapter, but just search for “Harris” and the first hit is it.) Or see The Fourth Decade, v4, #5, p. 6. John A. described it this way on one of our website pages: Jones Harris, a long time assassination investigator, arrived in Dallas the day after the assassination. Harris interviewed Julia Postal in the office of the manager of the Texas Theater. Harris asked Postal if she sold a ticket to the man arrested in the theater by the Dallas Police. Postal immediately burst into tears. Harris walked out of the office and returned a short time later. When Harris asked Postal again if she sold (HARVEY) Oswald a ticket she again burst into tears. Harris was convinced that Postal knew that she sold Harvey Oswald a ticket to the theater. Butch Burroughs told Texas researcher Jim Marrs that Postal knows that she sold (HARVEY) Oswald a ticket. Mr. Harris told others that he had talked to Ms. Postal for a while before asking her the question about selling a ticket, and so it seemed to be specifically that issue that brought her to tears, twice. -
The space below is left blank to provide room for Mr. Payette, or anyone else, to explain how, during fall semester of the 1953/1954 school year, one Oswald attended Public School 44 in NYC for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total accounting of 78 days, while in the very same semester, the other Oswald attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 days, and was absent one day. Here’s some more space for Mr. Payette, or anyone else, to explain what happened to Oswald’s records from Stripling School. Or perhaps someone can explain why Oswald’s employment prior to his service in the U.S. Marine Corps was not recognized by the Social Security Administration. Or maybe someone—anyone—will tell us how one Oswald was stationed in Ping-Tung, Taiwan at the same time another was being treated for venereal disease near Atsugi, Japan. (According to Google, the two locations are 2,316 km apart.) Or, let’s keep it simple. Could Oswald drive a car? Did he have a Texas driver’s license? Since Mr. Payette so often psychoanalyzes people who he thinks suffer from what he surely considers to be H&L derangement syndrome, perhaps he can show, citing a few examples above, why he people who understand and believe the Harvey and Lee analysis are so wrong.
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Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Cory, Julia Postal may be hiding something. Early researcher Jones Harris interviewed her in the office of the manager of the Texas Theater. Harris asked Postal if she sold a ticket to the man arrested in the theater by the Dallas Police. Postal immediately burst into tears. Harris walked out of the office and returned a short time later. When Harris asked Postal again if she sold Oswald a ticket she again burst into tears. I think the Oswald killed by Jack Ruby arrived at the theater right around 1 pm or a couple of minutes later. He bought a ticket and Julia Postal may have realized it. The second Oswald, Tippit's killer, arrived as late as 1:40 pm and didn't buy a ticket simply to attract attention and lead the police to the theater. -
Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Ron Bulman, who originated this thread, had a nice summary back in August. -
Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Isn't it amazing how two H&L critics declare victory and then write on and on and on about how wrong we are about the arrest of two Oswalds in the Texas Theater? Mr. Haire tells us that the second Oswald appeared to have been in a struggle when he saw him. Mr. Burroughs saw the second Oswald in handcuffs. Yet Mr. B wants us to believe that handcuffed man was a mere witness. They go on and on about where the second Oswald was actually arrested, in the balcony or downstairs, as if that made any freakin' difference! My guess is that it was a balcony arrest simply because two Dallas Police reports said so. But it really doesn't matter in the least. There is a trainload of evidence for two Oswalds, who on assassination day had two different wallets, who entered the theater at different times, with one impersonating and setting up the other in the weeks prior to the hit. No matter how many long-winded posts they make, the evidence does not go away. -
What’s kind of creepy about all this is that H&L critics want us to believe that Fred Sewell, who at the time as living at 6520 Ithaca Street in Metairie, LA, and at the time of the interview with James Alcock was employed by Stevens Chevrolet in New Orleans, was making all this up! It’s creepy because the one organization that we KNOW lied about assassination witnesses was the FBI. Once again, here’s the three minute video on YouTube in which Mark Lane and Gil Jesus show how the FBI dramatically altered the statements of three crucial Dealey Plaza witnesses: PROOF THE FBI LIED Mr. Sewell freely provided this information to the Assistant D.A. of New Orleans. During his interview, he explained that the FBI lied about showing a photograph to him and his assistant Oscar Deslatte. What a surprise! Also recalling that one Oswald was vehicle shopping in New Orleans while another was in the Soviet Union was James Spencer, who worked at Dumas Milner Chevrolet in the city. Although Milner didn’t recall exactly when Oswald on two occasions visited dealership, he only worked there from February to August 1961, when the other Oswald was in the Soviet Union. Spencer recalled that Oswald was interested in purchasing a 1958 Chevrolet. When Oswald returned for the second time Spencer took him across the street to the Walgreen Drug Store for coffee. Spencer remembered the young man talked a lot about Cuba and Castro. When they finished having coffee Spencer wrote the young man's name, "Oswald," on the back of one of his business cards. After the assassination Spencer was interviewed by the FBI, and said he had no doubt that the individual he met in 1961 was "Lee Harvey Oswald."
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Thanks, Paul. Despite the usual false claims that someone somewhere else has explained all this, it is quite obvious that no one here can explain the conflicting school records showing that: For the 8th Grade fall semester of the 1953/1954 school year, one Oswald attended Public School 44 in New York City for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total attendance of 78 days. In the very same semester, the other Oswald attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 days, and was absent one day. No one has ever explained it. I await, as always, an explanation from an H&L critic or anyone else. In the meantime, as promised let me get back to the Bolton Ford incident. In my next post, I'll show where I think we stand.
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Mr. Payette is clearly unable to explain the conflicting school records we have already presented, and so he changes the subject by demanding we do some homework and gather more school documents. Although Mr. Armstrong has placed on YouTube numerous interviews with teachers and students who attended school with “Lee Harvey Oswald,” Mr. Payette clearly doesn’t understand that there are simply no verifiable, original school records for “Lee Harvey Oswald” at all. Since he brought the subject up, perhaps Mr. Payette can explain to us why he is unconcerned that, within hours of the assassination, the school and early work records for “Lee Harvey Oswald” were confiscated by the FBI and promptly lost, replaced by b&w photocopies. The confiscation of documents was usually done before there was even time to determine if their were other co-conspirators or if other government officials were targeted for assassination. As ARRB staffer Joe Freeman discovered, “all the school and employment records I looked at in the Warren Commission Exhibit files at Archives II were copies, not originals.” No doubt Mr. Payette has not the slightest interest about why the originals of all these original school records disappeared. Will he tell us that U.S. courts are as receptive to copies of documents as they are to originals? My suggestion is the originals disappeared because it is much easier to alter b&w copies than originals. Would a judge not agree with me? To borrow the phrase that Mr. Payette says he borrowed, “this makes sense because” two boys were sharing one identity, so that a Russian-speaking youth could adopt the identity of an American-born boy and travel to the Soviet Union on behalf of American Intel, where he would secretly understand the Russian language. It was necessary for the impostor to have a life as similar as possible to the American he was mimicking. What if, for example, a Soviet official questioned the Russian-speaking youth and asked a simple question, such as, “Say, Comrade, thees Beau-Re-Gard School you go to. Where you eat lunch? Basement? First floor? Second floor? Third?” Real life experiences would have been the best way to ready a VERY young spy for these kinds of interrogations. Since Mr. Payette clearly can’t explain the conflicting records we’ve already shown here, let’s go back to those disappearing originals. Here, for just one example, is John’s description of what happened to the New York City school records for “Lee Harvey Oswald.” Documents are below the book excerpt. (I’m not going to bother to clean up the OCR scan errors): After realizing the court and school records contained numerous contradictions, I began assembling and sorting through all of the New York records I could find. The Warren Commission published a complete set of Oswald's elementary school records from Fort Worth, including grade cards, enrollment forms, cumulative records, atten- dance records, and interviews with many students, neighbors, and teachers. The War- ren Commission also published numerous photographs of Oswald in grade school as well as a class photograph. As I searched the Warren Volumes looking for New York records and photo- graphs I was surprised to find that there were no grade cards, no enrollment forms, and no transcripts from his previous school in Ft Worth (Ridglea West Elementary). I noticed there were conflicting attendance records, no school photographs, no interviews of Oswald's classmates, and only one interview of a teacher. When I visited the National Archives in Adelphi, Maryland, I learned, as did the Assassination Records Review Board in 1995, that there were no original school records whatsoever-only copies of records. When original records disappear, and only copies re- main, there is a distinct possibility that the original records were altered and then de- stroyed. I decided to see if I could determine what happened to Oswald's original New York school records. The WC requested Oswald's original New York school records As I began sorting through New York school and court records, I realized that the Warren Commission may also have been aware of conflicting records. They asked the FBI to obtain Oswald's original school and court records, but the Bureau did not comply. The Commission then wrote to New York Mayor Robert Wagner and asked his office for help in .obtaining Oswald's original school records. Mayor Wagner's office responded to the Commission's request by enclosing copies of Oswald's New York school records and advising that the original court records had been turned over to SA John Malone personally by Judge Florence Kelley. 53-09 It appeared the original records disappeared while in SA Malone's custody, so I decided to place all available documentation and correspondence in chronological order to see if my thoughts were correct. Oswald's school records disappeared while in FBI custody Judge Florence Kelley was the Administrative Judge of the Family Court of the State of New York in 1963, and the Oswald case file (#23979) was under her supervision. After the assassination she conferred with superior court judges and together they de- cided the Oswald file would be given to the Special Agent in charge of the FBI's New York office, John Malone. On November 27, 1963 Judge Kelley allowed SAIC Malone to review the Oswald file in her chambers and in her presence. She permitted him to take notes of pertinent portions, but would not permit the file to be removed from her office or cop- ied. A few days later she conferred with the Presiding Justice of the Appellate Division, Bernard Botein, and with his approval agreed to turn over all original court records in possession of the Family Court to SAIC Malone. On December 2, 1963 Judge Kelley personally gave the Oswald file to Malone with the condition that it be transmitted immediately to the Warren Commission. Three days later, on December 5, 1963, FBI SA Michael O'Rourke advised the Secret Service the file had been sent to the WaTTen Commission. On December 10, eight days after Judge Kelley turned her court file over to the FBI, an internal FBI memo relating to the Files of Domestic Relations Court states, "rec'd by Assist Dir. John Malone 11/27-12/2." From this memo and Judge Kelley's statement, it is clear that Judge Kelley gave the original court file to SAIC Malone. In preparation for the testimony of Marguerite Oswald in February 1964, the Warren Commission requested Oswald's original New York school and court records from Mayor Wagner of New York City. On February 4, Miss Bernice McCrae of the Mayors office spoke with Judge Kelley, who advised that she had given the original records to SAIC John Malone. Miss McCrae then telephoned the FBI's New York Office. She asked if the original records in the Oswald file had, in fact, been turned over to the Warren Commis- sion. Miss McCrae never received an answer. Later that afternoon she wrote a letter on behalf of Mayor Wagner to Mr. Rankin of Warren Commission which stated, "I am at- taching to this letter copies of the school records .... Judge Florence Kelley informed me she turned over all original records in the possession of the Family Court dealing with the case of Lee Harvey Oswald to John F. Malone, Assistant Director in Charge of the New York City office of the FBI."42 There is no evidence or documentation whatsoever that Malone turned the original court file over to the Warren Commission. On February 7, at 3:37 pm, FBI Inspector J. R. Malley telephoned the FBI's New York office and spoke to the Assistant Special Agent in Charge, W. M. Alexander, about the original court records. Malley advised that FBI headquarters in Washington had no information that indicated the original documents had been received from New York and he asked Alexander to check further. At 3:45 pm Alexander telephoned Malley and advised that SAIC Malone. his supervisor. had photographed the entire file and that copies of the file had been sent to FBI headquarters in Washington. Alexander said there was no record that photographs were sent to FBI headquarters, but that additional photographs of the file were available. Malley then asked that two copies of the photographs be sent immediately to his atten- tion at FBI Headquarters in Washington. There is no indication that Inspector Malley made any additional inquiries into the fate of the original court files, which were last seen by Judge Kelley when she per- sonally handed them to SAIC John Malone. Whenever original records are destroyed and only copies or photographs remain, it is probable that the original documents were altered and then photocopied. [Harvey and Lee, pp. 62-63] Here are some of the documents John studied to do the write-up above. One Oswald had excellent attendance in the NYC schools; the other was so often truant that the whole operation was nearly exposed by the NYC court system. The Russian-speaking kid and his caretaker “mother” fled to New Orleans shortly before a NYC court appearance was scheduled, where he was gradually re-introduced to the public school system as a part-time student. For the 8th Grade fall semester of the 1953/1954 school year, one Oswald attended Public School for 62 full days and 5 half days, was absent 3 full days and 8 half days, for a total attendance of 78 days. In the very same semester, the other Oswald attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 days, and was absent one day. Here, once more, are those records. Will Mr. Payette explain them this time? Or will he change the subject yet again? The very next semester, one Oswald was at Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while the other attended Stripling School in Texas. I’ve already presented the considerable evidence for that, and Mr. Payette has already decided to just say these records are too difficult to understand, and then change the subject. The Stripling School records also disappeared, but for them, not even b&w photocopies were produced as replacements. Why? Because from the other records there is simply no time for any Oswald to have attended Stripling. Stripling assistant principal Frank Kudlaty in 1963 met FBI agent at the school and gave them “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” Stripling records. His YouTube interview is here. On two separate occasions, Robert Oswald told a Fort Worth newspaper that his brother attended Stripling. See one of the articles here. Robert also testified to the Warren Commission that his “brother” attended Stripling. Harvey Oswald’s classmate Fran Schubert said she attended Stripling with Oswald and watched him walk home from Stripling to his house at 2220 Thomas Place. See her YouTube interview with John here. In the 1990s, Stripling School principal Ricardo Galindo told John that it was “common knowledge” that “Lee Harvey Oswald” attended Stripling. John also spoke to local student Bobby Pitts, who remembered that Oswald attended Stripling with his younger brother and that he (Bobby) remembered seeing (Harvey) Oswald standing on the porch at 2220 Thomas Place, directly across the street from Stripling. John also spoke with former Stripling student Doug Gann, who attended ninth grade at Stripling with Harvey and remembered that he live “across the street from the basketball courts and one or two houses to the left,” which exactly describes 2220 Thomas Place, where “Marguerite Oswald” lived at the time of the assassination of JFK. John made audio recordings of the Stripling people mentioned above, and we'll be putting together something about them next summer. In the meantime.... A Forth Worth Star-Telegram article from November 2017 would indicate that Oswald’s “teachers and classmates remember him at Stripling, though there is no official record.” Read the article here.
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Two Oswalds in the Texas Theater
Jim Hargrove replied to Ron Bulman's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
In the last line of the post above, Mr. B. urges forum members to click a link to Greg Parker's site and read the latest about me there. Now, I never go to Mr. Parker’s site, but I’m told by others that he seems to track just about all my posts and write bout how horrible they all are. What a hoot! Shortly before he was banned from this forum, Mr. Parker claimed that some image files I linked contained a virus. I wanted to make sure the bogus claim wasn’t deleted later, and so I captured an image of it. Here ‘tis: It was easy to prove my files contained no viruses. My webhost helped and at least one of the moderators here indicated that no one except Mr. Parker seemed to get a virus. But it got me thinking that Mr. Parker clearly has viruses on his mind, and one of the reasons I don’t go to his site is just to be certain I don’t, uh, catch anything there. There are various types of malware now that don’t even require browser clicks to propagate. Mr. Parker’s endless attention to me is amusing, though. Perhaps there just isn’t much to do down there in Aussie land. -
Now that we know that Mr. Payette based his lengthy psychoanalysis of conspiracy believers in general and people who understand and believe in Harvey and Lee in particular on the faulty assumption that “the H&L version of the Bolton Ford incident is based almost entirely on the recollections of Sewell in 1967,” let’s see if we can really figure out what really happened. Here’s the basic story, as John A. described it: On January 20, 1961, while Harvey Oswald was in Minsk, two men visited the Bolton Ford dealership in New Orleans. They spoke with Assistant Manager Oscar Deslatte and said they were interested in purchasing 10 Ford Econoline Trucks. As one of the men discussed the purchase with Deslatte the other man, who identified himself as Joseph Moore, made a list of the equipment they desired on the trucks. Deslatte went to his boss, truck manager Fred Sewell, and told him about the two men who wanted to purchase trucks and said they represented the "Free Democrats of Cuba or some such organization." Sewell told Deslatte to give the men a bid of $75 over their cost for the trucks. Deslatte and Sewell returned to Deslatte's desk and wrote out a bid form to Joseph Moore. As Deslatte was filling out the bid form, Joseph Moore and the other man began talking to both Deslatte and Sewell.42 When Moore saw that Deslatte had written his name on the bid form he asked that the name be changed to "Friends of Democratic Cuba." Moore's friend looked· at the form and said, "By the way, you'd better put my name down there because I'm the man handling the money." When Deslatte asked, "What's your name?" the man replied, "Lee Oswald.” Deslatte gave the original bid form to "Lee Oswald" and kept a copy for his files, which he gave to the FBI following the assassination. Note that on the bid form “Friends of Democratic Cuba” is written in near the top left, and the date, Jan. 20, 1961, is written near the top right and, under that, “Oswald.” Mr. Payette wants us to believe that there is nothing significant to the fact that the officers and directors of the Friends of Democratic Cuba, Inc. included W. Guy Banister, who worked with “Oswald” in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, and former “Oswald” employer Gerard Tugague. On Dec. 19, 1963, the SAC in New Orleans sent an Airtel directly to J. Edgar Hoover himself informing him that Bolton Ford’s assistance manager Oscar Deslatte was telling others that he “had been contacted by Oswald and Oswald said he was trying to get trucks for Cuba.” Hoover went on to order the fabrication of a pre-dated a document designed to discredit at least parts of the story, including a false claim that Deslatte was unable to identify a picture of Oswald. We are supposed to believe this report was issued on 11/25/63, just three days after the assassination, when, in fact, Hoover wasn’t even informed of the Bolton Ford charges until 12/19/63 Airtel three weeks later. (If you don’t believe the FBI would fabricate information, just take a look at this three minute video on YouTube in which Mark Lane and Gil Jesus show how the FBI dramatically altered the statements of three crucial Dealey Plaza witnesses.) PROOF THE FBI LIED Is there more evidence that the FBI report lied specifically about Deslatte being shown a picture of Oswald? Sure there is. On May 2, 1967, James Alcock and Jim Garrison interviewed Fred Sewell, Oscar Deslatte’s boss at Bolton Ford. (Mr. Payette wants us to believe Mr. Sewell invented the whole Bolton Ford incident during this interview, as if none of the above had happened.) During that interview, Mr. Sewell described how he and Mr. Deslatte decided to call the FBI, what the FBI did, and added that the FBI agents “didn’t show us no pictures. They didn’t do anything but take that paper and they offered us a receipt.”