W. Tracy Parnell

If you look at my articles it will be clear that I have read The Last Investigation as I criticize Fonzi's methods and conclusions. I have no problem with Morley's work to release the files. What I have a problem with is his uncritical acceptance of Veciana's story. As far as Joannides, we will see what is in the files and if it supports Morley's suspicions or not.

Morley is again promoting the Antonio Veciana story, this time with a Newsweek article: http://jfkfacts.org/cias-secrets-jfk-che-castro-revealed-new-book-former-operative/ But Morley is unaware of or continues to ignore the contrary evidence presented at my blog: http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-maurice-bishop-story.html

A report on Antonio Veciana's appearance at the AARC conference. The highlight was Veciana's new claim that David Atlee Phillips imagined and organized the entire Mexico City scenario. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/veciana-and-aarc-conference.html

Part 2 of my series continues a skeptical look at the Veciana allegations as promoted by Gaeton Fonzi. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/gaeton-fonzi-and-veciana-allegations.html I also include several documents (scroll to bottom of page) that are unavailable at Mary Ferrell including: Interview of Ross Crozier Interview of Colonel Sam Kail Outside Contact Report-Antonio Veciana 8-30-78 Outside Contact Report-Jose Veciana Fonzi memos to Dave Marston Miscellaneous documents on Veciana from the State department and DOD Fonzi-Veciana interview of May 10, 1976 Memo from Fonzi to Troy Gustavson

He was either a false defector or was so incompetent that the information he provided was basically worthless.

The point is not that I want people to believe the government. The point is that Armstrong uses the WC, the FBI, the HSCA and other government sources extensively in his book so he must attach some validity to government sources. Anyone van download the PDF of the book from the Internet and search his sources if you don't believe me. Armstrong is only suspicious of the government evidence that does not support his case and accepts that which he thinks does support him.

But in order to see Jim's "simple truth" you have to ignore many other scientific truths. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-truth-about-harvey-lee.html Jim's response to my article will be that you can't trust the HSCA. But Jim and Armstrong use the HSCA and the FBI and anyone else when it suits their purpose to do so. And Hartogs overstated his case before the WC and was called out by Wesley Liebeler, so his original report represents the truth not a book written later that was obviously embellished for sales purposes.

Others thought the sketch looked like someone else or they didn't mention Phillips. It's subjective.

Yes, please do read the HSCA volume X report on Veciana by Fonzi. And then read the original interview notes I have made available to see how the story morphed: http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/gaeton-fonzi-and-veciana-allegations.html

The "implication" is simply that he spoke Russian with an accent. Marina never implied that LHO was a native speaker of the language. As for Webster, the only "evidence" that Marina met him at all is Dick Russell's interview of Webster when he was in a nursing home. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall during that conversation to see how the questions were presented and answered, but if Webster said that, he was wrong. There is no evidence Marina spoke English although she may have understood what others were saying to an extent by the time she arrived in the US.

+1

And this was such a fun thread for a while..

Jim's own source sinks his ship here. LHO had to work on Russian to keep up with the language. He did this by reading Russian literature and conversing with Marina who he discouraged from learning English. Would a "native" Russian speaker need to do this?

Any perceived deceptiveness on LHO's part can be explained by the fact that he correctly assumed the KGB was surveilling him and was distrustful of authority figures.

Errol Flynn on the right.

Jim Hargrove has several problems trying to convince people that "Harvey" was a Hungarian-born individual who spoke perfect Russian from the start of his Soviet adventure. 1. The entire premise is based on an anonymous phone call to Mrs. Jack Tippit. There is not a bit of other evidence for this idea. https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t87-the-mrs-jack-d-tippit-phone-call 2. The evidence shows that the one and only LHO could not speak Russian well at all when he first arrived. Check out statements by Rima his Intourist guide and others. 3. Jim must exaggerate the statements of the Russian community members and others to make his case. While they thought LHO spoke very well nobody thought he was a "native" speaker. Now Jim will probably explain some of this by saying that “Harvey” was acting when he first arrived in Russia and not revealing his true ability. Of course, Armstrong believes that “Harvey” spoke no Russian in the Soviet Union at all, or did at the time his book was published. The following article shows otherwise: http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/03/lho-spoke-no-russian-in-russia.html So, the H&L gang have a high bar to clear without any evidence to work with. The available evidence shows that LHO spoke Russian poorly on his arrival in the Soviet Union and after nearly three years of conversing daily with his wife and others spoke fluently.

Thanks for the info. I see from other forums too that Alpha 66 was mentioned, so I guess my attention did lapse.

Pat, I missed the part about Baer tying LHO to Alpha 66. Now admittedly, my mind wandered a little because I agree that this was a bad program. But is the Alpha 66 stuff in a future episode or did I miss it?

A podcast by JFK Facts Editor Jefferson Morley got me thinking about the uncritical treatment the conspiracy community has given the allegations of former Alpha 66 member Antonio Veciana through the years. Several statements made by Morley in that podcast are indicative of the problem. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/another-slobbering-love-affair.html

The problem with this theory is that Bishop was occasionally at the training sessions with Melton. So, according to Veciana they were two separate individuals.

Thanks Larry for the reply. Morley has posted the following document as "proof" of Veciana's CIA involvement. Since you have more expertise than myself with CIA documents I wonder if you would take a stab at interpreting it. http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=66984#relPageId=2

Larry, In the original story as told by Fonzi in HSCA volume X and which is at least partly confirmed by the 1976 interview notes (now available at my site) in 1960 in Havana, Veciana entered a three week program by a "Mr. Melton" that involved "some training in the use of explosives and sabotage techniques, [but] most of the program consisted of lessons in propaganda and psychological warfare." In the story that Veciana is now telling, he includes the training by Melton but adds a polygraph test and questioning after being given a pill that acted as a sort of truth serum. It is unclear to me why he would not have mentioned any of this previously if it were true. As you point out, the polygraph is something that they would have done so no mention of that until now is curious. For those interested in the subject, watch for the next part of my series in which I will continue a skeptical look at the story as presented by Fonzi. I will also be releasing more documents from the National Archives pertaining to the Veciana story. My series on Veciana so far: http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/gaeton-fonzi-and-veciana-allegations.html http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/trained-to-kill.html http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/wynne-johnson.html

But wouldn't the HSCA and Fonzi have been interested in these details? And he mentioned training by Melton just not with these details. And "Smith" was never mentioned before this at all.

There is "new information" for sure. Veciana’s tale now includes suicide pills, disappearing ink, lie detector tests, truth serum and other clichés that are notably absent from earlier versions of the story. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/trained-to-kill.html

I have released Fonzi's original notes from the Veciana interviews so everyone can compare the story as it was originally told with that being presented in Veciana's and Fonzi's books (scroll to bottom of page for links). You will find some aspects of the story are essentially similar, but some are very different. http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/04/gaeton-fonzi-and-veciana-allegations.html