Ron Bulman

Where do you get the 20 mph wind? The rain had passed, the sun was out, I've never seen the tree leaves or coats, dresses fluttering in the wind. The prevailing wind in north central Texas in the fall/winter is from the N-N/W pushing even a light breeze towards Dealy Plaza. I thought others near the knoll smelled gunpowder, even some on the overpass saw smoke they rushed towards it. I don't know about a construction helmet but Bowers reportedly told his minister as well as a close friend he did not tell the Warren Commission everything he saw. Presumably because he was told or warned not to. Then he spoke to Mark Lane. His wife said "they told him not to talk."

Just wanted to share somewhere. The first Allman Brothers song I ever remember hearing. Black and white, blurry. historical. Dicky Betts jamming with his friend and mentor Duane Allman on slide guitar shortly before Duane passed.

Maybe a blurred microscope slide? Or something seen when taking mescaline, orange sunshine or Purple Haze, though with brighter colors and more detail.

Great article by Donald Gibson. Hard to believe it's nearly 30 years old. I've got Battling Wall Street and The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up. All I've read by him is good. Not to digress but I've wondered for years about the selection and role of John J. McCloy. The "Chairman" of the East Coast Establishment. He (also?) said they were there to "settle the dust" if I remember right.

Hi Pete. This was discussed in a thread here on the forum in the last year or two. I'm frustrated I can't remember what thread or part of what I read or maybe posted in it (where I'd read what I may have posted). I spent about an hour looking through several of the books I have. The only detail I found is from Vince Palamara's Survivors Guilt. It states political advance man Gerry Bruno's itinerary on 11/7 says "unequivocally" at the Womens Building in Fair Park. This is followed by a statement from Connally that the site was still uncertain, The Secret Service had not cleared the matter on 11/8. That's two weeks before the assassination. In looking today I came across LBJ and JBC hounding JFK for a year to come to Texas to heal the rift between them and Yarborough. Speculation that the rift was created by LBJ and JBC to draw JFK to smooth it over. This from LBJ: Mastermind, which I tend to discount much of give its premise with which I disagree, though it has a few useful points. The part from the prior thread I can't remember or find the source of involved Connally, apparently sometime after 11/8, went ballistic, became "unbearable", threatened not to participate to a SSA, but I'm not sure which one. I do remember thinking LBJ, and in turn JBC had to have been told that the speech site had to be the Trademart. Were the told why? So the parade route would go by the TSBD? I'd think not. Or Connally would have refused to ride with JFK, or at least been ducking down in Dealy Plaza.

LBJ's prior knowledge is essential. So he doesn't overreact. So he knows what to do. I think he was given an ultimatum. His crimes exposed or cooperate. How long before? I don't think he was trusted by the plotters. A week, two, a month?

Thank you for this John. A lot of info in there. It was cool to see Hank Albarelli talking briefly, Then Lashbrook, the Army/CIA fellow scientist who was int the room with Frank Olson when he was pitched out the window. It did start drifting away from Pont-St.-Esprit but came back with a good closing by Albarelli. Though in their summation I think they get the method of delivery wrong. It was not the bread. Fank Olson's bio-chemistry research specialty was aerosol delivery of such products. Frank's son Eric referred to a home movie with a short blurb in it of a crop duster taking off from an unknown field. Not much, but Frank was in France or the area specifically on dates before, itself and after per some documentation. The photography of the town is great. Much larger than I imagined. Worth re watching and taking notes for me.

Ok, did I lead this astray? How did we get from Rafel Cruz and the JFKA to Bill Clinton and Roger Stone's sex lives. It is tempting to boot this to the water cooler based on Robert's sensationalism. Tell me, why not?

It's pretty shocking that the Supreme Court should be considering such in the first place. It is revolting that a president that a president might be considered immune for assassinating anyone.

The book is about much more but see this for $7.51 US plus shipping. Or buy a new copy, which I guess would benefit his estate. It's well documented. A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments: Albarelli Jr., H. P.: 9780977795376: Amazon.com: Books

Yes, his prior HSCA testimony is likely the clue to his untimely demise. Some young guys fishing in the bay. They found an oil drum floating in the water. They said they could see through the holes in the drum what they thought were human remains. We had the maritime patrol boat pull it up to the shore. We got a tow tuck to take it out. It was opened at the scene. The tow truck driver helped us open it. What did you see inside? It was a big blob. A blob? Gray and white blob. With a powerful smell. It was bloated as it could get inside of this drum. Here's a short video that show's the drum on the tow truck on the way to the medical examiners office. What a dreadful job that would have been. Bing Videos Pardon my proclivity for related (usually) music videos.

Jim, you know me well enough by now to realize I can be a little bit sarcastic every now and then. I think W probably understands I was kidding him. I thought the whole Cruz's dad/JFK thing was a scam from the start created by team t to smear Cruz and distract from anything resembling policies, plans etc. There must be another story in there somewhere. Considering it's the Enquirer, with a publisher at the time named Pecker. Then along comes a porn star and a Playboy centerfold star. And, oop's, guess that belongs in the water cooler.

The Whitehouse Stationary document is interesting. No date but Routing: Colby, Belin. An Identity Sheet (Partial) Frank R. Olson Identity 17: see att. 7. Pierre (Jean) Laffite (bellmAN?FBN) 8. FNU Spiritto (a/k/a/s) 9 George H. White 10. French EmbaSSY* JM 11. Pont Saint Esprit incident (Olsojn) 12. Lovell-Detrick 13. Ruwet, V Who were the first six? This was used by Chenny to develop Ford's response to the Olson's. Downplay, apologize and pay off.

But it looks so much like him in the pictures. Is it . . . fake photography?

An interesting tidbit from Alan Kent's essay A Well-Concealed T near the end of Hank Albarelli's Coup in Dallas. "Barnes and Angleton were both Yale men, and both had attended Harvard Law School, although Angleton did not graduate. Barnes, a few years older than Angleton, did not attend these institutions at the same time as did Angleton, but both men were members of Yale's secret society "Scroll and Key", the major rival of the more famous "Skull and Bones" for the souls of young Yale men. To surmise further for the moment, they and their wives were part of the Georgetown Set.

What are the odds John Roselli shortly before his HSCA testimony would disappear and later be found having been garroted, stabbed and shot. Legs cut off and stuffed in a 55 gallon oil drum with holes cut in it and wrapped in heavy chain. Dropped in the ocean. With all those contingences, probably pretty high. Separately, what are the chances the gases in his own decomposing body would be enough to lift it, the drum and chains to the surface to be washed up near shore?

No, it's not, is it. That statement is now an established fact. The Warren Omission is the invalidated theory.

65% still don't believe Oswald acted alone. Chop it up however you want. Still 65%.

Wow. So, Bundy, Bissell, Barnes and King took down Dulles, Bissell and Cabbell with the Bay of Pigs with JFK "cleaning house" (ha) afterwards. And at the same time they set up JFK for failure to start out his administration. He did take full responsibility publicly though it was Ike/Nixon's lame duck. Labeled by some as weak on Communism. It ultimately had far reaching, deadly effects.

Youngblood had to be a yes man, kisser upper, brown noser to advance under LBJ.

I've still got that album, along with Beginnings, Brothers and Sisters, and Enlightened Rouges. My favorite off Filmore East has always been Whipping Post, a full album side to itself. I guess you know the story behind Elizabet Reed? Gavin Edwards - » Who was Elizabeth Reed, the woman immortalized beautifully in the Allman Brothers song? (rulefortytwo.com)

Other than Jim Marrs interview of Senator Yarborough mentioned above from Crossfire the only thing I remember reading about this if from Joseph McBride's Into The Nightmare and his June 24, 1988 interview of Yarborough. From pages 387-388. Youngblood's 1964 Warren Commission testimony contained significant qualifiers. He said after hearing the first shot and seeing unusual crowd movement as well as movement in the Secret Service follow up car behind the president's limousine, "I turned around and hit the Vice President on the shoulder and hollered, get down, then looked around again and saw more of this movement, and so I proceeded to do to the back seat and get on top of him. I then heard two more shots. But I would like to say this. I would not be positive that I was on that back seat before the second shot. But the Vice President himself said I was". Asked to describe his movements further, Youngblood added another qualifier" "Well, the Vice President says that I vaulted over. It was more of a stepping over. And then i sat on top of him, he being crouched down somewhat." Yarborough scoffed at that story. He said Youngblood never left the front seat. The back seat was so full . . . Yarborough's description of Johnson's reaction after the shots were fired is suggestive: Absolutely motionless. Said nothing. You know the tale Johnson liked to tell about Youngblood, the Secret Service man, jumping over the front seat when the shots were fired and shielding him with his body? Well, that's as big a cock-and-bull tale as the time he told the Marines in Da Nang that his great-grand father had fought at the Alamo. [Actually Johnson told servicemen in Camp Stanley in Korea, "My great-great-grandfather died at the Alamo."] Youngblood never jumped over the seat. Johnson sat there stoically. The only time they moved was when we were going through the Tripple Overpass, and Youngblood leaned over the seat - - he had a small radio receiver in his hand - - and Johnson leaned over, they were about six inches apart, and they listened to some transmission together on the radio. I asked them what happened, and they didn't say anything. . . . They knew damn well what had happened, because when the cars pulled up at the hospital, the Secret Service men swarmed all around Johnson, and one of them said, "Mr. President." They left Mrs. Kennedy alone in the car with the body, grieving over it. They knew he was dead instantly, because his head was blown off. Mrs. Kennedy was holding onto him and wouldn't let him go until they put a suit coat around him to cover his head [Secret Service Agent Clint Hill did that].

Thank you, Larry. I do have SWHT, Nexus and Tipping Point. I thought I'd read Dulles later admitted he knew the operation would fail without the air support JFK "withheld". But he did nothing to end the CIA operation as soon as they were trapped on the beach. Didn't he also later claim that he'd left the operational planning to Bissell and was unfamiliar with the details? So, Barnes and Bissell actually bear the blame?

Were any of them asked? Yes, Youngblood, who deferred to the new president. There were other SSA's as well.