Tony Krome

44 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Did not one member of the press in the cars behind the presidential limo have any sound recording device operating when they got to the Houston Street turn off from Main?  Something they could have been talking into like a tape recorder?

Except for a left open motorcycle radio transmitter, we have not one sound recording device going in or near Dealey Plaza while JFK was being driven through?

"At 12:29, the microphone again stuck open and remained open for more than five minutes."

Very unfortunate timing. If not for the stuck mike, there could have been a Channel 1 transmission in the Plaza that captured the clear sequence of sounds. Nothing left to chance.

1 hour ago, Mark Tyler said:

There were a large number of witnesses who described two shots around the head shot.  If two shots were fired within a second of each other I suspect it would be difficult for a witness to know whether the Z313 shot was the first or the second in the sequence (what with the bullet travelling faster than the speed of sound over several hundred feet).

Hickey discerned between the two rapid fire shots, he said the first of the rapid shots disturbed JFK's hair, the second impacted his head.

7 hours ago, Mark Tyler said:

A few witnesses mentioned that the shots were equidistant, but I think they are a minority.  Using my burst theory earlier, audible shots at Z185, Z310, Z372 would qualify as the gaps would be 6.8 and 3.4 seconds.  

Hickey regarding the last two shots: "such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them"

Kellerman  regarding the flurry: "You have heard the sound barrier, of a plane breaking the sound barrier, bang, bang? That is it."

Landis actually heard the flurry (when the "President's head split open") as one shot, which gives us an idea how close together they were.

Bennett said the second shot of the flurry "followed immediately"

McIntyre said the last two shots were in "quick succession".

In other words, from the location of above SS agents, the sound-waves from two different weapons hit their eardrums almost simultaneously, or a single weapon that could rapid fire in very quick order. But since other earwitnesses from different parts of the plaza heard more of a gap in the flurry, the odds are that there were two different weapons in two different locations.

Both McIntyre and Landis said it was 5 seconds between the first sound they heard and the last sound they heard.

10 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

As a former cameraman, I wonder why the extant Zapruder film almost loses JFK at the bottom of

the frame at the time of the final shots, which is odd, since Zapruder did a generally good job

of panning and holding the camera study under great duress. I wonder if this oddity

is one of the artifacts of alteration.

If you read Zapruder's testimony carefully, he actually expresses surprise that the limo is "buried" low in the footage. IMO, the footage at that point was a zoomed view of the original footage. The zoomed view may hide activity between the camera and the limo. In other words, if the footage was zoomed back out, we would see activity on the grass, kerb, road etc

6 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

Some of the quotes from Thompson's new book mention the Limo turning in to the curb during the stop. 

Eddy, can you elaborate what was said about "turning in to the curb during the stop". In my recent post below, I quoted Truly saying he witnessed the limo swerving left and stopping. I'd be interested if there are similarities.

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

"Why he was aiming for the neck."  To take out his larynx and prevent any verbal reaction to the back shot or any other that wasn't the kill shot. 

On Friday night at Bethesda, Kellerman told O'Neill that he heard JFK speak, so obviously, according to Kellerman, the GK larynx shot failed. 

As you know, I have the GK as the source of the gunpowder smell, the smoke, the "firecracker" noise witnesses first heard, but not the shooter. In other words, a distraction. Which brings up a further question regarding you're proposed shot;

What type of 22 would cause smoke that was visible to witnesses?

Logically, smoke and noise is bound to attract attention. I can't imagine, if I were an assassin, that I'd signal my position. Its the same with the Sniper's nest, what assassin would extend his barrel over a crowd? What we have is ... look over here, look over there ... meanwhile, in a completely different position, the actual shooter calmly escapes unnoticed. 

7 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

A.  Shot to the throat, 22, over the wall.

The shot above (range approx 50 metres, negligible bullet drop) would have the cross-hairs trained on the top of his necktie, following the target with a slight traverse. If you're shooter was a professional assassin, you'd have to ask why he was aiming for the neck.

8 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

As I have stated several times, when a driver of a car turns his or her's upper body ( shoulders and head ) 180 degrees backward they would instinctively let up on the accelerator while doing so. In my 50 years of driving I've never not done this myself,

I drive a heavy car with automatic transmission, and I live on a hill. If I were to maintain a steady speed of say 12 to 15mph while descending the hill, my foot would be nowhere near the accelerator, it would be hovering over or applying slight pressure to the brake pedal.

"The first shot I heard I thought was a rifle shot. The second shot, the motorcade almost came to a halt. They said later that the president‘s car slowed to something like five miles an hour. I wondered what the hell they were stopping for when somebody is shooting. People were jumping out of the car in front of me [the Secret Service followup car] and running to the president‘s car. I thought maybe somebody had thrown a bomb in there. The third shot I heard was a rifle shot."

The above from Yarborough, reinforces my recent posts. I have Greer down as complicit. Greer stops or almost stops after the first intended kill shot. Greer did exactly the opposite of what a driver should have done. Greer ensured the wounded President was a stationary sitting duck. It was a fully loaded Presidential Limousine, a heavy car rolling down hill, which means you have to push that brake pedal hard. Then we are told the Greer mashed the accelerator when the flurry of shots came in. NO WAY! That lady dressed in all pink would have slid straight off the waxed trunk and onto the hard surface of Elm street. 

Clint Hill:  "one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head." , "I saw an opening in the back, about 6 inches below the neckline to the right-hand side of the spinal column."

Then, a supernatural metamorphosis occurred. The right rear gaping wound crawled up and over his ear. The back wound, taking note of the upward movement of the right rear gaping wound, then followed suit. The throat entry wound, which was carefully incised for a trach, transformed into a hideous scene from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

6 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Jean Hill yelling and distracting JFK, not so much.

 

Well, all I can say is that she was right there, and what I described fits in with what she stated;

Mrs. HILL - The President's car. We were standing on the curb and I jumped to the edge of the street and yelled, "Hey, we want to take your picture," to him and he was looking down in the seat---he and Mrs. Kennedy and their heads were turned toward the middle of the car looking down at something in the seat, which later turned out to be the roses, and I was so afraid he was going to look the other way because there were a lot of people across the street and we were, as far as I know, we were the only people down there in that area, and just as I yelled, "Hey," to him, he started to bring his head up to look at me and just as he did the shot rang out.

Keep in mind, Jean Hill was so close, she could see the white flowers sitting on the seat between JFK and Jackie, 

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

That's quite a miss for a sharp shooter at a short distance.  Exact center at the base of the throat to the brain area.  Approaching a foot, at least 8-10".  How does Oswald from behind play into this?  Would a shot intended, powerful enough to blow out the back of his head have blown out the back of his throat?

I recently read of Doug Horne commenting on the throat shot, thinking it might have been something like a 22.  Based in part on Dr. Malcom Perry's description of a small entry wound and more (the butchery of it to remove what was left of it).  His work on the ARRB and more.

I've speculated about this before.  People in this country have survived in part in years gone by (in most places) by shooting things like squirrels, in the head, to preserve the little meat.  Emulating my forefathers in my youth I have eaten smothered squirrel.  From 30 yards or so it's not a hard shot though moving even slowly would complicate it, although not much for a practiced expert.

A first shot to eliminate any verbal reaction, right in the larynx (voice box)?

The first shot sounded like a firecracker to some.  The pop of a 22 vs the louder ensuing booms?  

I hear what you're saying, but consider the following;

I have the shooter, looking through the scope, his cross-hairs trained on the very top of JFK's head, as the limo heads down Elm. To give you an idea where I have the shooter, look at Altgens camera view and imagine he's slightly to the right of Altgens and some distance behind Altgens.

The reason the cross-hairs are trained at the very top his head, is that the shooter knows the slope of the limo's windshield will deflect the the bullet slightly downward, meaning a successful shot would hit mid forehead.

The shooter begins to apply pressure to the trigger. At exactly this moment, Jean Hill yells at the President "HEY! we want to take your picture!". JFK and Jackie were looking at the flowers in the middle of the seat between them. When Jean Hill yelled out, JFK began to raise his head just as the shooter depressed the trigger.

The intended mid-forehead shot becomes the throat shot.

JEAN HILL: I yelled, "Hey," to him, he started to bring his head up to look at me and just as he did the shot rang out.

The "Cuban" spotter, leaning out from the kerb, signals a non fatal shot.

Greer hits the brakes, swerves slightly left, and stops.

Then the "flurry" of shots including the fatal head shot.

You asked how Oswald (or more accurately the sniper's nest), from behind, plays into this ... think about it, look down from above, or find South Knoll origin photos. It will all make sense.

8 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Tony,

That is the heart of my question. It appears to me, there is a blowout in the front of the head in the Z Film, but yet no one at Parkland mentions that. Do you propose the Z Film was altered to show that?

Here's what I propose. If the first shot, the shot that caused JFK to raise his hands to his throat, had of been a fatal headshot as intended, there would not have been a pause in the shooting followed by the "flurry". If the first shot was successful, Greer would not have depressed the brake pedal causing the limo to stop. Further, in the immediate days following the assassination of the President, the "Z-Film" would have been released in its true form.

The first unsuccessful shot immediately initiated plan B. It all went wrong from there.

"obvious blowout"

It was so obvious, the staff at Parkland didn't bother mentioning it.

On 4/19/2019 at 10:04 AM, Tony Krome said:

Another interesting part of Ricky Chism's interview is that his father told him he was tackled to the ground after turned to run up the slope. The person that tackled him kept asking "where's your weapon?"

This too has corroboration;

Lem Johns of the Secret Service;

"When the shots sounded, I was looking to the right and saw a man standing and then being thrown or hit to the ground"

Dallas housewife Marvin Faye Chism interviewed by NYPost;

After someone said the gunman “was up on the train tracks,” John charged off to try and catch him.

“The police threw him down,” Chism said

7 hours ago, Steven Kossor said:

After reading a few reviews of Thompson's Last Second in Dallas, and carefully reading the book myaelf, my eternal question will be:  “How did blood and gore exhaust from the right rear of JFK’s head onto the left rear (driver’s side) corner of the limo and onto officer Hargis who was riding slightly behind that position, unless the hole in the back of JFK’s head was “pointing” toward the left rear of the limo at the time he was shot in the head from the right front?”  A corollary question is “Why doesn’t ANY picture or movie of JFK’s killing show him looking at the Grassy Knoll (“pointing” the right rear of his head toward the left rear of the limo) at the time of a head shot that MUST have come from that direction?”  And finally:  “If none of the pictures or movies of JFK’s killing contain images of his turned head that MUST have been present on any of the several films exposed that day, why is it considered “scientific” to cite any of those obviously imprecise (doctored, edited, etc) media in the process of explaining what happened?

I’ll wait for my answer, but I won’t hold my breath.

Steve

I believe I can help here.

IMO, there are no publicly available films that accurately depict the limo's transit down Elm. Below is a witness example that calls into question the validity of the Z-Film;

James Simmons on the Triple Underpass;

Q: At the time of the third shot that you heard can you describe what President Kennedy's reaction was at that time as you saw it?

A: Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood.

Q: Which way did he fall?

A: To his left.

Q: What did the limousine do then?

A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way.

Truly stated in testimony, that he watched the limo "swerve to the left and stop"  further down Elm. Baker stated in testimony that Truly told him exactly that.

We have dozens of witnesses saying the limo stopped or almost stopped.

A more accurate limo transit would have the limo swerve to the left then stop. At least one motorcycle overshot the limo and ended up partially blocking the limo.

Again from the Triple Underpass;

Austin Miller, 76, was working near Dealey Plaza as a mail clerk and tariff compiler for the Texas-Louisiana Freight Bureau when he and several co-workers “just decided we’d walk over and see him.”

“We were on top of the overpass” west of the plaza, he said.

“Stood there for a while, talking to the other people there.”

After watching the motorcade wind its way through the streets, Miller said, “I heard three gunshots.”

“We first thought they were firecrackers, but then realized it wasn’t firecrackers after a little bit,” he said.

“We were looking right inside the limo. They were moving around in the car a lot, and the Secret Service men were trying to help him.”

“A few seconds after it happened, they took off. It was all done in a matter of seconds,” he added.

Other witnesses suggest more than one Secret Service Agent ran to the Limo;

Ellis;

http://merdist.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Ellis-two-agents.png

Hargis;

http://merdist.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Hargis-two-agents.png

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Raising the back wound?

Black Tape file;

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=32506#relPageId=1

Black Tape wrapping;

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=100873&relPageId=2

Black Tape 201 files mentioned in State Secret by Simpich;

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter3.html

"I left New Orleans in September, and I went the day after the assassination"

So de Brueys and Oswald both left NO in September. 

On 4/1/2021 at 11:26 PM, Steve Thomas said:

Tony,

Do you know of a list of Dallas FBI agents back in November of 1963? I know I've seen one somewhere. I don't remember de Brueys being on it. Maybe he wasn't assigned to the Dallas office.

"The report of SA Warren C. Debrueys , December 2, 1963, at Dallas, Texas, beginning on page 82 reports that Oswald had made application for employment at the Louisiana Division of Employment Security on April 26, 1963"

Pena: When Oswald was transferred to Dallas, de Brueys was transferred to Dallas at the same time.

Habighorst was the Police Patrolman in the Bureau of Identification who stated that Shaw freely admitted using the alias Clay Bertrand.

Habighorst rolls up to the Clay Shaw trial;

Q: Officer Habighorst, do you generally wear dark glasses?

A: I don't generally wear dark glasses. I was involved in a hit-and-run accident yesterday, and this is the only glasses I have until they are able to be repaired.

The following was posted here back in 2011;

Carlos Bringuier is quoted in the New York Times THE DAY AFTER the assassination that he thought Oswald was working for the CIA. It's on the front page. I have a copy of that paper sitting in a plastic wrapper in my closet. I've always felt that it showed how anyone could figure out the basics of what happened almost immediately. I'm sure a few intelligence folks in Washington freaked out.

Okay, here it is. I pulled it out of the closet and took it out of the plastic cover. Yes, it's the New York Times for Saturday, November 23rd, 1963. "Leftist Accused" is the headline on the top half of the front page. The reporter is Gladwin Hilll. 

The quote from Bringuier appears in that article -- but further in the paper where the article continues from the front page onto page 4. 

Amazing, huh? Next day, complete "leftist" profile with Bringuier making the intelligence connection.

Yes, I've seen that on-line version of the story and was not surprised to see the Bringuier paragraphs removed. I have no doubt that later editions of the story were hastily edited to remove his references to the FBI and CIA...most likely because they were accurate assessments. 

I assure you it's there in the original NY Times paper edition, which I've returned to its plastic bag and safe spot. I'd be delighted to show my old yellowed copy to anyone interested.

Anyone have an original hard copy of this article to confirm this?

2 hours ago, Tony Rose said:

Pretty important.  If Barnett only ran 20 past the northeast corner of the building, he couldn't see the railroad yard; the enclosed triangle of the dock was in the way.

He didn't say "northeast corner".

Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building.

Ron, the GK is the classic ambush, just like in the movies. The rifle man taking the high ground, the unsuspecting victim riding below through the canyon.

But there were no empty plains above the canyon for the rifle man to escape unnoticed. The planners would have known this. I have already mentioned the overlooking tower complete with observer, and that the area was fully expected to have cops converge on it immediately. Decker made sure the cops converged, and they did.

The planners had a "Secret Service" guy in that area, just like the "Secret Service" at the TSBD loading dock. These guys were there as arranged, to watch and report in real time.

If the GK site was a shooting platform, you would have to believe that the planners informed the shooter that he would be observed from the tower and that they told the shooter that cops would be heading his way within 20 seconds.

Just say a cop collared the rifle man. What then? There would have been a cop cuffing a guy surrounded by hundreds of people. No Oswald from that point on.