Tony Krome

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Jean said she and Mary were not in front of the Grassy Knoll, but rather they were across the street from the Southwest corner of the TSBD.

It was Specter that drew the TSBD building on that rough map. Note that he has drawn the building as an obvious rectangle, not a square. The lower part of the building running down the Elm Street extension ends right behind the pergola as seen on the map below.

48 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Boom came over his right shoulder and he saw it's effect. 

Yep, right where Bowers saw a flash of light and smoke;

1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said:

I prefer witnesses such as Bill and Gayle Newman

Great witnesses, interviewed within 30 minutes. Bill Newman has all sounds heard coming from directly behind his position. He says all sounds came from "behind us" "top of the hill" the "mall" the "mound" the "garden".

Yet, what does he and his wife do? They protect their infant children by facing them in the direction of where they thought the sounds came from. This could possibly be explained in that they saw blood and mayhem in front, so they spun away from scene.

35 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

Jean Hill is an unreliable source. She constantly changed and embellished on her

statements.

The earliest witness statements, I've found, are usually more accurate. A later "embellishment" example would be Frazier where we have him seeing a man placing a rifle into the trunk of car parked on the Elm St extension minutes after the shootings.

As far as the "missed shot" is concerned, Jean Hill certainly has corroboration with many others witnessing a pavement strike.

One early criticism of Jean Hill, was the "white dog" she thought she saw between the Kennedys lying on the seat. It turned out to be white flowers, but in some photos I've seen at Love field, the flower arrangement does resemble a stuffed toy. Yet, she did see something white, and that tells us just how close she was. She was able to see right down into the middle of the back seat. Jean Hill made the "white dog" statement that afternoon, before she could have known there was anything white there in existence.

The above critic example, is what can be used to totally discredit an otherwise valuable witness. Researchers read the critic, then switch off the witness entirely. Not wise.

20 minutes ago, Mark Tyler said:

Notice how he refers to two shots at the beginning (just like Jean Hill did).  The shot that hit the road couldn't possibly be the shot that hit JFK & Connally so this proves that two shots were fired at the beginning in the first burst of gunfire.

So now we bring in Toni Foster. She's walking up behind Jean Hill. The first thing she heard was "click click, they were just that fast".

Yes, I have the "missed shot" along a strip of pavement by the curb between Jean Hill and the driver's side of the limo. I believe it may have been Sorrels via Decker that told Jean Hill. Sorrels escorted witnesses over to the Sheriff's office. 

11 hours ago, Richard Price said:

Chris, either I'm not perceptive enough or the image you posted is not in z212 on my downloaded Costella set of individual z frames.  I do however have a question about what I do see in z212 on the Costella set on my computer.  I have a pointer and text to identify the location where I'm seeing the VP limo (prior to the turn on Elm) pasted into the back seat of the Queen Mary (between SS agents).  I would also note that the insertion cuts the windshield off on the right (viewing left).  I don't want to hijack the thread away from your destination as traveling along your planned itenerary has taught me much.  Carry on!

I believe what you see with the cut off windshield, is actually Kinney's right side of his black jacket.. The white directly next to it (left as we view) would be the middle top of the front seat. The white all along the top would be the chrome strip and raised sun-visors. For about 3 frames, it does look like a white car turning.

Jean Hill reported that a secret service agent told her that a bullet kicked up dust right by her feet;

Mrs. HILL - Then, he asked me I was asked did I know that a bullet struck at my feet and I said, "No; I didn't." And he said, "What do you think that dust was?" And I said, "I didn't see any dust."

Jean Hill's feet bullet is almost certainly the Ellis missile;

On August 5, 1978, the committee received information from former Dallas policeman Starvis Ellis that Ellis had also seen a missile hit the ground in the area of the motorcade at the time of the assassination. Ellis said he rode on a motorcycle alongside the first car in the motorcade, approximately 100 to 125 feet in front of the car carrying President Kennedy.(351) Ellis said that just as he started down the hill of Elm Street, he looked back toward President Kennedy's car and saw debris come up from the ground at a nearby curb.

The Jean Hill feet bullet and the Ellis missile is almost certainly the Rackley bullet;

In an FBI interview on November 24, 1963, Mrs. Virgie Baker (nee Rackley) reported that at the time she heard the first shot, she looked in the direction of the triple underpass and saw what she presumed to be a bullet bouncing off the pavement.

The Jean Hill, Ellis and Rackley bullet is almost certainly the Chism bullet;

The Sixth Floor Museum interview with Ricky Chism recounting what his mother told him;

Ricky Chism: The first shot hit the ground and ricocheted off the ground

Fagin: She actually saw sparks on the ground?

Ricky Chism: Yes, she seen the spark hit the ground

What we can now determine, is that at the moment of the first audible shot, a bullet hit the pavement right by Jean Hill's feet.

Original topic changed. Same subject.

1. During his employment at the TSBD

2. Prior to his employment at the TSBD but after he arrived in Dallas

3. While he was in New Orleans

Brehm: "the car then took off in a zig-zag motion"

Mr. GREER. I was following the contour of the road, the center of the contour of the road as it goes. 

Mr. SPECTER. When you accelerated your automobile, did you at any time come alongside of or pass the police car in front of you? 
Mr. GREER. No, sir; I never passed it. 

Which person above was not telling the truth?

4 hours ago, Mark Tyler said:

Two days later he gave a full statement where he mentioned a third shot after the head shot

Brehm's 2nd shot "absolutely destroyed the President's head". Anything after that may well relate to extra shots heard by Jean Hill. and may not concern the sequence of shots related to JFK. If Brehm said the shots were evenly spaced, it follows he heard the flurry as one shot, and then you would have to add many seconds to any 3rd shot. 

Brehm's 2nd shot is the same as Landis' 2nd shot;

Landis: "It was at this moment that I heard a second report and it appeared that the President's head split open with a muffled exploding sound."

They both heard the flurry as one shot

On 5/4/2021 at 3:29 AM, Tony Krome said:

Hickey discerned between the two rapid fire shots, he said the first of the rapid shots disturbed JFK's hair, the second impacted his head.

14 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Tony K--

Thanks for reading and your comment.

On Sibert and O'Neill, do you have a cite?

They said something was fishy, and they thought JFK's head showed signs of surgery prior to arriving in the Bethesda, although they are not surgeons. 

What is curious is the number of very close witnesses who say three separate shots hit JFK, Connally, JFK...and then say LHO did it alone. The three SS men in the follow car to the JFK limo all say that. 

But, that does not add up. A single shot bolt-action rifle cannot accomplish that, in the time allowed. 

 

 

 

O'Neill: .... people keep forgetting Mr. Connally, Governor Connally, denied the single-bullet theory one hundred percent. He's an eyewitness. He's right there! People overlook his testimony on that, then say, "Well, the movie shows something else." I don't give a damn about the movie! This is the man who was there. He was the one who was hit. He should know what happened.

When questioned about the single-bullet theory and Arlen Specter, Sibert responded: "What a xxxx. I feel he got his orders from above—how far above I don't know."

[Law - In the Eye of History]

I'm with O'Neill, I don't give a damn about the movie either

Sibert and O'Neill were anti SBT, so I suppose without the SBT there's a few problems

2 hours ago, John Butler said:

105+ witnesses said shooting occurred elsewhere, in front of the TSBD mostly.

There's a cross on Elm St. Appears to be in front of the TSBD. Maybe thats what they meant;

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43 minutes ago, Chris Bristow said:

It's hard to evaluate because I don't know the speed of that car. At 25 miles an hour it would be going 3 times the speed of the limo. 

Another photo to compare is the Croft photo. I believe he was using a 35mm, unsure of shutter speed. What I did was convert the Croft photo to black & white and compared the blurred people in the background to the people in Moorman. If you find time to do likewise, let me know what you think.

1 hour ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

I like this theory geometrically, but why have I seen no testimony that a bullet hit the windshield at the time of throat shot?

The two closest witnesses, Kellerman and Greer, in testimony, state they had no idea the windshield was damaged that day. Kellerman I believe, Greer not so much. At the time of this shot, a loud firecracker noise was heard and as you know, everyone was looking in different directions. 

I would suspect there would have been tiny glass particles that flew with the slug, possibly striking the face of the target. 

13 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Tony,

I think this is one of the many Youtube videos about guns that are not quite accurate

I was actually looking for proof that a regular 22 would not have enough power, and whether or not the video is fake, the bullet was not up to the task.

7 minutes ago, George Govus said:

Thank you.

So we can loop Jackie back in as a suspect, correct?

Sorry. Joke. Bad joke.

Years ago we heard that Jackie shot from a gun hidden in her purse.  Then we heard that Greer turned around and shot him. Then we had the spinning umbrella gun and swamp people shooting from the drain hole. I can't understand why Nellie escaped scrutiny

A regular 22 bullet almost replicates the above scenario in this video. Watch till the end and you will see it penetrate the windshield, penetrate a headrest and smash into the rear window.

27 minutes ago, Robin Unger said:

Towner GIF TSBD Doorway

The more I watch this gif, the more the limo rides like a flying carpet.

34 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

Thanks Tony,

Two things; I have never seen the bubble top and had the wrong impression, I was expecting a black hard top with side and rear windows. Thanks for that. 
 

The throat wound is always thought of as lower calibre, it doesn’t seem to have the power to have exited, could that bullet have ever exited from the rear having had to go through two layers of skull? Also had it been higher calibre, was there a risk of casualties behind the presidential limo? That could screw the SBD narrative. 

In answer for the 2nd question, we bring in the full Altgens 6 photo, see how it misses the SS agents;

I would think after exiting the bubble top, the power of the bullet would be greatly reduced.

The first question regarding the power and type of bullet used is a good one. I'm sure there are others here that could offer more expertise. Ron's thinking is along the lines of a 22, and there are many specialty types of rounds in that calibre. A larger calibre round also makes sense in that it should match the penetrating holes left by the first shooter. I have the original shells found by the Sniper's Nest window as 7.65, to be later substituted by 6.5. I have a theory on why the substitutions occurred, but thats for another day.

9 minutes ago, George Govus said:

That limo had a control on the dash to raise and lower the back seat, did it not? Do we know just where that control was located? Could Greer have been fiddling with that?

I read somewhere it was in reach of the rear passengers.

4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

I like that logic about the bubble top, I am adamant that throat shot went through the windshield. Could JFK’s head still have been shot from the back from the TSB through the bubble top back window. If the bubble top is on, I would guess the north knoll (grassy) becomes the most accessible angle to kill JFK from. Shortest range and no obscuring the view. I am just trying to understand how or where Oswald should have been if the bubble top was on the car. 

The line of trajectory, if the first intended head shot through the windshield was successful, would be straight through the top of JFK's forehead and out through the rear of the bubble top. We have seen how easily the WC converted a frontal shot into a shot from the rear. So reverse the line of fire so that the bubble top is the first point of penetration, then JFK, then into the windshield. The beauty of it is, is that the vertical firing angle does not need to exact, they would bring deflection into the mix.

Substitute the dark guy below with Kennedy;

23 minutes ago, Richard Price said:

It's been a long time since I posted this, but I was searching to see if anyone familiar with the limo knew specifically what the knobs on the upper middle portion of the dash controlled (as circled below).  My reason for this (at the time) were twofold.  One, I don't know what they control and I am innately curious/skeptical and want to know more about anything I am studying.  Two, I believe at the time some of the subjects being discussed were, the open microphone in the motorcade, the possible involvement of SS agents in the shooting scenario, particularly the driver, since he appeared to do just about everything wrong according to security protocols.  Probably just a complete coincidence, but the timing of his "tinkering" with a knob on the dash only a second(s) before the shooting began by most researchers estimate just got my attention.  Does anyone on the forum who has seen or researched the limo know for sure what these knobs controlled?

My take is that Kellerman would have been the agent that would have adjusted anything at the centre console whilst in a parade. The driver then has the responsibility of concentrating on driving. The Lincoln is a large vehicle and my guess is that it would involve a purposeful reach to adjust the controls in the middle of the dash. I just don't see Greer reaching. I see his hand on the transmission selector.

As you said, Greer did everything wrong, but as far as the snipers were concerned, he did everything right.