Greg Parker

I am willing to -- and am in the process of doing it. The bare bones without going into the evidence. Oswald was a long-time cia asset who became the property of the fbi on return from Russia. What got him into "intelligence" was a program that will be revealed in the upcoming volume. This program both took him to the soviet union, and was the one used to get him into the TSBD. He was told he would be taking over from William Lowery in watching and informing on Joe Molina. Lowery had "outed" himself (and thus making him useless as an informant) in September. The real purpose of having him in there was to use as a potential patsy. There were three plans for assassination. The first at the 12:10 point in the motorcade was aborted for reasons I won't go into here. The second was the one that worked. If that too had been aborted, Molina's wife, who was set to be one of the women serving lunch at the trade mart, would have been given a poisoned steak for JFK. As soon as it became known she was the wife of a known local "subversive", they both would become scapegoats. The people who planned this had the means, motive and opportunity - as well as all the necessary connections. The framing of Oswald was based around real events from his past, but modified and brought forward to help incriminate him. It also drew heavily on known historical cases. Someone (and I am sure I know who), had access to information about Oswald's time in Misk and knew a lot about past communist cases. You can tear it down now, but I don't know how you'll justify that without knowing what evidence I have to support it all. The evidence will stand up. Also Paul... everything I have said here, I have said in the past. Maybe just not all in one post. "Oswald was a long-time cia asset who became the property of the fbi on return from Russia. What got him into "intelligence" was a program that will be revealed in the upcoming volume." http://www.ctka.net/2015/GregP2Excerpt.html

One of my favorite past-times at the moment is picking your threads from the title only. 100% accuracy so far, touch wood.

Placed in a bottle?

https://youtu.be/yBe8qAS2KXs

I think you guys might be taking Holmes's testimony a bit too literally, as if he reported what Oswald said with 100% accuracy. In his interrogation notes, Holmes says "....the policeman had him step aside momentarily . Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building." If that is also taken literally, Holmes has Oswald walking out the front door and not out the docking door, as Greg suggests. That's just one example. In his testimony, he states that after being asked to step aside he "just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." Holmes just has his chronology wrong. Oswald would not have been able to just wander out the door after being told to "step aside". He had gone out to check the noise just prior the arrival of the motorcade. In the 9 points I made, there is only one I would concede possibly never happened - Oswald being the person (or one of the people) asked by Baker for directions up. ----------- I have been thinking about this and studying the evidence of it for 15 years. Sean Murphy was not the first one - nor was I - to suggest Oswald was downstairs the whole time. But no one has come close to the work Sean or myself have put into this.

That's because it never happened. This was what Biffle overheard Truly telling Fritz. Truly was already dissembling [Truly was the "inside man" re setting Oswald up]. The true version was told by Campbell to a reporter from the New York Herald. Truly did not re-enter with Campbell. Campbell re-entered with Mrs. Reid. No Truly. No cop. Story quoting Campbell "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We saw Oswald in a small storage room on the ground floor." NY Herald Tribune, 11/23/63. I appreciate you guys trying to get your heads around this, but you're looking at a few stones in the shallow end of the rockpool. It's a big pool - plenty to look at. But you need to dive in.

Hi Greg When did Officer Welcome Barnett (bet he had to fight his way through school with a name like that - small wonder he became a cop) enter the TSBD? I'm a bit puzzled to notice that Holmes testified Oswald "told the officers", indicating the cop Oswald encountered was part of a group of cops. Why would Baker have no time to question anyone at the front door? If Truly vouched for Oswald at the front door, who went up the stairs with Baker? P.S. You do realize, I hope, that if Oswald did not arrive at the front door until the later group of cops entered, this makes it possible for Oswald to have been in the 2nd floor lunch room as Baker and Truly went by. The only fly in the ointment, though, is Truly vouching for Oswald when confronted by Welcome Barnett. IMO, whatever scenario you come up with, it has to take into account, not only that Oswald's name was at the top of Revill's list (indicating he was the first permitted to leave, you have to have a scenario that explains ( 1 ) the old address and ( 2 ) the name being the wrong way around. The only explanation I've ever seen given is that it all came from Col. Jones of the 112th MIG. But there is not any evidence for that. Not one bit. The scenario I outlined above however explains it all logically, neatly and cleanly without the need to invent anything. Here is Barnett's testimony on when he arrived: Mr. LIEBELER - How long do you think it was from the time the last shot was fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out? Mr. BARNETT - It was around 2 1/2 minutes. Maybe between 2 1/2 or 3 minutes. Mr. LIEBELER - From the time the last shot was fired until the time you were standing at that front door? Mr. BARNETT - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you let anybody out of the building after you got there? Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; until they were authorized. Mr. LIEBELER - Who was in a position to authorize people to come in and out? Mr. BARNETT - Well, of course, for sometime no one left except city, county, and Federal officers, and then after the people in the building were took into the small room there and questioned, they were brought to the door by a lieutenant, which I don't remember his name, but that was sometime after, and he brought them to the door and told us to let them out. Mr. LIEBELER - Now, it was possible that people could have left the building between the time the last shot was fired and the time you and officer Smith stationed yourself there? Mr. BARNETT - When I went to the door to get the name of the building, there were people going in and out then. Mr. LIEBELER - There were? Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think it was as quickly as 2 1/2 minutes from the time the last shot was fired until the time you got to the front door? Do you think it was that quick? Mr. BARNETT - I believe it was 2 1/2 minute probably from the time I ran from the back to the front. That was probably 2 1/2 minutes. Then it took me 20 or 30 seconds more before I got to the front there. Mr. LIEBELER - So you recollection is that it was fairly short order that you got to the front door? Mr. BARNETT - Three minutes at the most. As to your puzzlement over the plural... here is Barnett again "I was there until 3 o'clock, at the door there with one of the other officers, J.D. Smith. " Oswald allegedly left before Barnett arrived which raises some issues. Was Oswald psychic? How did he know there would be officerS guarding the front door? Then there is Pierce Allman whom Oswald seems to indicate came after his chat with the cops. If so, then Allman has flashed some type of credential to get in and again with Oswald (Oswald thought he was USSS). 1. Oswald has a chat about lunch with Piper. Piper can't recall whether Lee responded that he was going "out" or "up" and Piper further claims not to have noted which. The alleged interaction between Oswald and the 6th floor crew never happened. No one actually said they SAW Oswald at that time. I believe the conversation was with the one person we know WAS up there - Jack Dougherty. 2. Oswald does go "up" to the second floor for his coke and passes Mrs Reid on the way back down. If any words are exchanged at all, it is merely small talk - something Oswald can't process because of his Asperger Syndrome - and thus is considered rude because of his non-responsiveness throughout his life. 3. Oswald goes back down and is drawn outside because of the noise and assumes the PM position. No one notices because all eyes are on the street. 4. He then re-enters and is one the people Baker sees when he looks around asking for directions. 5. Oswald is in or near the small stock room when Campbell and Reid re-enter. 6. Oswald then attempts to leave but is stopped by Barnett and asked to step aside and questioned. He flashes his library card as ID. 7. Oswald is told he can leave by Truly or his side-kick Shelley. The rabbit has been let loose for the hounds. 8. Before leaving he gives Allman directions to the phone. 9. He leaves through the docking area which is only being very loosely watched. He may have left with Buell, with Buell dropping him at the TT.

For fwiw, Sean postulated that the only interaction Baker would have had with Oswald would have been that Oswald was one of the small group asked by Baker for directions - with Truly stepping in to volunteer as tour guide... and he could well be right.

Kudos for giving it some actual thought, Bob. Why I don't think this is a reference to Baker. See the bits highlighted: "and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Baker had no time for questioning anyone at the front door - and nor would he have asked anyone to step aside so he could get to him later. No. The cop here is Welcome Barnett. The questions asked would be name and address - at which time Oswald has flashed his library card upside down causing Barnett to transcribe it as "Harvey Lee Oswald" with the Elsbeth address - the only ID Lee had with that address on it. As you can see, looking at this upside down, you get "Harvey Lee Oswald" - same as Revill's list.

Greg, I just read the newspaper account of the first-floor cop-Oswald encounter, over on the Oswald Leaving TSBD thread. But I don't recall any report of Oswald saying the encounter with a cop occurred on the first floor. Can you quote that, or tell me where to find it? From Holmes' testimony. Holmes was the only interrogator in that room not trained in the Reid Interrogation Technique. Because of that, he is the most trust-worthy as far as the alibi goes. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then. Sandy, Please ask Greg what he means by "The Reid Interrogation Technique." I would myself, but I figure he's more likely to give you a straight answer. Thanks, --Tommy Tommy, I know you are bone lazy.... but even you can copy and paste the term into a search engine. If you have any interest in getting to the bottom of what was really going on in those interrogation sessions, why the cops spoke to the media and lied and how they developed their own scenarios, you'll look it up. If you're not that interested, don't bother. Or you can just wait awhile until I get around to posting it all for you...

Greg, I just read the newspaper account of the first-floor cop-Oswald encounter, over on the Oswald Leaving TSBD thread. But I don't recall any report of Oswald saying the encounter with a cop occurred on the first floor. Can you quote that, or tell me where to find it? From Holmes' testimony. Holmes was the only interrogator in that room not trained in the Reid Interrogation Technique. Because of that, he is the most trust-worthy as far as the alibi goes. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about." And he wouldn't tell what happened then.

What "hoaxers" would that be? His labels are are just more deceit in this little game of revenge he is playing.

The sophistry is all in your own clueless and evidence-free but bloated assertions. There is nothing more to address. What little substance there was in your last post was addressed. You have responded here with more bombast and false memory syndrome.

No need to exaggerate the figure, Tommy. It was as I stated, 268 variations.

I refer to the multitude of scientific papers done showing that earliest statements from witnesses are the best and most reliable. Tan Jacket Man is just your strawman and has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of any case for no 2nd floor encounter. Oswald's alibi was eating lunch in the domino room, going upstairs to grab a coke and then being drawn outside because of the noise. To say that this has no support in the record is the real hoax. From Fritz: Mr. Truly had told me that one of the police officers had stopped this man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in. Fritz is putting words in Oswald's dead mouth: Here is what he actually said as stated in the Hosty-Bookhout joint report: Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building. In short, he followed his normal routine of going up and buying a coke and coming back down to have it with his lunch IN THE DOMINO room. The purchase of the coke happened BEFORE the assassination - and that is when he was seen by Reid. What happened is not rocket science. Oswald gave his alibi and that evening panic set when the Altgens6 was published appearing to confirm that alibi. To counter it was a two-pronged effort - they had to hope and pray the photo actually showed Lovelady and then they had to get Oswald off the first floor/front steps area. Since Baker had already claimed in his affidavit to have had an encounter with an employee on the 3rd or 4th floor and Mrs Reid had seen Oswald on the second floor about to go back down with a coke, the answer seemed to be to combine those two events and make them flow one to the other. To do that, they brought Baker's encounter down to the 2nd floor lunchroom and claimed it was Oswald and they changed Reid's sighting from a pre-assassination one to a post assassination one. Voila! Mission accomplished! This was the whole reason for the confusion about the coke. If Mrs. Reid had really seen Oswald AFTER the assassination, she was a PRIME witness and according to the police, they made interviewing PRIME witnesses priorty that first day. Someone claiming to see Oswald BEFORE the assassination drinking a coke is not a PRIME witness and would be interviewed sometime in the following days. When was Mrs. Reid interviewed again? That's right! Nov 23! Same goes for Truly. Surely a major witness for the prime investigators - the DPD. His first interview however was with the FBI on the night of the 22nd - probably straight after they had established that Lovelady was Doorway Man. The 2nd floor lunch encounter is born during that interview. The next day, the DPD take Truly's statement, and he notes Reid's name for them as "corroboration". Ira Trantham? Just another Straw Man. Not a plank in this building at all. Maybe a bit of skirting board. No encounter with a cop on the fist floor? Oswald said there was, and a number of newspaper accounts agreed, citing A COP...

But Tommy - THEY proved they were lying by offering up 268* different versions of events. And the OFFICIALS knew they were lying because they recreated 268^ different versions of events to see which BS version would fly best. And only HALF of those 268 recreations included ANY encounter on the 2nd floor. * exaggerated for purposes of comedic emphasis only. Reality may vary. ^ exaggeration repeated for the sake of internal consistency.

Tommy, you're flogging a deceased mackerel within an inch of its nine lives. Settle down. The official story being referred to is the Sacred Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter. It never happened. The evidence shows it never happened. Nevertheless, Tommy's Law dictates that because (with a bit of scenario tweaking) it can be shown to be theoretically possible that it did happen by for instance, bringing Oswald up from the 1st, instead of down from the 6th, all of the evidence showing LHO had no such 2nd floor encounter can be totally ignored. That's the beauty of Tommy's Law. Evidence schmevidence. Who needs it? All you need is the official story and the will to keep massaging it to make it work in theory!

Or, Gilbride could be right when he says Oswald went up to the second floor via the stairs or the passenger elevator near the TSBD's front door, entered the lunchroom from the opposite direction than Baker and Truly kinda-almost did a few seconds or minutes later, and happened to be seen by Baker through the window in the vestibule's outer door. --Tommy This reminds me of all the made up police scenarios now coming to light through things like Innocence Project. The cops, DAs and assorted supporters continue to try and massage the scenario to get it to somehow work - forget about the fact that all the hidden evidence now uncovered show the lies - if it can work in theory, we're okay! [ -- Greg Parker, the Highly Intuitive Poet] Doesn't anyone else besides Parker have an opinion on what I wrote in green, above? I'd suggest you do some reading on Innocence Project case studies and maybe even watch Making a Murderer. In the meantime we'll name a new law in your honor; Tommy's Law - "If a provable lie by officials can be shown to be at least theoretically possible, it has met the minimum requirement for redemption, and the exculpatory evidence may be ignored".

Wow. Just wow. The impression I get from a wolf in sheep clothing... is a wolf in sheep clothing...

Or, Gilbride could be right when he says Oswald went up to the second floor via the stairs or the passenger elevator near the TSBD's front door, entered the lunchroom from the opposite direction than Baker and Truly kinda did a few seconds or minutes later, and happened to be seen by Baker through the window in the vestibule's outer door. --Tommy This reminds me of all the made up police scenarios now coming to light through things like Innocence Project. The cops, DAs and assorted supporters continue to try and massage the scenario to get it to somehow work - forget about the fact that all the hidden evidence now uncovered show the lies - if it can work in theory, we're okay!

Well, if so, there are two separate claims. One that it happened in Irving and one that it happened N. Beckley. It could have happened at Irving. It could not have happened at N. Beckley - not with LHO anyway. I'm just pointing out that the two stories have exactly the same elements - and that rings warning bells for me. Here is the N. Beckley version of the story as given by Ms Hall: Even though she was only a sixth-grader, Ms. Hall also remembers the tenant as a cordial man of few words, who would, however, occasionally play catch in the front yard with Ms. Hall's brothers. One afternoon, her brothers got into a fight with each other. A big one. Oswald rushed outside to break it up. "He went down and pulled them apart," says Ms. Hall. "He sat them on the front porch and sat down between them. And he said, 'I want to tell you something: You need to love each other and always take care of each other, and you don't fight each other.'" And then he said something that Ms. Hall and her family will never forget. With the boys at rapt attention, he said, "And don't ever do anything...that would harm another human being."

FB? Leave me out of that search. It had nothing to do with the Paines. Whoever wrote it on FB is misremembering. Here is the story. If it happened at N. Beckley and it was with Herbert Lee. Oswald never lived there. http://www.dallasnews.com/lifestyles/arts/columnists/michael-granberry/20060312-patricia-puckett-hall-remembers-lee-harvey-oswald-before-the-world-descended-on-her-grandmother-s-rooming-house.ece

Thanks Bill.

Great stuff, Bill. I think there could be some meat on those bones. One thing I need to point out though. The name registered at the YMCA on Oct 3 was "Lee Harvey Oswald" not "OH Lee". https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95957&relPageId=249&search=mcree The name written in the register of the Hotel Commercio was "Lee Harvey Oswald" - not "OH Lee" http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/8p348ex39.JPG There is a mark between the "Lee" and the "Harvey" which I believe Armstrong used to transform the name into "Lee, Harvey Oswald" which could be the long form of "HO Lee" but not "OH Lee". In any case I don't believe the mark is a comma but some type of clef mark above a letter in the name below Oswald's. Nor was the name "OH Lee" used at N. Beckley. Not by Oswald, not by anyone. "H Lee" was "Herbert (call me Leon) Lee". Herbert was in room O... thus when room number and name were written together, it said "O H Lee".