Jim Hargrove

Mr. Parnell tries to separate a CI/SIG member from her creation of 201 files by talking about 201 files in general. That is just an attempt to muddy the waters. It is clear that Ann Egerter, the woman who opened the 201 file on “Lee Henry Oswald,” worked in J.J. Angleton’s CI/SIG department. That department, she said, “was charged with the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected in one way or another.” She clearly suggested there was no other reason for anyone in CI/SIG to open a 201 file.

The additional quotes Mr. Parnell offers from Ms. Egerter are her descriptions of 201 files in general. Many 201 files are opened for many different reasons in general. But 201 files opened in CI/SIG are, as she said, for investigating Agency employees. Read her words carefully.

Really, Mr. Parnell? Why then are we presenting sworn testimony from CIA personnel while you are simply making excuses and offering irrelevant explanations? Who is really "spreading misinformation?" Your charge is not only wrong, it is probably a violation of forum rules.

Sandy answered just before I logged on. Is Mr. Parnell deliberately missing the point? The woman who opened the 201 file on “Lee Henry Oswald” worked in J.J. Angleton’s CI/SIG department which, she said, “was charged with the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected in one way or another.” She clearly suggested there was no other reason for CI/SIG to open a 201 file. This isn’t that complicated, Tracy. She worked in CI/SIG. She created the 201 file. You know better?

Thanks for all the generalities, opinions, and platitudes, Mr. Trejo. Now can we discuss the facts? Here's one .... CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one." What is your explanation for this?

Really? 21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one." 21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Here are my responses to Paul Trejo’s attempted rebuttal of my recent post showing that the Oswald Project was run by the CIA. Mr. Trejo failed to respond to the most recent of my facts. Here is what he ignored…. 20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one." Now, on to the statements Mr. Trejo did make. His comments in black; my responses in red. 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott only said that some CIA agent "told him" that he was making payments to an encrypted account for the Oswald Project. Sheer hearsay and rumor; more likely, mocking Wilcott to his face. Mr. Wilcott said otherwise: Mr. Preyer. That was shop talk, speculation, I gather; people were saying that the CIA is somehow connected with it. Mr. Wilcott. Well, I believed it to be a little more than speculation, that the source at least of this kind of talk was, I believe, to be something more serious than speculation. Mr. Preyer. It was your conclusion from that talk that some of these people might have knowledge that he was a CIA agent rather than that they were speculating about it? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Preyer. And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Preyer. He stated that as a fact and not that he believed it was drawn out for Oswald or it could have been or something like that? Mr. Wilcott. It was stated as a fact -- Oswald or the Oswald project. 2. Even if Antonio Veciana did see DAP and LHO together in the summer of 1963 in Dallas, it was most likely in the context of killing Fidel Castro (DAP's and Guy Banister's obsession) and not JFK. (Jim Garrison already proved LHO worked with Guy Banister). You have no idea what was said at the meeting, but soon after it, the framing of the “Oswald” killed by Jack Ruby began in earnest in and around Dallas. The Phillips/Oswald meeting is further proof that Oswald was an agent regardless of what was said! 3. It's nonsense to imagine that no "CIA operations officer in the USSR met a Russian girl and eventually married,” so that you have to read LHO into that sentence. Though former CIA agent Victor Marchetti confirmed that the CIA did have a “fake defector” program in the 1950s, that in-itself is no proof that LHO was part of it. LHO could still have acted on his own. I did not say what you put in quotes above, but the fact that there was a CIA “fake defector” program in the 1950s is hardly evidence that Harvey Oswald wasn’t part of it. It clearly suggests that he WAS part of it. 4. The fact that Robert Webster and LHO "fake defected" a few months apart in 1959, claiming "sensitive" information, that is easily explained by coincidence. What other reason would a young man give? Marchetti said there were scores of such boys in the program, and the US State Department said there were scores of actual defectors during that time frame. The fact that these two guys met Marina Prusakova in Minsk near the same time, also makes sense -- they were both there at the same time, and the USSR sent all "questionable defectors" to Minsk for observation. As for Marina Prusakova, she hated the USSR and would do anything to move to the USA. So, she got around. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. You call this a coincidence? Isn’t it another amazing coincidence that CIA officer David Atlee Phillips was so impressed by LHO that he decided to risk an open air meeting with him in Dallas in 1963. 5. Although Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough agreed that LHO was associated with the CIA, you could add hundreds of thousands of other names of people who *also* share the same *opinion* without any final proof. These guys had no proof, either. That’s your opinion. The opinions of Sprague, Schweiker, Norton and Newbrough are worth more than yours or mine because they were far closer to the actual events being discussed here. 6. Again -- it is absurd to imagine that no CIA "contact" ever worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. People get married under all sorts of conditions, and then they have babies. Minsk was a Soviet observation town for "questionable defectors." There were far too many "fake defectors" and "real defectors" and "double agent defectors" in the USSR in those days to justify a claim that LHO was that "contact." Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA “contact” who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. Are you suggesting there was a different CIA “contact” who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child? Name him please! 7. It is nonsense that Kenneth Porter fell in love with young, beautiful Marina Oswald in 1964, and left his family to marry her -- for the sole purpose of monitoring Marina for the CIA! Actually, men leave their wives for younger women all the time. Sure, but Mr. Porter was an employee of Collins Radio…. Collins Radio was located at 1200 North Alma Road in Richardson, Texas and held major communications contracts for the military and CIA, including the installation of communications towers in Vietnam. On November 1, 1963 the New York Times published a photo of a ship named the "Rex"and a story involving commandos that were sent ashore from the ship in Cuba on October 22-23, 1963. The Commandos were captured on a Cuban beach with high-powered sniper rifles and admitted they had been trained by the CIA to kill Cuban leaders. The "Rex" was leased to Collins Radio of Richardson, Texas. (Harvey and Lee, pp. 872-873.) One of this years new releases indicated an ongoing relationship between Collins Radio employees and the CIA in the 1970s as well. 8. George Joannides was a CIA agent, so naturally he lied about his CIA cases, as well as the CIA cases of other CIA officers. It's what CIA agents are paid to do. Didn't you know? In 1978, for the HSCA, the President's order of secrecy in the JFK Records was still in force. So, nothing the HSCA could say or do would release those FBI and CIA secrets. PERIOD. The fact remains that the CIA put a fellow in charge of lying to the HSCA who had specialized knowledge—that he kept to himself—about “Lee Harvey Oswald.” The fact that CIA agents are paid to lie for their governments is irrelevant. CIA personnel deliberately lied to a House committee about their relationships to a man accused of assassinating JFK. I thought the CIA was supposed to work for our country! 9. The CIA often gave medals to CIA agents, like Joannides, who kept CIA secrets under pressure. Apparently the Agency rewards its employees who lie to Congress about their relationship with alleged presidential assassins. Good Works, eh? 10. The FBI and the CIA do not coordinate actions, but compete with each other. The FBI has the duty of Domestic crime. The CIA has the duty of International crime. The clash occurs when criminals travel inside and outside of the USA. Then who owns the criminal's file? To this very day the FBI and CIA cannot agree. The case of Lee Harvey Oswald was an FBI matter from June, 1962, until November, 1963. The CIA (as carefully proved by Bill Simpich) was clueless about the Mexico City telephone impersonation of LHO. This is because the JFK plot was Domestic. The FBI knew. We should first scour the released FBI Records, and leave the CIA Records as secondary. It seems to me that most CTers are doing the opposite. The fact remains that the FBI and the CIA—at exactly the same time just weeks before the assassination—made clear efforts to diminish Federal monitoring of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” And you, apparently, find nothing suspicious about this. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a high-school dropout's idea (or some biased CTers idea) of a pretty good intelligence report. Really? Let’s look at the first few paragraphs of that lengthy document…. The lives of Russian workers is governed, first and foremost, by the "collective," the smallest unit of authority in any given factory, plant, or enterprise. Sectional and shop cells form a highly organized and well supported political organization. These shop committees are in turn governed by the shop and section party chiefs who are directed by the factory or plant party secretary. This post carries officially the same amount of authority as the production director or president of the plant, but in reality it is the controlling organ of all activities at any industrial enterprise, whether political, industrial, or otherwise personal relations. The party secretary is responsible for political indoctrination of the workers, the discipline of members of the Communist party working at the plant, and the general conduct and appearance of all members. The Minsk Radio and Television plant is known throughout the Union as a major producer of electronics parts and sets. In this vast enterprise created in the early 50's, the party secretary is a 6'4" man in his early 40's -- has a long history of service to the party. He controls the activities of the 1,000 communist party members here and otherwise supervises the activities of the other 5,000 people employed at this major enterprise in Minsk, the capital of the 3rd ranking Republic Belorussia. This factory manufactures 87,000 large and powerful radio and 60,000 television sets in various sizes and ranges, excluding pocket radios, which are not mass produced anywhere in the U.S.S.R. It is this plant which manufactured several console model combination radiophonograph television sets which were shown as mass produced items of commerce before several hundreds of thousands of Americans at the Soviet Exposition in New York in 1959. After the Exhibition these sets were duly shipped back to Minsk and are now stored in a special storage room on the first floor of the Administrative Building -- at this factory, ready for the next international Exhibit. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots, because Oswald foolishly used the word, "microdots" in his address book. Ask yourself -- what competent US Agent uses the secret word, "microdots" in his personal address book? Answer: NONE. So, the use of microdots shows that you are NOT a spy? Sheesh. Why were some individual letters cut out of some of Oswald’s so-called writings. To remove microdots, perhaps? 13. Oswald owned no Minox spy camera -- that was the property of the wealthy, young Michael Paine, who could afford three cars, two domiciles as well as such expensive toys. Now you think, once again, the Paines came to the rescue? A few months ago attempting to rebut my list, you wrote this: 11. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera; like many Private Detectives and other spy wannabes. The FBI mucked with all JFK evidence, starting on 11/22/1963, because of J. Edgar Hoover's order that everything must fit a "Lone Nut" scenario. This was for National Security purposes. Nobody denies that anymore. Why do you keep changing your story? 14. The official WC story of the radar operator near U-2 planes defecting to Russia and returning home without a penalty smells like a spy story to a Hollywood hopeful. The US State Department explained it realistically: Oswald never defected -- he never surrendered his US Passport. He never applied for Russian citizenship. He never joined the Communist Party in Russia. He was 19 years old when he was first admitted into Russia. He was an intellectually bright and emotionally retarded young man, having fun. His pals in Russia were the 'naughty' kids, including Marina Prusakova, who hated the USSR, and couldn't wait to get to the USA. LHO laughed all the way through the fun and games. (Actually, he never had it so good. When he arrived back in the USA, he fell into the depths of minimum-wage poverty. Marina was shocked, because LHO was relatively well-to-do in Russia.) Isn’t it amazing then that both Oswald and Robert Webster tried to defect on a Saturday, when their “defections” couldn’t be “processed!” At the height of the Cold War, an American soldier who had allegedly worked in a radar installation near top-secret U-2 flights, who said at the American embassy in Moscow he would tell the Soviets everything he knew, was, according to the CIA, never even interviewed by the CIA? You’re kidding, right? The minute Harvey Oswald told Richard Snyder that he intended to disclose military secrets to the Soviets, he was violating U.S. law. He should have been detained at the embassy and returned to the U.S. for trial. But he wasn’t because he was a spy and his speech was an act to fool the Soviets who had the U.S. embassy in Moscow bugged. 15. CIA double agent Richard Case Nagell knew about some plot to assassinate some world leader -- it could have been Fidel Castro. Nagell warned LHO that if he succeeded in getting a Visa to Cuba as he was seeking -- then Nagell would have to shoot LHO dead, just in order to keep his own cover as a double-agent. LHO sat in his kitchen and wept about that. He worried about the Mexico City trip, and instead tried to make a plan to hijack some airplane or other to Cuba. The CIA didn't ignore anything Nagel said. That’s not what Nagel said. He said that BOTH the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings. 16. LHO did save all his US Marine's money to splurge on a European holiday. His Marine buddies testified that he rarely went off the El Toro base. He was tight with money. He gave his ailing mother $100 and then went to Europe to splurge for the first time in his life. When he was nearly out of money, he asked his mother to send him more, so he could apply to Albert Schweitzer college -- and he did apply and sent the money -- but he changed his mind and "fake defected" to the USSR instead. He was bright -- but not bright enough. He didn't have the Right Stuff. Oh, please. Harvey Oswald had the right stuff to complete successfully a two and a half year assignment in the Soviet Union even though the Russians suspected he was a spy. He had to fake a suicide attempt in order to stay in country. He married a Russian woman whose family had Russian intel connections. At the start of his assignment he stayed at first class hotels on the way to Moscow and during his first days in Moscow. He also hired expensive private tourist guides at the very beginning of his stay. James Bond couldn’t have done it a whole lot better. 17. When LHO returned to the USA, it was the FBI who debriefed him, because he was now a US Domestic problem. Actually, however, the CIA did admit that they considered interviewing Oswald. But in the long run they decided not to. (Particularly after the Walker shooting.) The CIA did everything it’s power to distance itself from Oswald because Oswald was a CIA employee. They “considered” debriefing LHO? LOL! 18. The US State Department investigated LHO very carefully. They worked with LHO to ensure that he never surrendered his passport. He was 19 years old, for goodness sake! The US State Department had seen *many* cases like this by 1959. Many of the boys changed their minds after only a few months. None lasted much more than two years. They would wait it out. When LHO changed his mind in about two years, the US State Department reached out to help him, and lent him money. You are mistaken, Jim, about LHO getting an OK to travel to Cuba. That never happened. The so-called ex-Marine traitor who left the Marine corps under false circumstances and “defected” to Russia to give away U.S. military secrets was granted a new passport in 1963 allowing travel to communist nations. That DID happen. 19. It wasn't just Allen Dulles and Earl Warren who wanted the JFK Truth hidden for 75 years -- it was also FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ as well as a dozen other powerful people in Washington DC. National Security was the reason they cited -- and history will show they told the truth. Which is to say, they told us the Truth about why they had to withhold the Truth for so long: "National Security.” Harvey Oswald’s ties to both the FBI and the CIA made G-men, especially J. Edgar Hoover, all too happy to enter full scale cover-up mode. Oswald had demonstrated that he would follow even difficult orders, critical in the days and hours before and immediately after the assassination. (He absolutely had to be in the right places at the right times to become a successful patsy. And a patsy was absolutely critical for the plot to succeed. Without one, the search for the plotters would have been relentless.) 20. JFK and the CIA were not at war with each other. Despite angry feelings on both sides, as shown in the NY Times, and even after JFK shouted that he wanted to rip up the CIA to pieces and toss them to the wind -- those words were said in anger over the Bay of Pigs. Anybody would be angry. But afterwards, JFK actually *increased* the funding for the CIA. Oh yeah? President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Thanks for the doc #, Jim. Couldn't find it on MFF (the copy I found there still had redactions) but I should be able to dig it up at the Archives.

Fascinating about Curry and Cabell, Jim. Do you have a link to Wilcott's unredacted testimony? So far, I haven't been able to find it.

Fascinating.... Thanks to Jim Di for this. Jim concludes that "Earle Cabell was CIA." Let us not forget that Earle Cabell was mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63. Dallas Deputy Sheriff Bill Corson thought Cabell pressured Jesse Curry to order the transfer of Harvey Oswald that led to his shooting by Ruby.

Thanks.... I'm considering it now.... Here's my revised list of 21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA. Fact #20 is Ann Egerter's testimony. Not sure where to put it on my website. That site is dedicated to John Armstrong's research.... 21 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and the FBI ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one." 21. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

That proof involves Ann Egerter’s HSCA testimony discussing the purpose of her boss J.J. Angleton’s Special Investigations Group (SIG). She said, “We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected one way or another.” SIG was clearly a counterintelligence unit. Since CI/SIG had opened a 201 file on LHO in December 1960, her clear indication was that Oswald was employed by the Agency. Others suggest some wriggle room here, claiming that a 201 file might be opened on an individual merely being “used” by the Agency. Personally, I’m tired of all those fine distinctions CIA apologists continually use.

Thanks for remembering, Sandy! 20 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA "contact" who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and probably monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, and he said that the CIA and FBI ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

Indeed it has. Here’s a version of the doc with a NARA file date in Sept. 1995. This is yet another largely ignored doc suggestion Jack Ruby had a far deeper role in the assassination than we previously believed. For example, a direct line of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to Ruby the night of 11/22/63 can be seen using Gordon McLendon as the cutout. KLIF radio founder Gordon McLendon was a former Naval Intelligence officer who was a close friend and confidant of CIA officer David Atlee Phillips. Jack Ruby called McLendon’s unlisted phone number the day of the assassination. Ruby was overheard that very afternoon saying he could be reached at KLIF, and he continued writing letters to McLendon even from prison. In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). The two men had known one another since childhood. And it was Phillips who was spotted by Antonio Veciana talking to LEE Oswald at the Southland building in Dallas in the summer of 1963. And so we are starring at a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby.

Those two torn-in-half dollar bills are fascinating. From the Dallas Police Department online archive on “Oswald” … On our website, John wrote this: “After his arrest, the police found two halves of two different dollar bills in his wallet. This was a method of clandestine contact. Wherever and whenever Oswald met his contact, this person would provide confirmation of his identity with the other half of these dollar bills. Curiously, neither of these items were listed on the police inventory of 11/23/63, the joint FBI/DPD inventory of 11/26/63 (Oswald's so-called possessions), nor were they photographed. At the National Archives, in Adelphi, MD, I inspected and handled each item of inventory listed on the joint FBI/DPD inventory of 11/26/63. These items were not among the inventory.” Years ago, I did an Internet search of the two serial numbers. One of them came up, if memory serves, in what sounded like a major counterfeiting case from years ago. It’s a weird story, without any supporting evidence whatsoever, but why would DPD make up this document?

Not everything... only the "evidence" that incriminates "Lee Harvey Oswald" or turns his biography into the fairy tale the MSM endlessly feeds us. There is plenty of evidence at the National Archives pointing to "Lee Harvey Oswald's" guilt. If you believe the Magic Bullet and the Magic Money Order are genuine, for example, you should join Mr. Parnell defending the Warren Commission findings. Do you really think we're hearing the truth about "Oswald" is Mexico City from the nightly news? To understand what REALLY happened 11/22/63, we have to pay special attention to the evidence the FBI and the WC neglected to suppress or alter. Hoover's FBI was preparing a written report indicating "Oswald" killed JFK without help from others within 24 hours of the assassination, before even considering whether other government officials were targets. Major U.S. news institutions decided to go along with the FBI's bs., as this recently released document attests: I have shown many times how the FBI altered statements by Dealey Plaza witnesses who saw evidence of gunmen outside the Book Depository. I have shown how the WC altered the testimony of James Cadigan, who inadvertently admitted that the so-called possessions of "Lee Harvey Oswald" had been secretly sent to FBI headquarters the very night of the assassination, altered, and secretly returned to Dallas police before being publicly sent back to Washington. During these secret transfers, an expensive Minox "spy" camera famously became a much less expensive Minox light meter, and many other documents were altered and invented. For much more on this, see: Manipulated, Fabricated, and Disappearing Evidence

I don't remember, and I'm not going to re-read that entire thread to find out. What is clear, though, is that the minute I took the time to talk to John about the images, I understood what had happened. Jack White had nothing to do with it, as I clearly stated later in the thread. Instead of attacking a deceased researcher, why don't you guys explain why such a terrible picture would be posted in the home town newspaper of "Lee Harvey Oswald." It isn't normal, no matter what you find scouring the net.

And Mr. Parker was dead wrong, again. Jack White had nothing to do with the image. As I explained later in the thread, John Armstrong purchased the "re-transmitted" Associated Press/Wide World Photos image of LEE Oswald and pasted it over the washed out image in the Fort Worth newspaper to show people how the revised photo would look. This is the Fort Worth Star-Telegram image as it originally appeared in the newspaper. And here is the "re-transmitted" AP/WWP version: Here is the image that John prepared from the two images above. Feel free to scour the internet and search for photos that don't look like their subjects, but it simply isn't normal to post a mug shot of someone as washed out and unrecognizable as that image posted in the 1959 Fort Worth newspaper. It effectively obscured the identity of the man who went to Russia as a spy. By all means, tell us that ANY of these images look like "Lee Harvey Oswald."

DJ and Chris, John has a good copy of the ‘59 Star-Telegraph article, which has what must be a deliberately washed out version of the photo to obscure LEE Oswald’s image. The photo was supplied by Wide World Photos, now owned by Associated Press. You can tell that the window was never in the ‘59 FW newspaper photo by comparing it to the AP/Wide World Photos file copy, which is much clearer but also has the window removed. In other words, the retouching was done prior to the original publication, and not in Fort Worth. I’ll bet some “elite media asset” got Wide World to wire the washed out version of of Hans Wilkins’ photo to the Star-Telegraph. The file copy John purchased includes this on the typed label next to the altered image: “This is a retransmission of FWI of Nov. 1 to provide better copy.” I'd also bet that it was ever really retransmitted. The 1962 newspaper image Chris Davidson linked above is interesting because it is obviously the same photo—much more clearly reproduced—and without the background masking. Perhaps with the Russian assignment over, American intel and its media assets no longer worried as much about the identification of these guys.

Exactly! The anti-H&L folks can grasp at all the straws they can conjure, but this one has always been a slam dunk. No data from PS 44 is shown in the Beauregard file on “Lee Harvey Oswald.” The only mention of PS 44 in the Beauregard file is in a record that indicates Oswald previously attended “PS #44-Byron Junior High" in New York City, which does not exist. With PS 44’s in four or five different boroughs of NYC, how would Beauregard have requested course information from an incorrectly identified school? And if somehow they did get information about Oswald's course work and attendance in NYC from a school they couldn't identify, why was Oswald in New Orleans given a passing grade in an entirely different course from the NYC courses he supposedly took, and passed, that very semester? The answer is simple: the records show two different Oswalds. "Oswald's" passing grades in the first semester at Beauregard had nothing to do with New York City. And it all fits the continuing pattern of two Oswalds. The very next semester, one Oswald attends Beauregard School in New Orleans and the other Oswald attends Stripling School in Fort Worth, Texas, as discussed by all those witnesses the anti-H&L folks say are lying!

DJ, I don't see the window in the Forth Worth newspaper photo. Do you?

Yep. Interesting thread. I didn't notice it for quite a while, and when I did, the rest is history. I'm quite sure that his bogus claim that my link to the following image contained a virus is what got Mr. Parker banned from this forum. He didn't want anyone to see the AP/Wide World Photos file copy of "Frankenstein Oswald" and so, instead, we didn't see Mr. Parker any more. Still waiting for someone to explain why American newspapers hid the face of "Lee Harvey Oswald" in 1959.

What kind of "photographic process" do you call this, Mr. Parnell?

What a lame excuse! Although the image is deliberately washed out, you can see "Oswald's" huge nose in the 1959 newspaper reproduction. No doubt Mr. Mack’s secret explanation involved a time machine, eh? Your reply is ridiculous!

Still waiting for an H&L critic to explain why the Fort Worth Star Telegram published such an unidentifiable picture of “Lee Harvey Oswald” at the very time “Oswald” began his spying assignment in the Soviet Union. Still waiting for an H&L critic to explain why the Associate Press/Wide World Photos file copy of this picture has such a laughably modified version of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” The rather obvious reason for this chicanery is that sponsors of the Oswald Project didn’t dare expose the people of Fort Worth to a good photograph of Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald, because some of them might have known American-born Lee Oswald and recognized the differences. C’mon, boys, let’s hear your counter explanations! Do we need to wait for more talented H&L critics to get an explanation that passes the giggle test? Why was a false nose and chin put on "Lee Harvey Oswald's" picture way back in 1959?