5 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Add her, as well:

Patricia Ann Donaldson- another bang...bang-bang witness 11/22/63 - YouTube

 

She was just feet from JFK's limo.

In his ARRB testimony Commander Humes described the casket in which JFK's body was brought into the morgue.

He stated it was a wooden casket with long metal handles. A fine casket.

He stated he and Dr. Boswell removed JFK's body from this, with a caveat that maybe some medical tech corpsman also may have assisted.

So, Humes testimony doesn't rule out and even suggests the possibility that Bethesda medical tech Paul O'Conner was the corpsman who helped lift JFK's body out of the casket. And/or maybe it was medical tech James Jenkins who helped lift JFK's body out of the delivered casket? O'Conner and Jenkins testified they both lifted the body.

Either way...who do you believe and why regarding the casket JFK's body was lifted out of in the preparation room?

Hume's fine wooden casket with long metal handles? Or, O'Conner's plain one?

It seems to me that if JFK's body was unloaded out of the back of an ambulance and onto a loading dock and carried into a distant room, that there must have been at least a dozen or more personnel present and needed for all this movement, especially if the casket was the huge, ornate 400+ pound bronze one?

Wasn't Dennis David directly involved in unloading the arriving casket?

With David and at least a dozen other casket moving helpers, you would have a good sized number of eyewitnesses who could verify the type of coffin imo.

Anyone ever try to trackdown more than one or two of these eyewitnesses?

JFK assassination: shots too fast for one man (compilation) - YouTube

Kinney, Lawson, Bowers, Jean Hill, Moorman

Vince, it's right there on video tape. Same time frame description to a tee.

Wonder how many others in Dealey Plaza that day heard the same last two "bang-bang" shots almost on top of each other?

9 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

This is the real world of professionals.  And it points out that when you come to the JFK case you are not in the real world: you are in the Bermuda Triangle.

C. Barnard...love your post above as well.

On 2/5/2021 at 10:18 PM, Vince Palamara said:

The looks on Hill's and Landis' faces are priceless: "Ummm-cut! Win, redo that: there's no way Oswald could have fired the rifle THAT fast!!!"

Secret Service agent Winston Lawson- too fast of a shooting sequence - YouTube

 

 

Vince, Lawson's re-creation of the time interval between the first and last two shots by patting his hands on his thigh and saying the words "bang ... bang-bang", with only a very short pause between the last two bangs, is the same exact 3 shot time frame re-creation made by countless other ear witnesses in or near Dealey Plaza that day.

We've all seen or heard these identical shot time frame re-creations via so many videos and even in testimony transcripts.

I could come up with several as I am sure others here could too.

First that comes to mind is Lee Bower's "bang ... bang-bang" knuckle tapping re-creation in Mark Lane's "Rush To Judgement" documentary.

It is the exact same time lapse recollection as Lawson's.

Bang ... 3 to 4 second pause, then Bang - 1 second pause - then Bang!

Because dozens of other Dealey Plaza location proven ear witnesses repeated this same 3 shot time sequence almost word for word, their cumulative " Bang ... Bang Bang" timing recollections must bear considerable and valid credibility weight imo.

And for those who claim the last two shot sounds sounding so close together was merely the effect of an echo ... why is it that no one recalls any echo sound at all from the first shot, which allegedly came from the same exact firing location as the last two?

For the 5 thousandth time I just now again reviewed the normal speed Zapruder film after seeing this Lawson video.

I always see something curiously anomalous relative to Lawson's and other's last two shot close together time sequence recollection.

Please check this out yourself and see if you see it too.

I count on my fingers the seconds between JFK being hit the first time ( the second shot) when he is hidden from view behind the Stemmons Freeway sign...to when he is hit in the head with the third and last shot.

Am I wrong in counting a good 4 and maybe even 5 seconds between these two shots as far as the Z film shows?

With the 2nd shot, JFK is hit, straightens up with fists lifting to his neck, in pained dispair looks left toward Jackie, Jackie first looks at Connally acting in pain while stretching out her arm and hand to grab JFK, she then pulls him close to her and then bends her head down close to his ... and then BOOM ... JFK's skull explodes.

I count a good 4 seconds + for that entire sequence ( The 2nd shot/ first JFK hit to the third head shot hit ) to take place! 

I am sure the experts have timed this sequence as well. Using the Zapruder camera film individual frame timing and other methods. Is it different than my simple layman timing finding? I don't know.

But here is the catch regards all the "Bam-Bam" last two shot timing recollections.

How many seconds between Lawson's last two shots thigh tap recollection?

How many seconds between Lee Bower's table knuckle tap recollection?

And all the other quick time lapse ones between those last two shots?

From my view only one, and generously maybe-barely two seconds?

I ask you, tap your knuckles twice on any hard surface with a one or even two second pause ... and then a four second interval pause between each tap.

Now, compare that 4 seconds long pause to the Lawson, Bower and other earwitness's 1 to 2 second long pause between the last two shots recollections.

The time difference between a 1 to 2 second pause and a 4 + second one is significant and starkly obvious.

This stark contradiction between these witnesses 2nd and third shot timing recollections and the real time 4+ second scene we see on the Zapruder film doesn't add up.

Could there have been two rifles being fired almost simultaneously at JFK?

With their individual shots being almost on top of each other? 

And with one hitting it's intended mark and the other missing? 

I would love for someone else to watch the Zapruder film in real time and tell me if they agree or disagree with my belief that it was at least 4 seconds between JFK first being hit and then being hit a second time in the head.

4 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48753#relPageId=17

 

Interesting piece. The author seems unaware the bronze casket was so heavy that the absence of a body would not have been noticed. 

Totally agree. The coffin itself was enormously heavy.

I was a pall bearer once and had to help carry one of those super heavy coffins from it's wake service display table, out the building, down many steps and into the back of a waiting hearse.

We had about 6 big strong men carrying this and even then it was a real heavy load and you worried about losing it down those steps.

JFK himself weighed what? Maybe 185 lbs? That weight in a plain bare bones casket would have been a super easy lightweight carry for just 4 men.

JFK's body, if missing from that Bismark sized bronze behemoth, wouldn't have been noticed imo.

Interesting interview of Carol Burnett.

My goodness she looks so much like Ruth Paine. 

The face and face shape, eyes, big toothed smile, hair color and haircut.

I was always quite attracted to Burnett.

 

Well, whoever this really is, she has a sweet and gentle dog and she is gently affectionate toward it and she probably reads alot judging from the packed bookshelf behind her.

She seems quite smitten with her interviewer hence perhaps her relaxed and giggly demeanor which otherwise would seem a little out of place considering the serious JFK tragedy questions proposed to her?

Her answer regards her missing the rifle being placed in her car in New Orleans by Lee Harvey Oswald and not her seems rational, however, when she and Marina arrived back in to her home, Lee Oswald wasn't around to do the unpacking was he?

Which begs the question, who unpacked the car at that time?

Someone must have grabbed the rifle to place it in Ruth's garage. Either Marina herself, Ruth or her husband MIchael who, it would make sense, might have been asked to help unload the belongings by Ruth, even though they were living apart at that time.

Jack Ohman - Sacramento Bee

On 2/1/2021 at 10:44 PM, Vince Palamara said:

Dallas D.A. Henry Wade's controversial press conference 11/24/63 - Wade's awkward and suspicious comments and interchange with regard to Jack Ruby and the evidence...but especially Ruby.

 

 

Dallas D.A. Henry Wade's controversial press conference 11/24/63 - YouTube

 

 

Vince, I just came across a video you posted on You Tube. A French language clip of the comings and goings at Bethesda Naval hospital when JFK's body was brought there.

I have two questions regards a couple of observations of the video.

There are two artistic renderings that pop up so briefly you almost miss them. One is a full scene of Jackie Kennedy looking pensively out a window in what one assumes is a VIP waiting room on the higher floors of Bethesda and what looks like RFK, Kenny ODonnell and Robert McNamara in the room with her. Another is a closer up shot of this rendering where we see Ethel Kennedy ( I think ) sitting down at a table in this same room... and most curiously the side/back of a man sitting across from her. 

Do my eyes deceive me...or is this table sitting man holding a hyperdermic syringe and perhaps preparing this to use on perhaps Jackie Kennedy as a sedative?

If so, what a bizarre scene to paint.

Also, there are two video shots of enlisted Navy men lined up in a row in their white navy sailer caps and P Coats. I assume they are on duty in the hospital area during this arrival and autopsy of JFK's body there?

In the second clip of these navy enlisted men I think I see Dennis David! The fellow on the farthest right side of the line looks like David to me especially with his very big and stuck out ears?  Do you agree?

Interesting video that we of course have never seen as it was obviously filmed by a French film crew.

I thought Trump's out of control TV debate performance with Biden was so bad that nothing could be worse and I was sure millions of Americans watching Trump's meltdown that night would also see and feel this and finally acknowledge the man is seriously emotionally unstable.

I just watched these two 2016 Republican primary debate You Tube videos with Trump going off the emotional control rails just as manically as he did in the debate with Biden last year. I had forgotten that Trump was like this all through the Republican primary debates in 2016.

And I once again ask the obvious question. How could 75 million Americans watch Trump's out-of-control, WWF type shouting, insulting and talking over behavior in these debates ( which usually descended into audience laughing chaos ) and not understand the obvious. This emotionally unstable man was unfit for the office?

A fact bore out in spades the last four chaotic presidential term years.

On 1/23/2021 at 1:18 AM, Vince Palamara said:

Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell: had to be one man, dismisses right wing as suspect 11/22/63 - YouTube

Every possible precaution was taken. ??? 

Every Dallas police officer was on duty ( really? What about Tom Tilson?), several hundred police reservists were on duty, every Sheriff's department officer ( hundreds ) were on duty.

Sheriff Roger Craig stated that he and his fellow plain clothes, detective officers were told by his boss County Sheriff Bill Decker just two hours before the assassination that they were in no way to take part in the motorcade security.

Craig also stated in Mark Lane's documentary that he was concerned by the lack of police presence in the motorcade crowd.

Every possible precaution was taken?

On their before hand security dry run drives over the motorcade route an untrained high school student probably would have noticed and mentioned all the hundreds of upper floor building windows and the roofs of these buildings as being possible threats in their sniper potential.

I would have asked what the security protocol was for this real threat scenario.

Would all these unprecedented police presence personnel include placing even one of them on the 30 or more roofs of these buildings as JFK was driven underneath?

How about police on the ground being tasked with scanning all the higher floor windows above them ( open ones with red flag urgency ) with binoculars before and during JFK's drive underneath?

Why not an order that all higher story buildings on the downtown route have no open windows just before and during the motorcade?

High rise building drive through motorcade security common sense no?

The crowd thinned out in Dealey Plaza so the lack of but a few DPD officers on the street there besides the motorcade cycle guard seems explanable. I think Arnold Rowland mentioned one? Maybe none?

Yet, the long stretch of higher than street level tree canopy and picket fence area above the grassy knoll which even a child could see provided a perfect hidden cover shooting position and the parking lot behind this had not one police guard there while JFK passed by?  Police on the over-pass could not even see what was going on there.

Cabell waxes enthusiastically about the huge loving feeling Dallas had for JFK while at the same time downplaying stark exibitions of anger, hate and violence toward JFK's close confidant Adlai Stevenson just months before in his city with spitting, cursing and protest sign hitting of Stevenson.

Cabell downplays the extreme right JFK hating organization presence in the Dallas area with it's most powerful and wealthy core centered there.

Heck, everyone then and now knows Dallas was the capital of the most wealthy, powerful and rabid JFK hating farthest right wing organizations in the country at that time.

Home to the world's wealthiest JFK hating men like Hunt and Murchison who were also the principle financiers of the JBL, Minute Men and who knows what other JFK hating groups.

Dallas was even home to JFK and RFK hating and mental institution commitment resentful General Ed Walker!

Dallas was also widely known as one of the most rabid JFK hating KKK cities as well. Perhaps as many as half the city police force connected with this organization ideologically if not directly?

JFK knew he was hated to such a vile and extreme way in this part of the country he himself referred to it as "nut country" to his wife Jackie.

Did Cabell express any JFK respecting concern and reprimand when he saw the incredibly disparaging and threatening JFK ad in his own city's DMN newspaper? How about the hateful and highly enciting "JFK WANTED FOR TREASON" fliers that H.L. Hunt himself was placing under car windshield wiper blades before JFK's arrival in Dallas?

Why didn't the DPD or FBI or SS immediately track down the creators and distributors of those JFK threatening and hate enciting fliers and newspaper ads?

The interviewer commends Cabell and his city's police force for their efforts right after the most important security fail in their history. And Cabell promotes this perception shamelessly.

Wonder if that same TV interviewer would have been so praising of the DPD after Oswald was blown away by an unchecked strip joint owner press crowd infiltrator right in their own DPD building basement while handcuffed to two police escorts just hours after this interview of Cabell? And what Cabell's defense of the DPD would have been?

8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Is the key line the last one?  "I don't really like to give my opinion of what I really believe".  In other words, I don't want to disappear, get run over, shot or be found floating in the river?  

Of what she "really believed?"

Talk about an ominous reveal.

Carlin trashed Ruby in her Warren Commission testimony.

She more than hinted that she thought Ruby had homosexual tendencies.

She said he seemed very insecure in his masculinity.

She testified that Ruby made one pass at her but she shut that down quickly.

I read once that Carlin allowed herself to be an arm girl once or twice for at least one of Ruby's big out of town gangster types. Maybe even traveling to New Orleans once in this capacity?

Carlin knew much more about Ruby and his unsavory character friends imo.

She was really scared after all this happened.

She carried a gun and was reprimanded for this during Jack Ruby's murder trial

Yet, Carlin was also street wise savvy, even at her young age.

She had a serious dispute with a reportedly rough and tumble corrupt nightclub owner Pat Kirkwood after briefly working for him where she feared for her life. The name of his joint was "The Cellar." A beatnick themed club featuring scantilly clad cocktail girls and supposedly alcohol code skirting drinks.

This was the same club reportedly visited by some of JFK's Secret Service detail the night before 11,22,1963.

5 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Transcript:

DALLAS DISTRICT ATTORNEY HENRY WADE: The purpose of this news conference is to detail some of the evidence against Oswald for the assassination of the president. This evidence was gathered by, largely by the Dallas police who did an excellent job on this, with the help of some of the federal agencies. And I’m going through the evidence piece by piece, uh, for you, number one as some of this you will already know some of it you won’t, I don't think. Uh, as all of you do know first … there’s a number, we have a number of witnesses that saw the person with the gun on the sixth floor of the bookstore building. The window, detailing the window where he was looking out. Inside this window, the police found a row of books, cases, boxes, hiding someone sitting in the window from people on the same floor looking in. Uh, on the window was some boxes where in the little circle around the window by the book cases, some boxes where apparently the person was sitting, because he was seen from that particular window. On this box that the defendant was sitting on, his palm print was found and was identified as his. The 3 ejected shells were found right by the box. The shells were of an odd caliber of the type and later determined, the gun that was found on the floor. The gun was hidden on this same floor, behind some boxes, uh, and, uh, some bookcases. It, as I think you know, have, has been identified as having been purchased last March by the, Oswald, from a mail order house. By and through a, through an assumed name named Hidell, mailed to a post office box here in Dallas. On his person was a pocketbook, in his pocketbook was identification card with the same name and post office box on it. Pictures were found by the defendant with this gun and a pistol on his, in his holster. Immediately that morning, that an unusual, but that morning a neighbor brought the, Oswald from Irving, Texas. He usually brought him on Monday morning, I think, but this day he went home one day early, on Thursday night, and came back, uh, to, uh, with this fella, and when he came back he had a package under his arm. Uh, that he said was window curtains, I believe or window shades, uh. The wife had said he had the gun the night before, it was missing that morning after he left. He got out around 8 o'clock and went to the building behind some cars and went to work. A police officer immediately after the, uh, assassination, ran in the building and saw this man in a corner and started to arrest him, but the manager of the building said he was an employee and was all right. Every other employee was located but this defendant of the company. A description and name of him went out by police to look for him. The next we hear of him is on a bus where he got on a bus on Lamar street, told the bus driver the president had been shot. President (sic) told a lady, who, all this is verified by statements that, told a lady on the bus that, uh, the president had been shot, and said how do you know, he says a man back there told him, went back there to talk to him, the defendant said yes, he’s been shot, and laughed very loud. Uh...

VOICE: This was to a lady?

WADE: A lady. He then, the bus, he asked the bus driver to stop, got off at his stop, caught a taxi cab driver. In Oak Cliff, i don’t have the exact place, and went to his home in Oak Cliff, changed his clothes hurriedly, and left. As he left, uh, three witnesses saw a police officer, officer Tippit, motion to him or say something to him. He walked up to the car, officer Tippit stepped out of the car and started around it and he shot him three times, and killed him.

VOICE: Was this in front of the boarding house (unintelligible)?

WADE: No, it’s not in front of the boarding house.

VOICE: And where is it?

WADE: I don’t have the exact, it’s more than a block, it’s a block or two.

VOICE: Was he on foot when Tippit saw him?

WADE: Yes he was on foot, and apparently headed to the Texas Theater. He then walked across a vacant lot. Witnesses saw him eject the shells from the revolver and place, reload the gun. Someone saw him go in the Texas Theater. A search was made of that later by a number of police officers. At the time, an officer of the Dallas police (unintelligible) him and asked him to come out, uh, he struck at the officer, put the gun against his head, and snapped it, but did not, uh, the bullet did not go off. We had a snapped bullet there. Officers, officers subdued him at that time.

VOICE: Was that an attempt at suicide, sir?

VOICE: Against his head, or the officers?

WADE: Against the officer’s head.

VOICE: Which officer?

VOICE: You know why the gun didn’t go off?

WADE: MacDonald was his name.

VOICE: Do you know his first name?

WADE: It snapped, it was a misfire. Uh, then, uh, officers subdued him, some six officers subdued him there in the theater and he was brought to the police station here.

VOICE: Mr. Wade, why didn’t the gun fire?

WADE: It missed the firing pin, on the bullet, on the, uh, the shell didn’t explode. It, they have where it hit it, but it didn’t explode.

VOICES: (crosstalk) (unintelligible) firing pin?

WADE: It didn’t fire the shell.

VOICE: It was one officer said that he pulled the trigger, but he managed to put his thumb in the, in the uh, in the firing, before the firing pin, and it didn’t uh...

WADE: Well...

VOICE: ...strike the uh, the bullet was really exploded out. Is that...

WADE: I don’t know that the, I don’t know. I know that he did snap the gun is all that I know about it.

VOICE: (crosstalk) (unintelligible) so we can say it was a misfire.

WADE: It was a mis… it didn’t, it didn’t fire.

VOICE: (unintelligible) All right, you’ve got more evidence than this right?

VOICE: What other evidence?

VOICE: (unintelligible) let’s get this started.

(crosstalk)

WADE: Let’s see, uh, the, his fingerprints were found on the gun. Have I said that?

VOICE: Which gun?

VOICE: Which gun?

WADE: On the rifle.

VOICE: What about the paraffin test?

WADE: Yes I haven’t gone into that. The paraffin test showed that he had, uh, recently fired a gun. It was on both hands.

VOICE: On both hands?

WADE: Both hands.

VOICE: Recently fired a rifle?

VOICE: A gun.

WADE: A gun.

VOICE: The rifle fingerprints were his? Were Oswalds?

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: Were there any fingerp-

WADE: Palmprint rather than a fingerprint.

VOICE: Were there any fingerprints at the window?

VOICE: (unintelligible) (noise) palmprint (unintelligible) was on the gun?

WADE: Yes. (unintelligible) 

VOICE: (unintelligible) (noise)

VOICE: Where on the gun?

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: Where on the gun?

WADE: Under the, on part of the metal, under the gun.

VOICE: Did he still ever say anything about it? Admit anything at all?

WADE: He never did admit at the end of the killing, (unintelligible) you asked me this, I didn’t do any interrogation.

VOICE: Oh I thought maybe you’d list it as part of the, part of the evidence.

WADE: Oh, it’s not listed here.

VOICE: Did he display any animosity toward the president? Any conversation with any law officers?

WADE: He was bitter toward all of the officers that examined him is what I’ve been told.

VOICE: Would you continue, sir…

VOICE: Let’s finish the…

WADE: We have, uh, in uh, that’s about all.

VOICE: About ballistics tests.

VOICE: Ballistics tests.

WADE: Well, I said this was the gun that, uh…

VOICE: Killed the president?

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: (unintelligible) FBI report (unintelligible)?

WADE: I’m not at liberty to go into the FBI, FBI report.

VOICE: Did you say the gun was mailed to a post office box in Dallas in March?

WADE: March of this year.

VOICE: Was he living in Dallas then?

WADE: Yes. Or I assumed he was, he got it here.

VOICE: He previously lived in New Orleans?

(crosstalk)

VOICE: ...said he’d only been here two months, Mr. Wade.

WADE: He came to Fort Worth sometime in the fall of ‘62, and then moved here a while and apparently went to New Orleans for a while and came back. Now when the period of that is, I’m not sure.

VOICE: Mr Wade what was the evidence that we were told was, uh, startling evidence that could not be told to the press, uh…

VOICE: Saturday morning?

VOICE: Saturday morning?

VOICE: They said it came in Saturday morning and that it could not be revealed, it was uh, uh, physical evidence.

WADE: I’m not… I don’t know, uh, that wasn’t me that said that, I don’t think.

VOICE: Have you given us everything that...

WADE: I’ve given you everything that I...

VOICE: Did you know that he’s been recognized as a patron of Ruby’s nightclub here?

WADE: I don’t know that.

VOICE: (crosstalk) Mr. Wade, do you know of any connection between Mr. Ruby and...

WADE: I know of none.

VOICE: Are you investigating reports that he might have been slain because Ruby might have feared he would implicate him in something?

WADE: The police are making the investigation of that murder. I don’t know anything about that.

VOICE: Is the investigation…

WADE: Although charges have been filed, it will be presented to a Grand Jury on Rubin… uh… We’ll prop immediately within the next week and it’ll probably be tried around the middle of January.

VOICE: As the district attorney’s office follows it’s investigation of the assassination of the president…

(crosstalk)

VOICE: ...before sending it again to Washington?

WADE: Before.

VOICE: Before sending the gun Washington.

VOICE: Do you, do you think it was unusual for Jack Ruby to be in that crowd?

WADE: I don’t pass on that, uh, unusual for being in that crowd?

VOICE: The reports that has been (crosstalk) planned...

WADE: I was… I’ve been here since last night, so I don’t know anything about things have been...

VOICE: Mr Wade, how do you feel about not being able to try Oswald as the killer of the President?

WADE: Well, uh, we will try Ruby and there’s the death penalty on him, about the same time.

VOICE: Well how about the (unintelligible)?

WADE: I don’t want to go into why’s or wherefores on anything.

VOICE: Has your office closed its investigation into the death of President Kennedy?

WADE: No sir, the investigation will continue on that with the basis towards, uh, and we have no concrete evidence that anyone assisted him in this, but the investigation I’m sure will go on with reference to any possible accomplice or people that assisted him in it.

VOICE: Do you have a suspicion now that the…

(crosstalk)

VOICE: ...the United States?

WADE: I have no concrete evidence or suspicions at present.

VOICE: Thank you.

VOICE: Would you be willing to say it with all this evidence that, uh, it is now beyond a reasonable doubt at that, uh, that, uh, Oswald was the killer of President Kennedy?

WADE: I would say that without any doubt he’s the killer. The law says beyond a reasonable doubt into a moral certainty, which I have, there’s no question that he was the killer of President Kennedy.

VOICE: That case is closed in your mind.

WADE: As far as Oswald’s concerned.

VOICE: Yes.

VOICE: Mr. Wade, will we be able to, uh, have copies of the photographs showing Oswald…

WADE: If you’ll have them, you’ll have to get them from the Dallas police.

VOICE: What do you think was the motive of Ruby?

WADE: I don’t know, I haven’t talked with him.

VOICE: What do you feel is the strongest evidence in that list?

WADE: Well it’s like any case based on a series of circumstances, they all have to fit together. You put a man in the window with a gun, people can not positively identify him from the ground, he fits their general description. You have his fingerprints there, you have the shells there, you have his gun that he’s purchased.

VOICE: What do you think… (unintelligible)?

WADE: Don’t... can’t answer that.

VOICE: Have you found any fluctuation in Oswald’s bank account or his finances?

WADE: I know of nothing, nothing about that.

VOICE: (unintelligible) ...palmprint, found… (unintelligible) box?

WADE: Yes sir.

VOICE: On both?

WADE: Both of them. As found by the Dallas police.

VOICES: (unintelligible) (crosstalk)

VOICE: How do you explain… (unintelligible)?

WADE: There were co-workers that left him there around twelve o’clock to eat lunch. I didn’t mention that, the witnesses put him on the fourth floor at twelve o’clock and shortly thereafter.

VOICE: The sixth floor?

VOICE: Four?

VOICE: Sixth.

WADE: The sixth floor. Where the box is.

VOICE: What did you say the ballistics? I missed the part about the ballistics.

WADE: That this was the gun, the bullet from this gun killed the president.

(crosstalk)

VOICE: Was that from the FBI sir?

WADE: I… I can’t go into anything from the FBI.

(crosstalk)

VOICE: ...the story that Oswald and Ruby were previously acquainted?

WADE: I think I heard it on radio or something, but I don’t know anything about it.

VOICE: Will we have a chance to talk to Ruby?

VOICE: I have not talked with...

(crosstalk)

WADE: ...I have not talked with either one of them.

VOICE: But will, will, will we get a chance to talk to him or see him?

WADE: I don’t know anything about that.

VOICE: Did you know Ruby...

WADE: This was entirely about going over the evidence. I thought some of you would want it.

VOICE: Did you know Ruby before this?

WADE: No sir. Saw him in this very same room Friday night when we had the defendant up here.

VOICE: He threw a stag party for the Texas Bar Association in the Adolphus hotel, were you there?

WADE: No sir, I wasn’t there. As a matter of fact, if some o-, oh, excuse me, if some of you will recall he asked a question from out here in the audience, or answered a question, he was standing right back here, and I didn’t know who he was, I thought he was a member of the press, and he told me as we walked out of here that he was a nightclub operator.

VOICE: What question did he ask?

VOICE: What question did he ask?

WADE: Huh?

VOICE: What question did he ask?

VOICE: He answered one.

WADE: I don’t remember, but he...

VOICE: He answered one, I think

WADE: Maybe it was an answer, but he said something, I...

VOICE: (unintelligible) it was Friday night when I asked you to do an interview with me on the phone and you had another call and Ruby was hanging around in the background. You were on the phone and I said, uh, and then you had to go away, and I, and I asked Ruby, uh, because he seemed to me like a detective. He seemed to be all over this place. And I said… (unintelligible) ...figured it out, and went around, and he got you, and he brought you to my telephone.

WADE: That might have been where he told me who he was. I didn’t know who he was either, when he, uh, I think someone here answered that question, in that he answered a question, somebody asked something and he answered it back there. And I don’t know what it was, I think it was some question about a street or an address or a name or something.

VOICE: It looked to be like your good friend (unintelligible).

VOICE: Do you feel that the list is complete, or is anything withheld by your government agencies (unintelligible)?

WADE: This is all that I know of. Yes.

VOICE: That’s all you know of.

VOICE: ...arguing this case what would you use as a theory of as to his motive?

VOICE: Again a question about his motive.

WADE: Well, of course that has to develop, you have to develop that from all of the evidence, and uh, I can’t go into motive, um, uh, it depends on what you can get in evidence. If you get everything that’s been written in the papers and evidence you could put a pretty good motive there but, I don’t, a lot of that I don’t think would be administered…

VOICE: What can you tell us…

WADE: ...and you’ve got to base your motive on what you have before the jury.

VOICE: What can you tell us so far about your investigation of, uh, Jack Ruby?

WADE: I haven’t, uh, had anything to do with it. I was, I haven’t, uh. No, I know nothing about it.

VOICE: Will you be involved?

WADE: I will try him as a prosecutor.

VOICE: Is the Justice Department heading up that investigation?

WADE: As far as I know the Dallas police is.

VOICE: How would you evaluate the work of the Dallas police in investigating the death of the president?

WADE: I think that Dallas police did an excellent job on this and before midnight on when he was killed, uh, had the man in custody and had sufficient evidence what I think to convict him.

VOICE: Mr. Wade, have you identified the gun positively as the one that was purchased by the defendant, and (unintelligible)?

WADE: It can be positively identified.

VOICE: Is there a serial number?

VOICE: Is there a serial number?

WADE: Serial number. 

VOICE: By serial number.

WADE: Serial number.

VOICE: And (unintelligible).

WADE: And both and that on the scope too.

VOICE: (unintelligible)

WADE: No, the scope was on the gun, but of course a different person makes it, a different company makes the scope.

VOICE: Did he buy, when he bought the gun, did he buy the gun with the scope and (unintelligible) unit?

WADE: Scope, scope was on it when it was purchased?

VOICE: It was mounted, right?

VOICE: Do you know what kind of gun it was?

WADE: I don’t have the exact, it was a foreign made gun of, uh.

VOICE: Six and, uh, five tenths millimeter

WADE: Six...

VOICE: ...Italian made, is that correct?

WADE: Six five tenths millimeter, and I understand is a used gun of, uh, Italian make, probably.

VOICE: Do you see that the…

VOICE: (unintelligible)?

WADE: It was mounted as I understand it when it came.

VOICE: Do you see that the easy availability of guns such as this, uh, requires new and more stringent laws?

WADE: That is an old question that’s been off, uh, uh, it’s obvious that if you didn’t have any guns you probably wouldn’t have any murders with guns. Uh, but it’s nearly impossible to keep a person who wants to kill from finding a gun somewhere.

VOICE: Do you know Oswald’s activities nine or ten days before (unintelligible)?

WADE: I never heard of him until he was arrested and brought in here.

VOICE: Mr. Wade, the State Department put out some information in Washington, where they stated the importance of telling this as to the American people to a situation developing in Russia, and the Russian Marxists that are mentioned in relation to Oswald’s background. Can you tell us anything, do you have evidence related to a Marxist background?

WADE: No sir, I can’t. There’s some uh, uh, things found on him, like newspapers and things, that didn’t necessarily connect him with the organization, like, uh, Communist Daily Worker or something, I don’t think he necessarily say he was, uh… The fact he read doesn’t necessarily mean that he... couldn’t prove that he belonged to it. I read quite a bit about this subject. I don’t know what you’re talking about, but I read interviews from reporters from over in Russia all on this subject, that the, apparently they know quite a bit more about it than I do.

VOICE: Was there material found here that tied them directly to the case?

WADE: There’s no, there’s material that said he belonged to any group other than this Fair Play For Cuba that I know of.

VOICE: Nothing on the (unintelligible)?

WADE: There’s lots of material dealing with that movement, but...

VOICE: Henry, were you ever able to ascertain whether he was in Washington and took part in the House Un-American Activities Committee (unintelligible)?

WADE: Uh, I know nothing about that, it’s… I don’t think he told anybody he was, and I don’t know of any, not to my knowledge. Now, I assume someone has been trying to check that, but I don’t know anything on that, except...

VOICE: Did Ruby do that? Were you answering about Ruby or about Oswald?

WADE: No, this was, this was about Oswald, wasn’t it? I don’t know of anything on either one of them up there, for that matter. I believe that’s about it.

VOICE: Thank you, Henry.

WADE: Thank you.

VOICE: Mr Wade, I’d like to ask one more question. Why did you (unintelligible) last night, and why did you go over (unintelligible)?

WADE: Well, there’s a lot of reasons, probably the main one, I received a call from Paris, France and Stockholm, Sweden and nearly every foreign country asking me about this evidence, and I (unintelligible) from the newsmen in those countries asking...

VOICE: Did Robert Kennedy or anyone from his office (crosstalk)?

WADE: I’ve heard nothing from any of the, from Washington or any of the officials in this country on this matter. But I decided that, uh, I’ve heard, I had a number of newsmen call me from all over the world wanting to know why it wasn’t, and I thought, just my old mind decided it was a good idea. (unintelligible).

VOICE: Excuse me sir. Are you aware that the Justice Department before you made this announcement and before you came into the building tonight had said that a new evidence, or the evidence would all be released and given to newsmen?

WADE: No sir, I’m not familiar with that other than as I walked out the door or one of the, one of the, your men I think called me and told me that, uh, there’s something on that that they were considering that, but I was already had this up was coming out to see you, that had nothing to do with me getting this ready.

VOICE: Is there, is there, is there any doubt in your mind that if Oswald was tried, that you would have had him convicted by a jury with the evidence you had?

WADE: I don’t think that there’s any doubt in my mind that we’d have convicted him but of course you, you never know what, uh, we’ve had lots and lots of people we thought that somebody might hang the jury or something, but there’s no question in my mind...

VOICE: As far as you’re concerned the evidence you gave us you would, you could have convicted him?

WADE: I’ve sent people to the electric chair on less.

VOICE: This was more than enough.

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: Will you seek the death penalty for Ruby?

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: Even if he pleads guilty?

WADE: Yes.

VOICE: Is it an automatic death penalty?

VOICE: Does the FBI have sufficient evidence?

WADE: I don’t know. I don’t know, I’m not, I don’t know what they have.

VOICE: Sir, do you know when you’ll process the Ruby case to the grand jury?

WADE: Within a week, I said. I might say on this, that uh, you asked about the penalty on this, this latter, this latter case was the assassination of a man under arrest, handcuffed, that, to me, is a very aggravated case that warrants the death penalty.

VOICE: Are you investigating the possibility…

WADE: A second assassination doesn’t help the first.

VOICE: Do you have a signed statement from Mr. Ruby (unintelligible)?

WADE: I haven’t seen any, but I think, uh…

(crosstalk)

VOICE: Are you investigating the possibility that Ruby might have killed Oswald because he feared Oswald might implicate him in some form?

WADE: I’m not investigating anything, I’m going to try whatever... I’ll try the case.

End Transcript

Reading Wade's presentation to the press above one must ask, how in the heck did this guy ever ascend to the position of Dallas D.A.?

That was embarrassingly inarticulate. 

Constant "uh, uhs ... ", stammering, disjointed sentences, winging broad information answers with incredibly premature fact checking.

This is no Clarence Darrow.

New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison on the other hand WAS impressively articulate.

Even on a Clarence Darrow level imo. 

Garrison was extremely well read, well versed and well spoken even when answering questions spontaneously.

5 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

VOICE: Did you know Ruby before this?

WADE: No sir. Saw him in this very same room Friday night when we had the defendant up here.

VOICE: He threw a stag party for the Texas Bar Association in the Adolphus hotel, were you there?

WADE: No sir, I wasn’t there. As a matter of fact, if some o-, oh, excuse me, if some of you will recall he asked a question from out here in the audience, or answered a question, he was standing right back here, and I didn’t know who he was, I thought he was a member of the press, and he told me as we walked out of here that he was a nightclub operator.

VOICE: What question did he ask?

VOICE: What question did he ask?

WADE: Huh?

VOICE: What question did he ask?

VOICE: He answered one.

WADE: I don’t remember, but he...

VOICE: He answered one, I think

WADE: Maybe it was an answer, but he said something, I...

VOICE: (unintelligible) it was Friday night when I asked you to do an interview with me on the phone and you had another call and Ruby was hanging around in the background. You were on the phone and I said, uh, and then you had to go away, and I, and I asked Ruby, uh, because he seemed to me like a detective. He seemed to be all over this place. And I said… (unintelligible) ...figured it out, and went around, and he got you, and he brought you to my telephone.

WADE: That might have been where he told me who he was. I didn’t know who he was either, when he, uh, I think someone here answered that question, in that he answered a question, somebody asked something and he answered it back there. And I don’t know what it was, I think it was some question about a street or an address or a name or something.

VOICE: It looked to be like your good friend (unintelligible).

VOICE: Do you feel that the list is complete, or is anything withheld by your government agencies (unintelligible)?

WADE: This is all that I know of. Yes.

Denny, thank you for posting the actual Wade news briefing transcript.

I stand corrected once again for not quoting Wade's statements correctly in my post above which I am going to edit for accuracy.

However, we see here that Wade flat out lies when he says to the press member's question " Did you know Jack Ruby before this?"

And Wade responds "No sir."

Also the actual quote of the reporter's observation of Ruby and Wade talking to one another late Friday night was " Looked to be like your good friend."

I correctly described Wade's embarrassed expression and non-answer.

Yeah...what a loss.

Watching that weird cheer leader like selfie video taken by Donald Trump Jr. of that January 6th outdoor tent party with music, dancing, food, close with no masks high fives and shoulder slapping and large screen TV's set up with coverage of the "Stop The Steal" protest crowd and with Trump senior fixated on this TV coverage, I had to ask myself "what the heck is going on with that?"

Trump had what ... 100 rallies all around the country?

This January 6th "Stop The Steal" rally/protest was unlike any of those other 100.

Trump Jr. exuberantly cheering on the tent party happenings, patting Kevin McCarthy with praise as a true fighter and seeing his girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle sexily shaking her hips and arms to the rocking tunes and panning over to Trump Sr. intently watching the protest crowd on TV I realized this was something way more important to Trump Sr. and Jr. than anything like a typical rally.

This was a Trump creation "Super Bowl" mega rally party.

The ultimate final hurrah protest event.

The way Trump Sr. seemed fixated on the TV broadcast crowd play by play happenings you could tell he was expecting something more to come of the event even after finishing his "we was robbed" riling up speech to his wild bunch band of bonehead true believers into a vengeful slogan shouting frenzy.

Trump mentioned the word "fight" 20 times in his "win one for the Gipper" team rallying cry speech.  March on down to that Capital building and show em who's boss! And ... "DON'T BE WEAK!"

Isn't it obvious Trump wanted this protest event to escalate into something that would rock the world and maybe even do the impossible ... stop the electoral vote count and give him one last shot at keeping Biden from his presidency?

And if not successful in that way, at least Trump could revel in his sadistic pleasure of creating the ultimate "take that" chaos with one final break everything in the room parting tantrum. With others taking the legal blame and punishment of course.

Like millions of other Americans, I believe Trump wanted a violent event like we witnessed to take place and his outrageously irresponsible long wait to order in controlling forces to stop it was intentional to ensure this lynch mob attack on the Capital building had it's desired final last "take that" intimidation effect.

Hopefully, the Democrats can prove this Trump culpability to a degree worthy of fair and just accountability in the upcoming impeachment trial.

One newsman's observation comments to Henry Wade... "It looked to be like you're good friends" referring to this newsman watching Ruby and Wade talking to each other late Friday night.

Wade looked like a boy caught red handed in a cookie jar theft lie by this newsman's observation comment. He (Wade ) got this super embarrassed and sappy smile look on his face and could not even mutter one word in response.

Because he DID know Jack Ruby well! Despite pretending he didn't in this press conference.

Reporter's question to Wade "Did you know Jack Ruby before this?"

Wade "No sir  ... "

Oh please.

No disrespect intended but one of more dramatically interesting backdrop aspects of the otherwise tragic JFK/Oswald/Ruby in Dallas historical event are the beautiful and not so beautiful women who were either directly involved or peripherally involved in the story imo.

The famous and directly involved Jackie Kennedy and Marina Oswald. Two stunningly beautiful women.

Ruth Paine, Marguerite Oswald, Nellie Connally, Jeanne de Mohrenschildt, Eva Rubestein Grant, Rose Cherami ( sad ) etc. ... maybe not so beautiful.

But then you have Jack Ruby's Carousel Club girls.   Une belle chose!

Not directly involved but definitely an important part of the story none-the-less. Interestingly so not just because of their close up one-on-one work connection to Oswald's killer and their revealing testimony regards him, but also in their incredibly hot and sexy physical beauty. A true if kitschy real life reflection of a notoriously swingin' and wide open early 1960's Dallas!

Just look at Karen "Little Lynn " Carlin in the above interview video - OMG! 

Same with Janet "Jada" Conforto and several other Carousel performers...Kathy Kaye, Candy Barr, etc.

Every time I see this interview of Karen Carlin, I can understand why so many Dallas residents knew of Jack Ruby and his Carousel Club and why it was so popular. Like Jim Marrs, if I was of age, single and living near Dallas in the early 1960's I am sure I would have popped in there from time to time myself.

Surreal.

That collective gasp of horror said it all.

4 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Absolutely.

Jared Kushner nominated for Nobel Peace Prize.

Huh?  What?  Come again?  

Your thoughts?

The video link above is a warm anecdotal sharing by Clint Hill regarding his career as a presidential detail Secret Service agent and many of his interactions with Mrs. Kennedy and JFK.

The talk event format is Hill being asked questions by a seperated stage sharing Lisa McCubbin who was Hill's co-writer and relationship partner.

Many touching and funny stories.

The one about the 50 mile hike ( starting at midnight ) in Florida and Hill's exhausting security participation in this including his personally hand made award reward from JFK and Jackie is especially humorous.

The talk is presented as a feel good Clint Hill - JFK/Jackie SS detail memory sharing event. No negative expose stuff.

However, being a forever WC official finding doubting Thomas with a never ending questioning JFK truth sleuth mind-set, I noticed a few aspects to this Clint Hill book tour presentation that made it seem like more than just a feel good memoir sharing.

I sensed that another intention of this talking tour event was to present a defense of serious questions about JFK's security in Dallas on 11,22,1963 and the SS role in this failure.

At about the 15 minute point of the video,  pictures of other JFK motorcades are shown. Ireland, Costa Rica, Mexico City and one of JFK's "Ich Bin Ein Berliner" speech in Germany and the huge crowd in attendance there.

Hill gives a brief commentary of each motorcade event pictured and specifically mentions "many people hanging out of open windows" in the Ireland and Germany JFK visits. Also many ( "thousands" ) on rooftops in the Berlin event as well.

I didn't catch these "people hanging out of open windows" JFK motorcade observation statements by Hill as odd at first, but then you see and hear Lisa McCubbin volunteering this "same specific observation" just past the 25 minute point of the talk on her own as a lead-in to Hill's Dallas motorcade and Dealey Plaza event sharing.

"There were many people hanging out of open windows" in the Dallas motorcade she states before deferring to Hill's account of the Dallas parade.

Why mention this very specific Dallas motorcade observation ( too specific imo ) on her own like that?

This was the "third time" Hill and McCubbin had brought up the subject of many people hanging out of higher building open windows during past JFK motorcades and in just the first 25 minutes of their presentation without any prompting or questions from the audience asking about this.

Maybe it's just my hard wired conspiratorial believing mindset that sensed this repeated insertion of this high building open windows subject by both Hill and McCubbin seemed purposefully contrived, even as subtly introduced as it was.

And that the entire presentation talk and it's format seemed highly scripted, edited, practiced and rehearsed and more than just a warm reminiscence sharing by Hill agenda.

I sensed this was as much a deflecting defense of serious questions that had been proposed to Hill over the years about the failed SS JFK security in Dallas on 11,22,1963 as anything else.

McCubbin asked obviously leading questions of Hill that set up his defense of such well known suspicion points like why the motorcade was planned to leave Main Street at all and take that turn onto Houston and then Elm which required a protocol violation of slowing down through two extreme angle turns?

And coincidentally right under the TXSBD building and along the unguarded long tree canopy hiding picket fence area?

Hill deferred to the inability to get on the Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart if they stayed on Main. A concrete barrier prevented this.

Also, when describing the JFK limo itself and everyone's seating in this for the Dallas motorcade, I noticed Hill mentioned the high open bar between the front seat with Greer and Kellerman and the Connally's and Kennedy's seats in back.

Hill adds a comment that this metal bar would prevent Kellerman from being able to jump into the back seat area. In case of emergency one presumes. Why even mention this observation? Another unneeded defense of Kellerman not jumping in back to protect anyone during the shooting?

Hill mentions his reaction to the first shot where in the Ike Altgen's photo we see Hill on the Queen Mary with a couple of his fellow agents turned around to where they thought the sound originated from.

Hill describes hearing this first shot, but he doesn't react until the second shot when he notices JFK slumping toward Jackie Kennedy as his first cue that something was wrong. He then reacts by running to the limo and climbing aboard.

He also states that just as he is running and right behind the limo, he sees JFK's head explode. He sees this, but he doesn't hear this shot.

The sound of all the car and motorcycle engines running blocks this out. Which makes sense.

He said that he and Jackie were both "sprayed with JFK's blood and brain matter" when JFK's head exploded. He mentions "bone matter" being expelled as well.

( note: 20 foot away eyewitness Charles Brehm also recounted seeing a piece of JFK's skull bone flying back to the left rear of the limo and landing in the curb area near him and his son Joe.)

Hill states that in his up close observation when finally right above JFK that JFK's eyes were fixed and that there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head with no brain visible inside. 

This is contradictory to the JFK autopsy testimony by Bethesada Naval hospital Commander James Humes and his supposed removal of JFK's brain. Yet, it bolsters Bethesda Naval medical corpsman Paul O'Conners sworn testimony describing JFK's skull with no brain inside.

Hill's account of the shot sequence is somewhat confusing to me and I am sure others.

He says he heard the first explosion/shot like his fellow SS agents did. That shot apparently didn't hit anyone. It was the second shot that has been reported to be the one which hit JFK in the back. Hill heard this shot as well as the first?

Back to the general book tour talk event.

Obviously, this scripted, soft ball, feel good questioning of Hill by McCubbin format doesn't allow any opportunity for discussion of other harder and darker edged areas of JFK security fail questions.

No mention of SS agents violating important protocols such as visiting topless night clubs, drinking alcohol and staying up too late the night before the motorcade.

And certainly not the failure to place any security on high rise building roofs or making building owners and managers not have anyone opening upper floor windows in their buildings while JFK passed underneath.

Hill and McCubbin made sure this well known and often asked security failure concern question and other uncomfortable ones would be derailed before hand in the very first part of their talk imo.

Just one week before Dallas, JFK's Florida motorcade was cancelled. Due in part to the security fear of a high rise shooting attempt on JFK. Chicago security had the same concerns.

But, in perhaps the most rabid JFK hating city in the U.S. at that time with attacks on Democrat party affiliated Adlai Stevenson and Henry Gonzales not long before 11,22,1963 and "JFK WANTED FOR TREASON" newspaper ads and flyers published and distributed the day before JFK's visit...

we have no one watching downtown Dallas's open windows above JFK's driving underneath, no one on the roofs of these buildings, no one watching the area above the grassy knoll and with "Assignment Oswald" suspicious presidential visit kook threat list checking FBI agent James Hosty having lunch in a downtown Dallas diner in the middle of one of the highest security alert times in his career - JFK's motorcade ride through the capital city of the most powerful extreme right wing areas of JFK hating JBS, Minute Men and KKK nut country.  

Clint Hill did risk his life in his speeding JFK limo jumping actions. Never disputing that fact.

Yet, it always seems to me that he purposely leaves out of his sentimental JFK/Jackie SS detail speaking tour remembrances any mention or answering to known other facts that shine a darker truth light on 11,22,1963.

Or deflects or downplays their importance and blame.

Hill ... regards the open windows security fail in Dallas, well, we had many open window motorcades before...and/or we just didn't have the manpower to have them all shut.

I just can't accept those type of security fail excuses myself.

These Hill/McCubbin speaking tour events are not a bad thing in light of Hill's interesting career and honoring his life risking efforts on 11,22,1963.

But I do find them disconcerting when they are used as a wide public audience platform to dissipate, deflect or downplay serious questions about darker truths we know to be true about JFK's security situation in Dallas leading to his tragic security failure murder there.