Leslie Sharp

5 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

To add to what Pete said.  The claim was Oswald's interrogation was not recorded. There were not even any stenographer tapes like exist for others.  All those present were supposed to destroy any notes they might have taken.  Oswald was supposed to have no voice in his defense.  He was soon to be dead.

Hosty didn't destroy his notes.  When JFK the movie rekindled interest in the JFKA,  Hosty decided to write a book about his experience.  I haven't read it but I'm pretty sure that Oswald's alibi he noted does not appear in it.

Hosty then donated his papers to the ARRB, as Pete said, and they were placed in the JFKA Collection at NARA.  Along came Malcolm Blunt to scoop up his material and place it in his voluminous files.  

A few years ago Bart Kamp decided it's time to go through Malcolm's files because so much information is in there.  He finds Hosty's notes.

Roger, has Bart cleared up the discrepancy that on at least one occasion Hosty is filmed stating Oswald told him he was in the lunch room?

 

4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

This interview was first posted by Doug in the Water Cooler thread. I enjoyed "Devil chessboard" a lot and consider Talbot a good author who IMO, didn't get caught lunging at a lot of other low hanging fruit in the JFKA.

 

The issue as to how RK  first became curious as to his father and uncle's death has always been a curiosity for me as the Kennedy family, by their silence, has been so obstructionist to the the investigation of the JFKA.  How did RK find out, and become converted?

 

Talbot credits himself as having first informed RK in 2004. At the time, he says RK was barely able to look him in the eye and said the family  always told the siblings to "look ahead", and besides RK said his father was content not to further investigate his brother's assassination. Talbot then corrected him and told RK that Bobby indeed was going to open up an investigation into his brother's death when he became President.

 

The source of Talbot's claim was the widow of Walter Sheridan, who was the effective chief of Bobby's team investigating  Jimmy Hoffa and  the Teamsters, who died in 1995 and apparently was silent about it for the next 27 years! Does anyone here know of any other  witnesses to this fact?

 

This is the same Walter Sheridan who RFK sent down to look into Garrison's investigation, which upon Sheridan's investigation, later concluded that Garrison's investigation was a fraud and then Garrison became convinced that Bobby was trying to  stop his investigation into the murder of his brother,  and accused Sheridan of "public bribery".  ?

 

I read an interview with Sheridan from the JFK Library where he talks mostly of the RFK campaign in California in 1968 and goes briefly into the night of the assassination, but makes no reference to Bobby saying he was going to open an investigation into his brother's death when he became President.

Why is so much of the Kennedy past enshrouded in secrecy? There's so much conjecture!

 

It is remarkable that RK and the 13 siblings of RFK and JFK spent the entire 20th century silent about the assassination of JFK and RFK,  and RK apparently never talked to anyone or even entertained this idea until he was 50 years old! And the reason RK gave Talbot is that they were instructed by their family back in the 60's.

Whew!

 

It's my understanding the material Robert accumulated during his own investigation into the assassination of his brother still exists.  Have you heard that as well?

11 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Yes, Bart has a link to Hosty's notes. Written during the interrogation (one) & directly after (two).  Hosty passed his notes to the ARRB in '97.  The book also links to the Fritz notes that were also donated to the ARRB in '97.

Negative.  I'm not one to post photographic images on E.F. or anywhere.  I'm just a book reader Leslie. 📚

Thanks Pete.

4 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

To add to what Pete said.  The claim was Oswald's interrogation was not recorded. There were not even any stenographer tapes like exist for others.  All those present were supposed to destroy any notes they might have taken.  Oswald was supposed to have no voice in his defense.  He was soon to be dead.

Hosty didn't destroy his notes.  When JFK the movie rekindled interest in the JFKA,  Hosty decided to write a book about his experience.  I haven't read it but I'm pretty sure that Oswald's alibi he noted does not appear in it.

Hosty then donated his papers to the ARRB, as Pete said, and they were placed in the JFKA Collection at NARA.  Along came Malcolm Blunt to scoop up his material and place it in his voluminous files.  

A few years ago Bart Kamp decided it's time to go through Malcolm's files because so much information is in there.  He finds Hosty's notes.

Thank you for that trajectory.  The popular meme is that "Hosty tore up his notes because he was ordered to."  This sets the record straight, presumably.  As a matter of interest distinct from PM, did Hosty keep notes from his visit at the Paine's house in early November? I'll search, but if you know off the top of your head . . . 

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

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  On 7/30/2023 at 10:16 PM, Ed Berger said:

I've tracked the Vanderbilt angle because an heiress married Northern Ireland investor John Adair and together they established the JA Ranch with Charles Goodnight in the Palo Duro Canyon located in the Texas Panhandle.  Amarillo, as you know, was HQ for Crichton's Dorchester, with Byrd on the board... An heir to the JA married into the Symington family — Stuart Symington first Sec. Air Force and partner with Clark Clifford during the BCCI debacle.

Fascinating! Do you know to what degree the Adairs might have crossed paths with Crichton down in Amarillo? I'm thinking about Crichton's latter day Arabian Shield company, which if memory serves correctly was actually formed through Dorchester. One of the investors at one point into Arabian Shield was Kamal Adham, the Saudi intelligence chief who was in turn a major stockholder in BCCI.

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Not to digress from the datebook but this threw me for a loop.  Seeing Charles Goodnight in a post about the JFKA made me stop and think, huh?  I fully understand it in the context of the two above comments after reading them.  But first seeing Goodnight's name did stun me, which led to chuckles as I read on about the connections, as Ed said, fascinating. 

I have J Evetts Haley's book on Goodnight.  I've been to his replicated dug out in Palo Duro Canyon as well as his home, the historical center. 

Charles and Mary Ann Goodnight Ranch State Historic Site | THC.Texas.gov - Texas Historical Commission

Goodnight was my G-G-G Grandfathers close neighbor (two listings away) on the 1860 Palo Pinto County census.  That year he was one of 96 volunteer rangers, for which Goodnight was a scout, which participated in the capture of Cyntia Ann Parker.  The basis of John Wayne's The Searchers.

I just discovered personally this historical jewel myself a couple of weeks ago, courtesy of a Dublin, Tx library DVD.  From 107 years ago.  Film in it's infancy, for Dr. Joseph Mc Bride.

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Thanks, Ron!

On 8/2/2023 at 7:36 AM, Ed Berger said:

The George Hunter White papers archive is out at Stanford University in California. The archive inventory has a lot of entries for White's "daily appointment book", which might be it? 

EDIT: Box 5, folder 6 contains "George White affidavit re. Jean Pierre Lafitte". Could be a cool thing to get a copy of... 

Ed, you had a lengthy post a few days ago that I was in the middle of responding to but failed to send; we were discussing the JA Ranch, Whitneys and Vanderbilts, Crichton, Byrd, Amarillo ...

Do you know which thread?

10 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Mods,

    Is there any way to get Ben Cole's MAGA spam off of this forum?  It belongs on the MAGA Water Cooler thread.

    Ben's latest redundant anti-Biden MAGA spam is reminiscent of his "patriot purge" MAGA spam about J6 that ruined the 56 Years thread.

Mods, Hear! Hear!

Perhaps mention of the continuity of the coup in Dallas  and the through line to Trump contributed to the distraction; or, perhaps Mr. Cole is just hovering to make sure no one mentions that Trump failed to release the files when he had the obligation and the opportunity in 2017.

5 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

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The JFKA is not a quagmire; it only seems that way because of the plethora of relatively unimportant rabbit holes people choose to focus on.  See almost any of the many talks and writings of Vince Salandria.

In order to find a "Third Way", or anything substantially different than the current mess, you have to first understand how we got here and the JFKA's role in that.  That means who did it and why.

 

That means who did it and why.

We are in full agreement.

4 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

I wonder if you could recount your take on Hosty's note which referred to Oswald as saying he "went outside to watch p parade"  after eating lunch. Seems straight forward.  Even Australians could understand it.  It's a crucial piece of evidence.  Am I missing something?

Does Bart reproduce Hosty's note?  When was Hosty's note written?  When was it made public?  I need to catch up here.

I'm trying to recall: I think the debate was related to architectural terms.

Have you posted the most current iteration of an image(s) of Prayer Man on EF recently?  If so, can you point me to the thread?  Ralph Cinque has posted photos on Facebook in the past few days.

The administrator of worldhistory.biz no longer accepts registration so I'm unclear who authored this work but much of the information comports with other sources.  https://www.worldhistory.biz/sundries/35355-a-rich-blind-man.html


A Rich Blind Man . . . 

. . . But in July 1949, under relentless pressure from the army, the CIA took over the Gehlen group. Housed in a former Nazi headquarters outside Munich, Gehlen welcomed dozens of prominent war criminals into his circle. As Helms and Sichel feared, the East German and Soviet intelligence services penetrated the Gehlen group at the highest levels. The worst of the moles surfaced long after the Gehlen group had transformed itself into the national intelligence service of West Germany. Gehlen's longtime chief of counterintelligence had been working for Moscow all along.

Steve Tanner, a young CIA officer based in Munich, said Gehlen had convinced American intelligence officers that he could run missions aimed at the heart of Soviet power. "And, given how hard it was for us," Tanner reflected, "it seemed idiotic not to try it."

"WE WEREN'T GOING TO SIT STILL"

Tanner was an army intelligence veteran fresh out of Yale, hired by Richard Helms in 1947, one of the first two hundred CIA officers sworn into service. In Munich, his assignment was to recruit agents to gather intelligence for the United States from behind the iron curtain.

Almost every major nationality from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe had at least one self-important emigre group seeking help from the CIA in Munich and Frankfurt. Some of the men Tanner vetted as potential spies were Eastern Europeans who had sided with Germany against Russia. They included "people with fascist backgrounds trying to save their careers by becoming useful to the Americans," Tanner said, and he was wary of them. The non-Russians "hated the Russians violently," Tanner said, "and they were automatically on our side." Others who had fled the outlying republics of the Soviet Union exaggerated their power and influence. "These emigre groups, their main goal was to convince the U. S. government of their importance, and their ability to help the U. S. government, so that they would get support in one form or another," he said.

Lacking guidelines from Washington, Tanner wrote his own: to receive the CIA's support, the emigre groups had to be founded on native soil, not in a Munich coffeehouse. They had to have contact with antiSoviet groups in their home country. They should not be compromised by close collaboration with the Nazis. In December 1948, after a long and careful assessment. Tanner believed he had found a band of Ukrainians who deserved the CIA's backing. The group called itself the Supreme Council for the Liberation of the Ukraine. Its members in Munich served as political representatives of the fighters back home. The Supreme Council, Tanner reported to headquarters, was morally and politically sound.

Tanner spent the spring and summer of 1949 preparing to infiltrate his Ukrainians behind the iron curtain. The men had come out of the Carpathian Mountains as couriers months before, carrying messages from the Ukrainian underground written on thin sheets of paper folded into wads and sewn together. These scraps were seen as signs of a stalwart resistance movement that could provide intelligence on events in Ukraine and warning of a Soviet attack on Western Europe. Hopes were even higher at headquarters. The CIA believed that "the existence of this movement could have bearing on the course of an open conflict between the United States and the USSR."

Tanner hired a daredevil Hungarian air crew who had hijacked a Hungarian commercial airliner and flown it to Munich a few months earlier. General Wyman, the CIA's special-operations chief, formally approved the mission on July 26. Tanner supervised their training in Morse code and weaponry, planning to drop two of them back into their homeland so that the CIA could communicate with the partisans. But the CIA had no one in Munich with experience in parachuting agents behind enemy lines. Tanner finally found someone. "A Serbo-American colleague who had parachuted into Yugoslavia in World War Two taught my guys how to jump and land. And it was crazy! How can you do a backward somersault on impact with a carbine strapped to your side?" But that was the kind of operation that had made the OSS famous.

Tanner cautioned against great expectations. "We realized that in the woods of western Ukraine, they weren't liable to know what was on Stalin's mind, the big political issues," he said. "At least they could get documents, they could get pocket litter, clothing, shoes." To create a real network of spies inside the Soviet Union, the CIA would have to provide them with elements of disguise—the daily detritus of Soviet life. Even if the missions never produced much important intelligence. Tanner said, they would have strong symbolic value: "They showed Stalin that we weren't going to sit still. And that was important, because up 'til then we had done zilch as far as operations into his country."

On September 5, 1949, Tanner's men took off in a C-47 flown by the Hungarians who had hijacked their way into Munich. Singing a martial strain, they jumped into the darkness of the Carpathian night, landing near the city of Lvov. American intelligence had penetrated the Soviet Union.

The CIA history declassified in 2005 offers a terse summary of what happened next: "The Soviets quickly eliminated the agents."

"WHAT HAD WE DONE WRONG?"

The operation nevertheless set off a huge wave of enthusiasm at CIA headquarters. Wisner began drawing up plans to send more men to recruit networks of dissidents, create American-backed resistance forces, and send the White House early warning of a Soviet military attack. The CIA dispatched dozens of Ukrainian agents by air and by land. Almost every one was captured. Soviet intelligence officers used the prisoners to feed back disinformation—all's well, send more guns, more money, more men. Then they killed them. After five years of "abortive missions," the agency's history states, "CIA discontinued this approach."

"In the long run," it concludes, "the Agency's effort to penetrate the Iron Curtain using Ukrainian agents was ill-fated and tragic."

Wisner was undaunted. He started new paramilitary adventures all over Europe.

2 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

To attribute the JFKA to personal revenge is the trivialize what happened.  It requires ignoring the string of political murders of the 60s, of which it was the centerpiece:  Lamumba, Hammarskjold, JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, RFK, and Fred Hampton to mention a few of the victims.

 

No, the murder was about who would control America's relationship with the rest of the world. It was about the forces for war and peace.  It was about destruction of opposition from the Left.

 

JFK established which side he was on at American University when he said the kind of peace he was seeking was *not* a Pax Americana enforced by American weapons of war.  But that is exactly what his killers wanted.

 

You can draw a straight line from the Dulles brothers through Cheney and Rumsfeld to the band of fools running Washington today trying to enforce the latest version of that Pax Americana.

The quagmire is that you can also draw a through line from America First Committee of the 1930s, through Dallas and those assassinations you so appropriately include, to Trump's attempted coup in 2020.  We're not confronted with a choice between the two; we're confronted with finding a Third Way.

3 hours ago, Ed Berger said:

The chairman of the DCA, on the other hand, was H. Struve Hensel, a former general counsel for the Department of Defense (1952) and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs (1954). In summer of 1955, Hensel left the DoD, where he took up a position at the law firm of Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett (which interlocked with General Dynamics stakeholder Atlas Corporation via William G. Dillon, also of Cosmos Bank). It was a month following his arrive at the firm when Hensel took the spot on the DCA board. 

On September 30th, 1955, the Spokane Chronicle announced that William G. Dillon of Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett had been made vice president of the International Oil & Metals Corporation, a Delaware company that began a series of acquisitions in the western American mining sector (chiefly: uranium and gold).

Perhaps the addition of Dillon, a board member of WCC investor Atlas Corporation, allowed International Oil & Metals to gain access to the wider tapestry of corporate-intelligence connections that this milieu fostered. And indeed, on August 14th, 1956, the Philadelphia Inquirer announced that International Oil & Metals had "acquired a 75% interest in the 10,000,000 acre oil concession of the Compania Petrolera del Golfo del Darien, affiliate of the World Commerce Corp, in Panama..."

Almost exactly one year later the Salt Lake Tribune carried the announcement that "International Oil & Metals Corp has farmed out" this Panama concession to Delhi-Taylor Oil Corp, Dallas, Texas.. The agreement also provides that Delhi will spend three million dollars in the next three years in prospecting for oil on the acreages near Darien, Panama". In other words, a Panamanian oil concession set up by the World Commerce Corporation translated into an overseas venture for Murchison oil interests.

 

Did you come across an Oswald L. Johnson of Atlas Corp?

3 hours ago, Ed Berger said:

The chairman of the DCA, on the other hand, was H. Struve Hensel, a former general counsel for the Department of Defense (1952) and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs (1954). In summer of 1955, Hensel left the DoD, where he took up a position at the law firm of Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett (which interlocked with General Dynamics stakeholder Atlas Corporation via William G. Dillon, also of Cosmos Bank). It was a month following his arrive at the firm when Hensel took the spot on the DCA board. 

On September 30th, 1955, the Spokane Chronicle announced that William G. Dillon of Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett had been made vice president of the International Oil & Metals Corporation, a Delaware company that began a series of acquisitions in the western American mining sector (chiefly: uranium and gold).

Perhaps the addition of Dillon, a board member of WCC investor Atlas Corporation, allowed International Oil & Metals to gain access to the wider tapestry of corporate-intelligence connections that this milieu fostered. And indeed, on August 14th, 1956, the Philadelphia Inquirer announced that International Oil & Metals had "acquired a 75% interest in the 10,000,000 acre oil concession of the Compania Petrolera del Golfo del Darien, affiliate of the World Commerce Corp, in Panama..."

Almost exactly one year later the Salt Lake Tribune carried the announcement that "International Oil & Metals Corp has farmed out" this Panama concession to Delhi-Taylor Oil Corp, Dallas, Texas.. The agreement also provides that Delhi will spend three million dollars in the next three years in prospecting for oil on the acreages near Darien, Panama". In other words, a Panamanian oil concession set up by the World Commerce Corporation translated into an overseas venture for Murchison oil interests.

 

Amazing find, Ed.  So Clint et al were flying under the flag of WCC!  

Remember he was involved in a hotel development concern in the Bahamas with Leo Corrigan, Ruby's landlord; and Corrigan's son in law, international department at Mercantile Bank, worked alongside one of the Villere brothers from New Orleans who handled PR for Shaw's International Trade Mart; he was photographed with Neil Mallon of Dresser Industries not long after the assassination. The Villeres appear in the Skorzeny Papers.

I'm sure you know that D.H. Byrd was on the Delhi-Taylor board.  Among the tenants of 3707 Rawlins in spring of 1963, along with international real estate concern Previews Inc. that provided Ilse Skorzeny not just a cover but a lucrative gig, was a company named "Delhi."  I traced it to East Texas which is Murchison country but couldn't identify business documents to confirm; the Rawlins address led to a Alexandria VA concern. I wonder if it might have led eventually to IMC.  (I'm thinking about nickel here.)
 

4 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

However, there are also the notes from the Oswald interviews i.e. 'Out with Bill Shelley in front' & 'then he went outside to watch P parade'.

Interested to know if you have, or will obtain Bart's book & then post your opinion? 

I remember debating the interpretation of the notes as an exercise mostly to emphasize that Australians didn't "speak Dallas."

I wonder if Bart has read Coup? 

4 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Leslie, the early pages provide a brief history of the depository building's ownerships.  Having just downloaded the book I've only just covered the first hundred pages.

Slow going as there are so many interesting photographic and textual links embedded into the pages.

So far the text has documented statements given by TSBD employees along with the other occupants of the building, Scott Foresman & S.W. Publishing Co., etc., establishing their whereabouts and actions before, during & after the assassination.

 

Thanks, Pete,

Both Scott Foresman & S.W. Publishing Co. are of keen interest. Byrd received close scrutiny and rightfully so, while O.V. Campbell and his partner (whose name escapes me! lolol) slipped through the cracks.

I think I mentioned that I tracked the board of directors of each tenant.  

Warren Caster was SW Publishing; as you know, he was in Denton.

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

CIA agents were reportedly not to keep datebooks per their confidentiality agreements from what I've read.  Former director Allen Dulles apparently did.  Per recent re confirmation on this site, his for 11 22-23-24 1963 said simply, Farm.  

Federal Bureau of Narcotics "Colonel" George Hunter White", a CIA contract agent apparently felt no such compunction as he kept several over several years.  Which are quite revealing.  With no apparent implication of intent of monetary gain. 

Though to my knowledge they have not been verified by "expert" analysts.  Jean Pierre Laffite reputedly kept one, abbreviated, coded, in 1963, likely it seems with others over the years, that his family did not wish to fully reveal, though it seems his wife did feel part of the one from 1963 should be revealed as a part of history.  Is that where this argument over authenticity and relevance is stuck at the moment?

It's my understanding that Lafitte was not an official "agent."  He was a 'special employee' off and on of several three letter agencies including CIA, FBN, INS and FBI.

Hank's intro lays out a little more specific detail about the Lafitte collection he had access to.

 

@Jeremy Bojczuk

A cursory google translate:
Latin                      French

duum                    deux


Both Rene and Pierre spent a good deal of their adolescent years in  Europe. The datebook reflects a number of similar quirks. "merde merde,"  "vu je" "di coup de grace."

14 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Bart Kamp's book 'Prayer Man More Than A Fuzzy Picture' is now available on Kindle for just short of eight squid on Amazon U.K.

Amazon's review:-

The publication of Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture represents an unprecedented decade-long investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald’s last 48 hours.

Bart Kamp has produced a comprehensive work which delves into Lee Harvey Oswald and the other Texas School Book Depository employees inside the building during and shortly after President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22nd 1963.

Kamp’s detailed research also examines the period of Oswald’s incarceration and interrogations. It presents an entirely new and deep perspective of how the law enforcement agencies gathered their evidence that weekend. It reveals a dramatic new context in relation to understanding Lee Harvey Oswald's innocence.

Within these pages are many new and never before published revelations that contrast the altered accounts that were represented before the Warren Commission and challenges many commonly accepted assumptions and interpretations.
Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture is Kamp’s debut on the JFK Assassination.

Pete, can you say whether Bart Kamp delves into the tenants of the depository building? 

10 hours ago, Ed Berger said:

I'm not sure—all that I can really find on Western Tube is that it listed its address as 666 S. 29th Road, Arlington VA, with attorney Leonard Sussholz as its registered agent. 666 S.  29th Road appears to have been residential, and might have been Sussholz's home address (there's other companies where Sussholz is listed as agent, such as R.S. Hogan Inc., located at this address). Unfortunately Virginia corporate records online search doesn't list Western Tube. It's a similar pattern with the other companies listed. World Recovery Corp—named as an import-export company—tracks back to the offices of a patent lawyer in Washington DC, but doesn't turn up in DC records searches. 

Leon Frenk appears to have spent the early 1940s in Argentina as a businessman involved in (among other things) perfumes. A business partner of his was one Pablo Adolfo Ehrenhaus.

There was a Western Tube Corporation out in California, founded by Nicolae Malaxa, "a former financier of the Iron Guard, a Fascist group in wartime Rumania". Linda Minor has the following in a blog post:

In May 1951, at the height of the Korean War when all industry was under war-time control, Malaxa organized the Western Tube Corporation. The company, of which Malaxa was treasurer and sole stock owner – a thousand dollars worth – planned to manufacture seamless tubes for oil refining... On May 17,1951, the Western Tube Corporation filed for a "certificate of necessity" to give top war-time priority to its materials and personnel. Also, the company filed a petition seeking "first preference quota" for its treasurer, Nicolae Malaxa, on the grounds that he was indispensable to the operation of Western Tube. These two applications were personally promoted by Senator Nixon. Nixon telephoned the executive assistant to INS Commisioner James Hennessy to plead for Malaxa's permanent entry. And a letter sent by Nixon to the Defense Production Administrator marked "Urgent" insisted, "It is important strategically and economically, both for California and the entire United States, that a plant for the manufacturing of seamlees tubing for oil wells be erected … urge that every consideration it may merit be given to the pending application."... A year after becoming a permanent resident, Malaxa visited with Juan Peron in Argentina. Malaxa also met in Buenos Aires, according to the CIA, with Otto Skorzeny, the Nazi parachutist who had rescued Mussolini in 1943. Skorzeny, now settled in Madrid, remained a close associate of other Rumanian exiles, including Horia Sima, the head of the Iron Guard.

While interesting, I haven't found anything suggesting a corporate relationship between the Western Tube Corporation in California and the Western Tube Division Inc in Virginia.
 

Nicolae Malaxa.  You know his ties to Nixon?
I wasn't sure if the Western Tubes were the same either.  If so, it's quite significant.
I wasn't aware of the link to Skorzeny at the time. 

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

He has expressed no outrage about any of Trump's serious crimes, to my knowledge.

But he did recently express some outrage about the trumped-up GOP Biden-Burisma nothing burger.

That's a start.

Seems to me that playing to MAGA is only going to further enrage Kennedy Democrats during the primary so he's actually cancelling out any serious chance of taking the nomination.  He'll drain Biden of much needed energy and resources to defeat Trump.  So, what's up? 

8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Great find, Leslie!  Wish i could read it but I don't want to subscribe.

Patrick Byrne, with Michael Flynn ans Sydney Powell were part of the plan to seize the voting machines in the key states and to have Trump declare martial law.  Then later to put pressure on Pence to declare a delay one week so they, in a coordinated attack  could try to influence those key state legislators.

If they are contributors  to RK's campaign. I wonder why he hasn't been asked about them yet? It would be interesting to see how many people here would still insist that RK is being picked  on by the "Deep State"! 

Watch how cagey Byrne is in this episode of Frontline before he is exposed as the kingpin! @26:45 through 35:00!

 

 

I think Financial Times permits a couple of free reads.

https://www.ft.com/content/bafd0e2b-901a-4c47-b721-5c563532028a

8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Great find, Leslie!  Wish i could read it but I don't want to subscribe.

Patrick Byrne, with Michael Flynn ans Sydney Powell were part of the plan to seize the voting machines in the key states and to have Trump declare martial law.  Then later to put pressure on Pence to declare a delay one week so they, in a coordinated attack  could try to influence those key state legislators.

If they are contributors  to RK's campaign. I wonder why he hasn't been asked about them yet? It would be interesting to see how many people here would still insist that RK is being picked  on by the "Deep State"! 

Watch how cagey Byrne is in this episode of Frontline before he is exposed as the kingpin! @26:45 through 35:00!

 

 

Where is Robert Kennedy's outrage?

7 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Yup here it is! Byrne has contributed $100,000 to Rk's campaign.  It was released yesterday in the NY times! I know who Kate Kelly is.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/rfk-jr-donors.html

And Timothy Mellon, reportedly $5 million.

' . . . Other top Kennedy supporters [in addition to Timothy Mellon, son of OSS Paul Mellon] include Patrick Byrne, the former chief executive of Overstock.com, and venture capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya, as well as a large contribution from a group funded by Silicon Valley investor David Sacks. 
https://www.ft.com/content/bafd0e2b-901a-4c47-b721-5c563532028a

The Oval Office meeting took place Dec. 18, about six weeks after the 2020 presidential election lost by former President Trump; outside advisers including former Trump attorney Sidney Powell, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne gathered for a discussion with White House attorneys. 

They discussed a plan to have the military seize voting machines in the key states that Trump lost, appoint Powell as a special counsel to investigate purported voter fraud and have Trump declare martial law as part of the effort to overturn the election results. 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4085087-special-counsel-digging-into-oval-office-meeting-in-final-days-of-trump-presidency-report/

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

I think pretty much everyone on this forum by now knows Allen Dulles himself was a sadistic monster.  From watching mouse traps to his brother drowning and more.  Under him the CIA became a Monster as well, Iran, Guatemala, Lumumba and more.  It seems he maintained influence over/within some parts of the CIA well after his firing in 1961.  

My question at this point is did he (maybe Angleton too) know or know of Otto Skorzeny, and, might he/they have utilized him in a plan to assassinate JFK?

Not much question in my mind they both knew of him in WWII.  Dulles in Switzerland, ignoring the Holocaust in action, protecting Rockefeller investments, trying to negotiate a surrender with no authorization.  Angleton in Italy.  Skorzeny at the battle of the bulge in us uniforms, rescuing Mussolini, more.  

U S Special Forces were sent to Skorzeny's training camps outside Madrid.  Who authorized that?

Would Dulles have utilized a network of assassins controlled by Skorzeny to kill his former boss who fired him, in part as revenge among other purposes, as Steve Thomas alluded to as a motive?

Stephenson, Donovan, Dulles formed World Commerce Corporation.  Skorzeny's first gig was contract work with Frank Ryan, Madrid, WCC.

David Ogilvie composed the mission statement of WCC; his brother-in-law Rosser Reeves (who coined "I Like Ike") appears in Pierre Lafitte's financial ledger.