Ron Bulman

The Whitehouse Stationary document is interesting. No date but Routing: Colby, Belin. An Identity Sheet (Partial) Frank R. Olson Identity 17: see att. 7. Pierre (Jean) Laffite (bellmAN?FBN) 8. FNU Spiritto (a/k/a/s) 9 George H. White 10. French EmbaSSY* JM 11. Pont Saint Esprit incident (Olsojn) 12. Lovell-Detrick 13. Ruwet, V Who were the first six? This was used by Chenny to develop Ford's response to the Olson's. Downplay, apologize and pay off.

But it looks so much like him in the pictures. Is it . . . fake photography?

An interesting tidbit from Alan Kent's essay A Well-Concealed T near the end of Hank Albarelli's Coup in Dallas. "Barnes and Angleton were both Yale men, and both had attended Harvard Law School, although Angleton did not graduate. Barnes, a few years older than Angleton, did not attend these institutions at the same time as did Angleton, but both men were members of Yale's secret society "Scroll and Key", the major rival of the more famous "Skull and Bones" for the souls of young Yale men. To surmise further for the moment, they and their wives were part of the Georgetown Set.

What are the odds John Roselli shortly before his HSCA testimony would disappear and later be found having been garroted, stabbed and shot. Legs cut off and stuffed in a 55 gallon oil drum with holes cut in it and wrapped in heavy chain. Dropped in the ocean. With all those contingences, probably pretty high. Separately, what are the chances the gases in his own decomposing body would be enough to lift it, the drum and chains to the surface to be washed up near shore?

No, it's not, is it. That statement is now an established fact. The Warren Omission is the invalidated theory.

65% still don't believe Oswald acted alone. Chop it up however you want. Still 65%.

Wow. So, Bundy, Bissell, Barnes and King took down Dulles, Bissell and Cabbell with the Bay of Pigs with JFK "cleaning house" (ha) afterwards. And at the same time they set up JFK for failure to start out his administration. He did take full responsibility publicly though it was Ike/Nixon's lame duck. Labeled by some as weak on Communism. It ultimately had far reaching, deadly effects.

Youngblood had to be a yes man, kisser upper, brown noser to advance under LBJ.

I've still got that album, along with Beginnings, Brothers and Sisters, and Enlightened Rouges. My favorite off Filmore East has always been Whipping Post, a full album side to itself. I guess you know the story behind Elizabet Reed? Gavin Edwards - » Who was Elizabeth Reed, the woman immortalized beautifully in the Allman Brothers song? (rulefortytwo.com)

Other than Jim Marrs interview of Senator Yarborough mentioned above from Crossfire the only thing I remember reading about this if from Joseph McBride's Into The Nightmare and his June 24, 1988 interview of Yarborough. From pages 387-388. Youngblood's 1964 Warren Commission testimony contained significant qualifiers. He said after hearing the first shot and seeing unusual crowd movement as well as movement in the Secret Service follow up car behind the president's limousine, "I turned around and hit the Vice President on the shoulder and hollered, get down, then looked around again and saw more of this movement, and so I proceeded to do to the back seat and get on top of him. I then heard two more shots. But I would like to say this. I would not be positive that I was on that back seat before the second shot. But the Vice President himself said I was". Asked to describe his movements further, Youngblood added another qualifier" "Well, the Vice President says that I vaulted over. It was more of a stepping over. And then i sat on top of him, he being crouched down somewhat." Yarborough scoffed at that story. He said Youngblood never left the front seat. The back seat was so full . . . Yarborough's description of Johnson's reaction after the shots were fired is suggestive: Absolutely motionless. Said nothing. You know the tale Johnson liked to tell about Youngblood, the Secret Service man, jumping over the front seat when the shots were fired and shielding him with his body? Well, that's as big a cock-and-bull tale as the time he told the Marines in Da Nang that his great-grand father had fought at the Alamo. [Actually Johnson told servicemen in Camp Stanley in Korea, "My great-great-grandfather died at the Alamo."] Youngblood never jumped over the seat. Johnson sat there stoically. The only time they moved was when we were going through the Tripple Overpass, and Youngblood leaned over the seat - - he had a small radio receiver in his hand - - and Johnson leaned over, they were about six inches apart, and they listened to some transmission together on the radio. I asked them what happened, and they didn't say anything. . . . They knew damn well what had happened, because when the cars pulled up at the hospital, the Secret Service men swarmed all around Johnson, and one of them said, "Mr. President." They left Mrs. Kennedy alone in the car with the body, grieving over it. They knew he was dead instantly, because his head was blown off. Mrs. Kennedy was holding onto him and wouldn't let him go until they put a suit coat around him to cover his head [Secret Service Agent Clint Hill did that].

Thank you, Larry. I do have SWHT, Nexus and Tipping Point. I thought I'd read Dulles later admitted he knew the operation would fail without the air support JFK "withheld". But he did nothing to end the CIA operation as soon as they were trapped on the beach. Didn't he also later claim that he'd left the operational planning to Bissell and was unfamiliar with the details? So, Barnes and Bissell actually bear the blame?

Were any of them asked? Yes, Youngblood, who deferred to the new president. There were other SSA's as well.

I do.

I think I met him or J. Gary Shaw in the early 1990's in the West End Market Place, at 603 Munger Ave. Up Houston from the TSBD. Where the bumper sticker on the wall behind my desk came from. At the JFK Assassination Information Center. For a minute or two only, when I purchased the bumper sticker.

The real proof they were involved in the coverup is LBJ's WC statement Youngblood jumped over the seat to cover him at the sound of the shots. Denied by Youngblood and Senator Yarbough. Ok. Youngblood didn't out right deny it he just said "If that's what the president said", from memory. LBJ bending down between the front seats to listen to Youngblood's walkie-talkie to me indicates they were aware something was going to happen, and they listened in to hear reports of it's success. Not that LBJ was involved in the planning or execution itself.

So, they sabotaged Dulles and JFK in one fell swoop? I've not read In Denial (sorry Larry).

The other journalism related death I referred to is Karyn Kupcinet, daughter of extremely popular Chicago newspaper columnist Irv Kupcinet. She did not yell at a telephone operator a few minutes before the assassination that JFK was going to be shot. That was debunked by Greg Parker per Hit List. The book does make a decent case that Karyn may have been murdered as a warning to her dad not to write about Ruby's Chicago connections. This is based in large part on the work of former forum contributor Kathleen Collins. It seems Irv had mob connections/informants of his own. In particular "Jimmy Colitz, one of Ruby's oldest and closest friends." Karyn was found 11/30, 8 days after the assassination, 6 days after Ruby shot Oswald. She had been dead 2-3 days when found. She, as an aspiring actress living in LA, had been in Palm Springs the weekend after the assassination. So had Paul "Red" Dorfman, big time mobster with national connections . . . who Irv knew well." The book, and Kathleen postulate, with more detail, that after Ruby shot Oswald the Chicago mob grew worried his roots might lead home. So, they created national news as a distraction and warned Irv not to write about it. He didn't, nor much else with his former verve. IDK. I don't think Sam Giancana was involved in the JFKA. But if he ordered this hit from 1963 Chicago?

In memory of Dickey Betts. The last of the Allman Brothers. I saw them March 24 1973 in Tarrant County convention center from the floor, near the front and again June 28 1974 in Texas Stadium with Joe Walsh and Marshall Tucker. His song, he stepped up after Duane died.

Bill, as a result of your last few post's I'd just gone back and re read the pages on Florence Smith in Hit List and was about to post suggesting her death was interesting in a related way. Not a journalist but close friends with Kilgallen, close enough for Dorothy to give her the Ruby notes that then disappeared. Your post has info not in Hit list. Which I think I have read a few years back (e.g. Mr. Simkins article). She has been discussed on the forum before. When and where I don't recall. I do remember questioning, "She died of a cerebral hemorrhage apparently as a result of having Leukemia" per the death certificate. No autopsy (?), how did they know for sure? Are cerebral hemorrhage's normally associated with Leukemia? (I think I dug a bit but don't remember what I found, if anything). I just seems a strange coincidence that she died from this, two days after her close friend Kilgallen's suspicious death, and the Ruby notes were lost to history. There is another journalist related death I'll post on separately in a bit.

A sheriff, a felon and a conspiracy theorist walk into a hotel. They’re there for the same conference. (msn.com)

It's working now. Here we go W.

Dick Clark. Seriously. Hendrix bailed after a few gig's.

I should probably let this thread slide into oblivion, not much interest. But before we do, a few things. As Paul mentioned, great and important work(s). A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments: Albarelli Jr., H. P.: 9780977795376: Amazon.com: Books Several things in the book are shocking, fascinating, and important. Pont-St.-Esprit was one of the most such for me, in addition to Olson's murder. LSD to me was the 1960's mind expanding drug I tried 3 -4 times in the early 1970's. No bad trips, though one a little tense because of unforeseen circumstances. Overdosing people spraying it from a crop duster in 1951 kind of blows my mind today. Allen Dulles facilitated that. It was a multi agency experiment, CIA - Army, Multi National effort, British (French?). Then the Swiss/Sanoz. Eric Olson remembering his father's b/w home movie blurb of a crop duster taking off in an unknown field in the middle of other family things. The villagers noticing men in expensive suits in town the day before. Dr. Albert Hoffman, the Swiss Sanoz researcher/developer of LSD wandering the streets observing in the days afterwards, Sanoz supplied the CIA with LSD for years before I think, MERK synthesized it for the CIA. All a bit mind boggling given the CIA was just getting started. I just kind of figured LSD was something a chemist came up with. I'd never heard of ergot, people afflicted BC. It forms on the grains of rye then ferments under certain conditions of humidity , liberating several alkaloids of ergot. LSD-25 it was noted, was one of the alkaloids produced by the fermentation of ergot. I never knew people were experimented on without their knowledge, many over dosed, purposefully, many died.

Thank you Paul. I think so too.