Michael Clark

I'll have a look..

It's amazing. People come out of the woodwork to testify regarding LHO; Yet Tippit hardly seems to have existed.

Thanks for the input Paul and Larry. I see that I ignored Paul's comment; that was inadvertent. I was distracted by Kirk, and needed time to think about a response for Paul. I am not a deep political thinker when it comes to real-time politics. After I posted my initial blurb, I wished I had not, and I hoped it would just go in-noticed. Not that I don't think it is true; It just requires a lot of background with regard to my perception of politics today. That perception is not worth much because it is only coherent to me; to others it is just more noise, static. What is simple to express is that I think we will end up with Pence as President, and I believe that was planned. I don't even have strong feelings about Pence one way or the other; I just have general distaste for Tea-Partiers. I also have a distaste for illegitimate means of achieving office. I have reservations, to say the least, about the legitimacy of the election. That, however, is a problem with the process, which is handled by the states. A New Yorker crying foul is wasting his breath with regard to the election process in the other 49 states.

The above represents, I believe, every mention of the name "Tippit" in Jack Ruby's testimony

I found another 80 pages of Jack Ruby testimony. More obfuscation and diversion: Mr. SPECTER. We have asked you if you ever knew him before, and now we're focusing on this. Mr. RUBY. Oh--"How many times did he come up to the club?"--that's something else. Also, somebody said that they saw Tippit, I, this Mr. Lane stated that he saw Tippit, myself, and Oswald at the club--so go ahead, I don't want to throw you off. Mr. SPECTER. Well, we will add a question there at that point, such as this: "Did you ever meet with Officer Tippit and Oswald at your club?" Mr. HERNDON. Do you want that "Oswald and" or "or"? Mr. SPECTER. Yes; we do. Use "and." Mr. RUBY. The first thing about that post office box--how do we know whether it's really authentic or the man had the box there or not? It could have been placed there at a later date? Mr. ALEXANDER. It was right, Jack. He had it. I saw the key myself and it had "X" number on the box. Mr. RUBY. How come it never come out before then? Why didn't it come out still before that? Mr. ALEXANDER. It did. Mr. RUBY. No; it didn't come out until a long time until just recently. Bla bla bla.... And a little later: Mr. HERNDON. "Did you shoot Oswald in order to save Mrs. Kennedy the ordeal of a trial?" Mr. RUBY. Yes. Mr. HERNDON. "Did you know Officer Tippit?" Mr. RUBY. This is off the record for a minute, please? Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Ruby, I think it would be unwise for us to go off the record on this question. Mr. RUBY. Well, all right. There were three Officer Tippits in the police department. I only knew one. Mr. SPECTER. Was that Officer J. D. Tippit? Mr. RUBY. He's the one who was slain? Mr. SPECTER. Yes--Officer J. D. Tippit? Mr. RUBY. No; I don't think he was the one. Mr. SPECTER. Did you know Officer Tippit who was slain? Mr. RUBY. No; I don't know him. You see, I know so many officers and there are three Tippits, but I know one Tippit, and which one that is--if I would see him personally and see his physical features and knowing him---of course, I didn't have time to--I was incarcerated too soon to find out. Actually, the Tippit I knew, who worked at special service in the police department--you know which one I'm talking about, Bill? Mr. ALEXANDER. Yes; but that's not the one. Mr. RUBY. I don't know this Tippit. Mr. ALEXANDER. This boy had always been a radio patrolman. Mr. RUBY. Well, I don't know that I had ever seen this fellow before I had never seen him before. I may have seen him before but I didn't know him. Mr. HERNDON. Mr. Ruby, if I ask a question, "Did you know the Officer Tippit slain?" Can you reasonably answer that truthfully "Yes" or "No"? Mr. RUBY. No. Mr. HERNDON. I mean--you can answer it without any problem mentally? Mr. RUBY. Yes; that's what I mean. Mr. SPECTER. To state it differently, you are able to answer whether or not you knew Officer J. D. Tippit? Mr. RUBY. Well, I can't answer "Yes" or "No" and say whether or not. Mr. SPECTER. Well, I want to be sure that your last answer is responsive so that we are clear. Mr. RUBY. Well, I gave the answer "No." Mr. ALEXANDER. Let's put it this way---"Did you know the Tippiit that was killed?" Mr. RUBY. Repeat that question? Mr. HERNDON. "Did you know the Tippit that was killed?" Mr. RUBY. No. ---------------------------- . HERNDON. "Did you ever meet with Oswald and Officer Tippit at your apartment?" Mr. RUBY. No. Mr. HERNDON. Here again the Officer Tippit is the one we're talking about that was killed. Mr. RUBY. Right. Mr. HERNDON. All right, Mr. Ruby, those are the questions and we will proceed on those. Mr. SPECTER. Fine. Let's proceed with this series. Mr. ALEXANDER. What was that last question? Mr. HERNDON. "Did you ever meet with Oswald and Officer Tippitt at your apartment?" Mr. SPECTER. Let the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have left the room. Mr. HERNDON. Do you feel all right now, Mr. Ruby? Mr. RUBY. Yes. ------------------------------ And Lie detector questions: Mr. HERNDON. "Did you know the Tippit that was killed?" Mr. RUBY. "No." Mr. HERNDON. "Did you tell the truth about relaying the message to Ray Brantley to get McWillie a few guns?" Mr. RUBY. "Yes." Mr. HERNDON. "Did you go to the assembly room on Friday night to get the telephone number of KLIF?" Mr. RUBY. "Yes." Mr. HERNDON. "Did you ever meet with Oswald and Officer Tippit at your club?" Mr. RUBY. "No." Mr. HERNDON. That completes that series. I will release that pressure and you can now relax.

Steve Thomas asked: "Was Ruby ever asked if he knew Tippit?" In the 59 pages Of Jack Ruby testimony that I have (there has to be more), Tippits name comes up 10 times. Jack Ruby is allowed to obfuscate and dodge the question: Mr. RANKIN. Did you know Officer Tippit? Mr. RUBY. I knew there was three Tippits on the force. The only one I knew used to work for the special services, and I am certain this wasn't the Tippit, this wasn't the man. Mr. RANKIN. The man that was murdered. There was a story that you were seen sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that? ------------------- Mr. Ruby. .....As far as Tippit, it is not Tippitts, it is not Tippitts it is Tippit. Mr. RANKIN. This Weissman and the rich oil man, did you ever have a conversation with them? Mr. RUBY. There was only a few. Bill Rudman from the YMCA, and I haven't seen him in years. And there is a Bill Howard, but he is not a rich oil man. He owns the Stork Club now. He used to dabble in oil. Chief Justice WARREN. This story was given by a lawyer by the name of Mark Lane, who is representing Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and it was in the paper, so we subpenaed him, and he testified that someone had given him information to the effect that a week or two before President Kennedy was assassinated, that in your Carousel Club you and Weissman and Tippit, Officer Tippit, the one who was killed, and a rich oil man had an interview or conversation for an hour or two. And we asked him who it was that told him, and he said that it was confidential and he couldn't tell at the moment, but that he would find out for us if whether he could be released or not from his confidential relationship. He has never done it, and we have written him several letters asking him to disclose the name of that person, and he has never complied. Mr. RUBY. Isn't that foolish? If a man is patriotic enough in the first place, who am I to be concerned if he wasn't an informer. I am incarcerated, nothing to be worried about anyone hurting me. Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Ruby, I am not questioning your story at all. I wanted you to know the background of this thing, and to know that it was with us only hearsay. But I did feel that our record should show that we would ask you the question and that you would answer it, and you have answered it. Mr. RUBY. How many days prior to the assassination was that? and on and on, obfuscating, avoiding........ 11 more pages and Tippit is not mentioned again. --------------------------------- Steve Thomas wrote: "Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit moonlighted at Austin’s, working security on weekends. The Staff Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations reads “that he [Cook] had employed Tippit at the time of the assassination ‘as a deterrent’ to any teenage trouble from youths who frequented the establishment.”" In Ralph Paul's 71 pages of WC testimony, J.D. Tippit's name is mentioned 4 times, as follows: Mr. HUBERT. Did (Jack Ruby)'he say anything about Tippit? Mr. PAUL. No, sir; I didn't know nothing about Tippit. I didn't know nothing about Tippit. Mr. HUBERT. He didn't tell you? Mr. PAUL. No; he didn't tell me anything about Tippit.

Testimony of Kay Olsen http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/olsen_k.htm Mrs. OLSEN. We went to the parking lot; we used to go over there and talk to Johnny. Mr. SPECTER. Johnny who? Mrs. OLSEN. I don't know. Mr. SPECTER. Where is the parking lot located? Mrs. OLSEN. Right behind the Carousel Club; across the street on-- what street would that be? Mr. SPECTER. Akard? Mrs. OLSEN. Akard? Mr. SPECTER. Jackson and Akard? Mrs. OLSEN. Jackson. Mr. SPECTER. Was that at the intersection of Jackson and Akard? Mrs. OLSEN. No. Jackson and the next street down. What was that? Field Jackson and Field. And we sat in there and we talked. Mr. SPECTER. How long did you talk to Johnny? Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, quite a while. Mr. SPECTER. Was anybody else there at that time? Mrs. OLSEN. Not that I remember; no. And we were sitting there; it was late, and that's when Jack Ruby drove by. Mr. SPECTER. What time did he drive by? Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, I can't be positive on these times. Mr. SPECTER. About what time? Mrs. OLSEN. I guess around 1. Mr. SPECTER. Did he stop? Mrs. OLSEN. Yes. We waved, and he stopped. He stopped at a red light and pulled in and he came in and sat in the car and talked to us for quite a while. Mr. SPECTER. How long did that conversation last? Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, I guess an hour or so at least. -------------- Mr. SPECTER. Did Mr. Olsen know Officer Tippit? Mrs. OLSEN. He said he did. Mr. SPECTER. Did he know him well? Mrs. OLSEN. He said he had never been over to his house or anything, he just seen him in the locker room, you know. ------------------ Mr. SPECTER. After Mr. Ruby left what did you and Mr. Olsen do next? Mrs. OLSEN. We came home to my house. Mr. SPECTER. What time did you arrive at your house? Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, let me see. It was kind of late, I guess around 3. Mr. SPECTER. What did you do next? Mrs. OLSEN. I guess I went to bed.

Also according to Ralph Paul.... http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/paul.htm Mr. HUBERT. What about the gun, did he keep that on his person? Mr. PAUL. It's a funny thing about the gun--he would always carry it in a bag, in a deposit bag, a money bag. Mr. HUBERT. A canvas bag, and---- Mr. PAUL. Unless he went some place special, because he always said somebody might want to beat him up. Mr. HUBERT. What do you mean by "some place special"--like what? Mr. PAUL. Well, like if he was going out on a date or something, you know, I mean he wouldn't carry the bag. I mean, if he went to a show or something, he wouldn't carry the bag. Mr. HUBERT. But he took his gun? Mr. PAUL. No; he left it in the bag. The only time he would carry the gun--the bag was if he wasn't going to no place or he went home if he went to eat, he would take it with him. Mr. HUBERT. The gun or the bag? Mr. PAUL. The bag with the gun. Mr. HUBERT. From his car? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. But yet he would leave it outside all night? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. In the car? Mr. PAUL. In the car. Mr. HUBERT. But let me see if I get this straight--if he was going to eat, he would go to his car, take the money out of the trunk---- Mr. PAUL. No; the bag. Mr. HUBERT. The bag--with the gun only? Mr. PAUL. The gun. Mr. HUBERT. He would leave the money there and take the bag with the gun, and then carried the gun in that fashion? Mr. PAUL. Yes, many times he would be driving my car, he would leave the bag and the money on the bottom and lock the car. Mr. HUBERT. And the gun would be in there with the bag and the money? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. But you say that there were occasions when he would take the gun alone, leaving the money behind, but the gun not in a holster, but in a bag? Mr. PAUL. But in a bag---so everybody thought he was carrying money. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know if he ever owned a holster? Mr. PAUL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see him carry the gun in a pocket or tucked in his waist? Mr. PAUL. No, sir; I never did. Mr. HUBERT. The only time you have ever seen him carry his gun was when he carried it in a bag? Mr. PAUL. In the bag.

Thank you Lawrence, but I am confused. He is saying that he saw these documents back in 1999, in the possession of Bill Clinton, but they were separate from the Yeltsin cache, and that they, presumably, were "new" documents at that time? Cheers, Michael

From the Testimony of Wanda Yvonne Hemlick Employee of Ralph Paul, an acquaintance of Jack Ruby. Employee at The Bull Pen http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/helmick.htm Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what happened? Will you tell us what happened?Mrs. HELMICK. Well, we were sitting there gossiping about something, I don't remember what, but we was teasing or aggravating Johnnie well, Paul you call him.Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Ralph Paul sitting there at the booth with you?Mrs. HELMICK. No, he was behind the counter, and Rose got up and went back there to do something, and she started talking to him, and the telephone rang, and she said, "It is for you. It is Jack."So he took the phone and he had been talking quite a while, and he said something. He either said, "Are you crazy? A gun?" or something like that, or he said something about a gun.Then he said, "Are you crazy?" But he did say something about a gun, and he asked him if he was crazy.Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did he talk on this telephone call?Mrs. HELMICK. He Just talked for about 5 minutes, I guess. It wasn't very long.Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear anything else that was said in the telephone conversation?Mrs. HELMICK. He said something about either he had a date with Tammi or Jack had a date with Tammi, and Jack wanted to talk to Ralph, and that is all I know.

More on Felix Rodriguez in this thread.

This thread ties in well with the current Che Guevara thread.

John Simkin wrote: "I thought it might be worth starting a thread on Anthony A. Poshepny (Tony Poe). He was closely associated with several people who I believe were involved in the assassination of JFK: Paul Helliwell, Ted Shackley, Carl E. Jenkins, David Sanchez Morales and Rafael 'Chi Chi' Quintero. Poshepny was born in Long Beach, California on 18th September, 1924. At the age of nine, he was accidentally shot in the stomach by his brother. It was feared he would die but he eventually recovered and at the age of 18 joined the United States Marines. Poshepny served in the Second Parachute Battalion and the 5th Marine Division and saw action at Iwo Jima where he was wounded in the right leg. Poshepny studied history at San Jose State University and after he graduated in 1950 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency. He was sent to South Korea where he served under John Singlaub. At the end of the Korean War Poshepny was sent to Thailand to work with Walt Kuzmak, the head of the Sea Supply Corporation, a shipping company in Bangkok. Sea Supply and Civil Air Transport (CAT), a Taiwan-based airline, were established by Paul Helliwell as secret CIA companies. It was Helliwell's idea to use them to raise money to help support Chaing Kai-shek. According to Joseph Trento (Prelude to Terror): "Through Sea Supply, Helliwell imported large amounts of arms for the KMT soldiers to keep the Burmese military from throwing them out of the country. The arms were ferried into Burma on CAT airplanes. CAT then used the "empty" planes to fly drugs from Burma to Taiwan, Bangkok, and Saigon. There the drugs were processed for the benefit of the KMT and Chiang Kai-shek's corrupt government on Taiwan." In 1958 Poshepny was involved in the effort to overthrow the Sukarno government of Indonesia. He then joined the project to train and insert dissident groups into Tibet. Poshepny also helped to organise the escape of the Dalai Lama from Tibet in 1959 In March, 1961, Poshepny was sent to Laos, where he worked longside General Vang Pao and his Hmong followers. Three years later he married the niece of Touby Ly Foung, a prominent Hmong leader. He was badly wounded in 1965 but he later returned to duty. Poshepny later admitted that he collected enemy ears, dropped decapitated human heads from the air on to the enemy and stuck heads on spikes. A friend, Philip Smith, argued: "The posting of decapitated heads obviously sent a powerful message, especially to North Vietnamese troops seeking to invade the homelands of the Hmong and Lao people. He successfully fought terror with terror. He strove to instill courage and respect in the tribal and indigenous forces that he recruited and trained as well as fear in the enemy." Poshepny told Roger Warner (Shooting at the Moon): "I used to collect ears... I had a big, green, reinforced cellophane bag as you walked up my steps. I'd tell my people to put them in, and then I'd staple them to this 5,000 kip (Lao currency) notice that this ear was paid for already, and put them in the bag and send them to Vientiane with the report.. I still collected them, until one day I went out on an inspection trip... and I saw this little Lao kid out there, he's only about 12, and he had no ears. And I asked: `'What the hell happened to this guy?' Somebody said, 'Tony, he heard you were paying for ears. His daddy cut his ears off. For the 5,000 kip' ''. In 1966 Ted Shackley was placed in charge of the CIA secret war in Laos. He appointed Thomas G. Clines as his deputy. He also took Carl E. Jenkins, David Sanchez Morales, Rafael 'Chi Chi' Quintero, Felix I. Rodriguez and Edwin Wilson with him to Laos. According to Joel Bainerman (Crimes of a President) it was at this point that Shackley and his "Secret Team" became involved in the drug trade. They did this via General Vang Pao, the leader of the anti-communist forces in Laos. Vang Pao was a major figure in the opium trade in Laos. To help him Shackley used his CIA officials and assets to sabotage the competitors. Eventually Vang Pao had a monopoly over the heroin trade in Laos. In 1967 Shackley and Clines helped Vang Pao to obtain financial backing to form his own airline, Zieng Khouang Air Transport Company, to transport opium and heroin between Long Tieng and Vientiane. Poshepny was later sent to Nam Yu where he was responsible for sending intelligence teams into China. In 1970 Poshepny replaced Jack Shirley as head of training at Phitscamp in Thailand. He stayed until he closed the camp in 1974. He retired from the CIA in 1975 but remained in Thailand for the next fifteen years. Anthony A. Poshepny died on 27th June, 2003, and is buried in Sonoma, California."

Testimony of Officer Harry Olson http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/olsen_h.htm

Good stuff Michael. I'd challenge you to quote me on farting around and not cariring but I do fear that there might be something in my past posts that might resemble such a statement. If so, I do not stand behind that sentiment. But, to be sure, I am not talking about a command center. I am talking about a make-shift conference call to deal with a situation, and get stories straight. A read of Crafard's, Senator's, Ruby's, Olsen's and Olsen's (soon-to-be) wife raises questions and demands answers, even if speculative, to the reader. Surely, Michael, you don't think that Jack Ruby played no part in the conspiracy? Cheers, Michael

I'm glad that I didn't ask. I'm sensitive and paranoid, in my NY way, about things like that.

Chris, I understood, from Castro's testimony, that no America would get such a visa on a walk-in basis. I understand that a known asset might be an exception, but the MC LHO's bad atitude was really not the point.

I really like that phraseology.

Tommy, If you were one to answer questions, I would ask if you had read Castro's testimony.

Acknowledged, I'll just read and maybe I'll get my head around it.

Help me out Tommy. I'm trying to follow you. I respect what I believe is your effort to make a point without trying to be overly speculative. Your previous post, one loooooooong sentence, was difficult for me to trace my way through. Are you saying that Soviet intelligence personnel were trying to decide whether to let LHO have a transit visa to the USSR, via Cuba?

Tommy, I believe Castro's HSCA testimony, and Duran's statements, as well as the account of DAP, that there was absolutely no way that the DAP LHO was going to get a plane ticket to Cuba, even as a stopover on a transit visa. Castro's testimony holds the greatest veracity on this point, IMO. Therefore, there would be no Russians vetting LHO at that time, to decide whether to let LHO on a plane to Cuba. The best evidence, as I see it, following David Josephs, is that the DPD LHO did not go to MC in the 10-1-63 time frame.

To be sure, LHO's diary is isolated from the Yeltsin Papers. They are separate sources that agree with one-another. That is as good as gets when you are limited to two sources.

Well, at least now we have LHO's diary, assassination-era documents from the USSR and Paul Trejo. If we could now get the FBI, CIA, ONI, MI5, Mossad, Stazi, and Paul Trejo's source to cough up the family jewels, we might be on to something.