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You are aligning the bullet holes to the clothing, not to the bullet hole in JFK's back! There can be so many reasons why the holes in the shirt do not align. That is your argument? That's a fake photo? So you are stating indirectly that JFK Lancer is a purveyor of fake JFK autopsy photographs. http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/ The T1 damage could only have been caused by a shot to the throat from the front, do you have any Ph. D. MD medical expert that will validate your hypothesis? Do you have a comment on why the bullet hole in JFK's back is irregular?

Where is the physical evidence that shows that JFK was shot from the front? Below is an autopsy image of JFK's back. His back looks like it is made up of creepy skin. I can see that the skin around his neck looks like an accordion. The bottom part of his back looks like there is serious creepy skin there that will stretch substantially. Cliff, I am sure you have seen this image before and you are basing your claim on JFK's skin is as tight as the bottom of a newborn. Have you done any testing that you can share with us to back up your claim that the bullet hole in the back is actually two inches lower than the T1 hairline fracture? I will venture out and assume that someone dressed JFK and would put the brace on him. If that is the case, would stretching the skin alleviate his back pain. There is clearly creepy skin in his lower back that suggests that his skin may have been pushed up. Also, I want to add that the bullet hole in JFK's back is irregular with the top of the hole larger than the bottom of the hole. This boasts my hypothesis that his skin may have been somewhat stretched upward and possibly bunched up.

Cliff, You are hypothesizing that the bullet entered from the front of the throat that caused the T1 to get a hairline fracture. I am hypothesizing that the bullet entered from the back and exited the throat and his bullet got lodged in the top of the windshield. Below is the back brace JFK used during the assassination. As you can see, the back brace is held together with laces that compress JFK's back and skin. Unfortunately, you don't know exactly how the back brace was positioned, so you cannot say definitely that because the bullet hole in the back of JFK is lower than the hairline damage to the T1 that there is no way the bullet that caused the damage to the T1 entered from the back. You cannot make that statement, you can hypothesize it. My interpretation is that his skin was pushed up slightly. The bullet hole in JFK's skin was measured after his back brace was taken off, located about six inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column. This is an adequate explanation as to why there is a discrepancy. You are biased to your own research. You are making stuff up and you are hypothesizing.

Cliff, I'm not hypothesizing anything. - WRONG - You are hypothesizing and so am I. I'm pointing out the readily observed physical reality: the bullet holes in the clothes are too low to have been associated with the throat wound. - WRONG - You don't know how the shirt was placed on JFK. There are photographs showing that his jacket was bunched up at the neckline. He also had back brace on, his skin could have been pushed up a couple of inches. What bone? The only damage to bone was the hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process, a couple of inches above the T3 back wound. - EXACTLY - The right T1 transverse has a hairline fracture. It got hit by something! The only way you can make your theory work is to make stuff up. - WRONG - There is photographic evidence of a bullet stuck in the top of the windshield. That bullet entered from an upward angle from right to left. That bullet aligns back to JFK and the sniper nest at the sixth-floor of the TSBD. Hard evidence. Cliff, You may be right, I may be crazy...

Cliff, You are hypothesizing your position of a shot from the front. I guess I am hypothesizing the same, an exit wound at the front of the throat. You nor I can't determine the actual path of that bullet. Anything can happen when a bullet hits bone. It can ricochet at an upward angle. If you align the bullet in the front of the windshield of the car to JFK, it aligns back to the sixth-floor sniper window.

I agree with David that the bullet that hit JFK from the back exited from the throat. I disagree with David about that bullet hitting Governor Connally. Below you can see the bullet that wedged itself in the top of the front windshield. If you look closely, you can see that the bullet entered from a right to left angle and bottom to top angle. This bullet wedged on the top of the front windshield of the limousine is the bullet that struck JFK in the back and exited through his throat. Governor Connally insisted to the day he died that he got hit with another bullet. The Zapruder clearly show the Governor getting hit seconds later after the back wound to JFK.

Just came by this video on YouTube. Apparently, the president's body was in a body bag. I always thought that was bunk, now I have to rethink this. "In an interview with political scientist Stacia Haynie, Richard Lipsey shares his personal experiences as a 24-year-old Army First Lieutenant serving as the aid to the Commanding General in charge of diplomatic protocol and security. Following the 1963 assassination of US President "

T.G. Can you make out the figure inside the pergola to the left of Mr. Zapruder and Ms. Sitzman? Did you see the 26-second mark of the Nix film video I posted and do you see the smoke trail at the same spot when you can see a figure in the Mary Moreman photo? Do you know how to put the video in slow motion? The reason I ask is that some people do not see it and I do and for the life of me I don't understand how people could interpret those images in any other way.

The first-hand account of Mr. Newman minutes after the assassination of JFK. He felt that the shots came from "The Mall" behind him. The Mary Moreman photo shows a figure of a gunman in "The Mall" behind Bill Newman. If you can see Mr. Zapruder and Ms. Sitzman standing on the pedestal, the gunman is seen to the left of them. The Nix film shows a smoke trail in the same "Mall" that Mr. Newman thought the shots came from. At the 26 second mark, you can see the smoke trail inside the pergola. You should put the video in slow motion to better see the smoke trail. It is hard to see.

Here I offer my wayward opinion how I think this conspiracy started. Comments welcomed. I want to read your opinions on this. 1. Oswald went to Mexico and offered to kill JFK to the Russians and Cubans. (They declined the offer) 2. American intelligence intercepted all these messages and knew that Oswald wanted to kill JFK. 3. CIA operatives reported this information up the line. 4. The conspiracy is borne. Lansdale got wind of Oswald's plan and made plans to facilitate for Oswald to go at it as a lone wolf. 5. Landsdale recruited his assassins to support Oswald. Oswald did not know that there were other assassins involved. 6. Somebody had to pay the hitmen? 7. When Oswald noticed other shooters shooting at JFK and the governor that is when he knew he was the patsy.

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Hi Ron, Good questions, I don't know the answers to your questions. All I know is what I can see in the Mary Moorman photo and the nix film; Assassins in the pergola.

Hi Ty, What does that matter if a shooter shot at Connally? You should question if JFK was assassinated because of a lone nut or because of a conspiracy. Film and photographic evidence show that there where assassins in the pergola, thus there is a conspiracy to assassinate JFK. Opinion, take this with a grain of salt - Assassin where placed there to kill. Their job was to kill JFK, I doubt that there was an order to be careful and not shoot the governor or Mrs. Kennedy. Mrs. Kennedy was lucky to survive that assassination so was the Governor.

All I can tell you is follow the photographic and film evidence, everything else is a false narrative.

Trygve, Let me ask you, where do you think the head shot that blew JFK's head came from?

I disagree that the sniper is still aiming 30-seconds after the assassination. The person that made the video contends that clip was mere seconds after the assassination. If Mr. Darnell filmed it, it is impossible as he got off the vehicle that he was in mere seconds after the final shot as he was in the tenth car on the motorcade. Also, the car seen passing on the Darnell clip is in position 14, a Ford Mercury Station Wagon, that was behind the car that Darnell was in. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/animation.htm I believe that someone was there. People there seem to be kneeling down doing something. Don't know what. The Darnell clip, however, does not discredit the fact that there is other photographic and film evidence that show assassins in the pergola. You can see it in the Mary Moorman photograph and in the Nix film.

Trygve, The Darnell video was at least 30 seconds after the limo left Dealey Plaza. It does show somebody there. Film evidence does not lie. The question is who are they and what are they doing there. There is no good explanation why people did not see those people in the shelter as assassins. People must have been confused and did not know how to make sense of what they saw. They could have thought that they were law enforcement. Who knows. It is undeniable that there where two shots from the shelter. The Mary Moreman photograph shows a figure there even if you do not colorize it. All versions of the Nix film shows that there was a shot from the third window from the bottom of the shelter and a shot from the pathway. The WC testimony of Mr. Zapruder shows that he thought the shots came from right behind him. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm You should read the WC testimony of Ms. Sitzman. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sitzman.htm Then watch the Mark Bell film. Something does not add up. - Look at her actions. - She does state that she met an FBI man in the pergola! - There was no known FBI agent at the pergola minutes after the assassination(most likely conspirators posing as FBI agents). She goes out of her way to show that there were no shots from the pergola. She states various times "I can't say!" Furthermore, something smells rotten in Mr. Bowers WC testimony. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bowers.htm Lee Bowers was not allowed to say on the record that he saw three men running from the triple underpass to a boxcar. Neither was he allowed to be told that he saw flashes of lights from the area around the pergola. "Mr. BOWERS - A large number of people came, more than one direction. One group converged from the corner of Elm and Houston, and came down the extension of Elm and came into the high ground, and another line another large group went across the triangular area between Houston and Elm and then across Elm and then up the incline. Some of them all the way up. Many of them did, as well as, of course, between 50 and a hundred policemen within a maximum of 5 minutes.Mr. BALL - In this area around your tower?Mr. BOWERS - That's right. Sealed off the area, and I held off the trains until they .could be examined, and there was some transients taken on at least one train.Mr. BALL - I believe you have talked this over with me before your deposition was taken, haven't we? Mr. BOWERS - Yes.Mr. BALL - Is there anything that you told me that I haven't asked you about that you think of?"Mr. BOWERS - Nothing that I can recall.

Trygve, Watch this video - It will all make sense.

What is most interesting to me are the actions of Marylyn Sitzman's during and after the assassination. As you most know, I contend that two shots originated from the pergola (Shelter) behind where Mr. Zapruder was standing. During the assassination, looking at the nix film, I see what seems to be two beige dots in what looks like Ms. Sitzman covering Mr. Zapruder's ears. Yet, she notes that she did not hear any shots close by. After the assassination, she stated in an interview that she went downhill met an officer, then rushed uphill again and met an FBI agent in or around the shelter; Film evidence from the Bell film shows her stepping off the block and looking into the shelter, never going downhill.

Hi Gary, Thank you for your comprehensive response to this thread. To be clear, I did mis-characterize the fracture of the distal fourth – end – of the Governor’s right radius bone for the wrist. My question to be clear, did the missle pass through the area of the forearm where the Governor's right radius bone was fractured?

Gary, Events in the JFK assassination that don't get investigated interest me, and I assume most people as well. 1. Zapruder frames of the babushka lady turning on a high-density light device are troubling. 2. The three tramps not identified until 1989, troubling. 3. No photographs of Connally injuries, troubling. I question Gov. Connally's injuries. Did the bullet ricochet or passed through the wrist? (No photograph, we can't tell!) How many shots in the chest area? (No photographs, we can't tell) Was there an entry hole in the back of the chest? (No photographs, we can't tell) Was there an entry hole in the front of the chest? (doubt it, but no photographs) The entry hole to the thigh? (No photographs) From reading this thread, I understand that you have done extensive research on this subject matter, thank you for your insights.

I just find it odd that the emergency room cut off JFK's suit off and for Governor Connally, who must have been ready to collapse, conveniently removed his suit and shirt. I would have thought that his suit would have been cut up. I can't help but think that Connally may have had more than one bullet hit him. I have not seen any photographs of the injuries to his body. Why not? Why is this being kept from the American public?