Michael Clark

When I try to map-locate the Carousel Lounge, I get 2 locations, for some reason. Going with the Carousel location near the corner of Field St. and Commerce St., the garage is just behind the Carousel at Field St. and Jackson St. This Jibes with what I recollect to be the testimony of George Senator and Larry Crafard. In my readings, I have focused in on the goings-on at the Carousel between Friday Morning and Saturday at around Noon. The Cast of characters are, Crafard, Ruby, Senator, Armstrong, perhaps the guy in the garage, and an anonymous girl who calls in to the club, asking about a job on Friday night at around 11PM. I am not sure, as yet, how to bring a patient reader around to seeing what I am, and I am not really prepared yet, to try. In the context of this thread, however, I'll say (tentatively) that Ruby's presence at the Friday night press conference was manufactured, with some video that could have been taped during quite a few other opportunities. This was done to hide his presence, elsewhere; some of that time being at the garage. Long (and as yet incomplete) story short, at 3 AM, Ruby, Senator and Crafard, make the strange picture taking trip around town, and get home at around daylight. Crafard later wakes-up, quits his job, and hitch hikes to a remote farmhouse in Michigan. Senator can't recall what he did until 8PM on Saturday. There are other strange details, or lies. Something very nefarious happned that night, between the Carousel, (incidentally with a phone busy for 4 hours), the garage, and Crafard's trip to Michigan, possibly with Senator giving him a head-start with a drive out of town. I am curious if the WC noted and tried to resolve the conflict of Ruby's presence on Friday at Midnight. Cheers, Mike

Bumping because it is interesting, and because it references another thread that I just posted to. The original thread is in the JFK online seminars forum. The testimony above, places Ruby at the Jackson and Field St. garage at midnight Friday, 12-22. Ruby is usually placed at the DPD at that time, using camera footage as evidence.

The timeline that opened this thread is gone or is just not appearing on my device. BK's October 27th post with timeline is missing most of October and all of November of 1963. Here is an interesting thread with some info. The WC testimony of officer Harry Olson places him at the Jackson at Field st. garage (behind the Carousel?). Olson says that he is at that garage at midnight on 11-22-63, with Jack Ruby. Ruby is usually placed at the police station at that time. Mr SPECTER. What was the purpose of going to a garage at Jackson and Field? Mr OLSEN. We knew the man who worked there. Mr SPECTER. What was his name? Mr OLSEN. Johnny is all I know him by. Mr SPECTER. What sort of work did he do at that garage? Mr OLSEN. He was an attendant. Mr SPECTER. Why did you want to go see him? Mr OLSEN. To talk. Mr SPECTER. For any special purpose? Mr OLSEN. No, sir. Mr SPECTER. Do you recollect about what time you arrived at that garage? Mr OLSEN. Oh, 12, approximately. Mr SPECTER. Did you see Johnny when you were there? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Did you see anybody else while you were at that garage? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Who else did you see? Mr OLSEN. Jack Ruby http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/3497-dpd-officer-harry-olsen/ Cheers, Mike

And George, how can we accept any analysis based on Zapruder if we know or believe that it has been altered? Cheers, Mike

George, I know that the Tague injury is often considered a ricochet, but if all things are open to speculation and analysis, given how many things are deemed altered or tampered with, I find it dufficult to let go of the idea that the bullet that hit the curb and injured Teague was actually a direct miss. I'll speculate that the curb bullet had too much residual energy to chip the curb, as it did, if it was a ricochet. If it was a Dal Tex bullet, it need not have been a ricochet to have hit where it did. If it was I ricochet, it would be remarkably unlikely to have, by chance, maintained an elevation that remained consistent with that of a bullet coming from the Dal Tex building and passing through JFK's approximate location. I don't know if that is clear, but I am essentially saying that a ricochet, upon hitting its deflector is a hare's breath from being stopped or deflected in any direction. To maintain any plane on its intended trajectory would seem to be a miracle. I have seen very little analysis regarding a Dal Tex shooter so I necessarily have little to go on. I did see one analysis that shows a direct line of fire from Dal Tex, through JFK's approximate location to the curb. To be sure, I am not arguing for anything. I am just indicating, more or less, what I haven't been able to take off the table. I find it unfortunate that Ashton Gray strayed from his initial "no neck shot" assertion to the conjecture that someone created the small neck wound. That could have been left for a separate argument. Cheers, Mike

I just looked into the density of some metals, and I am very surprised at how dense mercury is. Mercury: 13.69 per cubic cm lead: 11.34 " Coppeer: 8.96 " iron: 7.87 " James Files claim of the use of a mercury round in the JFK head shot makes a lot of sense, even if his claim to being the shooter is bogus. His claim to have made mercury rounds seemed suspect to me because it would seem that one would want a carefully engineered round for such an operation. You would want a mercury round designed to have a jacket with minimal materials, such that it would deliver the round to the target, yet be obliterated on impact. To be sure, I am not supporting the story of James Files. He could, however, have specific knowledge, from who knows who, as to where the grassy knoll shooter was situated, and what kind of round was used.

I think the right temple shot just fragmented, with no exit. Or as James Files claimed, a Mercury round that imparted tremendous force and dissipated. Or, as Oliver Stone-Jim Garrison claimed, a sabot round that was small but very high speed caused the explosive force. I am a hunter and am very impressed with what sabot rounds can do, both in power and accuracy, in both my muzzleloader and my rifled 12 gauge.

My take is constantly changing. I don't believe the SBT. I think Jim Tagues injury proves a Dal Tex shooter, it lines-up well. Very little interest is paid to the Dal Tex shooter and the building itself. Ashton Gray eliminates a throat shot which, like I said, resolves the problem I had with the overpass shooter, a neck shot would have passed straight through. Regardless of the ejecta from the front of JFKs head (front right) I can still accept a grassy knoll-stockade fence shot to JFK's head. I also see both JFK and Conally react simultaneously as soon as they come out from behind this sign, but that could still be two shots. thats kind of where I am at. I don't really accept a neck wound in Dealy plaza so I have to accept a lying Doctor and Nurse who claim to have seen it; then they did the tracheotomy. I never talk about this much because it seems irresolvable to me, but all the people at Parkland see a massive rear head wound that I just don't see on Zapruder. All I see in Zapruder is front right head damage. Others, here, YouTube etc. seem to say that they see a rear head blow out that I don't see.

Understood Michael. His theory resonated with me because I just can't see how anyone could get a shot off from the front, into JFK's neck. I never had an answer for that unless everyone on the overpass was a conspirator, and none were caught. I have always thought that the Zapruder film was correct but there is so much doubt that I don't know what to think of the film. Cheers, Mike

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Agreed, Phillips was, foremost, a propaganda and disinformation guy. To use that story, a novel, in an effort to piece together the story that DAP is trying to hide is....... I don't know how to put it. I will say, Paul, that if it didn't work with your Walker-did-it CT, I would bet that you would not have used DAP's Amlash Legacy. It really has no place here. DAP never admitted to being Maurice Bishop, something that you admit. Why use his Novel.? From Sparticus:: According to Larry Hancock, the author of Someone Would Have Talked, just before his death Phillips told Kevin Walsh, an investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations: "My final take on the assassination is there was a conspiracy, likely including American intelligence officers." (Some books wrongly quote Phillips as saying: "My private opinion is that JFK was done in by a conspiracy, likely including rogue American intelligence people.") Jeff Morley also confirms Kevin Walsh's statement: "I met Kevin a few times and liked him immediately for his frank and friendly style. He told me the remarkable story of how retired CIA officer David Atlee Phillips had confided to him his private view that JFK had been killed by a conspiracy “likely involving U.S. intelligence officers.” http://jfkfacts.org/rip-kevin-walsh-catalyst-for-jfk-disclosure/#more-2258

George, this thread is a worthy read with regard to your post. It doesn't clear things up but it struck a note with me and raised a lot of questions.

Oswald may very well have been hanging around inside or outside or both, and had some freedom of movement during that 15-20 minutes. He had already been cleared by Truly to officer Baker and he had directed another officer to a phone. The "he's alright" might have gone around a few times between officers as things were tightened-up and sorted out. He only drew attention to himself by the fact that he turned-up missing at some point, when Truly or Shelly identified him as the only missing employee,

You sound like the Grand Inquisitor, Paul. It's dark and ugly.

Paul Brancato wrote: Nuance ? How dare you? Marxist? What a limited, lines in the sand black and white world you live in. Nuance is something you have no clue about. To you left means Marxist. Wow. Grow up. --------------------------------------- I was wondering how that might shake-out. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of the American left hasn't a clue about Marxism. Who reads Marx? Who gathers with Marxist friends? I have a BA, circa 1993 from a NYS University Center, and I had to scratch and dig a bit just to come away with anything other than a nightly news understanding of Marxism, or Communism for that matter. Two years later came Windows 95 and Political Correctness and and very different world, In the streets and in schools. Free-porn and cyber-sex were the wave of the future. Karl Marx was, with Julius Ceasar, Machiavelli and Louis the XIV, stuff found In those things called books. For all his knowledge (and he deserves much respect) Paul does, at times, seem to paint a vase with a mop. That said, I'll return to the subject and the reason that I bumped this post. Wynne Johnsons story, and part 1 in the video series is perhaps a better place to start, is an extrodinarily charming story about 2 kids. The contrast with the historical crossroads that is the subject of the story is a phenomenal background to an interested party. The sharpest point of the story, and a point that Antonio Veciana does not state and cannot recall, it seems, is that the encounter took place in a specific place, The Southland Center. That is the historical nugget that is added to the LHO-DAP-AV story. Cheers, Mike

This is interesting enough for a bump. If some of the pics could be restored, that would be cool.

The question as to the year of the formation Jennifer's Juniors, by Zapruder and George De M's wife is volleyed-about in this thread and left unresolved. Could it be that one word, "formed" could be over adhered-to, when "acquired" or "purchased" or even "joined" might be what really happened? Just a thought.

Does anyone know where this other thread is?

I had wrote a short dialogue that was meant to be funny as well as make an observation. I deleted the dialogue and my observation is that: Prayer-man seems to be chatting with Frazier. That would make sense as LHO probably knew Frazier best at the TSBD. Fraziers body language speaks to me as well. As an aside, I was reading a thread discussing the future, at that time, of the PM thread. The "provenance" of the Darnell film was called into question with no follow-up. I may have missed it in one of the threads. Can someone explain the provenance issue? Also in that thread I saw that this is a research thread and I'll go to the appropriate thread to post from here out. Cheers

Carfard is an interesting subject, but we digress from the topic of this thread.

To be sure, Larry, says he was flirting with a the girl who called for the job. He wasn't in a position to hire, Jack Ruby would have done that. The hitch-hike adventure gives him several days for which obviously no substantiation could be given. I am surprised that there is not a thread on here for Larry Crafard. If there is one, then I missed it.

Lance, I did hyperbolize with my "literally thousands" comment. But the point stands. You make a point, however, that existing photos do tend to support the idea that few people had cameras on that day; perhaps that is why those photos survive. I never cease to confound myself with ideas like this. I am a sceptic, but I am not cynical, thank goodness. Unfortunately, I am not courageous, or at least I have not been tested. None of these inquires fools good, or safe; it's certainly not wise to talk to people you know about it. I should just surrender, buy a TV and a thousand-channel-cable-plan, and adopt a favorite professional sports team for each season. This stuff is murky and bewildering.

It's worth reading the WC testimony to get it all straight. A detail I'll add is the girl (not "coral"as I misspelled it) who spent hours on the phone with Crafard, said she was leaving on a bus in the morning, not saying where she was going, after calling about a job. The WC seemed to ask very few questions about all of this, except to ask "did she say what her measurements were?" (Paraphrased). ...... bizarre The "all-night" phone call is what interests me the most. If it is not true, it looks like a story to provide an explanation as to why the phone was busy for so long that night.