Michael Clark

My current thinking is that all tactical Dealy Plaza perps had to be Anti-Castro Cubans who had been sheep-dipped as, and holding credentials as being Communist Cubans. Of course, they would not have been taken alive. This supports my working pet-theory found here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/23710-did-the-oil-armaments-guys-double-cross-the-anti-castro-cubans/

Thanks Ray, interesting read.

I am convinced that Craig wished that he was in Antarctica with Fletcher Prouty that week. I don't see him falsely interjecting himself in anything at all. Cheers, Michael

I am seeing Mr. Lifton on line. Bumping in case he cares to comment. Cheers Michael

Deleted, not enough info.

Thanks Jim, After putting my handwriting analysis hat on top of my Russian penmanship hat, (I felt kind of silly), I concluded that LHO did not write CE 1. Cheers, Michael

Jim, do you have any idea if CE 1 was made public early-on? https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_1.pdf Cheers, Michael

This could be accomplished in an 8 hour day.

Fascinating thread. And, according to Tim, it sounds like a fascinating period of time on this forum. Looks like a good place to dig around. Cheers, Michael

A couple hours, and a couple years late. Rest In peace. I think that we are getting there, Sir.

I am thinking that this theory could help explain Watergate, if Nixon was a Prime-Mover in the double-cross. It seems likely that Nixon, early-on, was involved with Mafia concerns as well as Cuban interests. He may actually have been cought in the middle when the double-cross plan showed-up, immediately after the assassination. The Cubans were probably held at bay through the LBJ Presidency, being told that Cuba would happen after Vietnam. They got impatient when they started to see that there was very little huger in America for another war, in Cuba, and they showed-up in the White-House, as Watergate perps, to light a fire under Nixons toosh, hoping to get him to move on Cuba. ------------------------------ links: James Edwards who's who page: hosted by Martin eaglsham http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Who/ http://www.manuscriptservice.com/FFiDP-2/

This question popped into my head: Did all the players get what they wanted? I am suggesting no. I am suggesting that there were two general factions working together and one of them got double-crossed. I am suggesting that there was an anti-Castro Cuban / Mafia faction involved and they got double-crossed by a Far-Right / Industrial faction. The Cubans and The Mafia wanted a war in Cuba. The Indutrialists wanted a war in Vietnam. Neither of them were going to get what they wanted with JFK. The Cubans believed that the plan was to blame a pro-Castro Cuban / Communist conspiracy for the JFK hit, and Cuba would be invaded. The industrialists (Oil, Aircraft, Oil, Ships, Oil) wanted Vietnam, 10,000 miles away. They were not interested in being close and cosy with a bunch of dark, Catholic, Spanish-speaking neighbors; nor were they interested in giving the Mafia their off-shore tourist-traps, casinos and drug-hubs. So, the Anti-Castro Cuban/ Mafia faction got double-crossed. How was it pulled-off? By the myth of a lone-nut, white, American malcontent, with no real connection to Cuba, being accused of assassinating the President. LHO was a dirty trick. Cheers, Michael

Like Lee NOT taking out JFK on Houston?

I just learned that the Two Oswalds notion has a long and rich history. I just read this fascinating thread, in which, it is shown that Jim Garrison (JG) was already, apparently, treating it as a foregone conclusion. "The facts are these: On a Sunday morning JG called me at my Mill Valley home. He was staying at an airport hotel in Los Angeles and wanted me to catch a plane so we could "brainstorm" some things. One of them, it turned out, was the variance in height between the "Oswald" in the Soviet Union and the American one. As I was prepasring to fly back to San Francisco, JG asked if I would accompany Boxley, who was with him, on some interviews the ffollowing day. I agreed to go along because it is desirable to have two on interviews and there was no one else available in Los Angeles." P.6 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/5333-angel-murgado-angelo-kennedy/&page=6

No need for a shady Mob club owner to have to swoop in and shoot the patsy while he is under police guard. I think the 2 day lag in taking-out LHO changed history, mightily. We would be a far less suspicious and sceptical people. CTers might be few and far between. Cheers, Michael

"The so-called "Lopez Report," written by staffers Dan Hardway and Edwin Lopez, had a number of redactions removed in 2003. These included "CIA A" (Daniel Flores aka Luis Aparacio), "CIA B" (Thomas Keenan), "CIA F" (Robert Zambernardi), LICHANT/1's true name (Manuel Carvillo), and the previously blacked-out crypts ZRSOLO and ZRJOINT. It also revealed the name of a Mexico City CIA Chief of Station, Larry Sternfield. Many redactions remain." https://history-matters.com/archive/contents/hsca/contents_hsca_lopezrpt_2003.htm Mark, I assume that more, if not all redactions will be removed in October, If you can wait. Cheers, Michael

Sandy, I saw you working on this and I was looking for what are called TROMs, or Tabular Record Of Movements for a given ship. I am familiar with that term from researching WW2 Imperal Japanese Navy ships. I have not fond an equivalent archive for USN ships but I am sure it must exist.

Ruth and Liddy, from this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/9146-g-gordon-liddy-and-marathon-oil—1962-to-1963/ I only have some sketchy information that has started taking foggy shape in the Wayback Machine on this at the moment, but it was such a head-turning curiosity to me that I felt I ought to at least get this topic started, hoping and believing that it is going to grow significantly. G. Gordon Liddy was in the FBI from 1957 until September 1962, and prior to resigning in September 1962 had been involved in COINTELPRO. In his autobiography, "Will," he leaps from 1962 to 1965 with hardly a nod to anything in between except Too Much Information about the rhythm method, birth control pills, the Catholic religion in relation to all of that, and his crisis of faith. Before getting into the little bit of substantive data he does let slip out, let me mention that in a sworn deposition, Liddy moved his resignation from the FBI an entire year, claiming that it was September 1963 instead of September 1962. Oh, what a difference a year makes. When Liddy "resigned" from the FBI in September of 1962, he went to work at this father's law firm, which recently had moved from we-know-not-where to Wall Street in New York City. And one of Sylvester Liddy's clients was Marathon Oil. Liddy is extremely cagey and vague about dates during this period. Efforts are being made to get records that will open this up, and any information that can be supplied on this by anyone will be invaluable. But here are a few interesting coincidences in time and place leading up to Liddy's pretty thoroughly unexplained "resignation" from the FBI: On 3 August 1962, the CIA's Louis "Jolly" West, of the Department of Psychiatry, Neurology, and Behavioral Sciences at the University of Oklahoma School of Medicine, killed an elephant with a massive dose of LSD. On 5 August 1962, Marilyn Monroe was found dead, purportedly a suicide. On 13 August 1962, a congressional hearing was held regarding Ruth Hyde Paine's brother-in-law John Lindsay Hoke, associated with the CIA front organization, Agency for International Development (AID). Ruth Hyde Paine's father, William Avery Hyde, was in some way also connected with AID (but little information can be found on his role with AID). The hearings were over financial improprieties in a project of boat development between AID and Hoffman Electronics Corporation of California under circumstances which Congressman Hardy described as "collusion." On 21 August 1962, the CIA granted an Approval for Liaison by CIA Engineering Staff with John Lindsey Hoke, who had been cleared for classified information up to and including Top Secret since 19 April 1954. On 27 August 1962, George De Mohrenschildt sent a chart of Haiti and surrounds from Port-au-Prince, Haiti, to a Mr. Raigorodsky of Dallas, Texas, marked with various claims of development DeMohrenschildt purportedly was planning. Although the chart doesn't say so, DeMohrenschildt was in league with Clemard Joseph Charles at the time. On or about 1 September 1962, G. Gordon Liddy retired from the FBI and went to work for his father's law firm on Wall Street in New York City, where he would remain, primarily, into sometime in 1965—bracketing the Kennedy assassination. And one of the accounts of the firm at the time was Marathon Oil. On Tuesday, 25 September 1962, CIA's Mrs. Van Sast called Naval Intelligence wanting to know John Lindsay Hoke's Top Secret "clearance and basis." On Tuesday, 25 September 1962, an article about John Lindsay Hoke appeared in the Washington Daily News titled "AID Official Has Wings Clipped." The article simply charged that Hoke has been alleged to have been planning to "make personal profit from" a venture for AID. On Friday, 28 September there was this CIA notation regarding Ruth Hyde Paine's brother-in-law John Lindsay Hoke: "EAB card reflects on September 28, 1962, Subject's Security Officer advised that SAC was cleared for access to classified information up to and including Top Secret." On Friday, 9 November 1962, the Assistant United States Attorney, Frederick G. Smith, quietly declined to prosecute John Lindsay Hoke, saying that the violations of federal law by Hoke were "merely of a technical nature." Okay, I've just got to stop right there. Don't you love the way these scum operate? If the Hoke Joke doesn't rip open the whole squirming bag-o-maggots that is Washington, D.C. for you, check to see if your breath will fog a mirror. Now, there's lots else going on around all of this, but these are some of the very interesting things surrounding G. Gordon Liddy's rather sudden and unexplained "resignation" from the FBI (and COINTELPRO) to go off to the Big Apple and work with Daddy Liddy on Wall Street in Daddy's law firm—which had Marathon Oil as one of its clients. Of course, also there in New York City on Wall Street at the time was the investment firm of Train, Cabot and Assossiates—CIA front for WUSALINE and the WUBRINY operations tied to Thomas James Devine and George H.W. Bush. And it is while G. Gordon Liddy is working there on Wall Street that Clemard Joseph Charles and George DeMohrenschildt are known to have been in New York City in April 1963, including their visit to Train, Cabot, after which Clemard Joseph Charles met with vice president of Chase Manhattan Bank Jerry W. Johnston and secured a loan of $1 million dollars—as long as it was backed by the CIA front AID (who Ruth Hyde Paine's father and brother-in-law BOTH were working for at the time). And who else was in New York City during this fertile period in 1963? James McCord, of CIA's Manhattan Field Office. In fact, there are some indications that McCord may even have been the "Special Agent In Charge" of the Manhattan Field Office. And I'm going to leave this here at the moment, except to say that one of the offshoots of this little research investigation is a trip G. Gordon Liddy took sometime in 1963 to Ohio and trips to Washington, D.C., puportedly on the Marathon Oil account. And while this is still being narrowed down, it's beginning to look like Liddy's little D.C. and Ohio trips very well might have coordinated awfully closely with Ruth Hyde Paine's little trip to Washington, D.C., to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and to Ohio between 24 August and 10 September 1963. And if that's not scary enough, look at this little section of timeline: On Thursday, 22 August 1963, the CIA again granted an Approval for Liaison with John Lindsay Hoke "on a continuing basis," reaffirming his clearance for classified information "up to and including Top Secret." Three days later, on Sunday, 24 August 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine traveled to Baltimore, Maryland, then the next day to Washington, D.C. "to stay with sister." And "sister" happens to be Sylvia Hyde Hoke—who has a CIA-blessed secret clearance from AID, and whose husband is John Lindsay Hoke. Five days later, on Thursday, 29 August 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine left the Hokes and went to Paoli, Philadelphia, just outside Philadelphia, to "wait for" her father would will join her there. Her father, of course, is William Avery Hyde, also of AID. On 10 September 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine left Paoli for Ohio to see "relatives and friends." Also in Ohio is the headquarters of Marathon Oil—where G. Gordon Liddy was afoot around this time.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_1.pdf http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/other/yeltsin/html/Yeltsin_0021a.htm https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_1.pdf I would Say that LHO did not write CE 1, If LHO wrote the letter requesting citizenship in Russia. This letter was handed to Clinton by Yeltsin in 1992; assuming I have the facts straight.

A plan to settle this problem once and for all. It necessarily involves seating Gorsuch, but fixes the problem going forward. Agree to: - Not give Gorsuch a vote - Trump seats Gorsuch under the argument that the Senate waived its right to advise and consent on the matter - Argue this matter in the Supreme Court, with both parties arguing that The President's argument is correct. Done, the precedent is set that The Senate must act or lose the privilege of advice and consent. It's better than the so-called "Nuclear Option" being used or becoming the norm; or ever again having a nominee put off until after elections. Cheers, Michael

This is a small matter, but it was fresh on my mind from reading today so I thought I would mention it. 1994 Boris Yeltsin cave Billl Clinton a cache of Oswald and JFKA related papers. One of the documents explains that Oswald was given 5000 rubles and a 700 ruble per month allowance from the Red Cross and the Red Crescent. http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/other/yeltsin/html/Yeltsin_0008a.htm

Well done...

Tommy, I have no clue what your initial post to me here was about. I have no clue what the significance of your following posts were about. I was going along in what I thought was an amusing manner. Your a pretty cryptic guy. I assume that you like it that way. It's not my fault that I don't have any idea what you are talking about. Cheers, Michael

Like Paul B. Said, I never know where your coming from. Seems you weren't amused. That's unfortunate. Cheers, Michael

Cover story, imposed by your handlers. No-Tell-Tommy? Pfffffffft!