There Was No Bullet Wound in John F. Kennedy's Throat

[Ashton Gray]

There is absolutely no doubt that the CIA's Paul Gaynor had Edwin Walker in Gaynor's infamous "fag file," and that at all relevant times Walker was completely under CIA control as a result....

Confusion is the CIA's No. 1 product. They ALWAYS play both sides of the game.

Ashton Gray

Well, Ashton, just because a person is gay -- as General Walker evidently was -- does not disqualify them from a JFK assassination plot.

Huh? Um, I think you might want to read what I wrote again. I just said that he was central to the plot. He cooperated with the plotters—the CIA. He participated with the plotters—the CIA. He lied for the plotters—the CIA. He knew in advance that a bullet was going to be fired into his house that night so that it could be collected into "evidence" (with the usual CIA-fingerprint clouded chain of custody). Walker was a marionette dancing at the end of CIA strings.

The reason the CIA arranged it with one of their blackmailed marionettes was so that bullet could be trotted out months later (with a lot more confusion and contradictions) as a way to tie Oswald and the "Oswald rifle" to the JFK assassination (with as much confusion and contradictions as possible).

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself.

That, by the way, can account for this:

The fibrous debris recovered from the bullet fragment of C.E. 567 was thus determined to consist of paper fibers and unidentified proteinaceous material of non-textile origin, and did not originate from the clothing of John F. Kennedy or John B. Connally.

Further Scientific Examination of JFK Assassination Evidence

Mary T. Baker, Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education

Margaret Ann T. Kelly, NARA Document Conservation Research and Testing Laboratory

December 14, 1999

As for the CIA -- I'm not trying to give them a pass -- but the evidence doesn't point toward them, IMHO.

I regret that they did not leave a trail of blood leading from Dallas to the front door of Langley for you to follow. I'm sure it was a bureaucratic oversight. Perhaps you should write a letter to your Congressman.

Ashton

[Robert Prudhomme]

There is absolutely no doubt that the CIA's Paul Gaynor had Edwin Walker in Gaynor's infamous "fag file," and that at all relevant times Walker was completely under CIA control as a result....

Confusion is the CIA's No. 1 product. They ALWAYS play both sides of the game.

Ashton Gray

Well, Ashton, just because a person is gay -- as General Walker evidently was -- does not disqualify them from a JFK assassination plot.

Huh? Um, I think you might want to read what I wrote again. I just said that he was central to the plot. He cooperated with the plotters—the CIA. He participated with the plotters—the CIA. He lied for the plotters—the CIA. He knew in advance that a bullet was going to be fired into his house that night so that it could be collected into "evidence" (with the usual CIA-fingerprint clouded chain of custody). Walker was a marionette dancing at the end of CIA strings.

The reason the CIA arranged it with one of their blackmailed marionettes was so that bullet could be trotted out months later (with a lot more confusion and contradictions) as a way to tie Oswald and the "Oswald rifle" to the JFK assassination (with as much confusion and contradictions as possible).

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself.

That, by the way, can account for this:

The fibrous debris recovered from the bullet fragment of C.E. 567 was thus determined to consist of paper fibers and unidentified proteinaceous material of non-textile origin, and did not originate from the clothing of John F. Kennedy or John B. Connally.

Further Scientific Examination of JFK Assassination Evidence

Mary T. Baker, Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education

Margaret Ann T. Kelly, NARA Document Conservation Research and Testing Laboratory

December 14, 1999

As for the CIA -- I'm not trying to give them a pass -- but the evidence doesn't point toward them, IMHO.

I regret that they did not leave a trail of blood leading from Dallas to the front door of Langley for you to follow. I'm sure it was a bureaucratic oversight. Perhaps you should write a letter to your Congressman.

Ashton

Ashton

Are you purposely ignoring the fact the Walker bullet was described by DPD detectives as being "steel jacketed", and that CE 573 was jacketed in a copper alloy? And that Walker himself hotly contested that CE 573 was not the bullet recovered from his home? Is this how one "cooperates" with plotters?

[Sandy Larsen]

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself.

Ashton,

Is there any testimony that the rifle disappeared and then reappeared?

The only things I've read regarding the rifle are that Oswald allegedly bought the rifle in March; that Marina allegedly took the backyard photos featuring the rifle; that Oswald allegedly told Marina that he'd shot at Walker and then buried the rifle; that Marina allegedly found the rifle wrapped in a blanket at the Paine residence; that Oswald allegedly smuggled the rifle into the TSBD; and, of course, that Oswald allegedly shot JFK with the rifle.

I have long thought that Marina's testimony regarding the rifle were all fabrications, and that there was never any rifle in Oswald's possession. That is the reason I'm asking you about the rifle supposedly being missing for several days. It could not have been missing for several days had it never existed among Oswald's belongings.

[Robert Prudhomme]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"LIPSEY: Yeah, well as far as the exact x-rays were taken, no I don’t recall. I do recall the comments from the doctors, you know, who started examining the body before they did anything, you know, looking at the body, looking at where the bullets had entered the back of the his head. It was obvious that one bullet entered the back of his head and exited on the right side of his face and pretty well blew away the right side of his head. And then the other two bullets had entered the lower part of his neck and the best of my knowledge, or the best of my memory, one had exited. The other bullet had entered from behind and hit his chest cavity and the bullet went down into the body. And during the autopsy, this is the only part that I can imagine would be of any--really, what I’ve told you right there, of strictly confidential nature that was never written up anywhere. And I presume, am I right, that this tape and this conversation is strictly confidential? You know, it’s not going to be published I guess is what I’m getting at?"

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/med_testimony/Lipsey_1-18-78/HSCA-Lipsey.htm

Edited September 19, 2016 by Robert Prudhomme

[Robert Prudhomme]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"Q: Okay, getting back to the bullets themselves, not the bullets themselves but the entrances, can you just go over again the entrances as you remember them?

LIPSEY: Alright, as I remember them there was one bullet that went in the back of the head that exited and blew away part of his face. And that was sort of high up, not high up but like this little crown on the back of your head right there, three or four inches above your neck. And then the other one entered at more of less the top of the neck, the other one entered more of less at the bottom of the neck."

http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm

[Robert Prudhomme]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"Q: Getting back to the entrances you just stated one exit you believed was on the right hand side of the head. Now what about the other entrances, what about the corresponding exits if there were any? Let's clarify that a little more. For starting, one…

LIPSEY: The bullet entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck. [long pause] To the best of my knowledge, came out the front of the neck. But the one that I remember they spent so much time on, obviously, was the one they found did not come out. There was a bullet -- that's my vivid recollection cause that's all they talked about. For about two hours all they talked about was finding that bullet. To the rest of my recollection they found some particles but they never found the bullet -- pieces of it, traces of it. The best of my knowledge, this is one thing I definitely remember they just never found that whole bullet."

http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm

[Robert Prudhomme]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"Q: To follow that up, as you should well know because I take it you do hunt a lot, locating wounds in hair is very difficult. The sighting. Did you visibly see the wounds in the back of the head, what you feel were the entrance wounds? Was based on what the doctors stated that we know their opinions…

[Lipsey is interrupting with "No…That's…No."]

LIPSEY: No. That’s...No. I hope I’m not contradicting myself. But at this point, there again, like I said, it's been a long time. I feel that there was no really entrance wound --maybe I said that --in the rear of his head. There was a point where they determined the bullet entered the back of his head but I believe all of that part of his head was blown. I mean I think it just physically blew away that part of his head. You know, just like a strip right across there or may have been just in that area -- just blew it out..

Q: So you say the damage caused by the entrance and the exit of the bullet to the head caused one large hole?

LIPSEY: To the best of my recollection, yes it did. But one, the other one went in the back of the neck. Like a say, I saw the blood spots and what have you, but they weren't tremendous, not a blow-a-way like this. But, of course, what little I know about it, which isn't a hell of a lot, your bone is right there, so when it hit it, the bullet probably expanded, hit something solid and ripped. But here, it went in to tissue before it hit anything."

http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm

[Sandy Larsen]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"Q: Getting back to the entrances you just stated one exit you believed was on the right hand side of the head. Now what about the other entrances, what about the corresponding exits if there were any? Let's clarify that a little more. For starting, one…

LIPSEY: The bullet entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck. [long pause] To the best of my knowledge, came out the front of the neck. But the one that I remember they spent so much time on, obviously, was the one they found did not come out. There was a bullet -- that's my vivid recollection cause that's all they talked about. For about two hours all they talked about was finding that bullet. To the rest of my recollection they found some particles but they never found the bullet -- pieces of it, traces of it. The best of my knowledge, this is one thing I definitely remember they just never found that whole bullet."

http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm

I must have read Lt. Lipsey's testimony BEFORE I read one of your sermons on frangible bullets. Had I read them in reverse order instead, I surely would have let out a big AH-HAH! upon reading this.

They DID find pieces of the bullet in the back. "Particles."

I've been entertaining for some time Cliff Varnell's blood-soluble bullet theory for the back wound. But now I'm having second thoughts. Again.

Robert, I remember watching videos of that bullet with lead shot in it and capped with some kind of plastic or something, colored red IIIRC. In particular I remember one time when shot into gelatin, most the pieces dispersed within 3 inches of the surface the was hit, But a few of the pieces went much further. One time they even exited the other end of the gelatin.

So I'm thinking -- and this was discussed in my other thread a month or two ago -- that the particles dispersed quickly upon hitting Kennedy's skin, and maybe some hit a rib and embedded themselves there or were deflected downward toward the feet. But maybe a few particle continued on through and punctured the lung. Maybe some even exited the chest, leaving tiny wounds that were not noticed.

But this is off-topic for this thread.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Sandy Larsen

[Robert Prudhomme]

From the HSCA interview of Lt. Richard Lipsey, January 18, 1978:

"Q: Getting back to the entrances you just stated one exit you believed was on the right hand side of the head. Now what about the other entrances, what about the corresponding exits if there were any? Let's clarify that a little more. For starting, one…

LIPSEY: The bullet entered lower part of the head or upper part of the neck. [long pause] To the best of my knowledge, came out the front of the neck. But the one that I remember they spent so much time on, obviously, was the one they found did not come out. There was a bullet -- that's my vivid recollection cause that's all they talked about. For about two hours all they talked about was finding that bullet. To the rest of my recollection they found some particles but they never found the bullet -- pieces of it, traces of it. The best of my knowledge, this is one thing I definitely remember they just never found that whole bullet."

http://www.history-m...HSCA-Lipsey.htm

I must have read Lt. Lipsey's testimony BEFORE I read one of your sermons on frangible bullets. Had I read them in reverse order instead, I surely would have let out a big AH-HAH! upon reading this.

They DID find pieces of the bullet in the back. "Particles."

I've been entertaining for some time Cliff Varnell's blood-soluble bullet theory for the back wound. But now I'm having second thoughts. Again.

Robert, I remember watching videos of that bullet with lead shot in it and capped with some kind of plastic or something, colored red IIIRC. In particular I remember one time when shot into gelatin, most the pieces dispersed within 3 inches of the surface the was hit, But a few of the pieces went much further. One time they even exited the other end of the gelatin.

So I'm thinking -- and this was discussed in my other thread a month or two ago -- that the particles dispersed quickly upon hitting Kennedy's skin, and maybe some hit a rib and embedded themselves there or were deflected downward toward the feet. But maybe a few particle continued on through and punctured the lung. Maybe some even exited the chest, leaving tiny wounds that were not noticed.

But this is off-topic for this thread.

LOL No more off topic than the last couple of pages of this thread.

This is one of the reasons I posted these excerpts from Lt. Lipsey's HSCA interview. I have a vague recollection this post was originally about the throat wound (or lack of a throat wound) and I thought you would be quite interested in Lt. Lipsey's observations about the autopsy teams' exploration of JFK's wounds. Do you not find the entry wound at the top of the neck, just below the skull, rather interesting?

Do you think we should begin a thread just to deal with Lt. Lipsey's autopsy observations?

P.S.

If a frangible bullet penetrated JFK's back 3 inches and dispersed, this bullet would be WAY into JFK's lung. Watch the video again. The wound track is visible in the gelatin, and the bullets stay intact for at least 2 inches of penetration, and the bullets do not break up on the surface upon impact.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Robert Prudhomme

[Paul Trejo]

...Huh? Um, I think you might want to read what I wrote again. I just said that he was central to the plot. He cooperated with the plotters—the CIA. He participated with the plotters—the CIA. He lied for the plotters—the CIA. He knew in advance that a bullet was going to be fired into his house that night so that it could be collected into "evidence" (with the usual CIA-fingerprint clouded chain of custody). Walker was a marionette dancing at the end of CIA strings.

The reason the CIA arranged it with one of their blackmailed marionettes was so that bullet could be trotted out months later (with a lot more confusion and contradictions) as a way to tie Oswald and the "Oswald rifle" to the JFK assassination (with as much confusion and contradictions as possible).

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself....

Ashton

Well, Ashton, we are miles apart in our theories about General Walker. Walker resigned from the US Army in 1961 because he was fed up with the US Government -- including the Pentagon and the CIA.

Actually, General Walker had resigned in 1959, forfeiting his pension after joining the John Birch Society, but Eisenhower ripped up that resignation and sent Walker to Augsburg, to command 10,000 troops there, instead. As soon as Walker landed, however, he came into immediate conflict with the Army newspaper, Overseas Weekly, which began to spy on Walker, to prepare a shocking story that Walker was gay.

Walker sued that newspaper in German Civil Court -- and won -- but the Overseas Weekly got their revenge on April 17, 1961, with a new headline and a full page of scandals about how General Walker was a John Bircher and that his Pro-Blue troop training program had hired Bircher speakers to address troop gatherings. This was a scandal worldwide, and the only reason it wasn't a bigger scandal was because the Bay of Pigs scandal was even bigger.

Naturally, the Pentagon didn't give a damn about the John Bircher connection. JFK himself had been a tacit supporter of Joe McCarthy. It wasn't part of the charges brought against Walker -- but the Pentagon removed Walker from his command past the very next day, because if you can't get along with the US Army newspaper during the Cold War, then you're an amateur.

JFK and the Pentagon offered Walker a comfy new job in Hawaii -- but Walker, enraged, submitted his resignation again, and forfeited his 30-year pension. His family wasn't rich. But Walker had friends in Dallas who encouraged him to become a public speaker for the Right-wing -- including H.L. Hunt in association with Robert Welch and segregationist Reverend Billy James Hargis. Walker moved into the neighborhood in Dallas where H.L. Hunt's relatives lived -- in Oak Lawn. Walker started a new career in public speaking, with a close eye on a political career. (He had successfully kept his gayness a secret for another decade).

Walker gave speeches to the same crowds in the South that George Wallace would address. Walker addressed the John Birch Society, but also the White Citizens Councils, the States Rights Parties, even the KKK. Walker ran for Texas Governor in 1962 on a segregationist ticket. He came in last place.

Walker had his own publishing company, mainly selling his speeches to true believers (with Robert Allen Surrey as his unsalaried publisher) -- the American Eagle Publishing Company in Dallas. In his writings to his "Friends of Walker" society (which included Kent and Phoebe Courtney and probably Guy Banister), the Ex-General Edwin Walker would lambast the US Government -- including the CIA.

So, no, Walker was not part of any CIA operation. Walker wanted nothing to do with a US Government that had subscribed to Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren's Brown Decision. Walker considered that Communism. Walker considered that the entire US Government -- including the White House, the State Department, the Pentagon and the CIA -- had all sold out to the Communists.

General Walker was clearly on the Radical Right -- farther to the Right than J. Edgar Hoover -- and farther to the Right than even the CIA. This memo summarizes Walker's attitude:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19660606_Walker_Joins_Nothing.JPG

Furthermore, I don't accept the theory of a "staged assassination" attempt on Walker. The guesswork involved is too twisty. On the contrary -- I say that the Walker shooting was REAL and that Walker snapped at that moment, and learned the next weekend that LHO was his shooter, and plotted then and there to get revenge on both JFK and LHO at the same time. Here's only one bit of evidence from a large body of writings:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19750623_EAW_to_Frank_Church.pdf

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited September 19, 2016 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself.

Ashton,

Is there any testimony that the rifle disappeared and then reappeared?

The only things I've read regarding the rifle are that Oswald allegedly bought the rifle in March; that Marina allegedly took the backyard photos featuring the rifle; that Oswald allegedly told Marina that he'd shot at Walker and then buried the rifle; that Marina allegedly found the rifle wrapped in a blanket at the Paine residence; that Oswald allegedly smuggled the rifle into the TSBD; and, of course, that Oswald allegedly shot JFK with the rifle.

I have long thought that Marina's testimony regarding the rifle were all fabrications, and that there was never any rifle in Oswald's possession. That is the reason I'm asking you about the rifle supposedly being missing for several days. It could not have been missing for several days had it never existed among Oswald's belongings.

Sandy, I would argue that LHO's rifle was not used in the Walker shooting -- but there were at least three people in two cars involved, with a different rifle. The connection of LHO isn't his rifle, but is rather the BYP and the Walker home photographs as well as Marina's WC testimony and the supporting testimony by three other WC witnesses to Marina's story.

But, right, we're way off-topic of this thread.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited September 19, 2016 by Paul Trejo

[Ashton Gray]

There is absolutely no doubt that the CIA's Paul Gaynor had Edwin Walker in Gaynor's infamous "fag file," and that at all relevant times Walker was completely under CIA control as a result....

Confusion is the CIA's No. 1 product. They ALWAYS play both sides of the game.

Ashton Gray

Well, Ashton, just because a person is gay -- as General Walker evidently was -- does not disqualify them from a JFK assassination plot.

Huh? Um, I think you might want to read what I wrote again. I just said that he was central to the plot. He cooperated with the plotters—the CIA. He participated with the plotters—the CIA. He lied for the plotters—the CIA. He knew in advance that a bullet was going to be fired into his house that night so that it could be collected into "evidence" (with the usual CIA-fingerprint clouded chain of custody). Walker was a marionette dancing at the end of CIA strings.

The reason the CIA arranged it with one of their blackmailed marionettes was so that bullet could be trotted out months later (with a lot more confusion and contradictions) as a way to tie Oswald and the "Oswald rifle" to the JFK assassination (with as much confusion and contradictions as possible).

During the same time frame as the phony, staged "attempted assassination" on Walker, the rifle was missing for several days, during which time— it is my contention—bullets were fired from it into a variety of materials and recovered that later "turned up" in the JFK case—either at Parkland, or in the limo, or as a switcheroo even for the Walker bullet itself.

That, by the way, can account for this:

The fibrous debris recovered from the bullet fragment of C.E. 567 was thus determined to consist of paper fibers and unidentified proteinaceous material of non-textile origin, and did not originate from the clothing of John F. Kennedy or John B. Connally.

Further Scientific Examination of JFK Assassination Evidence

Mary T. Baker, Smithsonian Center for Materials Research and Education

Margaret Ann T. Kelly, NARA Document Conservation Research and Testing Laboratory

December 14, 1999

As for the CIA -- I'm not trying to give them a pass -- but the evidence doesn't point toward them, IMHO.

I regret that they did not leave a trail of blood leading from Dallas to the front door of Langley for you to follow. I'm sure it was a bureaucratic oversight. Perhaps you should write a letter to your Congressman.

Ashton

Ashton

Are you purposely ignoring the fact the Walker bullet was described by DPD detectives as being "steel jacketed", and that CE 573 was jacketed in a copper alloy? And that Walker himself hotly contested that CE 573 was not the bullet recovered from his home? Is this how one "cooperates" with plotters?

"Ignoring" it? Ha! I revel in it! I celebrate it! We already have CIA fingerprints all over this phony Walker "attempted assassination," but THIS! This is CIA DNA! This is unmistakable!

This is complete proof of the Charles and Earle Cabell cabal planting "evidence" and then using even the planted "evidence" to sow the seeds of endless confusion and contradiction controversy! The contradictions about the jacketing of the bullet is absolutely inarguable proof that at all relevant times Walker was in on it, a water carrier for CIA to create as much confusion as possible. This is the exact same modus operandi that the CIA later used with their MK-ULTRA-blessed psychiatrist, Lewis Fielding, to set up a PHONY "break-in" (that never happened) at his office months before the other phony "first break-in" (that never happened) at DNC headquarters, only to be followed by a real "break-in" for no other purpose than to have the perps arrested. It all is the CIA's unmistakable, inarguable DNA that always includes "twosies" to confound and confuse. I've explained all of that thoroughly in "The Fielding Farce." http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=23067

This "twosie" of the Walker "attempted assassination," followed months later by the JFK assassination, including having Connally shot, with even more "twosies" sown all over the bullets and fragments "evidence" in both, is ABSOLUTE INARGUABLE PROOF that the CIA—and nobody but the CIA—planned and carried out the entire operation, planned far, far in advance.

Of COURSE Walker would throw as much confusion as possible into the "evidence"! Of COURSE Walker would have had a "front" for CIA infiltration of the far right. THE CIA ALWAYS PLAYS BOTH SIDES OF THE GAME! What do you think Caddy's role was in and leading up to Watergate? (It appears that the current management here perhaps has quietly deleted a longish excerpt from the first chapter of Watergate: The Hoax that had been posted in the Watergate forum addressing that question. Perhaps one of them will weigh in here to say whether stealth censorship has taken place.)

It seems to me, Robert, that you are having some kind of difficulty with this: Confusion is the CIA's No. 1 product.

Ashton

Edited September 19, 2016 by Ashton Gray

[Paul Trejo]

Ashton, the problem with any CIA-did-it CT is the massive speculation. To say that all the confusion *proves* that it was a CIA plot is only admission of a confused CT. It's been over 50 years, and the CIA-did-it theories still fail to grip the road.

It reminds me of one of the recent LBJ-did-it theories -- that the very ignorance of LBJ about the details of the JFK assassination is *proof* that LBJ was the mastermind.

It uses the NEGATIVE in order to prove the CT. And that's just not strong enough, IMHO.

On the other hand, the empirical evidence of the Walker-did-it theory is growing and growing. Jeff Caufield's 2015 is the best so far, but even Caufield has errors -- for example, Caufield agrees with you about this "staged assassination attempt on Walker".

No, no, no. That's guesswork. We're on terra firma when we continue to explore the BYP -- they are the key to the Walker shooting -- and the Walker shooting is the key to the JFK assassination, IMHO.

Here's how: General Walker decided to get revenge on both JFK and LHO at the same time.

I'll grant you that there was no provable bullet wound in JFK's throat. But that error was only a logical reaction to the SBT, which we both deplore. Yet it's a wide stretch from that point to question the validity of the BYP.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited September 19, 2016 by Paul Trejo

[Cliff Varnell]

Let's establish the timing of the back shot.

From Secret Service SA Glenn Bennett's contemporaneous notes written on AFI on the flight back to DC.:

<quote on>

...The Presidents auto moved down a slight grade and the crowd was very sparse.

At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded of a firecracker. Immediately

upon hearing the so called firecracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I

saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second

shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head.

<quote off>

He provided more detail the next day in his official report.

http://www.jfk-online.com/bennett.html

<quote on>

About thirty minutes after leaving Love Field about 12:25 P.M., the Motorcade entered an intersection and then proceeded down a grade. At this point the well-wishers numbered but a few; the motorcade continued down this grade enroute to the Trade Mart. At this point I heard what sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head.

<quote off>

According to Bennett, he was looking to the right when he heard the first report.

Bennett appears on the far right of the frame in Willis 5 (Z202) seated, turned to the right.

According to his statement he turned to look at "the Boss."

Altgens 6 (Z255) shows Bennett turning forward with blurred features.

According to Bennet he saw "the Boss" get hit "about 4 inches down from the right shoulder."

The bullet holes in JFK's clothes are 4 inches below the bottoms of the collars.

According to Bennett's well-corroborated account JFK was shot after Z255 but noticeably before the head shot/s.

Z300 shows 2 guys who've just been shot in the back.

Connally reacts as one would expect -- head back, mouth open.

JFK doesn't react to the shot at all, maintaining the same frozen posture with head down and hands in front of his throat.

Helps corroborate the Prosectors' Scenario: Kennedy was hit in the throat with a round which didn't show up in the autopsy -- and left him paralyzed.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Cliff Varnell

[Ashton Gray]

"5. Anybody who believes there was any kind of conspiracy involved in the murder, but believes that the conspirators HAD NOT arranged any kind of control at Parkland for the aftermath, is every bit as fall-down funny to me. In fact, having plants at Parkland was absolutely primary to any HOPE of success in pinning it all on Oswald, precisely BECAUSE of the inescapable requirement of being able to CONTROL the bullet/fragments issue and plant false "evidence." (This is another giant unmistakable fingerprint of CIA, and it isprecisely the modus operandi they used in Watergate.)"

It certainly could not have been any of the doctors at Parkland who were part of this plot.

Robert, sometimes posts here make me smile, and sometimes even make me chuckle, but few are able to make me guffaw—so congratulations on this one.

Here, after a wonderful laugh, are a few actual facts:

1. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was at Parkland Hospital, by his own admission, within as little as three minutes of the arrival of JFK at Parkland hospital.
2. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was already in the small Trauma Room 1 on Dr. Carrico's arrival in the room from across the hall, where Carrico had been tending to John Connally, as Dr. Carrico has testified: "Admiral Burkley, I believe was his name, the President's personal physician, was there as soon as he [JFK] got to the hospital."
3. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY, while in Trauma Room 1, personally "checked the President's physical condition," "viewed the President" at the "head of the table," and "saw President Kennedy's wounds at Parkland Hospital."
4. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY personally supplied John F. Kennedy's blood type, which happened very early on, before Nurse Henchliffe left Trauma Room 1 to go get the necessary blood, which she says was within about two minutes of JFK's actual arrival inside Trauma Room 1.
5. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY then was in Trauma Room 1 with Nurse Diana Bowron, who is documented as having lied about the throat wound.
6. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 with Nurse Diana Bowron and Dr. Carrico when Kennedy's clothing was initially partially removed, including his tie, and the opening of his shirt by Dr. Carrico—at which time Carrico first observed the throat wound.
7. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 when the cutdowns were done to start administering fluids to JFK. Jaqueline Kennedy was still outside Trauma Room 1 on a folding metal chair. Some hospital personnel felt she even was being neglected and arranged for some water for her, and asked if she would like to remove her bloodstained gloves, which she would not do.
8. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1, within arms' reach, when Malcom Perry came in and had the conversation with Dr. Carrico about the throat wound, then started the tracheotomy.
9. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 when steroids were administered to John F. Kennedy, and in fact ordered the administration of the steroids himself, and in fact supplied the steroids to be used: SolU Cortef (spelled in evidence as Sol U Cortef). The assertion that Carrico administered steroids on his own is yet another willful and malicious falsehood designed to deceive. The source in testimony of that falsehood is Malcolm Perry himself—entered into the record under the guiding questioning of John J. McCloy himself—and the motive for the lie was to cover up the presence and activities of George Gregory Burkley inside Trauma Room 1.
10. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY personally went into the corridor and brought Jacqueline Kennedy into Trauma Room 1 only after the tracheotomy incision had been made—when he was damned good and ready for her to be there.
11. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY had become John F. Kennedy's personal physician only about four months earlier, in July 1963.
12. DIANA BOWRON had arrived from England at Parkland hospital on 4 August 1963—less than a month after Burkley had been announced as Kennedy's personal physician.
13. MALCOLM PERRY had returned to Parkland Hospital, after a year away in San Francisco, on or around 1 September 1963—about a month after Bowron's arrival at Parkland.
14. DIANA BOWRON lied about the throat wound.
15. MALCOLM PERRY made the incision that destroyed any chance of competent forensic analysis of the throat wound.
16. DR. ROBERT MCCLELLAND testified that Perry's incistion "obliterated it [the throat wound]."
17. DR. JAMES JOSEPH HUMES, who performed the autopsy, had no idea when he did that there had been a throat wound. The next morning he called Perry, who said, "Oh, yeah, there was a wound right in the middle of the neck by the tie, and we used that for the tracheotomy." Humes said of what Perry had done to the wound, "Well, they obliterated, literally obliterated—" And: "There was a big gaping tracheotomy wound in the anterior neck [throat]. I learned later that there had been a gunshot [sic] wound in that location, but I didn't know it. That was 99 percent of my problem."
18. MALCOLM PERRY is the first person who told the entire world, during the press conference at Parkland, the lie that JFK had been shot in the throat from the front, which is patently impossible by all laws of physics.
19. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY reportedly went up, at some point, to the operating room where Connally was being worked on, and then told Secret Service agent Kellerman that Connally "still has the bullet in him." [bullet—not "fragment."]
20. According to Connally himself, there was such a bullet—but it fell from his thigh to the floor when the medical personnel rolled him "off the stretcher and onto the examining table." That HAD to have been in the trauma room where he originally was seen by Carrico et al., not the operating room upstairs. According to Connally, a "nurse picked it [the bullet] up and slipped it into her pocket." No one has identified this nurse.
21. MALCOLM PERRY claimed in Warren Commission testimony that "a bullet was not removed from Governor Connally's leg."
22. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY oversaw every aspect of the autopsy, and allowed it to be completed with NO IDENTIFICATION OR EVEN MENTION OF ANY THROAT WOUND. Humes had to change his autopsy findings AFTER talking to Perry the following morning, and getting Perry to admit that there had been a hole in JFK's throat, exactly where Perry had sliced for the tracheostomy, which had OBLITERATED the throat wound for any forensic purposes, including autopsy.

Ashton Gray

Edited September 19, 2016 by Ashton Gray