But the Mob Would Never Whack a Politician or Prosecutor

[Pat Speer]

Good catch. Ironically, Gus Russo believes the mob faked an assassination attempt on Roosevelt in order to kill Cermak!

I think the FDR hit story was made up after the Cermak hit, not before. There is strong evidence to suggest the Outfit did assasinate Cermak. Remember that Cermak had previously sent his own hit men (cops) who tried to kill Frank Nitti.

Norman, I share your suspicion about Cermak. I was trying to point out the irony to Tim, since he's a fan of Russo's. Russo believes that Oswald killed JFK for Fidel, but that Jack Ruby's childhood friend Dave Yaras organized a mock assassination on FDR, in order to kill Cermak for the mob. Sounds a little inconsistent to me.

[Kathleen Collins]

The argument has been made from time to time that the mob does not kill politicians, prosecutors or policemen. But the NY families came closely to ordering a hit on Rudy Guliani when he was a U.S. attorney fighting the mon, per recently released FBI records:

From New York Post October 25, 2007:

5 MAFIA BOSSES ALMOST SANCTIONED HIT

By MURRAY WEISS, PATRICK GALLAHUE and ALEX GINSBERG

The bosses of New York's five Mafia families in the mid-1980s came a hair-trigger away from sanctioning a hit on then-federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani, according to bombshell FBI records made public yesterday.

The mob bosses decided by a 3-to-2 margin not to try to whack the future mayor and presidential candidate. But before cooler heads prevailed, at least two of the dons argued fervently that the mob-busting U.S. attorney should sleep with the fishes.

Bonanno boss Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, Genovese chief Vincent "The Chin" Gigante and Luchese honcho Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo all cast votes to spare the headline-grabbing prosecutor, the documents show.

But the young guns of the bunch, Gambino boss John "The Teflon Don" Gotti and Colombo chief Carmine "The Snake" Persico, were said to lobby in favor of the murder.

The news surfaced on day six of the blockbuster trial of former FBI supervisor Lindley DeVecchio, who faces life in prison for allegedly orchestrating four gangland rubouts by leaking inside information to his own informant, Colombo soldier Gregory "The Grim Reaper" Scarpa.

DeVecchio's lawyers entered into evidence Scarpa's 600-page informant file, compiled of tips, reports and suggestions received between 1980 and 1992, none more compelling than the note detailing the Giuliani discussions.

"On Sept. 17, 1987, sources advised that recent information disclosed that approximately a year ago all five NY LCN [La Cosa Nostra] families discussed the idea of killing USA [united States Attorney] Rudy Giuliani and John Gotti and Carmine Persico were in favor of the hit," the Scarpa memo reads.

I fail to see how this is on the topic of the JFK Assassination. Tickets, tickets.

If it wasn't for Jack Ruby, no one would have seriously believed that the Mob killed Kennedy. But I think they supplied some shooters and out of desperation got Ruby to kill Oswald. I don't think the Mob wanted any publicity and wouldn't have gotten any except for Ruby. And then talk show host and columnist Irv Kupcinet tracked down Paul "Red" Dorfman in Palm Springs (where his daughter was) after Ruby shot Oswald. Dorfman, more powerful than people thought, may have ordered a hit on Kupcinet's daughter. And this served as a shock to people in Chicago and got their minds off the Assassination.

Kathy

[Charles Drago]

If it wasn't for Jack Ruby, no one would have seriously believed that the Mob killed Kennedy. Kathy

Precisely.

[Tim Gratz]

Charles wrote:

There is no reputable evidence to suggest that the "N.Y. mob" contemplated killing Giuliani.

Unbelieveable! I assume he has yet to read the FBI reports upon which the story was based yet he can make such an assertion. Hoe can he claim "no reputable evidence exists" without reviewing the "evidence" upomn which the FBI reports were based?

Kathleen wrote:

If it wasn't for Jack Ruby, no one would have seriously believed that the Mob killed Kennedy

But of course JR did silence Oswald and JR was connected to the Mob. Provided JR was not a "nut" (VB's theory) and if his act was done to silence Oswald, then Mob involvement in the assassination is self-evident.

[Charles Drago]

You just don't get it.

I wrote, "There is no reputable evidence to suggest that the 'N.Y. mob' contemplated killing Giuliani" precisely because all we have is the word of the F.B.I.

And that, dear dirty trickster, is the living definition of disreputable.

But you'd know that, wouldn't you?

[John Bevilaqua]

The argument has been made from time to time that the mob does not kill politicians, prosecutors or policemen. But the NY families came closely to ordering a hit on Rudy Guliani when he was a U.S. attorney fighting the mon, per recently released FBI records:

From New York Post October 25, 2007:

5 MAFIA BOSSES ALMOST SANCTIONED HIT

By MURRAY WEISS, PATRICK GALLAHUE and ALEX GINSBERG

The bosses of New York's five Mafia families in the mid-1980s came a hair-trigger away from sanctioning a hit on then-federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani, according to bombshell FBI records made public yesterday.

The mob bosses decided by a 3-to-2 margin not to try to whack the future mayor and presidential candidate. But before cooler heads prevailed, at least two of the dons argued fervently that the mob-busting U.S. attorney should sleep with the fishes.

Bonanno boss Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, Genovese chief Vincent "The Chin" Gigante and Luchese honcho Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo all cast votes to spare the headline-grabbing prosecutor, the documents show.

But the young guns of the bunch, Gambino boss John "The Teflon Don" Gotti and Colombo chief Carmine "The Snake" Persico, were said to lobby in favor of the murder.

The news surfaced on day six of the blockbuster trial of former FBI supervisor Lindley DeVecchio, who faces life in prison for allegedly orchestrating four gangland rubouts by leaking inside information to his own informant, Colombo soldier Gregory "The Grim Reaper" Scarpa.

DeVecchio's lawyers entered into evidence Scarpa's 600-page informant file, compiled of tips, reports and suggestions received between 1980 and 1992, none more compelling than the note detailing the Giuliani discussions.

"On Sept. 17, 1987, sources advised that recent information disclosed that approximately a year ago all five NY LCN [La Cosa Nostra] families discussed the idea of killing USA [united States Attorney] Rudy Giuliani and John Gotti and Carmine Persico were in favor of the hit," the Scarpa memo reads.

I fail to see how this is on the topic of the JFK Assassination. Tickets, tickets.

If it wasn't for Jack Ruby, no one would have seriously believed that the Mob killed Kennedy. But I think they supplied some shooters and out of desperation got Ruby to kill Oswald. I don't think the Mob wanted any publicity and wouldn't have gotten any except for Ruby. And then talk show host and columnist Irv Kupcinet tracked down Paul "Red" Dorfman in Palm Springs (where his daughter was) after Ruby shot Oswald. Dorfman, more powerful than people thought, may have ordered a hit on Kupcinet's daughter. And this served as a shock to people in Chicago and got their minds off the Assassination.

Kathy

My God, I think you solved it. Call a press conference. Write a book. You will soon

have "celebrity statics" and join "Chatty Kathy" in the all star JFK researchers hall of shame.

Nice work.

[Kathleen Collins]

The argument has been made from time to time that the mob does not kill politicians, prosecutors or policemen. But the NY families came closely to ordering a hit on Rudy Guliani when he was a U.S. attorney fighting the mon, per recently released FBI records:

From New York Post October 25, 2007:

5 MAFIA BOSSES ALMOST SANCTIONED HIT

By MURRAY WEISS, PATRICK GALLAHUE and ALEX GINSBERG

The bosses of New York's five Mafia families in the mid-1980s came a hair-trigger away from sanctioning a hit on then-federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani, according to bombshell FBI records made public yesterday.

The mob bosses decided by a 3-to-2 margin not to try to whack the future mayor and presidential candidate. But before cooler heads prevailed, at least two of the dons argued fervently that the mob-busting U.S. attorney should sleep with the fishes.

Bonanno boss Philip "Rusty" Rastelli, Genovese chief Vincent "The Chin" Gigante and Luchese honcho Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo all cast votes to spare the headline-grabbing prosecutor, the documents show.

But the young guns of the bunch, Gambino boss John "The Teflon Don" Gotti and Colombo chief Carmine "The Snake" Persico, were said to lobby in favor of the murder.

The news surfaced on day six of the blockbuster trial of former FBI supervisor Lindley DeVecchio, who faces life in prison for allegedly orchestrating four gangland rubouts by leaking inside information to his own informant, Colombo soldier Gregory "The Grim Reaper" Scarpa.

DeVecchio's lawyers entered into evidence Scarpa's 600-page informant file, compiled of tips, reports and suggestions received between 1980 and 1992, none more compelling than the note detailing the Giuliani discussions.

"On Sept. 17, 1987, sources advised that recent information disclosed that approximately a year ago all five NY LCN [La Cosa Nostra] families discussed the idea of killing USA [united States Attorney] Rudy Giuliani and John Gotti and Carmine Persico were in favor of the hit," the Scarpa memo reads.

I fail to see how this is on the topic of the JFK Assassination. Tickets, tickets.

If it wasn't for Jack Ruby, no one would have seriously believed that the Mob killed Kennedy. But I think they supplied some shooters and out of desperation got Ruby to kill Oswald. I don't think the Mob wanted any publicity and wouldn't have gotten any except for Ruby. And then talk show host and columnist Irv Kupcinet tracked down Paul "Red" Dorfman in Palm Springs (where his daughter was) after Ruby shot Oswald. Dorfman, more powerful than people thought, may have ordered a hit on Kupcinet's daughter. And this served as a shock to people in Chicago and got their minds off the Assassination.

Kathy

My God, I think you solved it. Call a press conference. Write a book. You will soon

have "celebrity statics" and join "Chatty Kathy" in the all star JFK researchers hall of shame.

Nice work.

Thank you. I serve only to please.

Kathy (Forum Gossip Dept.)

[Tim Gratz]

The only thing reassuring about this is the knowledge that the five familes operate democratically and each family gets one vote on whether or not to murder someone. (A "democratic murder!'.) Query whether the families vote to approve or disapprove every Mob hit? Somehow I doubt it.

Edited October 29, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[Norman T. Field]

Good catch. Ironically, Gus Russo believes the mob faked an assassination attempt on Roosevelt in order to kill Cermak!

I think the FDR hit story was made up after the Cermak hit, not before. There is strong evidence to suggest the Outfit did assasinate Cermak. Remember that Cermak had previously sent his own hit men (cops) who tried to kill Frank Nitti.

Norman, I share your suspicion about Cermak. I was trying to point out the irony to Tim, since he's a fan of Russo's. Russo believes that Oswald killed JFK for Fidel, but that Jack Ruby's childhood friend Dave Yaras organized a mock assassination on FDR, in order to kill Cermak for the mob. Sounds a little inconsistent to me.

Realize that Cermak lived for several weeks after being shot, although I think he knew he was terminal. The story is that he was on the phone with FDR numerous times negotiating various 'gifts' in return for statements Cermak would make. Such as his alleged last words, "I just glad it was me instead of the president". I think the FDR hit story is one of these concoctions.

An old Hollywood saying, "you can't wrestle with a skunk and smell like a rose", which is why I ignore the bloviations emanating from Key West.