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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Since you’ve ordered the microfilm for the Manhattan phone books in question, I’ll hold off on ordering scans from the NYPL.
Jim:
I did not order copies of the NYC telephone directory. You can use the link I sent you to login and place your order. Provide them with the names and dates and they will tell you how much it will cost to copy them.
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51 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
It wasn't Robert Oswald's wife who had Hungarian ancestry, it was John Edward Pic's wife, Margaret Dorothy Fuhrman. For some unexplained reason, Albert Jenner was very interested in her parents. Jenner targeted John Pic's knowledge of their background with his very first questions . . .
Why?
Paul:
Jenner was very interested in her background even though it should not have been relevant to someone investigating JFK's assassination.
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1 hour ago, John Kowalski said:
NYPL have these directories on microfilm. I placed an order for them for the years 1946-1949.
Hi Jim:
Sent you a link for ordering the NYC telephone directories. You will have to login and create an account then place your order.
I ordered documents and photographs from the Louis Weinstock collection and will upload them when I receive them.
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On 3/16/2024 at 8:30 PM, Jim Hargrove said:
Fred Blair (aka Carroll Blair?)
Louis Weinstock
Edwin Ekdahl, and
Emil and/or Grace Gardos (Grace Gardos was in the 1945 directory at 217 E 86th)NYPL have these directories on microfilm. I placed an order for them for the years 1946-1949.
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Frank Wisner was a Wall Street lawyer and during WW II worked for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the CIA). After World War II ended thousands of Eastern European refugees were brought to the United States under his supervision. National Security Council (NSC) records show that Wisner, the CIA's director of clandestine operations, oversaw the re-location of thousands of anti-Communist exiles to the United States as a means of rewarding them for conducting secret operations against the Soviets. Wisner became the CIA and State Department’s expert on European war refugees, and secretly subsidized the refugee relief organizations that brought these Eastern Bloc refugees to the United States throughout the 1940s and early 1950s.
"Wisner and his group recognized they could use these Eastern European immigrant's knowledge, customs, and familiarity with their respective homelands. Wisner asked the National Security Council (NSC) to sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees, and they (the NSC) agreed. The NSC soon issued a top-secret intelligence directive (NSCID No. 14), which even today remains "classified," that authorized both the FBI and the CIA to find and jointly exploit the knowledge, experience, and talents of well over 200,000 Eastern European refugees resettled in the USA. The CIA soon contacted the Displaced Person's Commission (DPC), which worked closely with the leaders of refugee organizations in the USA...."Jim:
Very interesting post. This could be a source for learning more about young Harvey. Have you or John A attempted to find out anything about the DPC? It should be on the list.
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On 3/16/2024 at 8:30 PM, Jim Hargrove said:
Can you think of any other relevant issues I’ve neglected to list above? I’d like to keep a running list of these issues.
MK-Ultra sub-projects 65 and 82 deal with Hungarian refugees, 89 deals with Hungarian repatriation.
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21 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Can you think of any other relevant issues I’ve neglected to list above? I’d like to keep a running list of these issues.
Jim:
Was Robert Oswald's wife Hungarian? if yes add her to your list.
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20 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
If the only way to answer the issue immediately above involves printed Manhattan telephone directories, can we find an inexpensive NYC researcher willing to go to the NYPL and search for us? I’ll try to contact the library next week about this.
Can you think of any other relevant issues I’ve neglected to list above? I’d like to keep a running list of these issues.
Jim:
Even though we do not know his birth name I would add refugee societies to the list. These would include Hungarian immigrants providing assistance to refugees from Hungary, the American Red Cross and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration which provided relief and resettlement camps for war victims. Their headquarters was in NYC. They are no longer in existence but their documents are at the United Nations archives.
Let me contact the NYPL before looking for a researcher. Have a list of items from the Weinstock papers that I want to review, and will add the New York telephone directory for 1945-1949 to the list. Will also inquire about Yorkville community newspapers and alternatives to the city directory.
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Link is for a story about the Mauser by James Day.
https://jamesfday.medium.com/the-jfk-assassination-hunting-down-the-mauser-6c30c8f6c6e5
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15 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
For the third time, p. 136, second-to-last paragraph.
Do not recall seeing this in your posts. If it was in one of them it was buried in one of your many irrelevant posts about the Cold war and hence I did not see it.
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5 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
No one has found out, prior to me, that Weinstock met Gardos in 1959 in Hungary before the latter went into the USSR.
Matt: what is your source for this?
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11 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
When you refer to the NYC City Directory, is that different than the Manhattan telephone directory (or phone books for the other boroughs)? Also, did the NYPL provide an answer about the years 1945-1949? If memory serves, the 1945 directory I found Grace Gardos listed in was online from the NYPL.
Yes they are different. Much more information in a city directory than there is in the telephone book you found online. A directory will provide the names of all people who live at an address not just the name of the person whose telephone number it is. NYPL got back to me and said that the directories were no produced after 1934.
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18 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
The fact that you personally may not understand the implications is no cause whatever to deny others who do understand the implications from adding to them here. If mods want to lock the thread, and keep it a fiefdom amongst you three, perhaps you ought to request that.
This forum has many threads in which forum members discuss various aspects of JFK's assassination. Each thread has one topic. Sandy started a separate thread with your posts. You can discuss the Cold War with anyone on this forum who is willing to discuss it with you.
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18 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
You completely ignored all of the salient points in my response to your question, all of which tie directly to the persons identified in the call. I'll just say if you want to solve the mystery of who Lee Harvey Oswald was, you need to understand the Cold War.
Did not ignore the salient points of what you said. As you can tell by the posts on this thread, what we are trying to achieve here is to determine the identity of the man who was accused of assassinating JFK. Our main lead is the Bentley call. We do not have to understand the Cold War to find his identity, what we must do is search for documents that will lead to his identification.
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10 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:
I have explained that several times already on this thread and the other. In short, if indeed E. Bentley made the call to the Tippits of CT sveral things unfold from that.
1. Obviously it indicates that the famous Red Spy Queen has knowledge of Oswald in the 40s in NYC. Bad for the official story.
2. It opens up investigation into the Tippits. Tried that here before -- no one seems to want to go where that goes.
You are obviously very interested in the Cold War but this thread is not about that. It is about John A's book Harvey and Lee in which he proves that a man took on Lee Harvey Oswald's identity and then defected to the Soviet Union. In this thread, the significance of the call to me is about what it can tell us about young Harvey, the boy Bentley told Tippit about. This is why Jim, Paul and I have been doing research on the Tippit family in Connecticut and the Gardos in NYC.
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22 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
A search for "1946 Manhattan phone book" or something similar produced multiple working sources, including the NYC Public Library and several others. Looking virtually inside the 1946 phone book worked beautifully on several sites, but when I tried for 1948, there was just a brick wall. Lots of references, lots of libraries to visit in person, but no ability to look inside the 1948 book online. My bet is it is either a copyright exclusion or a limit to how many people are willing scan and publish that many pages.
Jim:
What we need is the NYC City Directory. This directory will provide the names of each person living at an address listed in the directory. NYPL has city directories online up to the year 1934. Contacted them today regarding obtaining copies of the directory for 77nd avenue and 2nd avenue for the years 1945-1949.
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5 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:
Hinging further discussion and analysis to whether say Fred Blair walked on the sidewalk on 2nd Avenue in Yorkville at some point in 1948 or not is beside the point, and avoids discussing the full significance of the call.
What do you think is the significance of the call?
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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Any help would be appreciated.
Jim:
Checked Ancestry, they do not have the Manhattan 1947 or 1948 telephone directory.
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20 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Was it normal back then to register for the draft when in your forties?
Maybe they wanted to know where all men were even though they may not ask them to serve.
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6 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
How 'bout some books?
Free digitized copy of Clever Girl is available on Internet Archive.
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19 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
John -- That's quite a file, but it seems to end in the 1950s, at least from what I've browsed through so far. Do you know of anything else on Bentley that goes to or approaches 1963? Or do you think much more was unlikely after she changed teams?
Do not have anything else on her except her will that is been sent to me by mail.
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22 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Do either of you know how to access the Manhattan phone book after 1946 or 1947? It was simple to gain access to the 1946 book, but I spent an hour trying to look through the 1948 edition without success.
How did you access 1946? Have you tried Ancestry for the 1948 one?
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Paul.
Have you know who George and Margaret Paecoast are? According to an FBI document Bentley lived with them in Westport CT for 4 months in 1950. Their address is about 12 miles from where Tina Tippit lived.
The document is on pg. 916 of an FBI Bentley file which is over 2,000 pages.
https://archive.org/details/bentleyelizabethterrillhqandnyc/page/n915/mode/2up?view=theater
The Anonymous Phone Call to the Tippits of Connecticut
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Bentley's left everything to her cousin Edwin Burdick or his descendants.
https://archive.org/details/bentley-will