Paz Marverde

Northwoods was for sure also an anticipation of the Italian Strategy of Tension

Thank you 

34 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

I got sick and tired of getting constant email notifications about messages I read days ago.

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Thank you very much for this too, Vince

2 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

Paz,

There's no doubt that what I remember is what happened. The question is, did I see it happen on TV. And I think I did. I just can't find anyone who saw it too or who knows someone who saw it too. I think I remember it because it's not the kind of thing you forget, and not because it's something that my mind created over the years. But again, it looks like I'll never know.

 

 

 

 

 

What I meant before – sorry my English is not good enough to say it in a clear way – is I'm incline to believe there was a TV show showing what you did 

13 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

Trygve,

Thanks for posting that. I don't understand French and can't tell what is arriving at Bethesda and what is arriving at the White House. And it still doesn't include what I (falsely?) remember seeing on live TV, which was the ambulance with the casket arriving in front of the hospital and sitting there for 12 minutes, until (as best I "falsely" remember) a military officer got in and drove it away. A possible reason why that footage is not included (if I saw it) is that it was destroyed (to avoid questions of why the casket sat there unattended for 12 minutes). But at this point I don't think I will ever know.

 

 

 

Ron,

for what I know on how memory works about fundamental moments in History, I'm incline to believe what you remember is what happened 

OK, at this point, the question is: who changed this thread from the motorcade route to the rifle? In any case, since the rifle is in, I repeat: it emerges a connection between P2 and that rifle LHO was accused to have fired with. P2 was a CIA creature, headed by Licio Gelli. Two of Gelli's best friends were CMC members. CMC was a CIA front. Clay Shaw was a CMC member. It's all explained and shown here:

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

To the second he says Golitsyn was genuine but later, after being given first class treatment by Angleton and CIA he looked out for his own self interest.

I could not disagree more 

As Vince and Jim DiEugenio stressed, and as Rich Pope shows, till the last moment there would have been not that fatal change of the motorcade turning on Elm Street. This is extremely interesting if you consider that Italian investigation shows that Carcano Oswald was accused to have shoot with is connected to a friend of Licio Gelli, head of P2, and that the Italian journalist Michele Metta discovered there is a connection between Byrd, owner of 411 Elm Street, and a Centro Mondiale Commerciale member, and besides that CMC and P2 are all in all the same thing. It was all staged. It was a farse. The most tragic one, since it killed the best POTUS ever and for no real reason if not money, war, egoism, paranoia 

3 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

BTW...my copy of the November 22, 1963 Dallas Morning News just arrived today and the map clearly shows NO turn onto Houston or Elm.  It was the best $100 I spent

Rich, you are the kind of person I like. Thank you

Jim Garrison was accused to be a sort of KGB mole. Metta's investigation shows he was, instead, totally right. Besides, we now know that it was the CIA the one trying to smear Garrison with false accusations. It speaks volumes on how disinformation really works. Keep it in mind. That's my advice 

Tu quoque simply means: you too? You too with the obsession of a KGB mole? That's all

1 minute ago, David Josephs said:

Paul, do you think it possible that Angleton may have been Sasha?

Tu quoque, David? Please ...

1 minute ago, Paul Brancato said:

I will try to google that but I am unfamiliar with it at this point, so any leads you have would be appreciated.

They are in Italian. That very same Italian creating barriers and thoughts 

5 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Vosjoli

What is very interesting on him, is his links with Aginter, Paul

8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Tommy Graves is no longer posting

I do thank you God every day for this

3 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

As opposed to the malignant driver... 

"I didn't look"

What to say ...?

A benign turn?? OMG

3 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

This is POTUS and you really believe if the task that day was  "PROTECT POTUS AT ALL COSTS"...

that turn would have never been allowed... 

Totally agree

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Permindex and CMC were CIA connected. Angleton was friends with several of the Italians, and was also in charge of the Israel desk in CIA and very close, enough to take several vacations in Israel. CMC supplied funds to the right wing generals who tried many times to kill DeGaulle. I’m rereading Our Man in Haiti, a very important book in my opinion. Where I think this all gets really interesting is Phillipe De Vosjoli. Check it out. I’m out of time now - try to write more later, maybe on a different thread. 

Liked very much your post. Thank you. About Mellen's book, in Metta's book there's far far more about that France 

20 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Again, thanks for bringing this into the light... definitely adds texture to the situation...

Welcome. The point is that Byrd and CMC are now connected. Besides, consider that for months before the assassination that building was empty, as a stage waiting for the farse to begin. I understand that "being friends with" is not what you are looking for, but, as you said, for sure Metta's discovery is a very important step towards the truth. Finally: Metta's article is not on LeMay. Thanks again

1 minute ago, David Josephs said:

LeMay

David,

from the very beginning of Metta's new article, published few days ago, this is my translation:

It’s already happened twice, during my search for the truth about JFK assassination, to have the pleasure of crossing my path with that of other researchers. It occurred with the American Jim DiEugenio, esteemed author, from whom I had the honor to be praised and encouraged. It occurred with the tenacious Canadian John Kowalski, who made it possible for me to compare my documents with a series of collimating data proceeding from the Archives of Canada. It happens again now, with another good US researcher: Linda Minor. Linda has in fact cleverly investigated a too often not adequately debated element of the plot against John Kennedy: that concerning the place from which Lee Oswald, the scapegoat of Dallas, was accused of shooting with a Carcano on November 22, 1963 despite evidence to the contrary. Comparing United Press dispatches and other material, Linda has emphasized something important about David Harold Byrd’s life. In fact, he was not only the owner of the building at 411 of Elm Street and by Byrd himself leased to the Texas Books Depository, the book company that hired Oswald. Besides this, Byrd was also an ultraconservative entrepreneur, and a friend of some of JFK’s worst enemies like General Curtis LeMay and oilman H. L. Hunt. Byrd, like Hunt, was rich because of his own possessions of oil but, unlike Hunt, also of uranium. However, the control of his empire, namely Byrd Oil which included Byrd Uranium, was then in 1956 passed – Linda has discovered - in the hands of A. M. Abernethy, who in fact became its president, while Byrd remained as Board chairman, as well as the name of Byrd Oil stayed untouched. Well, above Abernethy there was a very important Jew: Arie Ben-Tovim, former Consul of Israel in Montreal from 1949 to 1950, and then in New York from 1951 to 1952. Here, Linda’s study stops. An inevitable halt, since, unlike me, she does not have the exclusive CMC papers I instead own. Papers that reveal the following: Arie Ben-Tovim was also a CMC member. Yes.

4 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

yes he was

Thanks, David

That was exactly the document I was referring to. I am really deeply interested in this also because my work mate, the Italian journalist Michele Metta, discovered the existence of an impressive, astonishing link between Byrd, 411 Elm Street owner, and a Centro Mondiale Commerciale member. CMC is of course the very same CMC Clay Shaw worked for in Rome 

5 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

I guess that Paz has already asked the question if Mayor Earle Cabell had played any role in planning and approving the motorcade route.  In his phone call with Chief Curry during the time when Lee Oswald was led for his execution, Cabell discussed with Curry a torch parade on that night. If Cabell was involved in planning/approving a parade to commemorate President Kennedy, didn't he also take part in approving the motorcade route?

Thank you, Andrej. Yes, I asked that, especially since now we know he was a CIA asset 

Definitely, Bart and Paul, you should learn Italian. The lesson is: the Italian side is as much important as the USA side. For too much time you all in the United States had believed that to speak English is enough to understand who killed JFK. Well, it is not