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8 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
I haven't really seen any anger or ridicule in Leslie's posts. However, several of her fact base responses have been directed to those suppressing evidence of the violent January 6, 2021 coup attempt.
Can you cite instances of my anger and ridicule? I wonder if projection is a factor in play?
I can provide you with incidents of same coming from your camp.
As I said yesterday, provocation escalates, so I'm making a concerted effort to approach this debate with respect for all engaged. You've no idea how acerbic an Irish las can be when relentlessly provoked.
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A question of the moderators of this thread . . . what constitutes disruptive behavior?
remarks hurled at me recently. . .Looks like our Scorned woman is trying to slide the thread,
I feel like I know now what it's like to have a teenage daughter..
try again, princess. My you’ve caught a cold here.
Sounds a bit like mother bear is a little wound up.
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2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:
You seem to have left out the part about the FBI informants in the group (Including the leader of the Proud Boys), but that makes sense since all you seem to be able to do is copy and paste other people works..
are you referring to Tarrio?
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49 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
WRONG AGAIN!! Aunt Jemimah was a real person who launched her own company https://abcnews.go.com/US/untold-story-real-aunt-jemima-fight-preserve-legacy/story?id=72293603
This cryptic remark is a reflection of interrupted intellectual development.
Paul has eloquently and gently laid down a gauntlet. I second the motion. -
11 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
You realize we now know Mr. Buffalo Horns (seen in this footage) was escorted into the Senate Chamber by Capitol Police?
It sure looks like he was planted there.
And the other occupants? Also?
How many were federal assets?
Inside the Capitol, there seems to be no violence, no confrontations, even in the New Yorker video, which likely would have highlighted such violence.
Stay skeptical. Something fishy here.
or this, Benjamin?
WHERE'S NANCY catcalls -
2 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
You realize we now know Mr. Buffalo Horns (seen in this footage) was escorted into the Senate Chamber by Capitol Police?
It sure looks like he was planted there.
And the other occupants? Also?
How many were federal assets?
Inside the Capitol, there seems to be no violence, no confrontations, even in the New Yorker video, which likely would have highlighted such violence.
Stay skeptical. Something fishy here.
I suppose it depends on your definition of "violence".
We witnessed violence as defined, strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force, by those who forced elected officials from the Chamber in the middle of executing their sworn duty to guarantee the peaceful transfer of leadership as proscribed in OUR Constitution.
Do you not recall any of this, Benjamin?
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2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:
Facts and logic don't mean anything to an emotional person obviously. The Chansley footage refutes the insurrection narrative to the point of debunking it. (See 1926 Easter Rising Insurrection for comparison)
Watch this video to see Van Jones explaining what it was and get it through your head what the Stop the Steal was about and that the "iNsUrReCtIoN" did the opposite of what you are alleging happened to OUR constitution. If you can't understand something this simple you most definitely can't understand the JFKAWE ARE LISTENING TO YOUR BOSS! - insurrectionist to Capitol police ...
WHERE THE F * * * IS NANCY?
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1 minute ago, John Cotter said:
You’ve posted this purportedly in response to a post of mine, but it has no relevance whatsoever to what I said in my post. You just keep piling irrelevance upon irrelevance.
I’ve put William Niederhut on ignore for similar disruptive behaviour and I’m now likewise putting you on ignore.
Disruptive behavior? Are you joking? I am challenging the propaganda you're pushing on this thread. Take your grievance to the moderators. Ignoring me would speak volumes about your intellect and integrity.
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5 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
Leslie,
Excellent refutations of John Cotter and our Coalition of the Clueless.
You may not know that these guys-- including Mathew Koch and Ben Cole-- adamantly refused to watch the Congressional J6 hearings last year, which is one reason why they have been so easily suckered by Tucker Carlson's false revisionist history of J6.
John Cotter doesn't seem to know that the Congressional J6 investigation focused mainly on Donald Trump and his Willard Hotel cabal. The Committee did question one Capitol attacker in detail-- the young cabinet maker from Ohio who greatly regretted the fact that Fox News and Trump had lied to him about their Stop the Steal scam.
Chansley is, at most, a right wing coup denier's straw man-- a logical subject for Tucker Carlson's (and Benjamin Cole's) false revisionist history of J6.
I should also warn you that John Cotter's modus operandi in debates is to misquote and misrepresent what people have written, then claim that he has "refuted" them. When all else fails, he ignores the rebuttals of his poorly informed arguments.
You go, girl!
Thanks for the heads up! I'm clearly standing on the shoulders of giants like yourself.
The theme of the discussion is "the end result of the last 56 years" which I just assumed was reference to the ongoing threat to democracy since 1963. I'm somewhat astonished this goes on among those who claim to know something about the Kennedy assassination. Are these guys infiltrators who — had they been of age in '63 — cheered the coup in Dallas?
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19 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
Thanks for conceding that your previous responses were not rebuttals and were instead diversionary nonsense.
But true to form, you’ve again dodged the substantive points of my post and posted more nonsense. Contrary to what you claim, (a) you don’t know what was in Chansley’s mind and (b) you don’t know how a judge would view the withheld footage. Not that it matters, because these are strawman arguments, in other words, nonsense.
As I said, the withholding of the exculpatory footage (it had to be exculpatory if the police were accompanying him – otherwise the police should be charged also) was a perversion of the course of justice. You haven’t addressed this point, probably because it’s irrefutable.
Likewise, you haven’t addressed what I said about the security stripping. It’s understandable that you would ignore that, because you can’t “rebut” a fact. You’ve similarly ignored the logical implication of that fact, namely, as I said, that J6 it was a set up.
Please stop cluttering the thread and wasting everyone’s time with irrelevant gibberish.
Please stop cluttering the thread and wasting everyone’s time with irrelevant gibberish.
This coming from a purported defender of the First Amendment?The more you push Carlson and his agenda, the longer I'll be on this thread. Your choice. And as far as I know, you don't own this tree house, and I am certain it's not a boys only club. By the way, where ARE the women on this thread, started by a competent researcher who by the way is female. Did you and your ilk intimidate them?
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10 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
Thanks for conceding that your previous responses were not rebuttals and were instead diversionary nonsense.
But true to form, you’ve again dodged the substantive points of my post and posted more nonsense. Contrary to what you claim, (a) you don’t know what was in Chansley’s mind and (b) you don’t know how a judge would view the withheld footage. Not that it matters, because these are strawman arguments, in other words, nonsense.
As I said, the withholding of the exculpatory footage (it had to be exculpatory if the police were accompanying him – otherwise the police should be charged also) was a perversion of the course of justice. You haven’t addressed this point, probably because it’s irrefutable.
Likewise, you haven’t addressed what I said about the security stripping. It’s understandable that you would ignore that, because you can’t “rebut” a fact. You’ve similarly ignored the logical implication of that fact, namely, as I said, that J6 it was a set up.
Please stop cluttering the thread and wasting everyone’s time with irrelevant gibberish.
I suspect an appellate judge would be compelled to weigh this footage. Perhaps you've forgotten about it?
Keep in mind, while events were unfolding inside the chamber, violent hand to hand confrontation was taking place outside.Keep in mind, these insurrectionists were occupying the proscribed venue for the peaceful transfer of leadership as set forth in OUR Constitution.
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5 minutes ago, Paul Rigby said:
Outraged at the Shaman's heinous crime of, well, wandering round under police escort, silent on Bidenescu's minor offence of blowing up Nord Streams 1 & 2 and causing an ecological catastrophe.
Modern Democrats in a nutshell.
A video Tucker doesn't want MAGA to see ... again.
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13 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
Still no logical rebuttal.
Thanks again for the validation.
Rebuttal is in the eye of the beholder. But to satisfy your frustration, I refute your contention that some footage of Chansley being escorted around the capitol is evidence that he shouldn't be charged as an insurrectionist when he stood at the Speaker's podium knowing that he was there because mayhem was disrupting the peaceful transfer of leadership under the terms set forth in OUR Constitution. Do you think Chansley's defense would effectively persuade a judge and or jury with this new footage? And if his attorneys were entitled to the footage, so are we, and all media outlets unless of course a judge ruled otherwise in which instance, the case should have made it's way through the courts before Carlson aired a single clip. Something rotten in Denmark for sure.
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3 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
Instead of rebutting what I said in my original post - the withholding of evidence exculpating Chansley, the security stripping etc - you've gone off on a tangent, effectively a red herring.
Thanks for the validation.
Au contraire, John. I attempted to elevated the conversation so that it has some relevance. Your observation is an alt-right soundbite with no substance.
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9 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
You seem to have left out the part about the FBI informants in the group (Including the leader of the Proud Boys), but that makes sense since all you seem to be able to do is copy and paste other people works..
No comment regarding the plethora of information that confirms these organizations are made up of neo-fascists if not avowed N-azis?
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2 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
You seem to have left out the part about the FBI informants in the group (Including the leader of the Proud Boys), but that makes sense since all you seem to be able to do is copy and paste other people works..
Are you referring to Tarrio?
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24 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
You've got it arseways.
Carlson didn't scapegoat Chansley. It was the J6 Committee who scapegoated him - just like the DPD, the WC et al scapegoated Oswald.
The comparison eludes you? I admit it requires a bit of thought, or perhaps you're not all that familiar with the plot to assassination the president in Dallas that included the perfect patsy. Chansley is the diversion from what was taking place over at the Willard Hotel, from John Eastman, Roger Stone, & Co.
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12 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
The elephant in the room is the White Supremists you hang your hat on are Federal Provacautuers meant to make the MAGA people look bad and your confirmation bias swallowed the bait hook line and sinker..
Maybe you should take time out from Ed Forum and focus on setting your version of the record straight over at Wikipedia?
Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the government of the United States, including the transfer of Presidential power as prescribed by the US Constitution. It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper. As of January 2023, nine members have been convicted of seditious conspiracy for their roles in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. These include three who pled guilty in early 2022, Rhodes and another leader who were convicted of multiple felonies that November, and four more who were convicted of multiple felony charges in January 2023.[4] [5]
The Three Percenters, also styled 3 Percenters, 3%ers and III%ers,[1] are an American and Canadian far-right anti-government militia.[2][3][4][5]
The group advocates gun ownership rights and resistance to the U.S. federal government.[6][7] The group's name derives from the erroneous[8][9] claim that "...the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists..." during the American Revolution.[10]
Vanguard America 
Vanguard America is an American white supremacist, neo-National Socialist, neo-fascist organization. The organization is also a member of the Nationalist Front.[1][2] The group gained significant attention after it was revealed that James Alex Fields had marched with them at the Unite the Right rally before being arrested on murder charges.[3][4] The group has its roots in the alt-right movement.[5]
Patriot Front is an American white nationalist and neo-fascist hate group.[7] Part of the broader alt-rightmovement, the group split off from the neo-National Socialist organization Vanguard America in the aftermath of the Unite the Right rally in 2017.[1][8][9][10] Patriot Front's aesthetic combines traditional Americana with fascist symbolism.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10][11] Marchers included members of the alt-right,[12] neo-Confederates,[13] neo-fascists,[14] white nationalists,[15] neo-National Socialists,[16] Klansmen,[17] and far-rightmilitias.[18]
The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right neo-fascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][9][10] It has been called a street gang[11][12] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada[13][14] and New Zealand.[8] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and their support for former U.S. President Donald Trump.[1][10]
Matthew, perhaps the exclusively male policy of Proud Boys is particularly attractive? -
John Cotter writes, As I see it, one “lie” Carlson refers to is the withholding of exculpatory evidence regarding Jacob Chansley, the Horned Viking as you refer to him. This evidence was withheld from Chansley, his lawyer and the public by the J6 Committee.
Focus on Chansley is the equivalent of 60 years of misguided focus on Lee Harvey Oswald, the patsy in the plot to assassinate Kennedy in Dallas 11.22.63.
While Carlson employs the shaman as a distraction for his audience ... not unlike Dallas authorities did when they launched the spin of the commie lone nut Oswald narrative ... the truth of events leading to January 6 and those who orchestrated the riot from ivory towers slips away with every passing day.
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6 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
Paul,
Personally, I would never label a "peaceful" protest as a terrorist act.
But, what occurred on Jan 6th was not a peaceful protest.
Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).
Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
And, if anyone believes it was peaceful, just watch/listen to 19 seconds of video.
If a person smashed the windows in my house trying to break in, I wouldn't necessarily think they were a terrorist, unless the intent was proven to be of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
But, I do have the right to defend my property/safety.
The hypocrisy flowing from the Fox mouthpieces is deafening.
Well said, both Paul and Chris, but there's an elephant in the room . . . the insurrectionists unlawfully stormed our - my, your, their — nation's capitol during proceedings to ensure the peaceful transfer of leadership as defined in OUR Constitution.
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41 minutes ago, Matthew Koch said:
Your narrative is breaking down now that your Stasi censorship has been lifted..
Matthew, the shaman stood at the House Speaker's podium and seized the gavel — knowing that the proceedings to ensure the peaceful transition of America's leadership had been disrupted by hoards of insurrectionists. Your narrative is Posobiec and Carlson's narrative. Consider carefully with whom you align yourself.
Funnny you mention the East German Stasi whose function was similar to Russia's KGB . . .
From Posibiec's book“In the Russian point of view, modern warfare is information warfare. These modern wars take place in the psychological space – as pressure is applied through communications, politics, economics, and technology – suppressing an adversary’s will to act. Essentially, they have shifted from a war in the physical environment to war inside the human consciousness.” – 2018, from the book 4D Warfare: A Doctrine for a New Generation of Politics
Posobiec on the imminent insurrection . . .
Posobiec told The Epoch Times that night that the gathering at the Capitol the next day would be “something that no one’s seen before.”
“[Jan. 6] will be something that no one’s seen before … I think it’s going to be absolutely historic, and really codify America’s history not only for this time but for years to come,” he said.
Posobiec on rejuvenation of European authoritarianism . . .
Posobiec has called himself “a proud member of #SlavRight.” #SlavRight is a hashtag that connotes the support of hard-right authoritarianism in Eastern Europe.Posobiec on his shared ideology with Aleksandr Dugin . . .
In the runup to #MacronLeaks, Posobiec hyped to his Twitter followers a 1997 book from the Russian neofascist Aleksandr Dugin. Dugin promotes a philosophy known as neo-Eurasianism, which is a political movement that envisions Russia as its own distinct civilizational entity that is between “Europe” and “Asia.” Dugin’s worldview blends Western fascist thought with more traditional Russian ultra-nationalism.
Posobiec promoted to his followers Dugin’s 1997 book, The Foundations of Geopolitics, a 600-page Russian-language tome that argues Russian security services should “introduce geopolitical disorder” in the United States by promoting sectarian and racial tensions.
A reminder for Matthew Koch, from the Postscript of Coup . . . In 2017 there was a resurgence of interest in [Julius] Evola's work, and President Donald Trump's advisor Steve Bannon and also "Putin's Rasputin,” Aleksandr Dugin should be cited among the thinkers of the Right who have been influenced by Evola.Julius Evola: Evola (1898–1974) was an Italian Philosopher, an advocate of an elitist, idealist variety of Fascism, or some might say National Socialistsm. Influenced by Plato, Nietzsche, Oswald Spengler, Evola espoused an anti-democratic and anti-Semitic return to semi-mystical forms of Medieval Chivalry. During the war Evola met Mussolini immediately after the latter was rescued by Skorzeny. He may also have met Skorzeny there, but this is unconfirmed. His vision inspired Count Valerio Borghese, who wrote an introduction to Evola's book Men Among the Ruins, and also international terrorist (still living today) Stefano Delle Chiaie.
. . . Eventually, ["The Black Prince"] Borghese [so admired by Angleton] was joined in his activities by the notorious terrorist and assassin Stefano Delle Chiaie [alive in early September 2019]. Says author Martin Lee in his ground-breaking work, The Beast Reawakens, “Borghese often spoke highly of the five-foot fascist phenom, referring to Delle Chiaie as ‘one of the few men capable of putting things in order in Italy.’” The reader encounters Delle Chiaie in depth later in the chapter, but for now it’s important to note that it was Delle Chiaie who accompanied the Black Prince when they fled Italy for Spain following the botched putsch known as Golph Borghese in December 1970, where they rendezvoused with Otto Skorzeny. According to Lee, “Delle Chiaie glorified violence as a hygienic outburst capable of cutting through the postwar bourgeois morass. During the 1960s, his organization, Avanguardia National Socialistonale (National Vanguard)* came to be regarded as the cudgel of Italian right-wing extremism. For guidance and inspiration, Delle Chiaie looked to Julius Evola, the reactionary intellectual who emerged as the gray eminence of postwar Italian fascism.”
. . . Prince Junio Valerio Borghese [admired by CIA CI James Angleton] was another highly esteemed member of this cadres of fascists. Said [Leon] Degrelle [leader of the Rexist Party] of Borghese, “he was a very impressive man,” and asserted, “the most important man of post-Fascist Italy.”This ideology — the same that inspired the Dallas plot to kill JFK — is driving the young and apparently highly impressionable Jack Posobiec who apparently is informing you, Matthew. Goebbels indeed.
*Vanguard America
Vanguard America is an American white supremacist, neo-National Socialist, neo-fascist organization. The organization is also a member of the Nationalist Front.[1][2] The group gained significant attention after it was revealed that James Alex Fields had marched with them at the Unite the Right rally before being arrested on murder charges.[3][4] The group has its roots in the alt-right movement.[5]
Patriot Front is an American white nationalist and neo-fascist hate group.[7] Part of the broader alt-rightmovement, the group split off from the neo-National Socialist organization Vanguard America in the aftermath of the Unite the Right rally in 2017.[1][8][9][10] Patriot Front's aesthetic combines traditional Americana with fascist symbolism.
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10][11] Marchers included members of the alt-right,[12] neo-Confederates,[13] neo-fascists,[14] white nationalists,[15] neo-National Socialists,[16] Klansmen,[17] and far-rightmilitias.[18]
The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right neo-fascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][9][10] It has been called a street gang[11][12] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada[13][14] and New Zealand.[8] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and their support for former U.S. President Donald Trump.[1][10]
Matthew, perhaps the exclusively male policy of Proud Boys is particularly attractive?
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38 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:
Yes! Nice work, Leslie, you're a friend of the truth. Always great to see a person do the right thing and act in good faith.
Like I said, I assume this manic episode by the MAGAs is because they just had one of their worst weeks ever.
And things will not be getting any better for them from here on out.
Thanks, Matt. I'm new to active participation on this forum and I get that flame throwing is disruptive, but appeasement just isn't in my Irish vocabulary. From what I've read from you, it's not in your lexicon either.
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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:
It looks like Leslie Sharp is countering the Firehose of Falsehoods from Mathew Koch and our Coalition of the Clueless with a Firehose of Facts about Trump's J6 coup attempt.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Mathew's cognitive dissonance to kick in, once he realizes that Tucker Carlson "hates Trump passionately."
Perhaps it already has, and Mathew is responding by repeatedly posting Tucker YouTube clips. 🙄
"Don't bring a knife to our gunfight!"
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
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Are you skeptical of what you see on those videos? Not Carlson's, but those presented during the hearing which I've linked here? Correct me if I'm wrong ... You argued there was no violence inside the Capitol. The videos say otherwise. You can't have it both ways.