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Now that is really absurd. One of the MOST CHALLENGED "facts" is

the location of the "back/neck/T3/SBT" wound. How can you say

that is a correct "fact".?

Jack

Challenged by what?

Contradictory, improperly taken and recorded autopsy measurements?

An autopsy photo of such poor quality and questionable authenticity

that the HSCA speculated that the burden of proof of authentication

lay with those would put it into evidence?

The claim that, (1) since clothing moves, (2) therefore, JFK's shirt and

jacket elevated 2" to 3" in tandem -- in spite of the fact that the "tightly

tailored" shirt only had a fraction of an inch of available slack, and the

motorcade photos show the jacket dropping from Main St. to Betzner #3

at Z186.

The talking points of the JFK cover-up are thus readily stripped away.

That John F. Kennedy was shot in the back about the level of his

third thoracic vertebra (as per the overwhelming preponderance

of contemporaneous evidence) is a readily established historical FACT.

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Now that is really absurd. One of the MOST CHALLENGED "facts" is

the location of the "back/neck/T3/SBT" wound. How can you say

that is a correct "fact".?

Jack

Challenged by what?

Contradictory, improperly taken and recorded autopsy measurements?

An autopsy photo of such poor quality and questionable authenticity

that the HSCA speculated that the burden of proof of authentication

lay with those would put it into evidence?

The claim that, (1) since clothing moves, (2) therefore, JFK's shirt and

jacket elevated 2" to 3" in tandem -- in spite of the fact that the "tightly

tailored" shirt only had a fraction of an inch of available slack, and the

motorcade photos show the jacket dropping from Main St. to Betzner #3

at Z186.

The talking points of the JFK cover-up are thus readily stripped away.

That John F. Kennedy was shot in the back about the level of his

third thoracic vertebra (as per the overwhelming preponderance

of contemporaneous evidence) is a readily established historical FACT.

Clearly you misunderstood me. I spoke of the ONLY FACTS ABOUT

WHICH NOBODY DISAGREES...I mean EVERYONE.

Clearly there are many believers in the SBT. None of them believe

that your statements are FACTS.

On the other hand, there is a difference between perception and

reality. Reality, truth, facts are synonymous. But some people do

not accept reality, truth and facts, but rely on twisted logic and

misplaced loyalties and see UNTRUTHS AS TRUTH.

You and I believe what you have described as fact is true. But

not everyone believes that. But NOBODY denies that JKF was

killed on 11-22 on Elm Street by a bullet to the head. Even LNs

admit that is true! Reread my posting; that is all I said, and it

is unarguable.

Jack

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Now that is really absurd. One of the MOST CHALLENGED "facts" is

the location of the "back/neck/T3/SBT" wound. How can you say

that is a correct "fact".?

Jack

Challenged by what?

Contradictory, improperly taken and recorded autopsy measurements?

An autopsy photo of such poor quality and questionable authenticity

that the HSCA speculated that the burden of proof of authentication

lay with those would put it into evidence?

The claim that, (1) since clothing moves, (2) therefore, JFK's shirt and

jacket elevated 2" to 3" in tandem -- in spite of the fact that the "tightly

tailored" shirt only had a fraction of an inch of available slack, and the

motorcade photos show the jacket dropping from Main St. to Betzner #3

at Z186.

The talking points of the JFK cover-up are thus readily stripped away.

That John F. Kennedy was shot in the back about the level of his

third thoracic vertebra (as per the overwhelming preponderance

of contemporaneous evidence) is a readily established historical FACT.

Clearly you misunderstood me. I spoke of the ONLY FACTS ABOUT

WHICH NOBODY DISAGREES...I mean EVERYONE.

Clearly there are many believers in the SBT. None of them believe

that your statements are FACTS.

On the other hand, there is a difference between perception and

reality. Reality, truth, facts are synonymous. But some people do

not accept reality, truth and facts, but rely on twisted logic and

misplaced loyalties and see UNTRUTHS AS TRUTH.

You and I believe what you have described as fact is true. But

not everyone believes that. But NOBODY denies that JKF was

killed on 11-22 on Elm Street by a bullet to the head. Even LNs

admit that is true! Reread my posting; that is all I said, and it

is unarguable.

Jack

That being the case, I'll stop arguing... :stupid

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Jack,

You really have to 'work' on the image!

Use Photoshop or something equivalent to experiment with

the brightness and contrast. It is a big file

for a relatively small area of the

Moorman image so there is a lot of scope for in depth

analysis.

Use your renowned photographic expertise to get the

best out of the image.

I am assuming that you did experiment with the brightness/contrast etc.,etc.,Jack?

Remember not to change the file or convert it to any other

format or you will lose detail and resolution.

Use 'save as' to save your results.

Keep the original file.

Download this 300k high megapixel of the Moorman

showing the area you are interested in.

Put it in your Graphic software and tweak

the brightness/contrast controls to bring out hidden detail.

Of course we all know about your excellent

groundbreaking work with Gary Mack on the original Moorman.

How is Gary these days,anyway?

He sends me the occasional PM and has been very helpful.

Give him my regards.

Maybe Gary could give you some pointers?

Question for EBC & Duncan, please:

Does the size of this head, if it is such, tally with perspective requirements, in your opinion?

Miles,

Duncan's shooter's head conforms and complies

with the laws of perspective. Beware of these

so-called armchair experts on this forum

who will attempt to blind you with their

bogus science.

These individuals are not even armchair experts.

I would classify them as stool experts.

We have the misfortune in this

illustrious forum to have more than our

fair share of charlatans,nutters,conmen and twisters.

Some of the biggest 'stool experts' on the JFK

assassination frequent this site.

Be on the lookout for them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

All the best, Miles.

Eugene

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Jack,

You really have to 'work' on the image!

Use Photoshop or something equivalent to experiment with

the brightness and contrast. It is a big file

for a relatively small area of the

Moorman image so there is a lot of scope for in depth

analysis.

Use your renowned photographic expertise to get the

best out of the image.

I am assuming that you did experiment with the brightness/contrast etc.,etc.,Jack?

Remember not to change the file or convert it to any other

format or you will lose detail and resolution.

Use 'save as' to save your results.

Keep the original file.

Download this 300k high megapixel of the Moorman

showing the area you are interested in.

Put it in your Graphic software and tweak

the brightness/contrast controls to bring out hidden detail.

Of course we all know about your excellent

groundbreaking work with Gary Mack on the original Moorman.

How is Gary these days,anyway?

He sends me the occasional PM and has been very helpful.

Give him my regards.

Maybe Gary could give you some pointers?

Question for EBC & Duncan, please:

Does the size of this head, if it is such, tally with perspective requirements, in your opinion?

Miles,

Duncan's shooter's head conforms and complies

with the laws of perspective. Beware of these

so-called armchair experts on this forum

who will attempt to blind you with their

bogus science.

These individuals are not even armchair experts.

I would classify them as stool experts.

We have the misfortune in this

illustrious forum to have more than our

fair share of charlatans,nutters,conmen and twisters.

Some of the biggest 'stool experts' on the JFK

assassination frequent this site.

Be on the lookout for them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

All the best, Miles.

Eugene

All of my photowork with Badgeman was in a darkroom.

I no longer have access to a darkroom. I feel there is

nothing more to accomplish with the image on the

computer.

I have not been in communication with Gary Mack for

many years.

Jack

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Miles,

Duncan's shooter's head conforms and complies

with the laws of perspective. Beware of these

so-called armchair experts on this forum

who will attempt to blind you with their

bogus science.

These individuals are not even armchair experts.

I would classify them as stool experts.

We have the misfortune in this

illustrious forum to have more than our

fair share of charlatans,nutters,conmen and twisters.

Some of the biggest 'stool experts' on the JFK

assassination frequent this site.

Be on the lookout for them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

All the best, Miles.

Eugene

"By their fruits ye shall know them" is quite an appropriate line for this matter. It has been pointed that you are using a poor quality print to work with and it is a fact that once information is lost from a copy print - then it cannot be reclaimed from that particular photo source no matter how high the resolution of the scan was set for. All that is accomplished is a blown-up view of a fuzzy photo. The area that Duncan said is "washed out" is a mistake on his part. He and the rest of you have been invited to contact those who have either seen the original or best prints so to see for yourselves that between the top of the fence to the underside of the tree foliage is nothing but the Dallas sky .... which means that what you think is an assassin has no lower body under his alleged torso. To date no one has said that they have followed up on this additional information that was presented early on in this topic. And other than just saying that one believes the alleged floating torso to be in perspective - nothing addressing this alleged figure has really been demonstrated to show why the image is scaled properly to conform to the laws of perspective. The Holland interview showing Sam's head next to the fence slats and the width of a single fence slat was also offered as proof that the alleged Duncan head is not scaled correctly to conform to the laws of perspective and yet I have not seen where that information has even been considered before just merely saying that the size of the alleged head looks correct to some of you. Yes - by their fruits ye shall know them! So other than just offering a conclusion ... is it possible to follow up on the evidence presented against its accuracy and maybe address it with actual data rather than to merely rely on a belief system?

Jack was right about working on these images photographically. Groden had said the same thing to me in the past. Groden believes that this is why the prints Jack and Gary used were superior to those latter computer images of Moorman's photo that researchers are using at the current time.

Bill Miller

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Jack,

You really have to 'work' on the image!

Use Photoshop or something equivalent to experiment with

the brightness and contrast. It is a big file

for a relatively small area of the

Moorman image so there is a lot of scope for in depth

analysis.

Use your renowned photographic expertise to get the

best out of the image.

I am assuming that you did experiment with the brightness/contrast etc.,etc.,Jack?

Remember not to change the file or convert it to any other

format or you will lose detail and resolution.

Use 'save as' to save your results.

Keep the original file.

Download this 300k high megapixel of the Moorman

showing the area you are interested in.

Put it in your Graphic software and tweak

the brightness/contrast controls to bring out hidden detail.

Of course we all know about your excellent

groundbreaking work with Gary Mack on the original Moorman.

How is Gary these days,anyway?

He sends me the occasional PM and has been very helpful.

Give him my regards.

Maybe Gary could give you some pointers?

Question for EBC & Duncan, please:

Does the size of this head, if it is such, tally with perspective requirements, in your opinion?

Miles,

Duncan's shooter's head conforms and complies

with the laws of perspective. Beware of these

so-called armchair experts on this forum

who will attempt to blind you with their

bogus science.

These individuals are not even armchair experts.

I would classify them as stool experts.

We have the misfortune in this

illustrious forum to have more than our

fair share of charlatans,nutters,conmen and twisters.

Some of the biggest 'stool experts' on the JFK

assassination frequent this site.

Be on the lookout for them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

All the best, Miles.

Eugene

Seeking a response from:

Eugene,

Thx for your images. Much appreciated & saved immediately. (A side note: I'm not replying

to Miller's posts which are efforts to pick quarrels. And I requested of Miller not to reply to my

posts nor to quote from my posts. This is done to reduce conflict. This is done in compliance

with Mr. Simkin's stated desire that members endeavor to maintain high standards of scholarly

comportment at all times with a view toward the Forum's good reputation. I hope Miller will

respect my requests. Eugene, if I may, I recommend this policy. Your call, of course.)

Would you (or Duncan or Jack) take a quick glance at this, please?

FENCEHatMan2.jpg

Is either one of these circles the locus for Hatman (aka, midget man)? Which?

Just as an aside, I was wondering about forehead slope, etc.; mere speculation:

FENCEblowupMANarrows.jpgsarti.jpg3JamesFilesCrop.jpg

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Thx for your images. Much appreciated & saved immediately. (A side note: I'm not replying

to Miller's posts which are efforts to pick quarrels. And I requested of Miller not to reply to my

posts nor to quote from my posts. This is done to reduce conflict. This is done in compliance

with Mr. Simkin's stated desire that members endeavor to maintain high standards of scholarly

comportment at all times with a view toward the Forum's good reputation. I hope Miller will

respect my requests. Eugene, if I may, I recommend this policy. Your call, of course.)

How subtle. Is there not a JFK related point to make? (maybe as I read on)

Is either one of these circles the locus for Hatman (aka, midget man)? Which?

Just as an aside, I was wondering about forehead slope, etc.; mere speculation:

"Is either one of these circles the locus for Hatman" ??? In any event I am posting a sharp image of the Hat Man location. I think you'll find that the fence is blocking out where the face would be and only what looks like the top of a 'fedora' hat can be seen over the fence from Moorman's upward angle to the top of the knoll.

Bill Miller

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Jack,

You really have to 'work' on the image!

Use Photoshop or something equivalent to experiment with

the brightness and contrast. It is a big file

for a relatively small area of the

Moorman image so there is a lot of scope for in depth

analysis.

Use your renowned photographic expertise to get the

best out of the image.

I am assuming that you did experiment with the brightness/contrast etc.,etc.,Jack?

Remember not to change the file or convert it to any other

format or you will lose detail and resolution.

Use 'save as' to save your results.

Keep the original file.

Download this 300k high megapixel of the Moorman

showing the area you are interested in.

Put it in your Graphic software and tweak

the brightness/contrast controls to bring out hidden detail.

Of course we all know about your excellent

groundbreaking work with Gary Mack on the original Moorman.

How is Gary these days,anyway?

He sends me the occasional PM and has been very helpful.

Give him my regards.

Maybe Gary could give you some pointers?

Question for EBC & Duncan, please:

Does the size of this head, if it is such, tally with perspective requirements, in your opinion?

Miles,

Duncan's shooter's head conforms and complies

with the laws of perspective. Beware of these

so-called armchair experts on this forum

who will attempt to blind you with their

bogus science.

These individuals are not even armchair experts.

I would classify them as stool experts.

We have the misfortune in this

illustrious forum to have more than our

fair share of charlatans,nutters,conmen and twisters.

Some of the biggest 'stool experts' on the JFK

assassination frequent this site.

Be on the lookout for them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

All the best, Miles.

Eugene

Seeking a response from:

Eugene,

Thx for your images. Much appreciated & saved immediately. (A side note: I'm not replying

to Miller's posts which are efforts to pick quarrels. And I requested of Miller not to reply to my

posts nor to quote from my posts. This is done to reduce conflict. This is done in compliance

with Mr. Simkin's stated desire that members endeavor to maintain high standards of scholarly

comportment at all times with a view toward the Forum's good reputation. I hope Miller will

respect my requests. Eugene, if I may, I recommend this policy. Your call, of course.)

Would you (or Duncan or Jack) take a quick glance at this, please?

FENCEHatMan2.jpg

Is either one of these circles the locus for Hatman (aka, midget man)? Which?

Just as an aside, I was wondering about forehead slope, etc.; mere speculation:

FENCEblowupMANarrows.jpgsarti.jpg3JamesFilesCrop.jpg

The image you are using is of such poor quality NOTHING is discernable.

I have high quality enlargements of this area (if this is Moorman) which show

nothing similar to your image.

My sharp enlargement shows what is "possibly" (but not certainly) a man

wearing glasses who has just fired a pistol, and a white puff of smoke

obscures part of the tree trunk. If I could post images from this computer,

I would show you.

Jack

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The image you are using is of such poor quality NOTHING is discernable.

I have high quality enlargements of this area (if this is Moorman) which show

nothing similar to your image.

My sharp enlargement shows what is "possibly" (but not certainly) a man

wearing glasses who has just fired a pistol, and a white puff of smoke

obscures part of the tree trunk. If I could post images from this computer,

I would show you.

Jack

Jack,

Many thanks for this information & for your willingness to help out here.

Most lamentable that you have forum posting issues. What a loss! Wonder what can be

wrong? Are Robin, Chris, Lee, or Bernice aware of this problem? I ask them.

If you care to do so, I can try to PM you my e-mail address. Is your PM in-box full?

(It was a month or two ago, did you know?) Or you could PM me yours.

If you e-mail attach the images to me, I could post them to the forum via photobucket

which has limited resolution I believe. Failing putting them up on the forum, I would

certainly like to see them via my viewer & rendering programs. Can do?

I wonder if Bernie can assist?

Miles

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The image you are using is of such poor quality NOTHING is discernable.

I have high quality enlargements of this area (if this is Moorman) which show

nothing similar to your image.

My sharp enlargement shows what is "possibly" (but not certainly) a man

wearing glasses who has just fired a pistol, and a white puff of smoke

obscures part of the tree trunk. If I could post images from this computer,

I would show you.

Jack

Jack,

Many thanks for this information & for your willingness to help out here.

Most lamentable that you have forum posting issues. What a loss! Wonder what can be

wrong? Are Robin, Chris, Lee, or Bernice aware of this problem? I ask them.

If you care to do so, I can try to PM you my e-mail address. Is your PM in-box full?

(It was a month or two ago, did you know?) Or you could PM me yours.

If you e-mail attach the images to me, I could post them to the forum via photobucket

which has limited resolution I believe. Failing putting them up on the forum, I would

certainly like to see them via my viewer & rendering programs. Can do?

I wonder if Bernie can assist?

Miles

My ten year old Macintosh is only OS9.2, and the new forum software will

only accept images from OSX...system ten. I am not about to spend

$2000 for a new computer just to be able to post images here.

I will send you the image in question by email. You may post it with my

permission.

Thanks.

Jack

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The image you are using is of such poor quality NOTHING is discernable.

I have high quality enlargements of this area (if this is Moorman) which show

nothing similar to your image.

My sharp enlargement shows what is "possibly" (but not certainly) a man

wearing glasses who has just fired a pistol, and a white puff of smoke

obscures part of the tree trunk. If I could post images from this computer,

I would show you.

Jack

Jack,

Many thanks for this information & for your willingness to help out here.

Most lamentable that you have forum posting issues. What a loss! Wonder what can be

wrong? Are Robin, Chris, Lee, or Bernice aware of this problem? I ask them.

If you care to do so, I can try to PM you my e-mail address. Is your PM in-box full?

(It was a month or two ago, did you know?) Or you could PM me yours.

If you e-mail attach the images to me, I could post them to the forum via photobucket

which has limited resolution I believe. Failing putting them up on the forum, I would

certainly like to see them via my viewer & rendering programs. Can do?

I wonder if Bernie can assist?

Miles

"Is your PM in-box full?"

I do not use the forum email, Miles. It is a waste of time for anyone to

send me stuff via it, because I NEVER LOOK AT IT. If anyone wants

to contact me, use my well known email address:

jwjfk@flash.net

Jack

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I will send you the image in question by email. You may post it with my

permission.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

:idea Extraordinary! In a nautical mood, salt seas & white whales breaching:

Thar she blows!!

white_moorfencepistolman.jpg

Very interesting, indeed. Now, to some analysis, of course. Will post same in due course. :)

To anticipate the inevitable "perspective" criticism & to preempt same, I'll ask you & EBC & Duncan

for opinions (on perspective & dimension) in time so you can address opinions directly back to me,

thus skirting obstacles & avoiding conflict.

I'll be glad to post any other images you care to post inter alia, as you like it.

Miles

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I will send you the image in question by email. You may post it with my

permission.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

:idea Extraordinary! In a nautical mood, salt seas & white whales breaching:

Thar she blows!!

white_moorfencepistolman.jpg

Very interesting, indeed. Now, to some analysis, of course. Will post same in due course. :)

To anticipate the inevitable "perspective" criticism & to preempt same, I'll ask you & EBC & Duncan

for opinions (on perspective & dimension) in time so you can address opinions directly back to me,

thus skirting obstacles & avoiding conflict.

I'll be glad to post any other images you care to post inter alia, as you like it.

Miles

I JUST POSTED A REPLY TO THIS AND IT DISAPPEARED WITHOUT REACHING THE FORUM;

TRYING AGAIN)

Thanks for posting the image, but you failed to post the text I requested you to post with it:

Miles...you may post this if you wish with the following text:

Miles: This is the image I mentioned. I made an 8x10 from a

tiny cropped area of a good Moorman negative, looking for a

shooter in the "acoustics area" found by the HSCA. I did this

in the 1980s, not recently. It shows what possibly could be

a man with a pistol in his hand, and a possible puff of

smoke obscuring part of the treetrunk. I do not advocate this

as a theory...I present it only as one of my studies from

over twenty years ago from a good Moorman negative. Thanks

for your assistance.

Jack

I will be glad to discuss the image on the forum, but not in

private emails.

Jack

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I will send you the image in question by email. You may post it with my

permission.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

:idea Extraordinary! In a nautical mood, salt seas & white whales breaching:

Thar she blows!!

white_moorfencepistolman.jpg

Very interesting, indeed. Now, to some analysis, of course. Will post same in due course. :)

To anticipate the inevitable "perspective" criticism & to preempt same, I'll ask you & EBC & Duncan

for opinions (on perspective & dimension) in time so you can address opinions directly back to me,

thus skirting obstacles & avoiding conflict.

I'll be glad to post any other images you care to post inter alia, as you like it.

Miles

I JUST POSTED A REPLY TO THIS AND IT DISAPPEARED WITHOUT REACHING THE FORUM;

TRYING AGAIN)

Thanks for posting the image, but you failed to post the text I requested you to post with it:

Miles...you may post this if you wish with the following text:

Miles: This is the image I mentioned. I made an 8x10 from a

tiny cropped area of a good Moorman negative, looking for a

shooter in the "acoustics area" found by the HSCA. I did this

in the 1980s, not recently. It shows what possibly could be

a man with a pistol in his hand, and a possible puff of

smoke obscuring part of the treetrunk. I do not advocate this

as a theory...I present it only as one of my studies from

over twenty years ago from a good Moorman negative. Thanks

for your assistance.

Jack

I will be glad to discuss the image on the forum, but not in

private emails.

Jack

Oops! Rushed here abouts this Holiday & overlooked the text above.

Thx for catching my error.

Guess I was mesmerized by your study! :D

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