Michael Clark

i am looking for some good examples of time-line base presentations. I am collect some data that I find interesting. It surrounds several events of multiple characters and includes conflicts, in terms of times and location. I can read and make sense of it all because I am collecting it all. Just putting out concurrent timelines won't be very interesting for others but I am interested in sharing it all. So, If you have or know of some good examples, please share. Cheers, Mike

Paul may be referring to this. WC testimony of Larry Holmes Mr. BELIN. Anything else about Russia? Did he ever say anything about going to Mexico? Was that ever covered? Mr. HOLMES. Yes. To the extent that mostly about--well--he didn't spend, "Where did you get the money?" He didn't have much money and he said it didn't cost much money. He did say that where he stayed it cost $26 some odd, small ridiculous amount to eat, and another ridiculous small amount to stay all night, and that he went to the Mexican Embassy to try to get this permission to go to Russia by Cuba, but most of the talks that he wanted to talk about was how he got by with a little amount. They said, "Well, who furnished you the money to go to Mexico?" "Well, it didn't take much money." And it was along that angle, was the conversation. Mr. BELIN. Did he admit that he went to Mexico? Mr. HOLMES. Oh, yes. Mr. BELIN. Did he say what community in Mexico he went to? Mr. HOLMES. Mexico City. Mr. BELIN. Did he say what he did while he was there? Mr. HOLMES. He went to the Mexican consulate, I guess. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. BELIN. Now, with regard to this Mexican trip, did he say who he saw in Mexico? Mr. HOLMES. Only that he went to the Mexican consulate or Embassy or something and wanted to get permission, or whatever it took to get to Cuba. They refused him and he became angry and he said he burst out of there, and I don't know. I don't recall now why he went into the business about how mad it made him. He goes over to the Russian Embassy. He was already at the American. This was the Mexican--he wanted to go to Cuba.

I am speculating that Fritz has to have LHO inside, somewhere, with a cover story that he was having lunch. That's tough to do if he doesn't have a lunch. Certainly, people were questioned and we never heard about it. So the lunch wagon guy, or caterer, as Frazier put it, probably said that he didn't see LHO.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell him? Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package. I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?" He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch." Mr. BALL. Did Frazier ever tell you how long the package was? Mr. FRITZ. He just measured, told me about that long. Mr. BALL. Approximately how long? Mr. FRITZ. I am guessing at this, the way he measured, probably 26 inches, 27 inches, something like that. Too short for the length of that rifle unless he took it down, I presume he took it down if it was in there, and I am sure it was. Mr. BALL. Do you remember what time you--was it the way Frazier showed it to you--was it the size of a rifle that was broken down? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; it would be just about right.

Cool, thanks Alistair

Was wondering that myself. Then it looked to me like there is no real landing at the top, so I'm figuring it must open to the inside only. I am curious to hear the correct answer.

And, just as they are discussing where Oswald was, and what he was doing around the time of the assassination, Ball diverts to the tasty communist connection. Mr. BALL. But he said he had had lunch with Junior? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; and with someone else. Mr. BALL. Did you find out that there was an employee named Junior at the Texas School Book Depository? Mr. FRITZ. Probably we have it here, some of the officers probably did, we had all these people checked out. I didn't do it myself probably. Mr. BALL. That same morning, you asked him also about his affiliations, didn't you ask him if he belonged to the Communist Party?

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you what he was eating? Mr. FRITZ. He told me, I believe, that he had, I am doing this from memory, a cheese sandwich, and he also mentioned he had some fruit, I had forgotten about the fruit until I looked at this report.

I just located this from Will Fritz WC testimony. Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package. I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?" He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch." And Fraser's testimony... Mr. BALL - Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked like a lunch package that morning? Mr. FRAZIER - You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn't take his lunch because I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day. Mr. BALL - He told you that that day, did he? Mr. FRAZIER - Right. That is right. So, I assumed he was going to buy it, you know, from that catering service man like a lot of the boys do. They don't bring their lunch but they go out and buy their lunch there.

I'm not sure if this point was mentioned and isolated so I'll post it. Sorry if this is repeated. Fritz said that LHO told him that he had brought his lunch, and had it with him in the front seat or at his side while driving with Frazier. Frazier said that LHO did not bring a lunch with him. It seems clear to me who would be telling the truth here, and who would have a motive to lie. It seems to me like Frazier is telling the truth. Cheers, Michael

i already said that. .... no "Yes, Michael -- except......"

LeMay

A woman who knew Lee Harvey Oswald and George De Mohreschildt, Michael Paine (and wife) well. Wouldn't that be something?

Quote me, or I didn't say it.

Yet, perhaps, we will hear from Marina Nikoayevna Prusakova soon.

Thanks Jim, I am digging through old EF stuff.

No, but thank you Paul. I don't think I'll have much time for anything other than original sources at this point. Also, reading books will only contaminate my information as I gather it from the sources. I can always contaminate it later. What is amusing is that I am, involuntarily, developing a stage-play in my head. It's quite entertaining. It lends itself to a partial musical-angle as well. There is nothing like creative ardor that flows without having to force it. Cheers, Mike ***edit, to be sure, I am reading many articles and, obviously forum posts, so I can't claim that I am just reading original sources.

What list? Paul, If you were an admin who had serious concerns about my identity or intentions I would be glad to answer you. If this were a matter of friendly "hi, how ya doin. Nice to meet ya"' banter, I would, likewise have no problem answering your questions. As it is, however, you have posted a thread about the forum being "infiltrated" and you are now quizzing me on that thread. There is no chance that I'll be submitting to your questions under these circumstances. Have you looked at my profile, and read through my posts, and come up with anything to lead you to think that I am "infiltrator"? What is more, I recall defending you, not long ago, when someone suggested that you were a Marxist and subtly suggested that you were lyxxg about it. Do you recall that? Has the role of the Grand Inqusitor been handed off to someone else? To be sure I have stated twice, perhaps thrice, once in reply to YOUR inquiry, that I did not vote for a particular candidate. Rest assured I will never do that again. Cheers, Mike

From the above article: "In another of her stories, Kilgallen claimed that Marina Oswald knew a great deal about the JFK assassination. If she told the “whole story of her life with President Kennedy’s alleged assassin, it would split open the front pages of newspapers all over the world.” "Life Magazine also successfully negotiated with Marina Oswald the exclusive rights to her story. This story never appeared in print." ------------------- Perhaps we'll be hearing from Marina soon.

I think Paul, that people have come to believe that they can figure out what "school" a person comes from in just a few minutes, a short conversation, or what memes they give a "like" or repost. I kind of think that that is true, for the most part. I don't style myself as the "politically mysterious guy", I don't wave flags or banners, put bumper stickers on my car or repeat what talking heads are saying. I have always been politically ambiguous to myself and people around me. If I register in a party it is because I want to vote in that party's primary. Come Election Day, I vote for my choice of candidate. In today's political climate, asking someone where they get there news is like asking someone how they vote, how much they make, whether they pray and how they pray, etc. I don't ask and I don't answer those questions unless it is a friend, but a friend will already know those things. I am fine with being judged here on what topics I address and how I address them. I'm not ok with being judged by where I get my news or who I vote for. This forum is concerned with the JFK assassination. The garden variety politics I don't involve myself with, unless there is some relationship to the topic at hand. Rarely do I add my 2 cents if it does not have relevance to the forum subject. I think that is the way it should be. Cheers, Mike

Gambit declined.

Jack Ruby

Ray Mitcham wrote: "Wasn't there dispute over the chin of Oswald in the BY photos? Yes. And the whole "two Oswalds" debate carries similar arguments. One characteristic of the "other" Oswald is an ornery nature. I think the guy in the link I just posted fits that description IIRC. To be sure, one reason I posted this here is the guys ability to make his way down elevator shafts, especially if the power has been shut off, and if by chance the elevator is on the 7th floor of a 7 floor building. Cheers, Michael

I have no television. I watch no television. I have lived that way for many years with only a couple of brief exceptions. I know how clueless I come across to many people. Without television, or without following Bannon by reading his stuff or visiting his websites, it is more possible than you can imagine, to not have a clue as to what he is about. What people who watch TV cannot imagine is how clear it Is to me how much the MSM is dividing and tearing us apart. If I am one of the unnamed subjects of your post, I'll say how clear it is to me that many, nearly all people today, are not comfortable unless they can put someone in their left or right pocket. Avoiding TV as I do, I have not been radicalized one way other, so I don't fit in any pocket, right or left. Being a long time sceptic of the media, intelligence services and criminal administrations, I would applaud anyone who is successfull at knocking down and tearing apart the latter two entities that I just mentioned. I do wish that this administration would do something to minimize the fear felt by people on the left. Killyourtelevision Michael