Jim Hargrove

You guys wouldn't be impressed with signed, notarized confessions by Phillips and Hunt. You'd just make excuses that they were both senile, or trying to become famous, or that they both laughed inappropriately. You guys clearly don't have any interest at all in asking why the HSCA didn't even bother to find out what a "Cuban stress analysis" was in the first place... or if they did why they hid the information from us. After all, we're only talking about the alleged assassin of JFK. You don't want to think about the fact that Wilcott clearly wanted to take a lie detector test, in addition to the fact that a "Cuban stress analysis verified Wilcott validity," in addition to the fact that he and his attorney clearly told the HSCA far more than he was allowed to say in open testimony. By all means, let's just pretend we believe you and trust the Warren Report!

There WERE two "Lee Harvey Oswalds" in the Dallas area at the time of the assassination. There is a lengthy book about them called Harvey and Lee. Mr. Trejo is now asking if there was a THIRD "Lee Harvey Oswald" in the area at the time. That strikes me as extremely unlikely, but I'll try to remember to ask John about it. He DID get a copy of the 1956 telephone dirctory from New Orleans, which shows no "Lee Oswalds", no "Harvey Oswalds" and no "Lee Harvey Oswalds," but, interestingly enough, two "Marguerite Oswalds," one abbreviated as "Margt." Clearly, though, no amount of "homework," and no amount of evidence would lead Mr. Trejo to publicly admit that there were two "Lee Harvey Oswalds" involved in a U.S. Intel operation when Harvey "defected" to the U.S.S.R. and around the time JFK was assassinated. He just will not admit this sort of thing. Another example is when Mr. Trejo and I argued about the testimony of CIA accountant James Wilcott, who testified that he made payments to an encrypted account for "Lee Harvey Oswald" and that the cryptonym for the "Oswald Project" was RX-ZIM. Even though Mr. Wilcott passed a voice stress analysis test apparently called a "Cuban stress analysis," and even though he said that he would "gladly submit to a polygraph examination," Mr. Trejo will have none of it. Mr. Trejo refuses to consider any information indicating there were two "Lee Harvey Oswalds" deeply involved in U.S. Intel operations of the era, and that the "Oswald Project," as Mr. Wilcott referred to it, was funded by the CIA. He refuses to recognize this fact citing any number of objections, including improperly vetted testimony and statements, poor or non-existent follow-ups, and rhetorical tricks of the debating trade, despite the fact that he knows full well that official investigations into the assassination and the biography of "Lee Harvey Oswald" were nothing but expensive cover-ups. No amount of evidence will be sufficient for Mr. Trejo if it points to the fact that the "Oswald Project" was a creature of the CIA.

Mr. Walton would like us to believe that the mug shot of "Lee Harvey Oswald" published in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram at the time of Harvey Oswald's defection is normal. See, says Mr. Walton, posting pictures of Elvis Presley, Donald Duck, and the Man on the Moon, there is nothing unusual here. They just couldn't do any better in 1959. This is the spittin' image of "Lee Harvey Oswald," eh? And here's the "retransmitted" AP/WWP photo. Looks just like "Lee Harvey Oswald," doesn't it? Mr. Walton assures us this sort of thing is completely normal. Just ask him! Maybe he can post pictures of Big Foot or the Loch Ness Monster to show us how normal this is. Mr. Walton doesn't want to even think about the real reason the photo published in the paper is so terrible, and that reason is this: The man born as Lee Harvey Oswald was not the Russian-speaking teenager who assumed his identity and worked as a U.S. spy in Moscow and Minsk from 1959 to 1962. But a few people in the Dallas/Fort Worth area might have known the man born as LEE Harvey Oswald well enough to see that a clear picture of the man who took his identity, HARVEY Oswald, looked slightly different. And so we have a picture that Mr. Walton tries endlessly to 'splain with no success.

Thanks, Sandy. I knew Mr. Trejo’s statement couldn’t possibly be true because there was no greater support of Harvey and Lee than the late, great Jack White. I miss him enormously. Mr. Trejo typically uses evidence of a second “Lee Harvey Oswald” to declare the evidence invalid because he insists there was only one Oswald and evidence is therefore wrong. This technique will no doubt fool Michael Walton, but it won’t fool me (or you)!

All of this nit-picking is, of course, completely irrelevant. Mr. Trejo knows full well there was never an adequate investigation into this case or the real biography of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” The point Mr. Trejo doesn’t want to admit is that multiple workers at the Texas Department of Public Safety License Records Dept. said that “Lee Harvey Oswald” had a Texas driver’s license and that it was returned to the office less than a week after the assassination. Mr. Trejo writes that because the license was worn and stained, as if carried in a wallet for some time, it was probably not carried by Classic Oswald®, who only lived in Texas for a short time before the assassination. And that is reasonable. Many people, including Marina, Robert, and both Paines said Classic Oswald® did not have a driver’s license and did not drive. The man who DID have a diver’s license was the man born as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” who was active in the U.S. working with anti-Castro paramilitary forces while Classic Oswald® (Harvey) was in the Soviet Union. The same American-born "Lee Harvey Oswald" worked with Jack Ruby in Dallas in 1963 while Harvey and Marina were in New Orleans. For details on the Russia/U.S. Oswalds, see: Harvey in Russia... Lee in the USA Lee framed Harvey for the assassination of JFK. That is what John Armstrong’s new write-up is about. Read it here: Setting up HARVEY Oswald as the “Patsy”

You're kidding, right?

With all due respect, I don't believe you. Jack White posted on this forum for many years. Please point to ANYTHING at this site that backs up your claim that Mr. White indicated that the photo below was FAKED by the Russians.

Mr. Trejo likes to talk about WC criticism which is “old, moldy, and tired,” and yet to critique Harvey and Lee and the setup of Harvey, he resorts to the oldest, moldiest, and tiredest story of them all: The Warren Commission. Mr. Trejo would like us to believe that the concerted effort to frame Harvey Oswald in advance as the likely assassin-to-be of JFK was just a case of mistaken identity by the witnesses. That’s what the Warren Commission often concluded. And that’s the argument Sylvia Meagher demolished half a century ago. From Accessories After the Fact:

Do you really not understand the evidence you are trying to deny? The Texas driver's license was held by the American-born LEE Harvey Oswald, the Oswald who was living in and around Dallas after HARVEY Oswald went back to New Orleans. American-born Oswald, who spent time around Jack Ruby, was seen by many people in the Dallas area while Harvey and Marina were in New Orleans. He probably had the driver's license long enough for it to have become worn. We may well have a picture of LEE Oswald at Ruby's club. There is lots of evidence of American-born LEE Oswald living and working around Dallas while Harvey and Marina were in New Orleans. For example.... In the summer of 1963 Dorothy Marcum was dating Ruby and her aunt worked for Ruby. Dorothy told the FBI that LEE Oswald worked for Ruby during June and July and the two men definitely knew each other. Ruby was interviewing Francis Irene Hise for a job as a waitress when a young man entered the Carousel Club and Ruby said “Hi, Ozzie” to the young man. After she was hired Miss Hise served drinks to “Ozzie," whom she recognized after the assassination as LHO. Another employee, Clyde Malcolm Limbough, worked for Ruby three years and saw Oswald in Ruby's office on several occasions. Helen Kay Smith (“Pixie Lynn”), who worked at the Carousel, told the Dallas Police that she saw Ruby and Oswald together on several occasions. Other employees of Ruby who saw Oswald in the Carousel Club were William Crowe, Wally Weston, Dixie Lynn, and Kathy Kay. Robert Roy was Ruby's auto mechanic and said that Oswald used to drop off Ruby's car for repairs. Roy then drove Oswald back to Ruby's “burlesque house.” Ruby parked his car at Gibbs Auto Service and occasionally allowed friends and associates to borrow his car. Leon Woods was the manager of Gibbs and kept a “check-in and check-out” book that listed the names of people who took Ruby's car from the garage. Mr. Woods gave the book to the FBI following the assassination of President Kennedy, which the FBI later denied. During the last week of July (1963) Western Union employee Marshall Hicks delivered several telegrams addressed to “LEE Harvey Oswald” at the Rotary Apartments, 1501-1503 W. 7th St. in Dallas (while HARVEY and Marina were living in New Orleans). The FBI made no attempt to locate copies of these telegrams. DPD Detective H.M. Hart, of the Criminal Intelligence Division, received information from a Dallas Police confidential informant who knew Ruby. The informant said that in September (1963) Ruby rented an apartment at 223 S. Ewing for LEE Oswald. NOTE: Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen wrote in the New York Journal American (June 6, 1964): “It is known that 10 persons have signed sworn depositions to the Warren Commission that they knew Oswald and Ruby to have been acquainted.” At 20, "Little Lynn" (in private life, Karen Carlin) was Jack's youngest stripper. With long locks of artificially colored gray hair, Lynn had the body of swimsuit contestant—but, on stage, wore little other than a big smile, pink heels and a matching G-string. On November 24, 1963, Little Lynn told U.S. Secret Service agent Roger Warner that she, in his words, "was under the impression that Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, and other individuals unknown to her, were involved in a plot to assassinate President Kennedy and that she would be killed if she gave any information to authorities." Lynn reportedly died of a gunshot wound in Houston in 1964. During the first week of September, Louisiana gubernatorial candidate Clyde Johnson was residing temporarily at the Roosevelt Hotel in New Orleans. A man telephoned Johnson, introduced himself as Alton Bernard, and asked to meet with him. Johnson agreed and soon Bernard, accompanied by a young man named “Leon,” arrived at Johnson's hotel room. About 10 minutes later a third man arrived and was introduced as “Jack." Johnson watched as Mr. Bernard opened his briefcase and handed thick, brown envelopes to Jack, Leon and to himself. The envelope given to Johnson contained $5000 in cash, for his gubernatorial campaign. After the assassination of President Kennedy, Johnson identified “Leon” as Lee Harvey Oswald and “Jack” as Jack Ruby. Years later Johnson identified a photograph of Clay Shaw as the man who introduced himself as “Alton Bernard” at the Roosevelt Hotel. Gubernatorial candidate Clyde Johnson was a very credible witness who met Clay Shaw, Jack Ruby and LEE Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1963. Johnson was scheduled to testify at Clay Shaw's trial in New Orleans, but was badly beaten and unable to appear. A short while later he was murdered by a shotgun blast. In early September Antonio Veciana observed his long-time CIA contact “Maurice Bishop” talking with LEE Oswald at the Southland Building in Dallas, a few blocks from the Carousel Club. “Maurice Bishop” was later identified by HSCA investigator Gaeton Fonzi as David Atlee Phillips--a high level CIA agent (Mexico City Station) who became the CIA's “Chief of Western Hemisphere." Phillips, a native of Ft. Worth, was very close to Gordon McLendon, the owner of Dallas radio station KLIF. McLendon had been a Naval intelligence officer at Pearl Harbor in WWII and later founded the “Association of Former Intelligence (CIA) Officers” (click here to visit AFIO website). McLendon, who had known Phillips since junior high school in Ft. Worth, was also one of Jack Ruby's closest friends. [Above from HarveyandLee.net, the Jack Ruby page] And on and on. You should at least make an attempt to understand what you are trying to deny.

Since I posted a couple of days ago his new article entitled Setting Up Harvey Oswald as the Patsy, John has written additional material for it. For example, this was added yesterday.... November 20, 1963. Two days before the assassination, on Wednesday, a package was mailed from the post office in Irving, TX to "Lee Oswald, 2515 W. 5th St, Irving, TX." The package was not delivered on Thursday because of insufficient postage (which is an indication the package was "dropped" into a mail box instead of taken to a postal clerk to be weighed). A notice of attempted delivery card was left by the postman in the Paine's mailbox (notice of $.12 postage due), which was found by police the day after the assassination among HARVEY Oswald's possessions. So, HARVEY Oswald received the notice of $ .12 postage due, but not the package.Irving parcel post carrier Harold Reed heard from co-workers that the Irving Post Office was holding a package for Lee Oswald. This package was held at the post office for nearly two weeks until finally, on December 4, it was "discovered" by Irving Postmaster C.G. Twiley in the "Nixie Section." The Nixie Section was for letters and packages with unknown addresses. This package was a brown padded mailing envelope postmarked "Irving, Tex 5:30 AM," with no legible date. A gummed label, with the handwritten words "Lee Oswald, 601 W. Nassau Street, Dallas, TX" was affixed to the envelope directly above the handwritten words "Irving, TX" that were handwritten on the mailing envelope (see below). It appears as though the gummed label was affixed to the mailing envelope in order to hide the original handwritten name and address on the brown mailing envelope. No effort was ever made to remove the gummed label. When opened by postal authorities the package was found to contain a folded brown paper bag that was opened at both ends. The bag was very similar in appearance, color, and texture to the brown paper bag found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository that the Warren Commission said was used by Oswald to carry the Italian rifle into the building. The author believes that HARVEY Oswald's uncharacteristic visit to the Paine's on Thursday evening, instead of on Friday, may have been to pick up this package. If HARVEY Oswald had received this package and removed the brown paper bag, then he would have unwittingly placed his fingerprints on the paper bag. This bag could then have been placed on the 6th floor of the TSBD for police to find with the intact fingerprints of HARVEY Oswald. This package, however, was in the Irving post office on 11/22/63, and the long paper bag found on the 6th floor did not contain Oswald's fingerprints.

That's right, make all the excuses you can think of! Say another "Lee Harvey Oswald's" driver's license was returned to the Texas Department of Public Safety less than a week after the assassination of JFK. Just a coincidence, eh? Say Aletha Frair, Mrs. Lee Bozarth, and others at the driver's license office all couldn't recognize a Texas driver's license when they saw one, didn't know the name "Lee Harvey Oswald", or that other "Lee Harvey Oswald's" were getting their licenses returned to the the TDPS less than a week after the assassination. Just more coincidences. Pitiful. Just pitiful! And be sure to read even more evidence about how American-born LEE Oswald regularly drove a car here at the link below. Even from his barber who he visited every few weeks. Check it out.... The Man Who Could--and Couldn't--Drive

Sheesh.... I've shown this to you before.

Uh... Tracy... the answer can be found in this book called Harvey and Lee. It's written by a fellow named John Armstrong. Perhaps you can use some research skills and answer your own question.

The White Russians in Dallas knew Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald, and a number of them, George de Mohrenschildt for example, were amazed by his fluency in Russian. Harvey Oswald, as they believed, did not have a driver's license and did not drive. American born Lee Oswald did have a driver's license. That license was turned into the Department of Public Safety License Records Department in Austin soon after the assassination.

Tom, Sorry, I meant to respond to this earlier but forgot. At any rate…. I’ve thought a lot about why the plotters weren’t more careful setting up Lee HARVEY Oswald as the would-be assassin. For one thing, they knew he couldn’t be allowed to live and defend himself at a trial; that would have been unthinkable. But they were more clever than that. There is no discernible reason why Harvey moved back to New Orleans in May 1963 other than, as most researchers suspect, to begin the public sheep-dipping process painting the patsy-to-be as a Castro-loving commie. But I think there was a more important reason. In New Orleans, the CIA’s Clay Shaw handed off Oswald to the FBI’s Guy Banister, thereby linking him to both the CIA and the FBI. In his book, Gerald Ford wrote that Oswald became an FBI informant in 1962, but I think that date is incorrect. At any rate, as a paid informant of the FBI, it was clear that J. Edgar Hoover would be all to happy to sweep the whole "Oswald Project" under the carpet, which is exactly what happened. Some researchers have suggested that the setup was deliberately sloppy to send a message to other politicians and power-brokers. Something like, "Mess with the Cold War Money Train and we'll mess with you." I don't know if that is true or not. Your posts are always interesting, even if we don't agree about some of the specifics of the two Oswalds.

Sure, but in an article also on my website specifically about the driving issue, John makes it abundantly clear that Marina and Robert and Ruth and Michael Paine all clearly said Lee HARVEY Oswald couldn’t drive. Read it here: The Man Who Could—and Couldn’t—Drive The first paragraph in that article reads as follows, Marina Oswald, Robert Oswald and Ruth and Michael Paine all told the Warren Commission in no uncertain terms that Lee Harvey Oswald did not drive an automobile and did not have a driver's license. But more than thirty witnesses said Oswald did drive, including former employees of the Texas Department of Public Safety License Records Department who saw, touched and handled Oswald's driver's license after he was killed. This article explores these seeming contradictions.

Thank you, Jim. I remembered Gary Mack, but not Mr. Perry.

And here's John's write-up of THE PATSY... THE PATSY

Transcript of the Nassau Conference (1995) from the Armstrong Collection at Baylor University....

Oh, puh-leeze! Your endless misrepresentations of John’s work and my “comments” could fill a book. You have no idea what typos are in the print version of Harvey and Lee because you only have a pirated PDF version of the book. Although the three unofficial PDF versions of Harvey and Lee that I’ve seen were all prepared with great care, many OCR errors were introduced during the scanning process in all of them. The bound book was researched, written, and set by a man with no previous publishing experience. It is remarkable how few typos or other errors of any sort can be found in a book that is nearly half a million words long. There are thousands of footnotes and document citations in Harvey and Lee. All of them, as well as the full text, available to anyone without cost. John has even made all of the documents he used to write Harvey and Lee available to everyone without charge at the online John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University. The database is fully searchable without restrictions of any kind and is available here: John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University

In one short paragraph above, Mr. Parnell completely mangles John's write-up on the driver's license of "Lee Harvey Oswald". To see what John REALLY has written, click on the link below. It only takes a few minutes to read. THE MAN WHO COULD--AND COULDN'T--DRIVE

Think of it this way…. “On the trail of the designated patsy in the murder of JFK,” seems a bit more significant, eh? The designated patsy is important in two different ways. First, for the set up itself and second for the silencing of the patsy. Richard Sprague, chief counsel to the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations said that, if he had it to do over again, he would begin his investigation of the Kennedy assassination by probing “Oswald's ties to the Central Intelligence Agency.” Sen. Richard Schweiker said, "We do know Oswald had intelligence connections. Everywhere you look with him, there're fingerprints of intelligence." The silencing of “Lee Harvey Oswald” is even clearer. Jack Ruby called KLIF radio’s Gordon McLendon on the very day of the assassination, and said he could be reached that night at the KLIF station. And who was Gordon McLendon? He was a childhood friend of the CIA’s David Atlee Phillips. When Phillips founded the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), an organization for retired CIA agents, McClendon was one of the founding charter members. “Lee Harvey Oswald” is our most direct length to the plotters of JFK’s murder. What CIA accountant James Wilcott called the “Oswald Project” was a U.S. intelligence operation. And JFK was assassinated to provoke an invasion of Cuba.

Thanks to Michael Clark for refuting Mr. Walton's usual no-nothing venom so handily, but since I spent twenty minutes composing my own rebuttal, I guess I'll just pile on. Mr. Walton appears incapable of understanding that the question here is not whether, in Mr. Walton’s opinion, it is possible to desecrate a grave in Arlington National Cemetery. The question is whether David Atlee Phillips said that he did such a desecration. Since Mr. Walton cannot do the simple research required to examine this claim, I’ll do it for him. Retired Cuban State Security official General Fabian Escalante Font was among the Cubans who attended a well known 1995 seminar at the Nassau Beach Hotel between JFK researchers and various representatives of Cuba. Among the researchers giving papers at the seminar were Wayne Smith, Cyril Wecht, Gaeton Fonzi, Gordon Winslow, John Newman, James Lesar, Fabian Escalante Font, Arturo Rodriguez, William Turner and Eric Hamburg. The page reproduced below is part of a partially redacted transcript of a conversation Escalante participated in at the conference. In the bottom paragraph of this page, Escalante says, just as John wrote in this article, that in 1972 an undercover Cuban intelligence agent met with a man who identified himself as "Harold Benson." After a few drinks the subject of President Kennedy's assassination came up. Benson told the agent that he had visited the slain President's grave and had "peed" on it. The Cuban agent later identified a photograph of David Atlee Phlllips as "Harold Benson."

That’s a good point, Michael. There is quite a bit of information in John’s book about Morales, but not in this new article. I’ll try to remember to ask him about that, though I suspect he’ll say that Morales was primarily a tool of Phillips and therefore more of a mechanic than a plotter. Thanks for the kind words about the new essay.

A brand new article by John Armstrong explains how Harvey Oswald was set up as the designated patsy for the assassination of JFK. The setup began in earnest in May 1963 when Harvey was instructed to move from Dallas to New Orleans while Lee remained in Dallas. It continued through November 20, 1963, the dates of both the Ralph Leon Yates and Redbird Airport incidents, as well as through November 22, 1963 and beyond. Instead of allowing the H&L critics to tell you what’s in this article and why it is all wrong, why not take a look for yourself? Here’s the link.... Setting up Harvey Oswald as the "Patsy"