Bill Brown

For anyone interested, Matt Douthit decided to do what he calls a "fact check" on my Oak Cliff Time Trials article. https://www.facebook.com/matt.douthit.1/videos/2212410635774738/?idorvanity=403553303608257&notif_id=1720688003411336&notif_t=live_video_explicit&ref=notif You may have to be a member of Matt's facebook group to view the video.

Whaley dropped off Oswald three blocks south of the rooming house.

Perhaps make a legitimate case all in one post; beginning to end.

500 E. Jefferson was the location of the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company. L.J. Lewis called the police from there after hearing the shots. When you read the transcripts, you see that there was confusion over the correct address. One address given was 501 E. Tenth (Mary Wright's address, she called the police immediately after hearing the shots). I'm interested in your claim, regarding law enforcement personnel gathering around the area of the library ahead of time. Care to elaborate further? Make a case for it.

It's interesting and telling that you feel McBride has to be defended for his comment.

Beginning at the 25:15 mark... "And then even Tippit's gun was taken away from the scene. There was a witness who was kind of out of control, a former Marine named Ted Callaway, who took Tippit's gun which he [Tippit] fell on top of when he [Tippit] got shot.... So Tippit's gun could have been swapped out for another gun too and that's important because if he shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll maybe they didn't want the actual gun to be anywhere near the evidence at that point." Is McBride really saying that anyone, Tippit or otherwise, would be using a service revolver in an attempt to shoot the President from roughly one hundred feet away? @Joseph McBride https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pivIGJXjxg&t=1472s

Nothing else in the car is thrusted a tad forward except for the President's head. A bullet striking the head from the right front will NOT toss the body hard back and to the left. You're acting like Kennedy was struck with a baseball bat.

Fact: A bullet fired from the right front and striking the head will NOT cause the body to be pushed violently back and to the left.

500 E. Jefferson was the location of the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company. L.J. Lewis called the police from there after hearing the shots. When you read the transcripts, you see that there was confusion over the correct address. One address given was 501 E. Tenth (Mary Wright's address, she called the police immediately after hearing the shots).

I believe Oswald removed the spent shell casings from his revolver as he was making his way to the corner of Tenth and Patton in order to have a fully loaded revolver in case another cop was around the corner. Remember, Dallas Sheriff's Deputy Unit #109 reported that he was very nearby once news of the Tippit shooting went out over the police airwaves. If 109 was nearby AFTERWARDS, he could have been there shortly before. Point being, I believe Oswald saw 109, reversed direction and soon afterwards encountered Tippit. These two "encounters" (if you will) would definitely give Oswald concern to proceed further without a loaded weapon. If you're Oswald, once you've seen two patrol cars in a matter of two minutes, you'll want to be sure your weapon is fully loaded before turning the next corner.

So then you do believe that Tippit's body was lying in the street for as much as nine minutes before anyone called the police.

You're not making any sense. No one has said that Bowley handed off the mic to Callaway. This is a figment of your overactive imagination and it is not required (at all) in the scenario I've laid out in the OP. It appears that you don't wish to discuss the case in an honest manner. The police tapes tell you that Markham was NOT approaching the corner at 1:06.

You're trying to have the best of both worlds. Either Bowley's call was at 1:16 and Callaway two and a half minutes later at 1:19... Or... Bowley's call was at 1:17 and Callaway's was two and a half minutes later at 1:19/1:20. Neither scenario has Bowley handing the mic to Callaway. Let me explain it to you this way (so you don't go on insisting that you're correct while being grossly incorrect like you have done before)... If Bowley's call was at 1:17:41, then Callaway's was not at 1:18. Your mistake is in believing that the two reports (Bowley's and then Callaway's) were one minute apart. They weren't.

"I'm interested in the evidence. The Dallas Police produced call sheets for every phone call received. They were cards that were stamped by a timeclock. ( 13 H 91-92 ) Why did the Commission fail to produce the Dallas Police call sheets for the phone calls made by Mary Wright and someone at Ted Callaway's car lot ? In all the confusion, both their addresses were broadcast as locations for the shooting, ( 501 E Tenth and 501 East Jefferson ) proof that those calls were received." If you're really interested in the evidence, then why not learn it? The "someone" you're referring to who called the police was L.J. Lewis and he certainly was NOT at Callaway's car lot. Lewis was across the street from Callaway's lot at the Johnny Reynolds Motor Company (as was Warren Reynolds, Pat Patterson and Harold Russell). By the way, since I have your attention, if you're interested in the evidence as you claim, then please support your (mistaken) statement that William Scoggins didn't see the killer's face because he (Scoggins) was lying in the street. Or... you could simply admit that you said something stupid.

"Gil I understand your point but there is another way to look at this. The fact is there was no “1:15” bus yet that is what Helen Markham said. “1:15” could be the time Helen had in mind she should be there, in time for the 1:22 actual bus time. Since the time she gave is not any actual bus time, either she was mistaken (which could agree with either 1:12 or 1:22 actual bus times) or she had in mind a time she needed to be there (which would be for the 1:22, not the 1:12)." Bingo! We have a winner.

Ted Callaway testified that after hearing the five gun shots, he ran out to the sidewalk on Patton. This was a little over a half block south of the shooting scene. Callaway saw a man (who he later identified as Oswald) cutting across Patton as he (Oswald) made his way south on Patton (towards Callaway's position). Callaway hollered out to the man as the man continued south on Patton past Callaway's position. Callaway testified that the man was running and holding a gun. Callaway saw the man head west on Jefferson (the same direction as the theater). Once the man turned west onto Jefferson, Callaway ran a "good hard run" up to the corner of Tenth and Patton. Callaway, noticing the stopped patrol car, went to the car and saw the officer (Tippit) lying dead in the street. Callaway said the first thing he did was to grab the police car radio and report the shooting. He said he didn't know if anyone had reported it yet, so he decided to report it himself. To recap, Callaway hears the shots. Runs to the sidewalk. Sees the gunman run south on Patton the entire block from Tenth to Jefferson. Runs the two-thirds of a block up to the shooting scene. Goes over to the police car and the first thing he does is grab the radio and report the shooting to the police dispatcher. How much time do you believe passed from the time Callaway heard the shots to the time he reported the shooting on the police radio? Let's say two minutes pass from the time Oswald shoots Tippit to the time Oswald turns the corner from Patton onto Jefferson. This is a little over one block and Oswald was running. Let's say it takes Callaway one minute when he made the "good hard run" the two-thirds of a block from his location to the patrol car. If these two time estimates are anywhere close to being correct, then Callaway is at the patrol car roughly three minutes after the shots rang out. Let's add another full minute for error. So we have Callaway at the patrol car using the police radio about four minutes after the shots rang out. Here's the thing... Callaway's report to the dispatcher while using the patrol car radio took place at 1:19/1:20. Do the math and work it backwards. At 1:19/1:20, Callaway makes the call. If four minutes have passed (and that's being generous, in my opinion) since the shots rang out, then the shots rang out around 1:15.

"Consider this: Helen Markham was on her way to catch her "1:15 bus" that was scheduled to arrive at the corner of East Jefferson and Patton Ave. at 1:12 pm." Nonsense. There was a 1:12 bus and there was also a 1:22 bus. You have no idea which bus she was going to be boarding. "If this murder occurred at 1:17 or 1:18 pm as Mr. Brown suggests, then Helen Markham never saw it. Because she had already caught her bus and was on her way to work." I have never claimed that the Tippit murder occurred as late as 1:17 or 1:18.

Markham's "evidence" that the shooting occurred at 1:06? If you want to argue that the dispatch time stamps given all throughput the police tapes are off by as much as a minute (or even a minute and a half), then go ahead. But, in order to believe Markham was standing at that corner at 1:06, you must accept that the police tapes are off by about nine minutes. That's foolish. Are you foolish?

Anyone who knows anything about the case should have trouble "buying" Into The Nightmare.

You're making the common mistake of trying to rationalize the acts and thoughts of a very irrational man.

Oswald's motive for assassinating President Kennedy was the same as he had for shooting at General Walker; Marxism and Cuba. Oswald wanted the United States Government to keep it's hands off of Cuba. Oswald told Capt. Will Fritz that he was a Marxist, that he belonged to the Fair Play For Cuba organization and that he was in favor of Fidel Castro's revolution. Before the revolution, Castro, with his Marxist beliefs, condemned social and economic inequality in Cuba. He adopted the Marxist view that meaningful political change could only be brought about by proletariat revolution. While Castro was imprisoned for the failed attack on the Moncada Barracks in Cuba, his wife took employment with the Ministry of the Interior. Castro was enraged and insulted. His Marxist beliefs were so strong that filed for divorce. Mirta (Castro's wife) took custody of their son Fidelito. The thought of his son growing up in a bourgeois environment further enraged Castro. Oswald agreed strongly with the Marxist beliefs of Castro. During the revolution, the U.S. Government feared that Castro was a socialist. In early January of 1959, Batista was overthrown by the rebels and he fled. The revolution was a crucial turning point in relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Originally, the U.S. government was willing to recognize Castro's new government. However, the U.S. government would eventually fear that Communist insurgencies would spread through Latin America, as they had in Southeast Asia. On March 5, 1963, Major General Edwin Walker gave a speech where he called on the White House to "liquidate the (communist) scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba." Walker was obviously referring to Fidel Castro. Oswald ordered his rifle seven days later. Captain Fritz told the Warren Commission: "I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that."

Oswald's guilt in the murder of J.D. Tippit is unquestionable. Just because some question the evidence does not automatically make the evidence questionable. Four shell casings were found at the scene. @Johnny Cairns, I have a question for you. In your opinion, were they automatic shells or were they from a .38 revolver?

Moderating this forum should have nothing to do with political beliefs.

I see that you finally did admit that you were wrong but only after first digging in for some time and arguing that you were right. Go to the proper thread and bump whatever it is that you feel needs to be addressed.

Thanks Greg. I appreciate it. My opinion is that Oswald did not change clothes at the rooming house. Microscopic fibers were found in a crevice between the metal butt plate and the wooden stock of the rifle which were a match to test fibers removed from Oswald's arrest shirt. Also, Mary Bledsoe says she saw Oswald on the bus and remembered the hole in the elbow of the shirt Oswald was wearing. Oswald's arrest shirt, in addition to it's fibers matching fibers found on the rifle, had a hole in the right sleeve at the elbow. As for Oswald standing at the bus stop and my interpretation of it, I don't really have one, other than for some reason, he stood there momentarily. I feel Oswald was in and out of the rooming house in less than a minute. Roberts, once she wasn't using a figure of speech, stated that Oswald was back in his room just long enough to grab a jacket. Grabbing his jacket and revolver is something that he could have done in 15 seconds. You stated that Oswald was wearing the same shirt for two days. Do you know for sure that he didn't have clothes at the Paine house in Marina's room? Surely he did. I start my timeline at 12:59 from the bus stop. Oswald could have arrived at the rooming house, went back to his room, grab his jacket and revolver (including bullets), leave the rooming house and be seen standing at the bus stop outside the house by 12:59. In fact, I believe this to be the case. The main purpose of the article is the timeline of Oswald's movements once he reached Tenth and Patton, combined with the reason for them. Regarding Oswald's available money that he had on him, you should know that it was just enough to get him to Mexico, for what it's worth. Having addressed (hopefully) all of that, more than anything, I wanted to figure out just how long Oswald hid out in the alleys between the Texaco station and Zang Boulevard. What I came up with is that he hid out (either at once or over various breaks) for nine minutes. Secondly, I wanted to match the Oswald timeline to the alley behind the Texaco with the Burt/Smith timeline from their front yard to the alley's entrance halfway down Patton. It matches.