Michael Clark

There should be literally thousands of pictures of the motorcade, and people, all around the motorcade, at the corner of Elm and Houston. The fact that there are not, is as strange as the fact that it seems so implausible that they could be made to disappear.

I recall Marina O. testifying that she laughed when she saw him dressed in black to take the backyard photos. She laughed because she said that he never wore black. When investigators searched his belongings, they found no black clothes.

Joe Bauer wrote: "Larry Cafar? Just not informed of this person." My bad, it is spelled Larry Crafard. The more that I read of him, the more suspicious he seems. He worked in Ruby's Carousel Club until, 11-23-63. -He served close to LHO in Japan although I don't know how closely they were associated. italicized info is incorrect. His timeline in the 24 hour period is worth looking into. He would normally wake up at 8 AM, at the Carousel to start the day. He states that on 11-22, he woke up late, when an en employee showed up and was blaring news of the assassination. He spent 4-5 hours on a phone call withe a girl who called the club, looking for a job at 11PM. When the call ended, Ruby called and told him to grab a camera, and that Ruby would pick him up. This is where they drive through town, take pictures of the "Impeach Warren" sign, go to the post office, and a cafe. In the morning, Larry quits his job and hitch hikes to Michigan with 7 dollars in his pocket. edit. Crafard do not serve in Japan with Oswald. I confused him with Roscoe White.

Just to clarify the Michael Paine link: Henry Cabot Lodge (and the Dulles Brithers) were major player in the United Fruit Company. JFK was interested in stopping the corporate slavery that was manifest in the Banana Republics. The Nixon-Kennedy debate makes that clear. It's not simply taking cheap shots at the wealthy.

"Mrs. Hunt got on Flight 553 with Michele Clark, CBS Network newswoman, going to do an exclusive story on Watergate. Mrs. Hunt, Mitchell, Nixon - the story could have destroyed Nixon at the time. Ms Clark had lots of insight into the bugging and cover-up through her boyfriend, a CIA operative. In the summer of 1972, prior to any major revelations of Watergate, Ms Clark tried to pick the brains of Chicago Congressman George Collins, regarding the bugging of the Democratic headquarters. Ms Clark was sitting with Collins on the plane." That quote comes from one of the article below the main entry. This would make quite a story or book, but it has been a very long time. http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKclarkM.htm

Joe Bauer Wrote: "How many others in the JFK affair cast of characters could claim such a unique dual main character connection?" Paul: I think Joe's question was a little more broad. However, in the LHO - Ruby, narrow scope, I'll suggest Larry Cafar. He served in the Marines, arguably WITH LHO, in Japan. DeMorhenshildts web, I agree, is perhaps the most dynamic. I'll add something to that web. Michael Paine's "mother was Ruth Forbes Young, financial backer of International Peace Academy and daughter of Elise Cabot Forbes, a scion of the Cabot family." -Wikipedia

Paul, I respect your assertions as to the honesty of the witnesses. You are adamant and consistent about that. But I would like to ask if you think that threats, intimidation and misrepresentation come into play? For me, one reason for the murder of Tippit and Oswald was to immediately inject fear into the population. The strange deaths that surrounded people and thrived in that era would have added to the fear. There are stories of goons in suits saying "you didn't see anything" and "that didn't happen". I'll cite the the story of Jerry Coley of the Dallas Morning News, who's story can be heard here, as an example: I'm not sure if you agree but to many the WCR is in essence a lie, patched together with the statements of many good honest people. There was much that was, apparently, omitted from testimony and the police notes and reports are lacking much information. I am just surprised that your statements rejecting theories and claims that assume that a great deal of prevarication is going on are applied with such a wide brush. Cheers, Mike

These links didn't work for me on my phone so am refresing/redirecting them. The comment of Michael Hogan regarding the prescience of them is spot on. The MS Arnoni article has remarkably renewed relevance. The second By Eric Norden contains reports from the first minutes, hours and days after the assassination containing details and accounts which I have never heard and which were subsequently changed. Both were published in January of 1964. http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/History/WC_Period/Pre-WCR_reactions_to_assassination/Pre-WCR_reactions_by_the_left/Who_killed_whom_Arnoni.html http://22november1963.org.uk/norden-death-of-a-president-part-1

I thought this would be an interesting topic to bump.

Hi Craig, I noticed this lonely old post out here and saw that you tended to it with an edit a few weeks ago; so I can see that you have not forgotten it. There are much more qualified people on here to answer your question but I figured I would chime in. One thing that your post does not allow for is the possibility of two Oswalds. When I came to this forum a few months ago, and indeed this whole story, I would and generally now do avoid such ideas as fantastic and as a distraction. I have come to believe that the posiibility can not be ignored entirely. It may be a fact. And there seems to be no doubt that Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City, at least. Oswald claimed that the backyard photos were a forgery. I can go on and on but, if you, even just as a hypothesis, accept rhe imposter story, many of your questions find answers, lonely puzzle pieces begin to fit, and a lot of the fog lifts. It's certainly worthwhile to work with the imposter theory if only as an academic excercise. Cheers, Mike

JFK once said: "C'mon man! Do you really think that people in this forum want to read this kind of crap!". Or, at least, he probably said something like that to somebody at some point.

I like Obama. He is a true statesmen and we needed and need him. I could lay out some criticisms but I will demure. I Demure because he had a lot of enemies; vicious angry enemies that would have torn us apart if he had let them. Van Jones was spot on when he characterized the rabid forces of that election cycle as "blacklash". Trump and this administration, and these first 100 days, at least, are going to be a wholesale repudiation of a black President. It makes me sick when I read comments calling his administration a "failed experiment". I regret that in the last several posts I failed to tie my comments into the purpose of this forum, the JFK assassination. If I chime in again I will not fail to do so. Cheers, Mike

I know i sound like I might have, but I did not. To be sure, regarding your "Dynasty or not" statement, that's what I get from absolutely everyone to whom I have mentioned it. I have received absolutely no validation to my point on the dangers of Dynastic power; zilch, zero, nada. I am not trying to convince you to embrace my POV on that, I promise. I wish I could, however, just for the sake of this argument, express how emphatic about that point I really am. It is perhaps the most defining principle of our country. It's so defining that it is not even mentioned in the constitution or bill of rights. Our notion of popular sovereignty is the essence of our form of government, constitution, and is pre-eminent to any Bill of Rights. Our government rules at our will, not the other way around. The rights of the people of the English commonwealth are granted at the pleasure of the crown. Honestly, if we just poo-poo the idea that we have to reject daynastic power, we could save a whole lot of money and aggravation by just asking the queen for an application for readmittance to the Commonwealth. I learned a whole lot last fall. I read the Federalist papers, I ruminated on the meaning of our revolution and government. My political life has changed. My image of American freedom is no longer defined by the picture of the three guys drumming, piping and carrying a flag that I remember when I was 8 years old during the Bicentennial. And I am thankful. I am thankful that the past election stirred me to think, read and imagine what our revolution was really about; and I am a changed person politically. So, again, my aversion to dynasticism is serious and an absolute priority. I am embarrassed that the only person who agrees with me is Barbara Bush. I like Hillary Clinton. I think she is eminently qualified to be the Presidnt, and I have never done so well as I did under Bill Clinton. But, I'll make one more point about HRC that I think is huge, even if it pales in comparison to my aforementioned pet-political-peeve; and that is that she, they, would have come with baggage, and who knows what might have been in there. Part of the beauty of elections and term limits is the ability to sweep away baggage and have a fresh start; why would you give that up?

A fortuitous find. http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2016/12/warren-commission-lawyers-strike-back.html

Wow! Great thread. Enlightening to me as to what you folks are really doing here. It's an attempt at a serious and legitimate (or as close as possible) investigation. So far as I can tell, the Commerce St. location for the Southland cafe, came from Mary Ferrel. And, in this thread anyway, it has not been followed-up.

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I am seeing that the Southland cafe has been addressed. I'm not sure it has been resolved, but I do see that the question has been raised.

Vicki is the name, or pseudonym of Wynn Johnson's girlfriend with whom he went to the Southland Center. They were both 15 years old. It was Vicki's mother who warned her and Wynne to never mention the encounter. Vicki has thus far chosen to remain anonymous and will not confirm the story.

I am kind fishing here. A post that I made will kind of explain...... Regarding this thread. I am surprised at How little attention Wynne Johnsons video gets on this forum. I am just trying to figure out why that is, as much as I would like to hear what all of you think? Southland Center Dallas, September, 1963 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6hWJLOljo

.... bouncing old ones; without really having anything to add. I am surprised at what I do not see in here. There are many topics which I have tried to track down over the last several months and, after having found this site to be a great resource, found shockingly little for them here. Perhaps there is a reason for it that I have not picked-up,on yet, I just don't know. So I am wondering if it is an ok idea to create threads, kind of like a wiki-entry, even if I really don't have much to add? I likely will get few or no responses to this and will just go ahead and do it. I will then surely find out why it was not a good idea; it's just how I end-up rolling somethimes. I am going to bounce an old thread that is of great interest to me, but it is a subject that gets little attention, and I'll see how that goes. The thread is the Maurice Bishop= David Atlee Phillips thread. I'll be posting links to the Wynne Johnson videos which are also something I see very little debate on in these forums. This is of great interest to me because, after my interest in the JFK assassination laid dormant for 24 years, Wynne Johnsons video opened up the flood gates and I have been sucked down stream.

My problem with HRC, and it was an absolute game ender, is that she represented Dynastic power. Her husband was President. You do not, in a Democracy, field a presidents spouse, or child, or brother for the office of President. You certainly don't vote for them. Dynastic power is the end of Democracy. Of course, my pleadings fell on deaf ears during the run up to the convention. This is also a large source for my contempt for the Bush's, except Barbara, who said the same thing I am saying (too many Bushes!) even if it was one Bush too late. (I actively supported Evan McMullin ( a CIA agent, go figure), hoping to win a crap shoot on a Utah win and a 270 EV denial with a vote in The House.) Even as a kid, when I asked my parents about JFK, and why he was shot, and when I had other questions, and was told about RFK, and that people thought that nepotism was bad, this stuck with me. This was my parents talking to a curious child. I get it. Regardless of RFK's capabilities, or JFK's need to have him around, you just don't do that. Trumps inbred whitehouse staff is pretty scary, with his son-in-law setting-up a cot in the White House. Trump is a true wannabe dynast. It would be wise to ensure his tenure is short, and definitely forgoe all future Trumps in the office of President. The second most important thing I can say, next to the warning against dynastic power, is STOP TELLING THE RIGHT THAT THEY ARE STUPID! That just sets them off and makes them HATE you more than you know. It makes them gravitate directly to that which you despise the most. Telling people that they are stupid for how they feel is just, well, stupid. I may be grasping for hope in thinking Trump can put an end to the unconstitutional powers of the 4th branch, the intelligence branch of government. But his temperment is, it seems, just right for the job.

I have been mulling this around myself. You have good questions; I think they sound similar to mine above (go figure ;)) The Bay of Pigs example has already been mentioned. Another example of this pattern of behavior is old, but instructive and relevant to this forum. It is John Newmans WW3 virus, attributed to James Angleton. I am surprised that it is so infrequently invoked in this forum. In Short, Oswalds activities and alleged activities were buried such that they would not arise until 11-22-63, after the assassination. Once LHO was killed, and there would be no trial, a cover up was necessary to hide the massive intelligence and law enforcement failure, as well as WW3. The Russian Hacking Virus was intended to force Trump to cave into the intelligence community, and Democrats as well as the media are partners in the plan. It is unavoidable that I sound like a Trump apologist or supporter. I am not. I am, however interested in seeing this fourth branch of invisible government dismantled and it just may happen.

Testimony of Larry Crafard. According to his testimony, on the morning of 11-22-63 he was asleep in the Carousel Lounge, until he was awoken at @2 in the afternoon when a co-worker arrived and started blaring the news of the assassination over the radio. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/crafard.htm

To be sure, Larry left town the next morning, Saturday. He quit his job at the Carousel and hitchiked to Michigan with $7 in his pocket. His WC testimony states that on late Friday, 11-22 he got a call from an unknown girl who was calling about a job at the Carousel. After about 4 hours of chatting with her, he states that she said that she was taking a bus out of town in the morning. He never gets her name or where she was headed-to on the bus. After he hangs-up with her, Ruby calls, and tells him to grab a camera and that Ruby was going to pick him up immediately. This is when Ruby, himself and Senator ride around, take pics of the "Impeach Warren" billboard, visit the post office, and drive to a cafe. The cafe is the "Southland Hotel Cafe" according to Senator, although they both place it just off Commerce, not far from the Carousel. George H. W. Bush happened to be staying at the Southland Hotel that night, and it is said that David Atlee Phillips met with Oswald and Vinceza there some weeks before.