Leslie Sharp

55 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I think you protest too much. What are you afraid of?

 

I anticipated that retort, Sandy.  I'm "afraid" that this forum is not only failing to apply scrutiny evenly, it is being manipulated by unseen forces.

I refer you to my own experience here, and specifically to a 'review' of Coup posted here by Greg Doudna just nine days after CID hit the stands (did he actually read this tome in nine days?). Doudna chose to focus solely on a datebook, not its content, but the instrument he had never laid eyes on while failing to acknowledge the statements on provenance made by the (deceased) author who had put his professional reputation on the line.

Re. the Haveerstick book that you contend must be credible because forum members seem to think so: 

Can you address my bullet points one by one?  

June and Jerrie never closely resembled one another other than height. Hair color and style, as well as scars, can be manipulated but not skeletal features, or ears, mouth, eyes. June was not a licensed pilot. June was in the Amazon a decade before Jerrie.  Did June's doctor not realize he was sleeping with a well-known pilot who would soon pursue a role in the NASA programme, rather than a woman who returned ill from the Amazon who eventually went to work for him? Did his staff know the difference between a woman they likely came across in the media vs. a virtual unknown?  June, not Jerrie the Pilot, befriended Albarelli.

Are you convinced June (or Jerrie) Cobb was THE QJ/WIN  reporting directly to Harvey, overseeing hardened brutes like Harold Meltzer, Otto Skorzeny, or Pierre Lafitte? In the 1960s? Seriously?

Taaffe was an arms dealer, married to an AF captain and known to some very rough characters. Could she be effectively and persistently impersonated by Jerrie Cobb, let alone the distinctly feline June?  Was the AF captain on board?

 @Sandy Larsen like the Babushka Lady thing, 

That's a pretty significant thing, as are the physical identities thing (June and Jerrie were the same height and occasionally the same weight, that's it.); the impersonation of arms dealer Taaffe thing (were Jesse Vickers alive we could ask him if he was fooled); the rare disease/scar thing (no one has answered how Jerrie could have fooled June's doctor, or did she and June share attributes in bed?); or the "THE" QJ/WIN thing (this shouldn't warrant comment but it's apparent some on the EF fail to recognize the absurdity of the claim). Any one of the aforementioned should sound alarms. Setting aside Haverstick's dismissal of Otto Skorzeny (based apparently on a reference to his allgeged unsuitability for a specific op — whatever that means), what percentage of AWIK do you think should be taken seriously? 

It is incomprehensible to me that active members of this forum have bought into Haverstick's innuendo and supposition (Babushka Lady? seriously?)  — albeit woven within credible document research presented in AWIK — in spite of my having presented facts and photos that bely Haverstick's subjective assertions; yet these same members have virtually blackballed Albarelli's investigation because the primary source material hasn't been officially authenticated, a process btw described by several professionals in the field as ultimately subjective when considered in a court of law.  A paranoiac might wonder if there is an agenda in play. Even Jeff Morley, long respected for his conservative approach, has provided space on his sub stack for what a number of informed researchers have concluded is (bottom line) Haverstick's wild assertions; yet to my knowledge, to date, Jeff has not penned a word — favorable or not — about Coup in Dallas.  

Does June Cobb — NOT Jerrie Cobb The Pilot — in MC while Oswald was spotted demand the investigation go in another direction? Doesn't it lead to Tom Davis in Madrid along with June's acquaintance from the Iroquois Hotel Thomas Proctor (seen below in full Sieg Heil), then Davis' arrest and rescue in Tangier by QJ/WIN? If Gibson is significant to Haverstick's hypothesis why then didn't she more thoroughly pursue North Africa?  Might it expose MC COS Win Scott's history as chief of the Western European division of the Office of Special Operations while Otto and Ilse Skorzeny set up shop in Francoist Spain in 1952? Was Scott responsible for discrediting June Cobb in MC? Why did Haverstick dismiss the Skorzenys as bit players on this stage when in fact they played a pivotal role in the coup in Dallas? Considering Hank's friendship — well-known to most who follow the June Cobb saga — did Haverstick fail to at least peruse CiD?  Surely a ten minute phone call some six years prior wasn't sufficient reason to ignore Albarelli's broader work? Should hers be categorized as misinformation, disinformation, or simply the work of a sincere amateur to this field of inquiry? 

5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I have a question for readers of Haverstick's book.

How did she come up with the idea that June Cobb was the pilot of the (rumored?) airplane waiting at Redbird Airport on 11/22/63?

 

David Atlee Phillips indicated (testified in fact?) that June Cobb was a licensed pilot.  Albarelli and Newman, both of whom interviewed June Cobb at length, contest his claim.

I think your question, and similar questions on this thread, indicate that EF members who have actually read AWIK are unable to succicintly sum up the claims made by Haverstick simply because the foundation of the hypothesis is fatally flawed and from there, the presumptions make no sense whatsoever, ergo summation is impossible.

As I've stated previously on this thread, 
uncovering the agency employed 'doppelgängers' is hardly a revelation, yet Haverstick approached Hank in her initial (and only) phone call with, "did you know that the agency used doppelgängers?" That she was taken aback by his abrupt reaction is naive at best. Did she actually expect him to engage beyond her amateur question? Did he suspect an agenda behind her phone call?  Had June already told him that someone was hounding her for interviews? Did he know that by then June distrusted a certain research professional who Hank realized immediately was  known to Haverstick?  He leaves several clues in ASO that the Jerrie Cobb the Pilot theory was already percolating. 

On 12/28/2023 at 7:26 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

As do I.

Bill Shelley and Lee Harvey Oswald were two CIA agents/assets working at CIA front company, Texas School Book Depository. That's what I believe.

Of course, not every employee of CIA front companies work for the CIA. Fronts typically do legitimate business. But at least one of the top officers is CIA. Thus, Truly is CIA too. IMO.

 

 I pursued this years ago, and to a tenant, the publishing companies' boards included one, and in several instances two, retired military brass. Nathan Twining jumps to mind.

7 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Vague Leslie?  as well as her sister...  Or the Shooting range on the 28th, in Dallas.?

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, do you have any doubts in your mind after looking at these pictures (links below) that the man that was in your apartment was the same man as Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. I don't have any doubts.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did your sister see the men?
Mrs. ODIO. She saw the three of them.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you discussed this with her since that time?
Mrs. ODIO. I just had to discuss it because it was bothering me. I just had to know.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did she think it was Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt.
Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of shirt was it, a white shirt?
Mrs. ODIO. No; it was either green or blue, and he had it rolled up to here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Almost to his elbows?
Mrs. ODIO. No; less than that, just the ends of the sleeves.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he have a tie?
Mrs. ODIO. No tie.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was it a sport shirt, or working shirt?
Mrs. ODIO. He had it open. I don't know if he had a collar or not, but it was open. And the other one had a white undershirt. One of them was very hairy. Where was I? I just want to remember everything.
Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned when your sister saw Oswald's picture on television that she almost passed out. Did she recognize him, do you know, as the man that had been in the apartment?
Mrs. ODIO. She said, "Sylvia, you know that man?" And I said, "Yes," and she said, "I know him." "He was the one that came to our door, and it couldn't be so, could it?"

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell Father McKann that the name Oswald was never used in your presence by any of these men?
Mrs. ODIO. Never was used except to introduce me, and the time when they left. They did not refer to him as Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. But they did in fact, introduce him as Leon Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. And I shook hands with him.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you pass out as soon as you had heard that the President had been shot?
Mrs. ODIO. No; when I started thinking about it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Had you heard that Oswald was involved in it before you passed out?
Mrs. ODIO. Can I say something off the record?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.
(Witness talks off the record.)
Mr. LIEBELER. At this point let's go back on the record. You indicated that you thought perhaps the three men who had come to your apartment had something to do with the assassination?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph that has been marked as Bringuier Exhibit No. 1, and ask you if you can identify anybody in that photograph?
Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER With the X?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize anybody else in the picture?
Mrs. ODIO. No.

(B Exh #1 in the WCR is very dark... you can't make out that that may be William Shelley in the dark suit.)

 

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any doubt that that man with the green line over his head in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B Was the man who was in your apartment?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, if it is not, it is his twin.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, I show you a photograph that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. I https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=24 and ask you if you recognize that man.
Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. Is that the man who was in your apartment?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you sure?
Mrs. ODIO. He doesn't have the little thing, the little moustache that he had that day. He looks shaved there, and he did not look shaved that day.

 

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think this man in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-C is Lee Harvey Oswald? 
Mrs. ODIO. Yes; I think that is him.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think that is the man that was in your apartment?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, let me say something. I think this man was the one that was in my apartment. I am not too sure of that picture. He didn't look like this. He was smiling that day. He was more smiling than in this picture.

I should have been precise: vague as to date of the encounter.

8 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I don't know where the real Oswald was during the MC incident. But he didn't visit the Cuban Consulate. There are zero witnesses of his being there. There are two witnesses of his NOT being there. So it is ridiculous to claim he was there.

 

Then is it not also ridiculous to even be discussing 'him' at this late date?

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

They didn't say they saw the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald. They said they saw a guy who said he was Lee Harvey Oswald. There's a huge difference there.

Both Sylvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue said that their Oswald had blond hair. Duran said he was short, ~ 5' 5". If the REAL Oswald was in Mexico City, why didn't he visit the Cuban Consulate instead of the blond Oswald impersonator doing so? Occam says because he wasn't in MC.

And since the real Oswald wasn't in MC, then he wasn't the one who visited Kostikov. (Though I doubt anybody visited him at all. It was just a fake story.)

 

Was the REAL Lee Harvey Oswald designated as such by consensus, and if so, when?
If not, which records are relied on to prove the REAL Oswald wasn't in MC?  As far as I know — and assuming these deliberations are intended to lead to Nov 22 in Dallas — there is nothing to establish where the Oswald-who-served-as-perfect-patsy-in-the-TSBD was on September 27, other than Odio's vague recollection? 

Did Hoover identify the Oswald he was referring to in his January 18 note,

12 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

https://jfkfacts.org/senior-kgb-insider-said-lee-harvey-oswald/

This is Leonov's account of seeing LHO in MC, and then recognizing him on TV post-JFKA, as provided by Jeff Morley. 

As noted, I'm aware of Leonov.  I'm asking whether Pavlotsky has been studied at all? 

On 12/21/2023 at 4:33 AM, David Josephs said:

@Benjamin Cole

From Sept 27th until the YMCA on Oct 3rd/4th, and understanding that Oswald was not in Mexico as described by the investigation, we don't really know where he was, exactly.  As there is no evidence other than the obvious that places him in/around Dallas during that week.

If he was flown in and out of Mexico to have a meeting at the Luna Hotel about 20 mins south of the Embassies area; And is only in MX for a day or at most overnight for this meeting and actually does attend the Rave party... and is returned to Dallas by the 1st...  there is no evidence in the bogus MX journey/stay in MX - or any evidence from Dallas that precludes this from occurring. 

The CiD notebook's suggestion of this meet and the substantiation from those in the Cobb/Davis extended circle, again, does not contradict the conclusions about the travel and call evidence I arrived at in my research, so I think it prudent to no longer discount the possibility... but not without this big concern:

 Why have the meeting at all, why in MX when these key players were all together in New Orleans not long before this time.  What is so meaningful or significant of THIS meeting at THAT time... and what actions result from said meeting.  If he's already being flown in.. wouldn't a photo of him have been important to help the incrimination?

If you can create bogus calls and transcripts, why can't you put a photo of him in MX into the mix and solidify your position against him to back the phone calls?

But that didn't happen.  He wasn't PROVEN to be in MX at all... and the long redacted and suppressed LITAMIL/9 reports - when finally released and to my satisfaction - supported the notion he was not there.

 

 

Leonov is very persuasive in the 1998 documentary, The Secret KGB JFK Assassination Files.

I haven't pursued in earnest, but I'm curious why there is so little readily available on Ilya Semyonovitch Pavlotsky, the ranking member of the KGB unit investigating the assassination.  Other than Mark Bridger's article in Dealey Plaza Echo, 1999, which appears to rely on the documentary which was later advanced in the O'Leary / Lee publication, The Deaths of Cold War Kings (2000), nothing has jumped out about Ilya.

Is there more to that documentary than meets the eye, particularly the misidentification of Michel Mertz? Who funded it other that those named in the credits? Those following through lines from Dallas to our contemporary political crisis might look closely at Bradley O'Leary and the NRA.

18 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I confess I have forgotten the Garro tale. 

Whether intentional or not, you dismiss Garro's eyewitness testimony at the expense of details of Thomas Eli Davis in MC at the same time with Oswald.  They were scheduled to meet at Luma on September 27.  Garro = Davis, so ignoring or deflecting from Davis while focusing exclusively on "the KGB" witnesses suggests to me you want to avoid any discussion of Madrid or North Africa?  You're not the only one in "the community," for what that's worth.

11 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

LS-

I explicitly endorse the viewpoint that LHO's visit to MC was manipulated pre-, during, and afterwards, and paperwork and information again modified post-JFKA, by multiple intel agencies, likely including the CIA, KGB, Cuban intel and Mexican intel. 

What was LHO really doing in MC for four or five days...who knows? How did he get there and back? Who knows? 

But, we have credible primary eyewitnesses, the three KGB'ers in the Russian Embassy, and Duran and Azcue in the Cuban Embassy, who all said they met the real LHO.

Azcue and Duran flatly told the HSCA they met the real LHO in MC.  

These witnesses are not "red-haired Negroes," or honeypots who never existed, or who briefly brushed by LHO in MC.

The five eyewitnesses to LHO's presence in MC are credible witnesses. 

I suspect LHO was "handled" into MC, and met with Kostikov by US intel design. I cannot prove that suspicion. 

If you have deeper verifiable insights into LHO's mission or actions in MC, bring them on.

I don't know what LHO was doing in MC, other than he visited the Cuban and Russian embassies, by multiple credible and first-person eyewitness accounts. 

 

 

 

 

I think you've answered my question:

These witnesses are not "red-haired Negroes," or honeypots who never existed, or who briefly brushed by LHO in MC.

The five eyewitnesses to LHO's presence in MC are credible witnesses. 

but to clarify, "honeypots" is reference to Garro?

@Benjamin Cole Is there any particular reason you ignore the eyewitness testimony of Elena Garro de Paz? Or the reports supplied by state department official (and likely CIA agent) Charles William Thomas to whom Garro not only supplied information but had befriended?

Why does the KGB angle dominate contemporary deliberations over the Mexico City sightings of Oswald?  Why not consider the confusion was always meant to distract and that Oswald was in MC for reasons other than have been uncovered to date, possibly having nothing to do with "THE" KGB?

On 12/21/2023 at 4:33 AM, David Josephs said:

@Benjamin Cole

From Sept 27th until the YMCA on Oct 3rd/4th, and understanding that Oswald was not in Mexico as described by the investigation, we don't really know where he was, exactly.  As there is no evidence other than the obvious that places him in/around Dallas during that week.

If he was flown in and out of Mexico to have a meeting at the Luna Hotel about 20 mins south of the Embassies area; And is only in MX for a day or at most overnight for this meeting and actually does attend the Rave party... and is returned to Dallas by the 1st...  there is no evidence in the bogus MX journey/stay in MX - or any evidence from Dallas that precludes this from occurring. 

The CiD notebook's suggestion of this meet and the substantiation from those in the Cobb/Davis extended circle, again, does not contradict the conclusions about the travel and call evidence I arrived at in my research, so I think it prudent to no longer discount the possibility... but not without this big concern:

 Why have the meeting at all, why in MX when these key players were all together in New Orleans not long before this time.  What is so meaningful or significant of THIS meeting at THAT time... and what actions result from said meeting.  If he's already being flown in.. wouldn't a photo of him have been important to help the incrimination?

If you can create bogus calls and transcripts, why can't you put a photo of him in MX into the mix and solidify your position against him to back the phone calls?

But that didn't happen.  He wasn't PROVEN to be in MX at all... and the long redacted and suppressed LITAMIL/9 reports - when finally released and to my satisfaction - supported the notion he was not there.

 

 

David, you drive home a significant point. Why would individuals who had access to one another in New Orleans be sighted in Mexico City at the same time at the same party. Tom Davis indicated in a statement made upon arrest in Tangier that he and wife Carolyn maintained a permanent residence in MC as well as the US.  Perhaps Oswald had an invitation to join them? Lafitte's datebook indicates Oswald and Tom are to meet at Broglie's Hotel Luma on Friday, September 27.  That same entry includes the names "Algur — Mex. City  Ilya —."  The following day, September 28, Lafitte makes a note "Bowen - Hudson Mex school cover — wife Spain ..." and on Sunday, September 29, Lafitte notes, "Tom at embassy — done." September 30, Lafitte writes "—— Money from Dallas" and "Davis — Mx City — Where next week?" This string of Mexico City-related entries closes with "Cable to Madrid — all ok — Tell Tom D. O says come to Madrid."

On October 3, Lafitte indicates a meeting with "Caretaker 10:30."  We have ample reason to argue that Caretaker is based in Dallas, for example the Lafitte entry of October 6, "Oswald — issue (!)" followed by "check with caretaker . . . "

On November 2, Lafitte notes, "Runner / Runner" (FBI) w/T. 4 P.M."* Within days, a classified ad appears in a Dallas paper which pleads with running man to contact Lee.

Fundamentally, the purpose of Oswald's trip to Mexico City which has been speculated about for decades has yet to be resolved. We argue that Lafitte leaves many clues, including the August meetings held in New Orleans that refer to MC and Joannides, and the entries that mention Mexico City earlier in the year, particularly May 10, "T. says tail LO — no direct contact calls? No. report to Angleton + not here [wife] Rene says A looks like cadaver — Mexico City?" Is this indication that one of Oswald's alleged earlier trips to MC occurred in May, and does that not conflict with his job at Reily Coffee?  

@David JosephsIn addition to your thorough examination of documents, particularly those focused on the Russian elements in MC in Sept/Oct, you have effectively posed the question of "which" Oswald traveled to MC in late September, prompting us to explore "which" Oswald is Lafitte dealing with throughout 1963.

*a potential document examiner flipped through the datebook and paused on the November 2 entry.  Within a few minutes, he closed the datebook, handed it back with words to the effect, "I don't think this is my project." His official bio indicates he is a contract examiner for government agencies including the bureau.

18 hours ago, David Josephs said:

No Ben, he did not.

Simply read that specific transcript again Ben.  The person on the Russian side of call is the one who introduces KOSTIKOV into the conversation. The Oswald character responds "Yes" to a different question than related to Kostikov.

Also interesting is the huge number of "cc's" for that memo mentioning Kostikov; one of which going to I&NS and an asset of HOSTY's... Jeff Woosley....  this dissemination of info in this manner, I see, as part of the project related to what Simpich is talking about.  The Marked HENRY card and where it that info flows.

Below is an image of LEONOV (Ivanov is actually crossed out).  I don't believe at all that he was used by or mistaken by anyone in US intelligence and was always known for who he was.

 

 

David, do you know the date Oswald was removed from watch list and who issued it?  

On 12/21/2023 at 4:03 PM, Greg Doudna said:

Unless I missed something, I didn’t see any evidence Jerrie Cobb had a disease that scarred her clavicle, or the same kind of disease as June Cobb. 

On 12/21/2023 at 4:03 PM, Greg Doudna said:

Unless I missed something, I didn’t see any evidence Jerrie Cobb had a disease that scarred her clavicle, or the same kind of disease as June Cobb. 

Deliberating scars, which can be produced on demand, is kicking the can and keeping alive the false assumptions drawn by Haverstick.  

In my conversation, H. said she only took a peak at a Jerrie scar and only by accident.  There is testimony that June was hospitalized for the rare condition and in fact had a romantic relationship with her doctor. Are we to believe that was Jerrie and not June? Was he oblivious to news coverage including photos of Jerrie The Pilot? 

Are there records that Jerrie was treated for the disease, and when? My understanding is that June's case occurred years if not a decade earlier.  Has anyone tracked the number of cases, worldwide, that occurred over that time span?

This is ridiculous.

Respectfully, @Michael Griffith, would you please confirm that it is your contention Jerrie The Pilot was author of the October 5, 1964 report under the alias Joyce H. Pineinch that begins, Mexican communists who had contact with Oswald, as has not appeared in Warren Commission write-ups in press. All weekend, Elena Garro de Paz, Elena Paz (the daughter) and Debra Garro de Guerrero Galvan sat around recalling details of having been in a group with Oswald here last fall during the days that he was in Mexico. . . .

Please provide evidence that (skilled pilot) Jerrie Cobb and not sometimes agency asset (Viola) June Cobb (not a trained pilot) produced this report. 

If you insist on ignoring my requests that you provide detail specifics from my posts you've publicly alleged are inaccurate, I can only conclude you haven't thought this through, and that you have fallen prey to masterfully presented misinformation in AWIK. 

Otherwise, Michael, I ask that you retract your accusations. @Sandy Larsen

@Mark Knight

@Michael Griffith 

I find it incomprehensible you would continue to promote this work without publicly respondung to the discrepancies being brought to your attention.

Please provide the members following this thread the specific inaccuracies you allege I've made challenging Haverstick's speculation and innuendo.

‘ . . . Interesting to note here is that Edward Lawton Smith who came to the United States sometime in the early 1950s, was reported to look similar to Lee Harvey Oswald. Smith, who frequently traveled to Mexico City in the early 1960s, had been in the Canadian army during World War II, serving in Germany, France, and Belgium. Smith was recruited in 1953 by Jean Pierre Lafitte, a “special employee” of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and contractor for the CIA to be undercover, paid informer reporting to the Bureau’s George Hunter White and Garland Williams. In 1959, Smith had mysterious dealings with June Cobb and Warren Broglie in New York City, thought perhaps to have been related to a drug trafficking ring in New Orleans that both Smith and Cobb were knowledgeable about.’ —pg 230-231, A Secret Order.

The name “Smith” appears early in the year in the 1963 datebook maintained by Pierre Lafitte. 
 

@Michael Griffith, do you have any reason to contend that Jerrie the Pilot knew Broglie or Lawton Smith, or Pierre Lafitte?

1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:

After finishing a careful rereading of the book I don’t think H has shown that Jerrie Cobb was the CIA June Cobb and I don’t think they were identical. I also don’t think either had anything to do with the Babushka Lady. I think H makes an intriguing case for some June Cobb connections with QJWINN but does not show a connection of Jerrie Cobb to June Cobb or QJWINN.

Jerrie Cobb’s claim to have been the twin-engine pilot at Redbird is believable, since I see no other obvious sign Jerrie was lying to H. As a veteran pilot already employed in Fort Worth why wouldn’t it be plausible Jerrie would fly a charter flight of a news crew from Florida to Dallas. But no reason to conclude that had anything to do with June Cobb.

To run down the short list of supposed strong items for the identity, with the exception of Fortuna Calvo-Roth’s identification of Jerrie Cobb photos as the long-ago June Cobb she remembered—with the exception of that—nothing else shown by H in the book is substantial to me, in identifying Jerrie as June. And with only that left standing, not good enough. From what I see Calvo-Roth appears to be still living at age 90 and would merit a serious reinterview and fact-check on the photo ID reported if that is to be stand-alone relied upon.

The “26” scar? Look at the photo of Jerrie’s arm again. There is no “6” or “o” at all that I can see apart from natural folds or wrinkles in the aged skin of Jerrie arm. There is a line scar with a curl at the end that does look like the shape of a huge “2” but I doubt that is significant, simply coincidence. At the start of that scar a couple of other straight-line scar lines radiate outward which one has to disregard to have only one of them become the base of the “2”. Seeing shapes in clouds phenomenon.

The “26” of Taafe’s assault reported in the Miami newspaper is completely different scars in the news photo, smaller distinct “26”, not Jerrie’s scar at all. H suggests a deceptive photo was published of Taafe’s assault mutilation in Miami. But nothing verifies that ad hoc claim.

June Cobb had a massive diseased boil-looking disfigurement on her clavicle area of her lower throat published in a medical journal which shows her young face in the early 1950s which is not the face of Jerrie Cobb. H suggests photo alteration in that article published by an MD in a medical journal to explain that the face of June Cobb there is not Jerrie. Totally ad hoc. 

H’s photo of the aged Jerrie’s neck or clavicle area shows a small slight darker spot in the skin that looks like a birthmark. H sees that small darker skin spot in aged skin as the remnant of June Cobb’s massive disease scar, I don’t think so. 

H shows a comparison of QJWINN document signatures of “Jeri” as looking like a signature of “Jerrie” Cobb. While visually it is striking, in H’s otherwise well-documented book I could find no identification or source for where she got that Jerrie Cobb signature. I wanted to fact-check that, and cannot on information provided. Therefore, as it stands, insubstantial. 

On checkerboarding, the interesting checkerboarding claims H shows have to do with June Cobb and QJWINN, without bringing Jerrie into the picture. I don’t see Jerrie as identifiable with June Cobb via checkerboarding claimed to show that. 

I don’t believe that Jerrie had anything to do with the intell appearing woman who tried to direct H away from looking at Jerrie’s history; I doubt Jerrie intentionally food-poisoned H; and I don’t believe H’s claim that Jerrie never wanted to go into space.

My take on these points. The book makes June Cobb more interesting, but I do not see a convincing case made in the book that Jerrie Cobb ever went under the name June Cobb.

I was struck by the assertion that Cobb’s agency payouts are identical in amounts and dates with those of [a] QJ/WIN, yet the graphic doesn’t support the claim. Admittedly, the numerous discrepancies might be viewed as minor, but “identical,” by definition, the amounts and dates are not. 

Gary Shaw weighed in recently (and with his blessing), “This lady pilot named Jerri was married to Joe Truhill, a pilot who was running guns with Ruby and Tommy Davis.”  

He is referring to Jerri Sloan Truhill. 
from wiki . . . In 1961 she got a call from her friend Jerrie Cobb, asking for her interest in a secret government project, which would turn out to be the Women in Space Program run by Dr. William Randolph Lovelace . . .

Albarelli picked up on Lovelace in A Secret Order,  noting his role in the CIA’s Project Oxcart in 1954, but one of the medical experiment programmes Hank had been tracking since the Olson case. 

He also notes the association between Harold Meltzer and Tri-Cities Flying Service owned by Evelyn “Pinky” Brier, former wartime Women’s Auxiliary whose clients on the West Coast had included DCI John McCone. Note that Albarelli does NOT mention Jerrie Cobb.

Had Haverstick not rejected Albarelli’s ASO allegedly* because he provides no direct quotes from June Cobb, she might have been compelled to acknowledge that he makes not one reference to Jerrie The Pilot even in context of Lovelace’s Albuquerque NM programme.
 

She might have also realized the significance of Happy Meltzer who was slated by the agency as a QJ/WIN spotter. Meltzer was acquainted with two brothers who were notorious as Columbia’s up and coming young drug traffickers, one of whom would later fall head over heels in love with Viola June Cobb.  Meltzer, based in LA, was not only a sometime hit-man for Johnny Roselli, but he had been engaged in a semi-legitimate business with one Jean Pierre Lafitte. 
 

When Mary Haverstick opined that it was a pity Hank wouldn’t engage with her (for even one second) about her theory Jerrie and June were one and the same, and how important it is for ‘the community’ to work together, I thought, ‘but look at your missed opportunities?’  Hank’s coauthor of Coup in Dallas, was a phone call away months before the final draft of AWIK.
 

In addition to setting the record straight  — that Hank befriended June Cobb, not Jerrie —- we might have pursued in tandem Meltzer then Lafitte who leads straight to QJ/WIN  in North Africa/Otto Skorzeny in Madrid, and possibly pilot and acquaintance of Jerrie Cobb —Jerri Sloan Truhill and husband Joe who ran guns with Tommy Davis (who met Skorzeny in Madrid in November 1963) and Jack Ruby. So many opportunities missed.

*A Secret Order had been in the public domain since 2013 yet Haverstick didn’t phone Albarelli until May of 2015. 

18 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

BTW, Mary's book just got a great review on JFKFacts.org:

The Labyrinth of 'A Woman I Know' - by Peter Voskamp (substack.com)

Some might suggest that was to be expected. I’m not a subscriber to Jeff’s substack so I’ve been unable to review Voskamp’s take. Maybe Jeff would give you dispensation to copy paste on EF as a gesture of good faith?
 

Also, are you willing to respond to the concerns about AWIK I presented earlier, and or provide details of my alleged inaccuracies so that I might rebut or retract?
 

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

The top photo was posted earlier by Leslie and is of JUNE Cobb.

The two photos below that are somewhat younger photos of JERRIE Cobb. (No gray hair.)

They look reasonably similar, and could be the same person.

JERRIE has very distinctive looking earlobes. If Leslie has a photo showing JUNE's earlobes, we could easily rule out their being the same person if their earlobes don't match. Conversely, if they do match, there's a good chance that they are one and the same person.

 

 

 

 

You can zoom to see June’s left facing ear. 

Speaking independent of my association with Albarelli who knew June well, and perhaps being female influences my subjective photo analysis, but I cannot see the slightest resemblance in these two women, not in their youth nor well into their 60s-80s.

Aside from the obvious attention to grooming, June’s being meticulously feminine in every photo available v. Jerrie’s far more casual and tom-boyish approach, note that Jerrie’s teeth are prominent and her mouth is significantly wider than June’s. Jerrie maintained her blonde hair into her 6th or 7th decade; June’s perfectly coifed naturally gray hair is in distinct contrast. Jerrie’s ears appear sizably longer in relation to her skull than June’s.

From a woman’s perspective, the most obvious distinction is their general demeanor, their countenance when captured on film. These are two different woman.

29 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

How does Grace Macaskill know the June and Jerrie Cobb are not the same person?

 

 

How do you know that June Cobb was not a licensed pilot?

 

Macaskill states that Mary is convinced. She doesn’t offer her own subjective opinion in the piece.  
 

Chapter Eleven notes, A Secret Order — Contrary to Internet mythology, June Cobb did not have a twin sister (she did have two brothers [seen in a photo I shared recently on EF] nor was she a trained aircraft pilot. — H. P. Albarelli Jr.

John Newman is on record stating same. By 2013, Both Newman and Albarelli had interviewed Viola June Cobb extensively. Albarelli was planning a biography of her which obviously would not include exploits as a pilot.

It was my understanding in conversation with Haverstick that she was never granted an interview with June Cobb. I’m prepared to be corrected. I’m also anxious to have clarification whether Jerrie the Pilot, who died in 2019, had two brothers named Jasper and Tom as did Viola June who died in 2015.

Michael, while I await your specifics, Grace Macaskill of The US SUN writes that “Mary is convinced Jerrie and June are the same person.” I’ve come across this general takeaway in a number of reviews, and it’s apparent you are convinced as well.

But the fact is, Jerrie and June Cobb were NOT the same person. June passed away Oct 17, 2015. Jerrie passed away March 18, 2019.  I would like to think you’re acting in good faith here so will you at least acknowledge the two women left this earthly coil as distinct individuals?

Further, THE SUN captions for relevant photos read: “A woman named either Jerrie or June Cobb is speculated to have been a potential getaway pilot for Oswald” and “She may have worked as a secretary to Cuban dictator to Cuban dictator Fidel Castro.” 
 

Viola June Cobb, born 1927,  friend of investigative reporter Hank Albarelli Jr. and godmother to his first grandson, was NOT a licensed pilot. 
 

If you refuse to acknowledge these fundamental inaccuracies in Haverstick’s book, how are you in a credible position to judge the accuracy of anyone’s challenge to this obliviously flawed account of events in Dealey?
 

In her own words, when challenged about a particularly wild speculation, Haverstick laughed and said that she can’t control the conclusions drawn by the reader. 
 

I would posit that the confusion sown by this book, timed deliberately for the 60th, is the responsibility of the author and her editor. If you want to chase behind and attempt damage control, that’s your choice, friend.

49 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Leslie, in the interest of fairness and accuracy, I respectfully suggest that you should refrain from making further comments on Mary's book until you have read it. You have made a number of inaccurate statements about the book and have raised objections to the book that the book capably addresses.

Michael, respectfully, can you be specific?

I will retract inaccuracies but you will first need to identify them in detail.