Michael Clark

Thanks Cliff, looking forward to it. Please reserve the first response in that thread if that suits you. Cheers, Michael

Cliff, 'C'mon! Be the MCee at the new thread...

Paul, Sorry for two answers but, generally speaking, he was "part of the plot". Even a patsy is "part of the plot". Cheers, Michael

Paul, That is too speculative right now; I don't really have a theory about what LHO thought was going on, and what he thought that he was supposed to do, when he went to work that morning. I believe that he knew there was going to be an attempt on JFK. His part in the attempt and what he thought his part in the attempt was going to be may have been different from one-another. Gut-feeling? He wasn't going to kill Kennedy; nor did he want to see Kennedy killed. For the purposes of this thread, as I want to present it, it doesn't matter. Cheers, Michael

Likewise, I don't want to give too much credit to Poppy. I use him as a synecdoche for Old Money folks who wanted JFK dead. Cheers, Michael

I don't want to give too much credit to Nixon; I use him as a synecdoche for the politicians who wanted JFK dead. Cheers, Michael

Cliff, I, presently, believe that the assassins were Anti-Castro Cubans, sheep-dipped as Communist Cubans. The DPD and the mob, via Jack Ruby, handeled the on-the-ground needs of the cover-up, while LBJ and Hoover handeled the top-level work. Poppy and Co., like Nixon and Co. handled the money-brokers and the power(legislative)-brokers. Cheers Michael

Cliff, I have not read Lifton's book. If you have, please draw us back to the substance of that book. Cheers Michael

Cliff, I opened a new thread so that this one might remain on-topic. Cheers, Michael

Members, Another thread was getting off-topic, so I thought I would open this one. I am expecting that a research paper from another member will show up here. Cheers, Michael ••••edit.... I'm just dropping this off here so I don't have to bump the thread: ****edit.. dropping another link Edit**** dropping another link so I don't have to bump this thread http://www.madcowprod.com/2014/08/19/the-cia-double-dip-drugs-financial-fraud-in-st-petersburg/

Cliff, ships and planes were, and increasingly would, run amuck from then-on. That short hop was and would become increasingly less valuable and increasingly more visible and obvious. And I repeat myself, our players had no interest in bringing dark, Spanish-Speaking catholic folk, 90 miles away, into the heart of the nascent new world order. They had an even far greater interest in keeping the Mafia from having control of it all, and them. So, no, I don't think that the fear of a nuclear war kept us from invading Cuba. I believe they had all the cards to make that happen, while possibly risking the loss of Berlin. 90 miles didn't mean much then when a ton of cocaine or heroin could fit in, I don't know what, but it couldn't take up that much space. Cheers, Michael

Thanks again Cliff, that's as deep and dark as it gets. The General gist has not been lost on me. Also, I am very much enjoying our digression; yet it is a digression. I would be glad to follow this to another thread. That said, I don't think that maintaining a Cuba-vectored throughofare for drugs was important, nor desirable, to the 11-22-63 hit. Alternatives to that thoroughfare could be more transient, discreet and efficient. Alternate vectors could cut-out the Mafia. Also, a banana Republic style system of slavery would be too apparent in Cuba. So I think Cuba was sacrificed, in fifty years of darkness, to the alternatives for such interests. Cheers, Michael

Cliff, To be sure, Poppy, at 39, didn't have the juice to conduct the whole show in Dallas, in 1963. Cheers, Michael

Cliff, thank you sir. I will do that. Cheers, Michael

Cliff, thanks. That pops-up like whack-a-mole. Poppy has managed to steer-clear of Mob connections, on the surface anyway. Cheers, Michael

Thanks Cliff, there's a lot to unwrap in what you have posted. I'll dig in. By "winners" I am referring to one of my two factions in my working theory of a Far-Right/Industrial faction double-crossing an Anti-Castro Cuban/Mob faction. The Anti-Castro Cuban/Mob faction lost; They didn't get Cuba, the Casino's or their old drug-hub back. Cheers, Michael

Yup, they would have been told: "whatchagonnadoaboutit?", or, "we'll get to the Cuba thing after Vietnam".

I'll be adding points to this thread in support of my theory. -My theory explains the Mexico City shenanigans. ----- Why go through the trouble of building an LHO trail to Mexico City and then discredit, obfuscate, abandon or not use it? The Mexico City caper served to bolster confidence in the Cuban conspirators that LHO would turn-up, probably dead, at Dealy Plaza as part of a pro-Castro, Communist conspiracy, that would ignite the Cuba war. When the evidence of MC actually turned-up, it wasn't Oswald, the pictures were of a blonde-guy. If LHO had made his way to MC at any time, and got in front of cameras, pictures of him could be used If necessary. As it turned-out, the double-cross plan got the green light, and no photos of Lee at the consulates were produced. Cheers, Mike

That is what I have read.... she made that decision.

I have seen reports suggest that Russian disinformation agents have been sewing discord among the Right and The Left in the United Stated. That would agree with what I see at street level.

Hi Cliff, while searching this issue, I have seen your posts regarding the drug trade as it related to my working pet-theory. I am thinking that the Far-Right and Indurial and oil concerns were not interested in the drug trade angle at that time. I think that the Mafia got left in the cold on that. I assume you have a solid basis for your assertion that Castro's Cuba was a drug hub. I find that surprising. To be sure, I have not yet delved into that being a possibility. It seems to me that drug hubs can, and probably should be shifted around. My limited knowledge tells me that those hubs did, over the next decades, shift around, quite a bit (Montreal, Arkansas?). So, no I think that if the drug angle did have a play in the decision making, the results would testify that the winners were glad to see a drug-hub develop somewhere other than Cuba. Cheers, Michael

Yes, the anti-Castro Cubans wanted a war to free Cuba, The Far-Right and Industrialists wanted war in Vietnam. The Far-Right and Industrialists had no interest in being cosy with dark, Spanish-Speaking, Catholic Cubans, nor were they interested in giving off-shore resorts and Casinos back to the mob, so The AC Cubans and mob got double-crossed with the LN scenario. It can explain why evidence for LHO in MC was generated, but obfuscated, buried and confused, after the fact. But, I am repeating myself here. I have opened another thread on this. Cheers, Michael

Sandy, the way that this is unfolding for me is not so much that the evidence is pointing me to the theory, but the theory is making more sense of the evidence. I have a list of supporting circumstances but I am much more interested in seeing if others pick-up the same nuggets that I am finding, or find other nuggets that I have not found yet myself. Cheers, Michael

Agreed. My working theory is that a the Dealy Plaza tactical group were Anti-Castro Cubans who were sheep-dipped and credentialed as Communist Cubans. An unveiled Communist Conspiracy would lead to a Cuban invasion. The Cubans were double-crossed by right wing industrial interests who wanted the Vietnam War, 10,000 miles away, with no risk of a nuclear war.