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Folks, Should we report Michael Griffith to the ADL for his ongoing defamation of Col. L. Fletcher Prouty? 🙄 Meanwhile, while we're all waiting for Michael Griffith to stop deflecting and answer my questions about who pays him to sit around all day posting debunked disinformation about 9/11, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, NSAM263, and the JFK assassination, I thought it would be worth posting Prouty's own comments almost 30 years ago about the false allegations that he was a right-wing anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, etc. These are from Len Osanic's Prouty.org website-- a useful resource for debunking Michael Griffith's bunk. https://prouty.org/ As I posted a few days ago, Michael Griffith seems to be walking in the footsteps of the CIA guys who have been posting defamatory nonsense about Prouty for the past 30 years. Interestingly, Prouty asked the same question about his defamer, David Fuhrman, that I recently asked Michael Griffith-- "Who is paying him to write this nonsense? Who is he working for?" Col. L. Fletcher Prouty Responds to Accusations of Involvement in Right Wing Extremist Groups Interview Date: April 3, 1996 "Esquire magazine published an article, in which they just made up these things, I've never written for Liberty Lobby. I've spoken as a commercial speaker, they paid me to speak and then I left. They print a paragraph or two of my speech same as they would of anybody else, but I've never joined them. I don't subscribe to their newspaper, I never go to their own meetings, but they had a national convention at which asked me to speak and they paid me very, very well. I took my money and went home and that's it". I go to the meeting, I go home, I don't join. That sole speech was years ago and was no different than the speech I gave at the Holocaust Memorial Conference. I spoke my own words and ideas. I do admit to having been a rather active public speaker for all types of audiences, on a commercial except for Rotary, They're gratuitous from my point of view. "The funny thing was two months earlier I had spoken at the Holocaust Conference for the second annual meeting of the Holocaust Group which I learned later the Liberty Lobby is completely opposed to. Dr. Littel, of the Holocaust Memorial organization invited me to attend and make a few comments,as others were requested. Col. Prouty has been asked to attend at the Holocaust Conference again later this year ! Well, they put all this in this Esquire magazine but did it all backwards, as though I was a member, writing with these people or joining them. The only club I've joined is the Rotary Club !". The attempt of character assassination is a sign you have become a small threat. Others, at the levels I know of, have played up that as though I had been converted to something. It is just their "gentlemanly" tactic of dealing with people they can't handle otherwise.. In fact it is a CIA characteristic trait...as I well know. When they can't handle you, they attack your character. This classic was found on the internet; " An essay written from a leftist perspective by Chip Berlet, deals with the ties, and Mark Lane, and the extreme right-wing paranoid Liberty Lobby. Nothing here shows Prouty to be a National Socialist or an anti-Semite, but shouldn't he show better judgment in whom he associates with?" This implies I associate with National Socialists, or why else write it! The writings of Furhmann, Perry, Berlet, Posner, etc. are slick, cleverly written, but not based in the true facts. I wonder what they do for a living? where they work? Who pays them to write? My credentials are laid out for all to see. L.Fletcher Prouty

Huh, Griffith? What additional bunk are you spewing now? It's a shame that Leslie Sharp, or anyone on this forum, still takes your disinformation seriously. "Deranged claims by 9/11 Truthers?" Are you referring to the scientific data of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth? Do tell us what is "deranged" about their scientific data. Have you ever studied the academic credentials of the many scholars, scientists, and engineers involved in the 9/11 Truth movement? What is it about the free fall collapses of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 that you still don't understand? What abruptly demolished the steel sub-structures of the Twin Towers and WTC7 on 9/11, allowing the steel towers to rapidly crumble to the ground at a rate approximating the acceleration of gravity?

Joe, Good point about Lansdale's relationship with Dulles. Prouty also pointed out that Ed Lansdale was bitterly disappointed about JFK nixing Lansdale's further involvement in Vietnam ops, and transferring Lansdale to Mongoose.

Paul, Speaking of guilt by association, here's a photo of Allen Dulles with his favorite CIA black ops/psy ops expert, General Ed Lansdale, and Dulles's Deputy CIA Director, General Charles Cabell. Cabell's brother, Earle, the Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, was recently outed as a CIA asset. I think Earle was riding in the lead car in JFK's Dallas motorcade. Prouty and General Victor Krulak ID'd their long-time colleague, Ed Lansdale, in Dealey Plaza photos, and wondered what in the hell Lansdale was doing in Dallas on 11/22/63.

Do you folks remember what happened in the summer of 2011, when John Boehner, Paul Ryan, and the Tea Party House turned down Obama's "Mother-of-All-No-Brainers" deal to raise the debt ceiling? This happened after the same House Republicans had voted, repeatedly, to raise the debt ceiling for the Bush/Cheney administration, en route to DOUBLING the national debt from 2001 to 2009 with their 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for billionaires. And these current House Republicans-- Kevin McCarthy, et.al.-- increased the national debt by $8 trillion dollars during Trump's four years in the White House, by passing massive tax cuts for billionaires and corporations. Now they want to, literally, "Starve the Beast," by cutting food stamps for the poor. McCarthy Takes Debt Ceiling Plan to Wall Street (politicalwire.com)

Sandy, We all owe Jeff Carter a big thank you for his diligence in meticulously debunking Michael Griffith's bogus 30 year-old defamatory CIA fabrications about Prouty. (I was approaching this subject from a different angle-- emphasizing Prouty's credibility and distinguished record of military service to the U.S.) I don't think it's a stretch to theorize that the CIA's propaganda establishment deliberately fabricated and planted defamatory talking points about Prouty in the mainstream media 30+ years ago, after he emerged as a Deep State whistleblower for Olver Stone's film, JFK. Then, they have simply repeated the same defamatory talking points on websites, internet forums, radio shows, etc., during the past 30 years. Classic propaganda. Have multiple propagandists repeat the lies, until the public believes they are true.

Russian Court Sentences Putin Critic to 25 Years Russian Court Sentences Putin Critic to 25 Years (politicalwire.com) April 17, 2023 “A Russian court convicted Kremlin critic Vladimir Kara-Murza for treason and sentenced him to 25 years in prison after he criticized the government of President Vladimir Putin and his invasion of Ukraine,” the Wall Street Journal reports. “The sentence is the longest to have been handed to a Russian opposition figure since the war in Ukraine began in February last year. It comes after a sweeping clampdown on all forms of dissent and the detentions of more than 20,000 antiwar activists for participation in protest rallies, social-media posts and even private conversations denouncing Mr. Putin.”

Here's another one of those "good Republican ideas" from America's Koch-funded GOP think tanks. Cut "welfare" for the poor, to fund corporate welfare and tax cuts for billionaires. Hawkeye Henry Wallace, who created the food stamp program, is probably rolling over in his grave. Iowa Republicans Will Spend Millions Kicking Families Off Food Stamps Iowa's bill on limiting SNAP benefits is a bold attack, experts say - The Washington Post April 16, 2023 Excerpt The state legislature, with the support of the Republican supermajority, was poised to approve some of the nation’s harshest restrictions on SNAP. They include asset tests and new eligibility guidelines. By the state’s own estimate, Iowa will need to spend nearly $18 million in administrative costs during the first three years — to take in less federal money. The bill’s backers argue the steps would save the state money long term and cut down on “SNAP fraud.” The measure is part of a broader national crackdown on SNAP, the federal program at the heart of the nation’s welfare system. The proposed legislation was not a homegrown effort but the product of a network of conservative think tanks pushing similar SNAP restrictions in Kentucky, Kansas, Wisconsin and other states. But experts say Iowa’s represents the boldest attack yet on SNAP, and Republicans in Congress have signaled a similar readiness to impose limits on federal food assistance.

Kirk, Geez... You have often posted insightful, humorous comments on the Education Forum, since I first joined a few years ago, but you have always been weirdly off target in your attacks on Oliver Stone and James DiEugenio's critically important work on the JFKA and Vietnam-- some of which (in Oliver Stone's case) has been directly informed by Prouty's rare insights about CIA special ops, Saigon Station, and JFK's Vietnam policies. So, I'm not surprised that you have been suckered by Michael Griffith's scurrilous, deflective attacks on Fletcher Prouty on this thread. Griffith has repeatedly highjacked this thread with the same old bogus CIA propaganda tropes that have been used for the past 30 years in an attempt to smear and discredit Prouty's whistleblowing on the CIA-- accusing Prouty of being anti-Semitic, a Holocaust denier, a Scientologist, etc. It's all bunk. What has Prouty, himself, said about these bogus CIA allegations? Did you read my original post on that subject, on this thread? Apparently not, since you mistakenly imagine that I "have contributed nothing" on that subject. I posted the first reference here to Oliver Stone's Esquire commentary on the subject of the CIA's "character assassination" of Fletcher Prouty, and Prouty's history of speaking at the Holocaust Memorial. The basic question I would ask you, apropos of my original, censored thread title, is, "Who are the real crackpots-- CIA whistleblower Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, or the CIA propagandists who have used their mainstream media (and internet) assets for the past 30 years to falsely impugn Prouty's reputation?

Yeah... I read this story in the Washington Post today. Before his confirmation hearing, Kacsmaryk removed his name from a paper on abortion published in the Texas Law Review. This has been a pattern with a lot of these Trump judges, including Kacsmaryk, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett. They have all dissembled about their position on abortion during their confirmation hearings. Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett all repeated that mantra about Roe v. Wade being "established law."

Kirk, C'mon, man. I'm surprised that my satirical intent sailed over your head. I used the term "crackpot" in the original thread title as a satire about the 30-year CIA propaganda campaign to smear and discredit CIA whistleblower, Fletcher Prouty, after his critically important revelations about CIA history were publicized in Oliver Stone's film, JFK. You and Greg Doudna have both missed the boat on this thread, while blathering about Michael Griffith's Liberty Lobby straw man. Did you bother to read and listen to Greg Burnham's commentaries about Prouty at the top of this thread-- before Michael Griffith hijacked the thread with his John McAdams/Liberty Lobby garbage?

It's really about establishing and maintaining GOP minority, plutocratic rule, isn't it, Doug? Many of the core GOP policy initiatives nowadays are remarkably unpopular-- obstructing gun control legislation, banning abortions, banning books, obstructing pollution and climate change mitigation, and de-funding Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich, etc. So, the GOP dark money moguls fund television advertising, and "news" programming at Fox, Breitbart, Sinclair, et.al., in order to rally their base with emotional issues like race, immigration, homophobia, etc.

True, Paul. If people take the time to review Michael Griffith's verbose posts on this forum since July of 2022, they will discover that nonsense is Griffith's specialty. He is a purveyor of U.S. government disinformation. I noticed the problem this year while studying Griffith's gnarly debates with James DiEugenio on the subject of JFK and Vietnam, and, more recently, with his John McAdams style defamation of Col. L. Fletcher Prouty. Griffith recently called James DiEugenio a "far left-ist" who is "out of his depth on Vietnam..." WTF? Does anyone seriously doubt the historiography of James DiEugenio, John Newman, Peter Dale Scott, Fletcher Prouty, et.al., about NSAM 263 and JFK's 1963 decision to get out of Vietnam? Needless to say, Griffith has also had no intelligible response to the facts that I posted for him about the physics of the WTC demolitions, or about CIA Chief Operating Officer Alvin "Buzz" Krongard's association with the short-sellers of UAL stock prior 9/11. His response was to call me a "nutjob," "nutcase," etc.-- a variation on the CIA's old "kooky conspiracy theorist" trope to discredit Jim Garrison, Mark Lane, et.al. So, sadly, Griffith is not here to join us in discovering and discussing the truth about America's "untold history." He's here to prevent people from discovering the truth-- as we have all witnessed in the case of the U.S. mainstream media and the ubiquitous government-funded disinformation websites on the internet that surface at the top of Google searches about black ops like the JFKA and 9/11.

Jeff, Thanks for delivering this knockout punch to Michael Griffith's mcadams.edu, Prouty-defaming nonsense. Hopefully, Kirk Gallaway will eventually figure out that "Liberty Lobby" Griffith has been knocked out. (I'm not holding my breath.)

Michael Griffith, obviously, has a bad habit of refusing to answer questions, while accusing informed people who question official government narratives of being "nutjobs," "far left," "ultra liberal," etc. At least Michael didn't call me a "kooky conspiracy theorist," eh, folks? 🙄 The correct answer to Question 1) is ZERO. If a building (or any object) falls to earth at the acceleration of gravity, the resistance to collapse is zero. In other words, the steel substructures of the WTC towers (and WTC7) had to be abruptly demolished by explosives, in order for the buildings to collapse at free fall acceleration. Interestingly, the serial explosions that demolished WTC1 and WTC2 on 9/11-- pulverizing hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete into the atmosphere of lower Manhattan-- are clearly visible and audible on film. Donald Trump, himself, correctly announced on television on 9/11 that, based on his knowledge of the steel girder/construction of the Twin Towers, the buildings could only have been demolished by "bombs" (i.e., explosives.) The correct answer to Question 2) is Baltimore banking associates of Bush & Cheney's CIA Chief Operating Officer Alvin "Buzz" Krongard. Krongard's associate(s) engaged in major short-selling of UAL stock shortly before 9/11.

Well, I'm somewhat surprised and disappointed that even Kirk Galloway has been suckered by Michael Griffith's persistent hijacking of this thread, and Griffith's McAdams-esque propaganda disparaging Prouty. The thread isn't about the Liberty Lobby, which had very little to do with Fletcher Prouty's lengthy, distinguished military career and his important revelations about CIA history, Vietnam, and JFK's assassination. It's a straw man-- a propaganda trick-- as Jeff Carter has pointed out. If anything, the thread is supposed to be about the way that CIA propagandists during the past 30 years have systematically tried to smear and discredit Prouty's important revelations about CIA history by focusing on the Liberty Lobby, etc. Kirk Galloway, evidently, missed the Esquire commentary (above) by Oliver Stone about Prouty's own disclaimers regarding anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, etc. As Prouty, himself, pointed out, he also spoke to organizations memorializing the Holocaust. Meanwhile, I'm genuinely curious about Michael Griffith's career in McLean, Virginia, and his history of involvement with the U.S. military establishment and the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. Is Griffith working for the CIA to discredit revelations about CIA history in relation to Vietnam and the JFK assassination?

I'm guessing that the difference is that Trump got paid bigly for sharing his classified documents. 🤥

Just answer the questions, Griffith, and spare us your deflective buzzwords, already. If you can't come up with the answers, I'll help you out-- since this is the "Education" Forum. 1) If skyscrapers falls to earth (and/or implode into pulverized ash) at approximately the acceleration of gravity, what is the resistance of the steel sub-structures to collapse? 2) Who engaged in the short-selling of United and American Airlines stock just before 9/11?

Meanwhile, it looks like Michael Griffith still hasn't figured out that he's standing near the first base line in right field, while his so-called "ultra liberals" on the forum are covering center field. As for 9/11, since Griffith posted some bunk on the subject, I have two more, basic questions for him-- while we're all waiting for him to post some examples of "good Republican ideas." 1) If skyscrapers falls to earth (and/or implode into pulverized ash) at approximately the acceleration of gravity, what is the resistance of the steel sub-structures to collapse? 2) Who engaged in the short-selling of United and American Airlines stock just before 9/11?

Doug, This should be one of those, "CAPTION THIS" photos... "Hell yes, I voted for my billionaire home boys in Bush v. Gore, Citizens United, and Shelby v. Holder. That's how the system works, ain't it? One hand washes the other."

Michael, Instead of continuing to highjack this thread with your John McAdams-type, defamatory nonsense about Prouty, how about answering a few questions for us? Who paid for your stint at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California? Was it part of your military service in the USAF? What do you do for a living in McLean, Virginia, when you're not posting lengthy diatribes on the Education Forum denying that JFK intended to get out of Vietnam in 1963, and falsely impugning Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's reputation? Also, I haven't visited the area for many years, but isn't McLean close to Langley?

Indeed, Sandy, I'm still waiting for MIchael Griffith to answer my original, non-rhetorical question-- instead of engaging in redundant, nonsensical slurs.

It's a Trumplicon caliber deficit. Trump ran average annual deficits of roughly $2 trillion, after his major 2017 tax cuts for billionaires and corporations. I was interested in this topic during Trump's Presidency, (and during the glorious Bush/Cheney years) but the M$M was curiously silent at the time. I still wonder about the M$M's puzzling sabotage of Hillary Clinton's 2016 candidacy-- which has been well-documented in studies by Harvard's Berman Institute and the Columbia Journalism Review. One of the major 2016 platform difference between Hillary and Trump was about tax policy. Did M$M corporations (including Sulzberger's NYT) sabotage Hillary because they wanted those multi-billion dollar Trump/GOP tax cuts?

I want to point out to Kirk, Ron, Sandy, Paul, and the forum that Michael Griffith has repeatedly highjacked this thread about Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's distinguished military career and his ground breaking revelations about CIA history, (in The Secret Team and JFK, the CIA, and Vietnam) in order to shift the focus to the Liberty Lobby. Michael has deployed the same old CIA/John McAdams propaganda tricks that have been used for the past 30 years to discredit Prouty's rare insights into CIA history, Vietnam, and the JFK assassination. As Gerry Patrick Hemming told Greg Burnham, (see the definitive history posts at the top of this thread) Fletcher Prouty was the only Deep State insider who ever came forward to spill the beans about CIA black ops and their putative relationship to the JFK assassination and Vietnam. So, it's understandable that the CIA and U.S. military establishment has put a great deal of effort into trying to smear and discredit Prouty's revelations. I will also point out that Michael Griffith has repeatedly attacked James DiEugenio's historigraphy about JFK's decision to get out of Vietnam in 1963. Griffith even claimed recently that DiEugenio is "out of his depth on Vietnam." Here is Michael Griffith's Education Forum bio, which includes a stint at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. Michael T. Griffith holds a Master’s degree in Theology from The Catholic Distance University, a Graduate Certificate in Ancient and Classical History from American Military University, a Bachelor’s degree in Liberal Arts from Excelsior College, and two Associate in Applied Science degrees from the Community College of the Air Force. He also holds an Advanced Certificate of Civil War Studies and a Certificate of Civil War Studies from Carroll College. He is a graduate in Arabic and Hebrew of the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California, and of the U.S. Air Force Technical Training School in San Angelo, Texas. In addition, he has completed Advanced Hebrew programs at Haifa University in Israel and at the Spiro Institute in London, England. He is the author of five books on Mormonism and ancient texts, including How Firm A Foundation, A Ready Reply, and One Lord, One Faith. He is also the author of a book on the JFK assassination titled Compelling Evidence (JFK Lancer, 1996), and of a book on the Pearl Harbor attack titled The Real Infamy of Pearl Harbor (2021).

Liberal grooming centers, eh? Unreal... 🙄