On 3/30/2020 at 7:16 PM, James DiEugenio said:

My review/discussion of Murder Most Foul.  What a work of lyrical composition.  NO wonder the MSM is trying to avoid what it says.

 

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-dylan-kennedy-sensation

Great essay.

Hope some national news and commentary venue picks it up.

Just read Jim Di's piece on Dylan's poem.

It's all I want to refer to.

4 minutes ago, Jeanie Dean said:

  I WOULD LIKE to Invite Dylan to play his new song at the Annual November JFK Tribute in November, that I host. Does anyone know how to contact Dylan?

I doubt Dylan would do anything more than producing this song.

He seems to be too private to share his JFK  feelings with others, imo.

Dylan's "Band" mate/drummer Levon Helm coincidentally weighs in on the JFK assassination himself in the film "The Shooter" starring Calvin Klein underwear model Marky Mark Wahlberg.

Thirty seconds into the following "Shooter" film clip see and hear raspy voiced Helm reference ...

"them boys on the grassy knoll? They were dead in three hours. Buried in the damned desert in unmarked graves out past Terlingua ( Texas.)"

Asked "You know this for a fact?"

Helm's eccentric weapons expert character says "Still got the shovel!"

Also, Dylan mentions front row seat at Altamont.

Could this possibly be a reference to the violence there, especially the brutal stabbing death of pistol pulling stage crasher Meredith Hunter by Hell's Angel stage security thug Allan Pissaro who was later found innocent of murder through self defense?

And even more likely the main "Gimme Shelter" lyric phrase ... "it's just a shot away" "It's just a shot away" ?

49 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Joe,

     Kudos for keeping the Education Forum Mark-Zaid-Thread-About-Everything alive this week.  

    Everyone knows by now that our Stable Genius-in-Chief botched the pandemic response bigly, but the news that is bothering me today is Trump's signing declaration in which he rejected any Congressional oversight of his handling of the newly approved $500 billion corporate bailout slush fund.

   Donald Trump in charge of a $500 billion slush fund?   What could possibly go wrong?   🤪

The man is obsessed with enriching himself at every opportunity. Even using this crisis to do so...down the road whatever.

He'll spread the loot around, and later make deals with his partners in shared greed and remind them...they owe him.

I'm sure Mort Sahl will find some end of life comfort with this Dylan song.

46 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

I'm cross posting this with the other thread Bob Dylan tackles the Kennedy assassination: Murder Most Foul 

I didn't see a lyric video on YouTube yet so I made one.

 

Bob Dylan's new song is a surprise and quite a work of art. There are many layers to dig into.

I like Dylan's jazz-like way of coming in off-beat, at times off with the music but never sounding incongruous with it. His singing is also noteworthy. I remember a performance from a decade ago that had me convinced he was done and that his voice was shot for good. There's only a few instances of raspyness here and there and I don't think they detract from the recording. Those instances are outnumbered by many pleasant moments where his voice sounds remarkably smooth. He has some really good phrasing. I really liked the subtle way the texture of his voice would change when assuming a character.

The instrumentation is really nice and restrained. Relaxing and slow without sounding sleepy or maudlin.

The lyrics and songwriting are something else. Some online review described it as "stream of consciousness". If that term implies a sort of aimlessness, then I don't agree. To me, the lyrics appear very carefully structured, and it is a credit to Dylan's musical genius that he is able to make it sound improvised. It is frankly amazing to me that he can hold a listener's attention for 17 minutes with a song that has no bridges, choruses, or hooks - just the title refrain and the imagery contained in the verses.

Speaking of the title refrain - I think it's brilliant to end the song by naming the song itself, asking Wolfman Jack to play, as the last song and the last request, the very song he's singing at the moment. The song isn't just about JFK's assassination and the Sixties, but about Dylan's love of popular music from his childhood to adulthood. The song is also a delirious fantasy as you imagine yourself being able to request as many songs as you want from the radio DJ, with no limits whatsoever.

There's also repeated Biblical imagery. I especially liked the "left hand turn" in Dealey Plaza as an allusion to a change to something demonic in the country, followed immediately by a mention of the crossroads, a reference to Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil for the ability to play blues guitar.

I also think there's sexual references in the verses about Bobby and Teddy, the word "comin'" is used twice in short succession, and in reference to the brothers. I don't think there's anything accidental about that.

This is just scratching the surface of this complex tour de force of songwriting. I'm enjoying reading everyone's takes and thoughts on this song.

What a great higher plane sensitive thought provoking review Denny.   BRAVO!

Douglas, if this virus crisis isn't the truly cataclysmic event of 2020 Nixon predicted, what could be worse?

In your earlier recounting of the Merritt/Nixon encounter posted way before this year, did you actually state this Nixon prediction to Merritt with the specific 2020 year date?

Trump News Conference March 27,2020.

When asked what he would say to the millions of cooped up and even scared American school children struggling with the stay at home order Trump said...

"I would tell them be proud of your country ..."  ???

Trump also said he told his Vice President to not even bother talking to Michigan's Governor and Washington State's Governor or certain other Governors regards the coronavirus crisis because they were "not appreciative enough" of the help his administration was giving their states and others.

Considering the gravity of responsible and non-personal and non-political bias leadership needed during this unprecedented threat and damage crisis, Trump's junior high school yard grudge mentality with his latest personal digs against these Democratic party Governors once again exposes a stunted emotional immaturity and insecurity many mental health experts believe is on a pathological level. And which he has exhibited his entire presidency.

Sorry to those here who feel I am "unhinged" or need to "take a deep breath" regards my postings of concern about our President and his incredibly immature emotional state approach to leadership through the biggest public health emergency crisis our nation has faced in our lifetimes.

Obviously I feel a greater urgency in speaking out about the chief crisis decision maker who I believe is so emotionally unqualified for this role he is making the crisis worse.

How this crisis and Trump's direct input in handling it eventually plays out will be my ultimate "unhinged" or "rationally concerned" validation I guess.

Just hope my wife and I live long enough to see this.

Doug, you're BACK!

Good.

Obviously Dylan was deeply,deeply affected by the JFK assassination and has been so for the rest of his life.

To create and include this particular subject song/poem/message into his life's work at the end of his career exposes how concerned he has been ( and still is ) about it. 

Ike Eisenhower gave us his MILITARY, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX warning speech as his farewell one.

Something about end of life confessionals, warnings? 

E.Howard Hunt gave us his BIG EVENT confessional as well just before he died.  But, nobody believed it.

And play "Imagine" by Lennon And Mourn His Death Too.

Powerful, powerful words by Dylan.

Like most everyone else I don't want to think the worst regards this monster virus.

Even though I am reading and hearing about growing numbers of ominous reports.

I read personal accounts of those who have the virus. Their stories are mostly not good and hopeful.

The experts are saying it is much worse than Trump is saying it is.

Yet, ignoring these experts the majority of Americans believe Trump over them according to poll results I have seen in the last 3 days. That fact is as troubling as can be imo.

A nation mostly in denial?

A nation believing a science denying cult leader over truly society protecting scientists?

But, now we are more and more having to face the possibility of desperate action chaos happening in at least some of our nation's hardest hit areas of large and dense population.

In Madrid I just read a news report of workers abandoning rest homes.

The military there came into two or more of these homes to disinfect them and found the residents left to fend for themselves with some dead bodies in beds.

Sounds like New Orleans when many rest homes were abandoned during Hurricane Katrina. Or concentration camps littered with dead bodies.

Could that happen here? New York City sounds like it could devolve into an all out panic situation in certain areas.

Martial Law seems a very real possibility now more than even a week ago.

And we are even discussing the idea of letting our over 60 aged population take one for the Gipper and go out into the mine fields to clear them for the rest of society.

Our very own "Final Solution" plan!

Herd us all out into some isolated rural areas where we can just let the virus take us out?

Maybe while singing "God Bless America" or Abba songs?

And maybe with a little quick pain and suffering relief Jim Jones Kool Aid assistance?

This almost unbelievable discussion is real now!

It's as real as the Titanic ordering able bodied men to place themselves in certain death open waters to allow the women and children on board their sinking ship's limited lifeboats to save "their" lives.

All civil arguments, debates and law abiding behavior can quickly crumble once things turn into an all out run for pure survival.

It's going to take some incredible leadership and even "luck" now to make sure we don't fall into such straights. Luck in a quick cure?

Personally, I am having to seriously entertain the very real thought that my wife and I could be taken out by this virus, if it continues to spread and perhaps even mutate to stronger and more deadly degrees.

Like soldiers being sent into battle who are forced to mentally condition themselves to accept the reality that they may not come back alive once they are thrust into it.

As unbelievable as this new and over-night arriving nightmare reality seems and our psychs wanting to believe it is just a bad dream ... I breath a sad sigh and am forced to face the fact that it is not.

In deference to Doug C. , if the ET presence story is actually true, maybe now would be a good time to ask them for some help in turning back this humanity threatening monster?

Oh, and Bill Gates is now going public with his personal view of Trump's "go back to work" campaign as nuts.

I haven't heard of this song by Dylan.

Do you think that maybe Dylan felt he must get something like this out before he dies?

To have it officially embedded into his musical and even personal legacy?

That he has always felt JFK's killing ( and it's cover-up ) was perhaps the single most damaging event in our history to our society and our democracy?

Will view the lyrics asap.

2 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

There is still zero evidence he was there.  

Cory, I take it you don't give the report of Lansdale staying at the same hotel in Fort Worth on the same night JFK and Jackie stayed there ( 11,21,1963) any credibility at all?

And if you will indulge me and others who believe Prouty and Krulack were correct in their Lansdale ID in the Tramp photo - if this Tramp photo man was really Lansdale...would you at least consider this fact a very intriguingly suggestive and important one in the realm of high level conspiracy involvement?

The shameless ridiculousness of Trump's packed Easter church services promotion just 15 days from now:

Nearly 3 dozen who attended church event test positive for coronavirus

 

 

 

JANELLE GRIFFITH

I have wondered why at least one researcher in the last 40 to 50 years hasn't secured the services of one or two top experts in the field of comparative human anatomy, physiology and loco-motion movement to compare the Dealey Plaza lanky man photo with so many others of Lansdale throughout his career?

I am assuming that the Dealey Plaza photo would be sufficient for them to draw decently strong scientific measurement degree findings in either eliminating the Dealey Plaza man as Lansdale or not.

Of course financial means must be by far the number one reason this hasn't been done.

I don't think any JFK researcher has ever had enough private monies available to fund such a study.

If I was financially able, I would initiate this study right away as I have always felt the Dealey Plaza man looked too much like Lansdale to dismiss this as a fact and ignore the ramifications of his presence in Dealey Plaza at the time the photo was taken.

Bolstered by long time, personally interacting aquaintances of Lansdale Fletcher Prouty and General Victor Krulak both expressing their belief that the Dealey Plaza man is indeed Lansdale.

"Unhinged" defined:

 

 

TR

 

13 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

You are now the barometer for the unhinged.

When you get to a prediction of 10s of millions dead, I'll know we're about a week away from the "Pandemic" being over.

I know there is a Mark Zaid prize. I plan to award you the "Greta Thundberg Trophy for Autistic Hyperbole" as soon as it comes back from the engraver.

 

 

 

R.W.

Welcome to the world of the "unhinged."

Tom Inglesby

 

@T_Inglesby

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Mar 23

 

If a health care system in a given community stops working, can no longer provide care to the ill, the case fatality rate for COVID will be far higher than 1% - we would not be able to care for some or all of the expected 5% of recognized cases that get critically ill. 

 

Beyond that, if hospitals were completely overwhelmed, they may struggle to provide even oxygen for some or many of the 15% of recognized cases expected to be “severely ill”. let alone provide care for other life threatening conditions. 

 

 

 

Anyone advising the end of social distancing now, needs to fully understand what the country will look like if we do that. COVID would spread widely, rapidly, terribly, could kill potentially millions in the yr ahead with huge social and economic impact across the country. 

 

Before considering big changes to social distancing measures now, we should as quickly as possible get to strongest possible position for COVID response – we're no where near that now. We'll need rapid Dxs in place almost every location where a pt can be seen for care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said:

 

I would not be surprised if more people die from avoiding an ER visit with a non-coronavirus ailment than those that actually catch the virus.

 

I'm going to keep this guess of yours and compare it to future numbers.

Also, many, many more Americans ( perhaps millions ) will get the virus versus those that will die from not going to the ER when they are in serious medical crises. Kind of simple common sense isn't it?

Trump says millions of Americans want to go back to work.

No, millions of Americans don't want to die!

These same millions want their government to protect them and help them get through the massive financial stress they are experiencing.

Trump says millions of kids want to go back to school? Sure, if they aren't mature enough to know the risks involved.

Millions of their parents don't want them getting seriously ill at school and bringing this back home.

Hundreds of thousands of teachers don't want to risk their lives in crowded class room settings as well.

Trump is throwing out what he "wants" people to think and feel...versus what they really do.

Kirk, good idea about letting certified recovered persons go back to work.

However, the fact is the numbers of such are what...only several thousand?

And letting people who are not sick yet go back to work ( if they want ) where they have a much, much greater chance at being infected due to closer contact with others is really ridiculous unless they are all wearing hazmat suits and following protocols as strict as hospital workers.

So many will get the virus and spread it even faster.

I just read an opinion comment an hour ago regards a news article about Trump pushing this "go back to work" scheme. The writer made me laugh ( perverse humor ) in stating Trump is not going to let our wealthiest 5% keep losing money if he has to do this "over our dead bodies!"

Trump is parroting the frantic proposals of billionaires who will do and say anything to keep from seeing their massive wealth even "begin" to decline ... as it is.

Tom Barrack billionaire real estate magnate and close Trump friend is one.

Type in his name and see that he just published his own white paper which states many of the same things Trump is now saying word for word in his new "get back to work" rally type speeches and tweets.

Here is a gem from Trump today in his virtual Rose Garden town hall meeting:

“I gave it two weeks,” Trump said during the virtual town hall from the Rose Garden. He argued that tens of thousands of Americans die from the seasonal flu or in automobile accidents and “we don’t turn the country off.”

Head shaking... auto accident deaths and flu deaths have never and will never overburden hospitals and health care to the point of collapse.

Trump's shamelessly using this ridiculous logic death rate comparison rational to promote his "back to work" agenda? Typical Trump used car salesman BS.

Here is my own Trump "get back to work" opinion comment in this same AOL news forum:

Where are our MEDICAL EXPERT LEADERS?

They should be SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS to the entire nation through our main stream media that ...TRUMP AND HIS "GO BACK TO WORK" SCHEME IS INSANE!

Trump is pushing taking the entire nation into a life and death work situation for the middle class and poorer ( 80% of us ) that is simply crazy!

Trump is being hugely pressured and influenced by the wealthiest 5% of Americans ( like himself ) who want the rest of us to risk our lives because "they" are actually losing money?

Real estate BILLIONAIRE Tom Barrack for one.

Dear God America! Tell your doctors and highest medical professionals and scientists to get out there and stand up to this insanity!

The personal and entire society changes are so massive and happening so fast, it's hard to process them as reality.

Like we have nothing in our life experience and mental data banks to compare them to and analyze it all and confidently figure out how to react.

We are talking an "overnight" paradigm shift regarding countless societal and cultural traditions as well as economic, governing, policing and civil rights changes.

Culturally like movie theater going, restaurant going, professional and amateur sports going, music concert attending, convention and holiday event attending, shopping, etc, etc.

Then there's travel both domestic and foreign, tourism changes, the hotel/motel industry changing everywhere.

Government structure, powers and policy changes, constitutional rights changes, police and law enforcement changes.

Drastic foreign policy and immigration changes. 

Economic, job and career shifts. Family dynamic and priority shifts. 

Fear of even going outside and of getting even the basic survival needs and items.

Schooling our children. What to do with them when they are ordered to stay home 24/7? Even restricting their activities outside the home?

It's like an enormous unexpected tsunami or other natural disaster has hit us and we are just trying to figure things out in the immediate moment.

It's going to take incredibly mature, intelligent, and reasoned leadership to lead us through this entire life effecting and changing event. 

Especially if it gets so bad law and order breaks down.

Just the one major city confined hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans 15 years ago saw older convalescent patients left to die, police abandoning their duties, armed vigilante citizen groups confronting fleeing residents and turning them away from certain areas, etc.

Our local governments from city to county to state as well all of our private citizen and religious organizations from every social economic, age and agenda area are going to have to step up and work together like they never have before and pull out all the stops in helping us all get through this in a sane and responsibly organized yet tolerant and hopeful way.

We are ALL in this together.

All economic class, ethnic, religious and gender lines will have to be suspended.

25 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

We've been under military rule since 1963 as what's known

as a limited police state. We may soon be a full police state.

Yes. 

How many different police agencies do we have right now?

Employing millions.

Wonder who chooses these questions and has the final say as to which ones to insert into the application?