Richard J. Smith Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer 1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes in JFK's clothes. Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN. He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate. Go Fonzi! Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer 1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes in JFK's clothes. Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN. He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate. Go Fonzi! Go! The clothing evidence and the body itself. Even the post mortem plastic surgery couldn't obliterate the fact of the back and neck wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer 1600 pages and Bugliosi never attempts to reconcile the Single Bullet Theory with the location of the bullet holes in JFK's clothes. Fonzi knows that the clothing evidence is the Achilles Heel of the LN. He'd destroy Bugliosi in any debate. Go Fonzi! Go! The clothing evidence and the body itself. Even the post mortem plastic surgery couldn't obliterate the fact of the back and neck wounds. And the body itself. Thank you, Myra. I find the case simple to trace. Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operatives of varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. IOW, the biggest mystery left this case -- even bigger than the names of the shooters -- is why we should continue to regard the JFK assassination as a mystery at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Flag set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...piracy_Believer Good one, Gaeton. Now, if we can get everyone to respond to Bugliosi's bs, maybe we can get a few media types to take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) You have missed it Carl E. Jenkins, Chi Chi Quintero and Irving Davidson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes):-LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) You have missed it Carl E. Jenkins, Chi Chi Quintero and Irving Davidson. Thanks John. Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Drago Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 And let's not lose sight of the fact that some of this site's most ... well ... gifted correspondents would add the names John and Robert Kennedy to the list. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks John.Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed? My list of those involved in the plot would include the following: David Sanchez Morales Rip Robertison Ted Shackley Carl E. Jenkins Chi Chi Quintero Herminio Diaz Garcia Tony Cuesta Irving Davidson John Martino William Pawley Bernardo De Torres Eladio del Valle Steve Wilson David Atlee Phillips Felipe Vidal Santiago Robert Emmett Johnson Gerry P. Hemming Henry Hecksher Roy Hargraves Tony Cuesta Ed Collins Ted Shackley Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming). I have biographies of them all here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary Loughran Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks John.Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed? My list of those involved in the plot would include the following: David Sanchez Morales Rip Robertison Ted Shackley Carl E. Jenkins Chi Chi Quintero Herminio Diaz Garcia Tony Cuesta Irving Davidson John Martino William Pawley Bernardo De Torres Eladio del Valle Steve Wilson David Atlee Phillips Felipe Vidal Santiago Robert Emmett Johnson Gerry P. Hemming Henry Hecksher Roy Hargraves Tony Cuesta Ed Collins Ted Shackley Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming). I have biographies of them all here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm Ted Shackley, so bad you named him twice Rosselli, Trafficante, Izquierdo, Tony Po??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks John.Are those names are in addition to the ones I listed, or instead of the ones I listed? My list of those involved in the plot would include the following: David Sanchez Morales Rip Robertison Ted Shackley Carl E. Jenkins Chi Chi Quintero Herminio Diaz Garcia Tony Cuesta Irving Davidson John Martino William Pawley Bernardo De Torres Eladio del Valle Steve Wilson David Atlee Phillips Felipe Vidal Santiago Robert Emmett Johnson Gerry P. Hemming Henry Hecksher Roy Hargraves Tony Cuesta Ed Collins Ted Shackley Some of these people only had small roles such as moving weapons and money to the right people. Three of these men are still alive (Jenkins, Davidson and Hemming). I have biographies of them all here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm Thanks John. Some of the names are new to me so I need to read up. I do think the plot was wider than just the CIA/mob, so I'm also focusing on the right wing nutter faction and the pentagon--much overlap there of course. And the Dallas police, secret service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 ...Rosselli... Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Bobby Kennedy knew who killed his brother -- a clique of operativesof varying backgrounds whose desire for the US to take over Cuba lead them to happily kill Jack. Some of those guys made death-bed/drunken confessions to close friends or family members. I think the case is resolved to 95% (reasonable conclusion, but not 100%). I find this resolution in the following: THE LAST INVESTIGATION, by Gaeton Fonzi BREACH OF TRUST, by Gerald McKnight SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED by Larry Hancock BROTHERS, by David Talbot Add the following links (keyword: Lansdale) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html http://www.ratical.org///ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/g..._CIA_Agent.html A partial list of perps for both murder & cover up (very incomplete but I believe it's accurate as far as it goes): -LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON -J. EDGAR HOOVER -WILLIAM K. HARVEY -DAVID ATLEE PHILLIPS -DAVID MORALES -E. HOWARD HUNT -FRANK STURGIS -GERRY P. HEMMING -ED LANDSDALE -EDWIN ANDERSON WALKER -GENERAL CURTIS LEMAY -JOSEPH MILTEER -HL HUNT -NELSON BUNKER HUNT -BOBBY BAKER -JACK RUBY -DAVID FERRIE -CLAY SHAW -GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH -EMERY ROBERTS -JOHNNY ROSELLI -JIMMY HOFFA -RAY HARGRAVES -PENTAGON -CIA/MOB/EXTREMIST ANTI-CASTRO CUBAN EXILES -FBI -DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT -JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY -SECRET SERVICE Possible perps: -Clint Murchison -Richard Nixon -John Rousselot -J.D. Tippit -Roscoe White -Cord Meyer -James Angleton -William Pawley -John McCloy -Allen Dulles -Earle Cabell -SA Kellerman -SA Greer -Lamar Hunt -Jesse Curry -Bill Decker -Carlos Marcello -Charles Nicoletti -Sam Giancana -Eugene Hale Brading -Ted Shackley -Lucien E. Conein -Alfredo Duran -Rip Robertson -John O'Hare -Danny Arce -Boris Pash -Orlando Bosch (I need to reread Larry's book; I'm spacing on some names.) ...The JFK assassination (I'm 95% certain) was a failed false flag attack designed to establish a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba. A lot of individual agendas were fulfilled on 11/22/63, but the primary objective -- convincingly pinning Oswald to Castro -- failed when the patsy was captured alive. How come they couldn't go ahead and blame Cuba & invade after Ruby killed Oswald? Using a mobster to silence the innocence-proclaiming patsy put a gaping hole in the frame job. A memo from then-CJCS Lemnitzer in Feb. '62 establishes the critera the super-hawks needed to meet for framing a successful pre-text to invade Cuba. This is in reference to Operation Dirty Tricks, a contingency plan developed by the Joint Chiefs to take advantage of John Glenn's 1962 flight should it have exploded. The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURYmanned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic]....This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans. Operation Dirty Tricks came and went, so the Chiefs liked the idea of mounting a false flag attack on Americans on American soil (Operation Northwoods) -- and there had to be "irrevocable proof" that the fault lay at the feet of Castro. Had Oswald been shot the early afternoon of 11/22/63, he could have been readily presented to the world as a Castro agent. The FBI, the CIA, and military intel had the frame set. Oswald in Russia, Cuba, Soviet and Cuban Embassies in Mexico City. According to one account, Carlo Gambino blamed the CIA for 'Screwing up the Cuba thing. Screwing up the Kennedy thing." I'd take that to mean the CIA had the ultimate responsibility to see the frame through with Oswald's early demise -- and something went awry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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