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And was "Hidell" simply the means to "hide" both "l's"? Both Lees?

ATTACHMNET D

Teletype message, OUT No. 87520, 6 December, 1963

filed at 1829 hours, to the White House, the Department of State and the Federal Bureau of Investigation with copy to the Secret Service.

SUBJECT: Lee Harvey Oswald

Reference is made to our OUT telegram No. 36702 of 4 December 1963 which gave information on the travel of

Marina Oswald (and also presumably Lee Harvey OSWALD and their daughter) across West Germany on their

return from the Soviet Union.

Information now available from Dutch authorities seems to confirm this. On 3 June 1962 one M. Oswald,

listed as a male Russian citizen entered The Netherlands by train at the Oldenzaal border point.

Comment: It is believed that the listing of this person as a male instead of female was just an error

of the border officials. Note that Oldenzaal is opposite Bentheim, the German border points where Marina

Oswald left Germany.

ATT 2 to XAAZ-22601

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1

http://oswaldinholland.web-log.nl/

Also see website Oswald in Holland, apparently Perry Vermeulen has a book that has been published

new website below

http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/

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Oswald in Holland, and on the Orient Express, by

Perry Vermeulen:

http://oswaldinholland.web-log.nl/

Thanks to Robert Howard for calling attention to this site.

BK

The passenger list made its first appearance on the internet in 2006 on my website. After publishing the Oswald page of the list on my website, I had

several online discussions with Perry. Shortly after publishing the list, Mark Bridger also tried to contact me

The "Oswald" page of the passenger list first appeared in May 2006. Here is the URL:

http://www.toronto.hm/oswald_on_ss_maasdam.html

Here is a link to a 2006 thread on alt.assassination.jfk discussing this list:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...4f013ebf51a4e45

The entire list was discussed here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...32edf413aa74bf7

Here is a photo of the SS Maasdam's final resting place after several name changes.

http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdamend.html

A thread with Perry on alt.assassination.jfk from July 2006:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...245488f1e9d3178

Regards,

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

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"On 3 June 1962 one M. Oswald, listed as a male Russian citizen entered The Netherlands by train at the Oldenzaal border point.

Comment: It is believed that the listing of this person as a male instead of female was just an error of the border officials. Note that Oldenzaal is opposite Bentheim, the German border points where Marina Oswald left Germany."

Comment: is it possible that Mister in Dutch being : Mijnheer, Meneer, or Man zonder titel, that M. is a simple shortening of the Dutch ''Mister''?

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In Dutch, which I read, but few will....but you can likely make-out if your try are the main documents used in the new bookhere. (click on pdf symbols on right).

Some interesting documents there. One written by 'Lee' to the Embassy says (wink, wink, nod, nod ), I have no intention of abusing my position here [in Minsk], and I'm sure you would not want me to. [!!!] Another interesting document on suggestion of alternate exit points listed on Lee's exit visa by Embassy!

Fascinating. WH18 CE 940 ....

http://www.perryvermeulen.nl/pdf-bestanden/WH18_CE_940.pdf

Has Oswald's letter been corrected for spelling errors, or did Oswald have a rare moment of spelling excellence?

Nary a mistake to be found!

Regards,

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

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In Dutch, which I read, but few will....but you can likely make-out if your try are the main documents used in the new bookhere. (click on pdf symbols on right).

Some interesting documents there. One written by 'Lee' to the Embassy says (wink, wink, nod, nod ), I have no intention of abusing my position here [in Minsk], and I'm sure you would not want me to. [!!!] Another interesting document on suggestion of alternate exit points listed on Lee's exit visa by Embassy!

Fascinating. WH18 CE 940 ....

http://www.perryvermeulen.nl/pdf-bestanden/WH18_CE_940.pdf

Has Oswald's letter been corrected for spelling errors, or did Oswald have a rare moment of spelling excellence?

Nary a mistake to be found!

Regards,

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

Peter, thanks for going to the trouble, obviously your post of the pdf's is of great importance to anyone who has an interest, I would be a lot more interested if the Forum had a resident translator, although Steve Thomas recently provided a google translation link. Thanks on behalf of the Forum.

BTW; The smart money regarding documents regarding Lee Oswald in that same time frame as the earlier document I posted would be in the, whats now encyclopedia sized Lee Oswald 201 file.

The link is on maryferrell.org

ps Have you ever read the Spanish only [as far as I know] copy of the Zeiger's interview in Ambito Financiero by Ignacio Zuleta? John Armstrong seems to have brought it to other researchers attention.

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In Dutch, which I read, but few will....but you can likely make-out if your try are the main documents used in the new bookhere. (click on pdf symbols on right).

Some interesting documents there. One written by 'Lee' to the Embassy says (wink, wink, nod, nod ), I have no intention of abusing my position here [in Minsk], and I'm sure you would not want me to. [!!!] Another interesting document on suggestion of alternate exit points listed on Lee's exit visa by Embassy!

Fascinating. WH18 CE 940 ....

http://www.perryvermeulen.nl/pdf-bestanden/WH18_CE_940.pdf

Has Oswald's letter been corrected for spelling errors, or did Oswald have a rare moment of spelling excellence?

Nary a mistake to be found!

Regards,

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

Peter, thanks for going to the trouble, obviously your post of the pdf's is of great importance to anyone who has an interest, I would be a lot more interested if the Forum had a resident translator, although Steve Thomas recently provided a google translation link. Thanks on behalf of the Forum.

BTW; The smart money regarding documents regarding Lee Oswald in that same time frame as the earlier document I posted would be in the, whats now encyclopedia sized Lee Oswald 201 file.

The link is on maryferrell.org

ps Have you ever read the Spanish only [as far as I know] copy of the Zeiger's interview in Ambito Financiero by Ignacio Zuleta? John Armstrong seems to have brought it to other researchers attention.

The book by Perry is interesting. I gives first of all an overview of the presidency of Kennedy and of the assassination. After that Perry goes into detail on the visit the Oswalds paid to The Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland) on their way back from Russia. In Oswald's address book is an entry for a place where they probably spent the night in Rotterdam.

As you might have noticed: I was born and raised in The Netherlands, and Dutch is my native language. So if needed, i can provide some translations.

Does anyone have more information about the stay of Oswald in The Netherlands?

I will re-read Perry's book and post an outline of the most interesting conclusions here.

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In Dutch, which I read, but few will....but you can likely make-out if your try are the main documents used in the new bookhere. (click on pdf symbols on right).

Some interesting documents there. One written by 'Lee' to the Embassy says (wink, wink, nod, nod ), I have no intention of abusing my position here [in Minsk], and I'm sure you would not want me to. [!!!] Another interesting document on suggestion of alternate exit points listed on Lee's exit visa by Embassy!

Fascinating. WH18 CE 940 ....

http://www.perryverm...WH18_CE_940.pdf

Has Oswald's letter been corrected for spelling errors, or did Oswald have a rare moment of spelling excellence?

Nary a mistake to be found!

Regards,

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

Peter, thanks for going to the trouble, obviously your post of the pdf's is of great importance to anyone who has an interest, I would be a lot more interested if the Forum had a resident translator, although Steve Thomas recently provided a google translation link. Thanks on behalf of the Forum.

BTW; The smart money regarding documents regarding Lee Oswald in that same time frame as the earlier document I posted would be in the, whats now encyclopedia sized Lee Oswald 201 file.

The link is on maryferrell.org

ps Have you ever read the Spanish only [as far as I know] copy of the Zeiger's interview in Ambito Financiero by Ignacio Zuleta? John Armstrong seems to have brought it to other researchers attention.

The book by Perry is interesting. I gives first of all an overview of the presidency of Kennedy and of the assassination. After that Perry goes into detail on the visit the Oswalds paid to The Netherlands (a.k.a. Holland) on their way back from Russia. In Oswald's address book is an entry for a place where they probably spent the night in Rotterdam.

As you might have noticed: I was born and raised in The Netherlands, and Dutch is my native language. So if needed, i can provide some translations.

Does anyone have more information about the stay of Oswald in The Netherlands?

I will re-read Perry's book and post an outline of the most interesting conclusions here.

http://www.leeharveyoswald.nl/?page_id=15

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Oswald in Holland, and on the Orient Express, by

Perry Vermeulen:

http://oswaldinholland.web-log.nl/

Thanks to Robert Howard for calling attention to this site.

BK

Years ago I was politely asking this guy, "Perry Vermeulen", for a copy of the ship log/passenger manifest of the Maasdam showing Oswald. He shined me on for weeks. He repeatedly said he would email me a copy. He continued making excuses why he couldn't like he was on a trip, must be a long trip as I'm still waiting to see it.

Now I was not asking for it to see Oswald's name, I was looking for other names. Whom else was aboard, etc. I notice he uses crops of the pages with LHO and his ship cabin neighbor. Never going to get him to share it...Does anyone have a Maasdam passenger manifest besides this dead end?

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Ed,

I will have a look at the city archives in Rotterdam to see if this passengerlist will be available there.

If so, I will try to make photocopies of that and scan them.

I also just sent an email to the webmaster of a site dedicated to the HAL.

So two possibilities. I will keep you updated.

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Thanks Hugo!

I have way more faith in you than Perry.

Yeah Steve he seemed very nice, but so is a skunk...till you realize something smells(In Denmark~Shakespeare)

Ed

I did a little bit of digging, and although as a researcher I do not particularly trust him or agree with his conclusions, Edward J Epstein asserts in the article

[see link] that he located the passenger manifest of the SS Maasdam, also see Pieter Didenko, ostensible Russian-speaking steward of the Maasdam, and also maintains

the SS Maasdam employment history was destroyed.

http://www.maryferre...082&relPageId=4

The ship passenger manifest would have approximately 1,400 names if Edward J Epstein is correct, although his citation re Didenko is attributed to Priscilla McMillan, another "researcher" whom I believe echoes the party line, and I don't mean the Commies...lol

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Thanks Hugo!

I have way more faith in you than Perry.

Yeah Steve he seemed very nice, but so is a skunk...till you realize something smells(In Denmark~Shakespeare)

Ed

I did a little bit of digging, and although as a researcher I do not particularly trust him or agree with his conclusions, Edward J Epstein asserts in the article

[see link] that he located the passenger manifest of the SS Maasdam, also see Pieter Didenko, ostensible Russian-speaking steward of the Maasdam, and also maintains

the SS Maasdam employment history was destroyed.

http://www.maryferre...082&relPageId=4

The ship passenger manifest would have approximately 1,400 names if Edward J Epstein is correct, although his citation re Didenko is attributed to Priscilla McMillan, another "researcher" whom I believe echoes the party line, and I don't mean the Commies...lol

Thanks Ed for the friendly words! I will do my best.

And Robert: thanks for the interesting find. I did some more searches at MFF and found a very interesting article: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=90661&relPageId=27

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