Tony Krome

You guys jumped a little too quick, the bullet was right where she said it was.

39:45

Aynesworth turns to Frazier: You do believe Oswald fired out that window, don't you?

Frazier: I've been told that

Crowd laughs

Chris,

The gif directly above would have Hughes standing more towards the centre of Houston than I believe he was. If you look at the frame I posted in the original post, you will also see that the axle gap is very obvious, and that I have been conservative in my angle calculations, in other words, I believe the swing may be wider.

One can squeeze the limo into the Elm St centre lane and ignore Truly's comments, disregard the repeated re-enactments whereby the limo stand in vehicle originates from Position A, and determine alternate reasons why we don't see the Zapruder turn onto Elm. Then there's the Towner splice and the bizarre jerky Dorman film, which I don't believe for a minute that it was actually the way she filmed it. You mentioned shenanigans. What I believe they did with Dorman is the same thing they did with Zapruder. What we see, in certain sections of film, is the zoomed in version, which effectively blanks out the broader view. The evidence for this, is in the Zapruder testimony ... if you read it very closely.

As for Truly lying about the wide turn as a coverup? As DJ pointed out, it was an impromptu comment. Truly may have been coerced into falling in line with the Baker story, but that comment about the Elm St turn was legit. 

"Hood's tasting of the pooled liquid and stating it was blood is a hugely bolstering piece of information regarding this truly being spilled blood imo"

Combine all the information you have in the immediate area, and see if it develops into a sensible story;

Pool of liquid

Taste test determines blood

Pool of blood indicating stationary victim

Blood trail towards TSBD

No body

If someone was shot and bleeding to the extent they couldn't move, and yet there was a blood trail, there is the possibility that the victim was whisked away by persons unknown.

We know Bowers noticed strangers. We know cops were encountering what they believed to be Secret Service agents all around the TSBD. Whether they were SS or not, it makes no difference. There were strangers all through there.

Couch said blood trail to TSBD entrance. There was a side entrance.

Then we have Mr. X at Parkland who needs blood.

I can't imagine an everyday citizen requiring a Mr. X label.

I think it was Price over there at Parkland that mentioned an injured SS agent. Now this SS agent approached Price, he was not bleeding, but he had minor injuries, bruising etc. Was this agent in some sort of altercation? If he's somehow connected with the blood pool victim, there may of been a close up scuffle and shooting.

So how would a well trained and armed SS agent come away with injuries? Well, Mr. X may have been his equal.

So the cops find the Beckley address in Oswald's pocket .... but they miss a pocket full of bullets?

whatever

Landis (right rear running board) was tracking a black male running left to right up through there. He was looking to where he thought a shot came from (front and right) Landis had his gun out, he was pointing at him, but could not see anything in his hands.

The thing with the blood pool, the size of it infers the victim came to a full stop and really bled out.

If anybody was lying there, Landis's black male would have virtually leapt over the body.

Unless, of course, Landis actually popped a few rounds off.

Come to think of it, Jean Hill said she thought the SS returned fire.

Cheers Tony, that leads to the question, did the AP already have a photo on file from, say, the defection story or Oswald's arrest in New Orleans, or did they need to get one?

Photo was of Oswald on arrival at Police HQ circa 2pm taken by Kaufman

I have not gone back and tried to find this alleged claim that Mr. Johnson called the police after he saw Oswald's picture on the TV. This goes against everyone's account of what happened that afternoon. Who made this claim? I have never heard of such a phone call.

Different stories, no tenant ledger, rent payments on paper scraps, no photos of Oswald evidence in situ, beeping cops, connections to Ruby. Not real hard to work out.

3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

That would be 3pm. The Oswald photo was distributed at 2:55pm by AP

1 hour ago, James Norwood said:

There is an alternative explanation to Oswald's Russian language proficiency other than official training.  And that is simply that he was a native speaker of Russian.  It is the study of the evidence of the two Oswald's that offers a window into how this young man was fluent in Russian.

I'm willing to explore this possibility. This from H&L;

HARVEY first appears in Benbrook, TX, in June 1947

You have no idea as to Harvey's age, so let's say he's 6 years old at this point (based on average height, refer previous posts in this thread)

H&L have the Marguerite Imposter as not speaking Russian. There has to be communication between the two during 1947 and most likely much earlier.

So by 1947, you have this young boy proficient in Russian and the language of his native country, plus a sufficient grasp of english to communicate with the "mother".

We can now work out when Harvey learned Russian. It would have to be in Kindergarten.

12 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

There is eyewitness testimony that challenges Myra DaRouse's recall on the matter of the accent.  Ed Collier was one of the classmates of Oswald and apparently in the same homeroom of DaRouse.  Collier recalled that "we called him Yank because he had a Yankee accent."  Marilyn Murret, Oswald's cousin recalled that "it seems he was from the North, and so they ridiculed him in school....he was riding the streetcar one day, I believe, and he sat next to some Negroes.  Well, when he got out of the streetcar or bus, or whatever it was, these boys ganged up on him, and hit him in the mouth."  This testimony suggests that the boy known to Collier and Murret was from north of the Mason-Dixon line, did not speak with a Southern accent, and was unfamiliar with segregation practices in the Deep South.   

Exactly!

That fits in with my information that Myra DaRouse was at Beauregard for a total of 3 school years, 53/54, 54/55 and 55/56. When she said she had her home room in the second year, or middle year, she meant 54/55.

So we have Oswald coming in with a northern accent, being called Yankee, then by the time of Myra DaRouse, he's mastered the southern accent.

This scenario would account for what looks like conflicting witness accounts.

11 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

When I wrote "the exact age of Oswald," I was referring to the exact age of the American-born Oswald. 

What has the American born Oswald have to do with you're paragraph below?

(2)  A second point is that, depending on the family, a child growing up in Eastern Europe either during the war or in the postwar years, may have learned to speak Russian at home, due to bilingual parents.  A colleague of mine was a Holocaust survivor from Poland, who would have been almost the exact age as Oswald.  The colleague informed me that in his childhood he had already learned to speak both Polish and Russian at home prior to starting school.

I should think from you're perspective, determining the age of the subject that you are examining regarding the proficiency of languages, would help. By the time that you're Harvey is known to attend school in 1953, possibly at the very young age of 11 or 12, he would be speaking at least three different languages. First, the language of the country you decide to originate him from, secondly, the Russian language, and thirdly, the English language.

Not only that, by 1953, he has mastered the American accent of both northern and southern American schools. A witness that H&L relies on, Mrya DaRouse, stated quite clearly that "Harvey" spoke exactly like the others students at Beauregard. She went as far as to say she could not believe the boy had been in New York very long.

6 hours ago, James Norwood said:

A colleague of mine was a Holocaust survivor from Poland, who would have been almost the exact age as Oswald.       

I may have missed something, buy how do you know Harvey's age?

H&L have Harvey's height in 1953/54 as 4'8"

The average Hungarian male height in the 1950s for 12 year olds was 4'8" and they began to level off at around age 18 at 5'8"

If you're Harvey was Hungarian and of average height, would not his probable birth year be 1941/42?

Bowley - rolled Tippit over, grabbed his gun and placed it on the front seat of Tippit's car

Callaway - rolled Tippit over, grabbed his gun and placed it on the hood of Tippit's car

Butler - noticed a gun on the street behind his ambulance by Tippit's left wheel, picked it up and placed it on the hood of Tippit's car

Benavides - Callaway grabbed the gun out of Tippit's hand and went over to Scoggin's cab

Markham - Somebody turned Tippit over, grabbed his gun and left

Callaway - Somebody put the gun on the front seat of Tippit's car

Below is a Dorman collage with an overlay from the SS re-enactment.

This angle gives you an idea on the distance from the Towners to the motorcade as described in the previous post. A good 20 feet or even more.

Also shows how wide they took that corner. I placed the overlay there to depict the Queen Mary with axle gap as it traversed Station C, so you need to place the JFK limo 5 feet in front of that.

What is the correct procedure when you exit you're patrol car?

You call it in.

Tippit demonstrates he did follow the correct procedure;

"Be out of the car a minute, 4100 block of Bonnie View"

So here he was again, at 10th, about to exit his patrol car.

Prior to stopping, Tippit was cruising real slow, he was cautious, he had his wits about him.

He pulls up across an alley exit. Why? Because there's a guy right there he wants to talk to..

He chats with this guy on 10th through the passenger window.

Tippit could see the other police car facing him from the alley.

But a chat wasn't enough, was it?

The guy was suspicious to Tippit.

Two police cars blocked his escape.

He asks the guy to step back from the side of his patrol car.

Time to get out, unclasp his weapon, call it in

radio call omitted

We don't want that pesky early radio call stuffing up the super assassin's public transport escape timeframe do we?

Tippit exits and slowly moves towards the front left side of his patrol car, he has his gun down by his side, his eyes warily watching the suspect.

Tippit was a crack shot, very handy with a weapon, but so was his adversary.

The suspect suddenly reached for his weapon, Tippit saw the move.

But he was no match, his opponent was a regular gunslinger, shooting from the hip, at belt level.

Three quick shots to Tippit's torso, two of which penetrated at an upward angle, the other hits his buckle.

Tippit clutched his stomach as he falls on his left side to the 10th street pavement.

He's wounded badly, but still alive ........ one more shot to the head to make sure.

The gunslinger empties his chamber and mutters as he walks away "poor dumb cop"

But wait .... there's cops in the alley right? They'll give chase and dish out Texas style justice to the person that killed their comrade!

Nope ..... one walks forward to confirm the kill, then retreats back up the alley.

DJ

Both of the photos above are very helpful. Please note the following;

1. Directly behind Betzner can be seen the grass line straightening in a north/south direction.

You can refer to the picture in my original post to see the north/south grass line on the plat.

This grass line, if extended north from Betzner, would approximate with Mother Towner's position.

Therefore, Betzner's photo of the JFK limo is in approximately the same position as the JFK limo in my original post.

2. Note Mr. Towner's shadow in both the Betzner photo and the Dorman frame above.

You can see that his shadow approximately represents his height, maybe even longer.

Lets say Mr. Towner is off the kerb by 2 feet, add the shadow, and we can work out the tip of his shadow head would extend at least 8 feet in a north north/east direction. It could be as much as 10 feet.

If you refer to the Betzner photo, you can see that his shadow points directly to the JFK limo rear wheel, and if extended, would point towards the north west corner of the Dal-Tex building. You can at least double the above distances to the JFK limo's rear wheel.

3. Note that front steering wheel of the JFK limo in Betzner is not at full lock.

4. With all the above info, bring up google maps, find Mr. Towner's position off the kerb, place your google measure tool on his position and extend it towards the Dal-Tex building.

That line will intersect the JFK limo's rear wheel as seen in Betzner. Looking at the Betzner photo, my guess is around 18 to 20 feet to the JFK rear wheel from the kerb.

Without full lock, the JFK limo appears destined to match Truly's testimony.

We can now see why the Towner splice is where it is. As Truly said, the limo "perceptively slowed" as closed in on the abutment. The splice allowed the perception of constant speed around the Elm/Houston corner.

"I'm still trying to get straight in my head."

There was a driveway/lane that Tippit blocked with his car. It ran back down to an alley that ran parallel with 10th, Check that out.

Note below how Mr. Tyler manages to position the JFK limo into the Elm St centre lane in his impressive Motorcade 63 work.

If we overlay a vehicle, in this case the JFK limo with exposed rear axle, over the top of Mr. Tyler's Queen Mary, we find that the "axle gap" would not have been visible in the Hughes film frame.

The left side of the picture below shows the angle needed to expose the gap.

We know the Queen Mary tracked the JFK limo approximately 5 feet off the rear bumper, so it follows the JFK limo would have strayed into the Elm St RH lane as Truly described.

DJ

Brehm was in a very good position to view Elm/Houston;

He and his son stood right at the curb on the grass and saw the President's car take a wide swing as it turned left from Houston Street into Elm Street.[FBI statement 24th Nov 63]

As for why they left Truly's statement in the record, was he one of the few to sign off on his testimony? 

DJ,

Position A is the key to understanding Elm st. Remarkable effort went into obliterating what happened at the Elm/Houston corner as you are well aware. We are left with scraps. Greer was a professional driver who would have studied the motorcade route. So then you ask what was the effect of pushing your nose into the abutment?

Search terms for collaboration witnesses for Truly's claim include "wide turn". Towner's limo? Well, that film is in my entertainment folder, but it does give you an idea to what they were capable of.

The picture collage below includes the last frame of the Houston St section of the Hughes film.

The orientation of the Queen Mary as it traverses the Houston St north/south kerb line which intersects Station C, is forever fixed by the "Axle Gap".

The distance between the QM and the Elm St south kerb corner must accomodate the two motorcycles plus the spectators that can be seen stepping off the kerb in Dorman frames.

In the diagram below, I have used rolling chassis with wheels to demonstrate the QM's traversing angle while maintaining the "Axle Gap"

I believe the picture below validates Truly's claim that the Limo slowed and almost hit the island in front of the TSBD

Weatherford related??

30.06 shell casing under a lip of tar on the roof of the Records Building

17 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Oswald project

Earlier in this thread, Mr. Norwood provided an insight as to why the Marguerite Imposter frequently moved;

 If the schools were not receiving the documentation and Oswald's mother was not cooperating with full disclosure about previous schooling, the principal in the current school would have been applying pressure on the mother to account for the kid's previous records.  If the pressure became too intense, the Oswald imposter mother would pack up and move out-of-state.  Hence the rapid switches from New York to New Orleans to Texas to New Orleans and back again to Texas.  

The above quoted text implies that the Marguerite Imposter moved about due to personal pressure.

My question is: Do you believe the decisions to make "rapid switches" were made autonomously by the Marguerite Imposter?

I would appreciate a response to this question

5 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

"my face was inserted into the famous photo.  I'm just a Patsy!! ..........."

......... screamed Bulman from his Asylum window to reporters below.

"I can prove I'm from the future .... here, here .... these keys I have with me are for my time machine!!"

One by one, the reporters drifted away shaking their heads. Marked "never to be released", Bulman maintains Adam Johnson from the year 2020, strapped him in a "time machine" to change the course of history. A spokesman for the President told the press today that Kennedy believed that Bulman's motive was to go down in history, to be someone famous. Bulman's short dumpy mother told Life Magazine that he was innocent of the crime. Representing the mother and her son, Mark Lane told reporters that a Molotov Cocktail was thrown from the "Grassy Knoll" and that his client was being framed.

43 minutes ago, James Norwood said:

If the pressure became too intense, the Oswald imposter mother would pack up and move out-of-state.  Hence the rapid switches from New York to New Orleans to Texas to New Orleans and back again to Texas.  

Were the decisions to make "rapid switches" made autonomously by the Marguerite Imposter?