Cory Santos

He told me it was his third and best.  

15 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

The best I can do is my 1955 Yukon Copper Cores MM-on-red-velvet calendar.

Is it still in the kitchen?   I do think that one day I should be the recipient of it.   I mean really.  

1 minute ago, Sandy Larsen said:

The man is 90 years old!

And still sharp and funny as ever.  

1 minute ago, Cliff Varnell said:

The limo is in the shop?

Get your film written and we can talk about the Cadi. And don’t forget to bring the Marilyn Monroe evidence.   

Tonight I was speaking with John Barbour who informed me that his third JFK film, “John Barbour's and William Shakespeare's Final Words on the Murder of JFK”

will be debuting in Encino, California on November 22, 2023.

So, if you want to go to the movies on November 22-which apparently is not an uncommon thing to do in the middle of the day-perhaps you can drive to Encino and watch it. 

Cliff, you can ride down in an Uber.   

7 hours ago, Bill Fite said:

Yes - in the Sep 2, 1963 interview w W Cronkite he cites the Domino Theory.  It's also the same interview where JFK states that it's their war to win or lose - that the US can support through material, advisors and advice but it's their war.

 

That is not the interview I referred to.  So that means twice in September he said this.  

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

As John Newman has noted, and proved, Kennedy said things in public which were contradicted by his actions.

And he makes Vietnam an example.

As per the Domino Theory, if you read Gordon Goldstein's book, Lessons in Disaster,  McGeorge Bundy denies this.

He says Kennedy did not really buy into that idea, namely that if Vietnam fell, all of Asia would collapse and the dominoes would extend, in some cases, to Manila, with  others to Hawaii.

I mean, when China went communist, did any other country fall?

Not that I can see.

The reason that Cambodia went was because Nixon and Kissinger were illegally bombing the country causing the collapse of two governments leading to the rise of Pol Pot. This would not have happened under Kennedy.

Well there is an interview where JFK said he believed in the Domino Theory so I will accept what he said.  However, if, as you suggest, he was not telling the truth or misleading the public, then if that is true one would have to throw out everything he said.  I choose to believe what he said.   

Pamela,

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/jfk-mistress-love-letters-auction/index.html

26 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

 

Anyone who can read can see that both Wecht and Stephens explained specifically what happened to the pills and they are in quotes.

Jim share with everyone.  How did she consume 47 pills without water and without vomiting?  I know in Fantasyland certain rules do not apply but I can assure you that you need to answer this point-which your quote of others work does not.  Hence why I stated what I did about your reply.  

11 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Cory I guess knows more about causes of death through barbiturates than Wecht, Noguchi and Boyd Stephens.  Do they all sell property in Arizona?

Or else Cory has been reading too much of Slatzer.  (I think its the latter myself.)

Don initiates this issue in his book on pgs 487 -489.

Wecht puts the time of death at 2 Am; prior to that MM slipped into a deep sleep, semi-coma and then a coma.

"He also noted that her bodily functions would have continued until Marilyn's lungs and then finally her heart succumbed...." In other words her bodily functions continued long enough for the digestive tract to dissolve the capsules she ingested and long enough for her liver to start metabolizing the barbiturates.

That last is the key point, and its why I italicized it, since it proves what Wecht was saying was correct. Don did his homework on this and how it relates to the whole issue of injection vs ingestion.  And he expands on this proof on pages 492-95.  For example, Nembutal is a short acting acid, which is quickly absorbed through the body resulting in a high liver concentration. Dr. Boyd Stephens also agreed with this: "the metabolic process had reached the stage where much of the toxic material had already reached the liver and was in the process of at least beginning the excretion process." (p. 494)

First Giancana, then the note where Cory left out the why,  then the tiger that turned out to be made of paper mache, and now this. Do we grant four strikes at this forum?

 

 

You have no clue what you just wrote.   You really don’t because it has nothing to do with what I wrote.   

I just watched an interview of JFK from September 1963.   He stated he believed in the Domino Theory.  But he does smirk when asked about the CIA.   Very odd.  

33 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Wondering what to make of these second hand claims J. McBride recounts in his post regards MM and her death above.

If there was an absence of drugs in MM's stomach, does that nullify Rupert Allan's take on her death cause?

Joe the absence of drugs is no big deal, or so you will be told.   Considering she took 47 pills- 4 times the lethal limit for barbiturates- without any water and did not regurgitate, if you believe this I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.  You are asking the right questions.   

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Cory:

If you have followed my writings on the JFK case you will see that today I barely use Summers' book.  I think its badly dated and the focus is very narrow.

That article I posted was not written by me, but I hope you read it, since it was written by Don McGovern.  Who I consider the best authority we have on MM.  And he skewered that article you posted. I am very surprised that you were not aware of that article prior to posting Summers.

I read it before.   We discussed it here on the forum as I recall.   

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Cory, here you go.  

https://www.kennedysandking.com/articles/marilyn-tony-summers-and-his-paper-tiger

 

And, if you missed it, Summers later said that she took her own life.

Today, his book, Goddess, looks utterly horrid.  He largely relied on three provable BS artists: Slatzer, Carmen and Smathers.  (I am not even counting Seaton.)

 

Jim this is what I mean.  First, on JFK you have no problem citing Summers.   However with Marilyn you think his research is garbage.
  
Second, he is citing these people from interviews he did.   So attacking the other writers still leaves the problem of where these many relevant witnesses which he cited in the article all XXXXX?

As to the article veering into the theories of the writers you noted, I fully understand and know exactly where that occurs.  But I do not throw everything out as you do with this issue.

Go ahead.   Call each of these people XXXXX.   
 

 https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/03/marilyn-monroes-final-hours

6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

So CS...you are proposing the Smith letter is evidence that Bobby K. and MM had been lovers?

No Joe, I did not say that.  Nor do I think any Kennedy killed her.  She was killed however.  
I am just getting a good laugh at the sleuths who refuse to acknowledge that Monroe’s death was not a suicide or that the Kennedy’s had zero relationship with her or that she was not being closely watched for a reason by the FBI.   

Awww, here we go.   

Again and again.   

2 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

You can't be serious Cory. Bobby's sister wrote that letter. Read the letter and you will find that not only JFK and RFK know MM, but also their sister and father do! Intimately. Their sister writes, oh hey, I hear that you and Bobby are an item. Bobby should bring you back  East when  he comes!

Come on man!  Bobby's sister wouldn't be cool with him having an affair with MM!

She probably read about the so-called affair in a gossip rag. She was joking with MM about it.

Sheesh indeed!   

 

Yes, which gossip rag are you referring to which she could have read?  You cannot find one can you?   It is ok I know the answer    

You assume so much yet discount more.  Again, as Cliff warned me a long time ago, to some JFK did no wrong.    He calls these people fanboys.    

As I thought.   People want evidence and when they get it they can’t accept it.   Oh geez lol. 

6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

What letter?

Can you summarize it's contents?

Joe, she wrote a letter to Monroe which was auctioned off for big bucks.  Check out what she wrote. I am not avoiding your question.   I just want you to Google it and arrive at your own conclusion without any influence from me.  

7 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

I agree that Marilyn's extraordinary beauty and magnetism was a result of the deprivations in her life as well as the fantastic, though flawed, life she created for herself.  It is that combination, I think, that puts her in a category of her own...

Pamela, what is your opinion of the letter from Jean Kennedy Smith to Marilyn Monroe?

7 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Mike,

Can you show me any proof that Kennedy was a serial adulterer? If you can't, then as far as I'm concerned that reputation is  probably based on a bunch of rumors.

 

Sandy, with respect, in just looking at these posts over the years, no proof is enough for anyone on this forum on any issue once that person has made his/her mind.   

He left his ring.   He left the TSBD without checking out.   Clearly he was not clueless.  

6 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Mike:

You know between your comments on the Prouty thread and now this, I really do not know what to make of you on this forum.

You started this dumb thread in the first place with its ridiculous heading.  You then abandon it and then you come back and you apparently do not read what was written in between.

There is evidence for one encounter between JFK and MM.  Period.

There is no evidence at all between RFK and MM.  That is simply balderdash.

Nothing at all happened at the night in question at MSG, and I have proved this with first hand evidence. 

FInally, RFK had no romantic entanglement with MM and had nothing to do with her demise.  Over and out.  And this is also provable with all kinds of evidence.  So you should just stop this innuendo with that Mark Shaw type of overtone, you have as a heading on this thread.  It is truly nutty. As it smears three people.

MM died of barbiturate poisoning which had been ingested, not injected.  And not taken by enema or suppository.  And that is also proven.  The question then becomes: was it deliberate or was it accidental?  One can make an argument for both sides on that one.  But if someone takes well over seven hundred pills in 50 days, and a bottle of Nembutals in 36 hours, I mean that is pretty much asking for trouble.

 

How can you now say there was only one encounter still?   Previously you wrote:

Hi, Jim,

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

1.  Cory, if  he never saw any evidence of an affair then that is it.  Period.  He is not, as you tried to suggest, in opposition to Hill, he is in unison with him.

2. Joe, are you serious? You never saw MM act in any of her films, like Gentleman Prefer Blondes etc?  Even Burt Reynolds, who knew her from her New York days said that one day they were walking down Broadway, and no one noticed her.  And Burt commented on that.  She then said: OK, now watch this.  She took her hair down and changed her walk and suddenly people did start noticing them.  Burt said it was one of the most immediate, sharp, yet subtle changes he ever saw an actress do.  MM really worked hard to master certain techniques to give an effective performance.  If you want to see how skilled she was, watch the skit she did with Jack Benny on his TV show.  Its on You Tube. And then watch the same skit with Mansfield.  Night and day. 

3.  And this is what I mean.  She was really good at putting on that persona.  Because, as I said, she was with her father in law (he is in those photos in Don's article) that night both before and after, who she really liked. She actually wanted him to return to LA with her. But for whatever reason he did not want to go. So she dropped him off in her rented limo in Brooklyn I think, and she returned to her apartment where one or two of her fans were waiting for her.  Even though it was late, she stopped and talked.  It was just them.  And then she went upstairs to her apartment.  And that was it.  Except I think her masseuse was there and that is how she fell asleep.

 

Pamela: In the uncropped version was Schlesinger in on it also?  Even though, as I prove above in number three, nothing happened?

 

 

 

Jim it is simple.  As a trial lawyer I don’t get fooled with simple word games.    He said he had no knowledge of any affair but he could not say what happened behind closed doors.   Thus he could not rule it out and he left the door open.  That is convenient plausible denial.  He just did not have direct knowledge.   So as a trial attorney I recognize the game and I ask follow up questions.   What you are claiming as proof here is not proof.   
Furthermore it is a disgrace to her for you to call her murder a suicide.  Further you victim shame her by using her psychological issues as proof she was going to commit suicide.    This is a good victim shaming tactic but it is wrong.